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Help me pick out a new graphics card

InfusedEMPInfusedEMP Member UncommonPosts: 43
My graphics card just died so I need to buy a new one.  I've been using this card since 2012:

This is my motherboard:

This is my case:

I figure I'm better off asking here than going it alone since I really don't know what I'm looking at when it comes to graphics cards.  My biggest concern in finding one is that it have an HDMI port and the ability to connect at least 3 additional displays like my current one does.  I run a 3 display system and also have a projector attached.  All of my displays are 1080p max resolution.  Any help is greatly appreciated!
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  • InfusedEMPInfusedEMP Member UncommonPosts: 43
    I apologize for double posting but it won't let me edit the op.  I realized I should probably mention I'm looking for something under $200 and that it's for gaming.  So far I've narrowed it down to a few choices, all versions of the Radeon RX 500 series.  I'm guessing it would be better to go with 8gb but I'm not sure if it's necessary.  The only difference I'm noticing between the 570 and 580 is 100MHz.  Is that worth an additional $10 or is it negligible?

    8GB

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  • skeaserskeaser Member RarePosts: 4,205
    edited November 2019
    DMKano said:
    $10 is worth to get 580.

    Both cards are fine for what you need 
    This. If your budget is under $200 the answer is the 580 that you linked.

    As far as is it worth $10, only you can answer that but this may help:


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  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    edited November 2019
    I bought an XFX 580 for my son this past spring - very nice card for the price

    I would normally say wait because AMD is due to replace the 580 very soon: they just announced the 5500, which isn’t quite as fast, and the 5700 is a good deal faster but outside the budget by a bit. Which leaves that 5600 gap to be filled any time now.

    but your current card is broke, and the 580 will still be a nice card even when the 5600 finally releases
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    edited November 2019
    The Radeon RX 570 and 580 are different bins of the same "Polaris 20" die.  The die has 36 physical compute units, and the 580 enables them all, while the 570 disables 4 of them.  The reason to disable part of the chip is so that if part of the chip is defective, they can just disable that part and sell the chip as an RX 570 that meets their claimed specs.  The RX 580 also clocks the memory higher.  The typical performance difference between the two cards will be around 15%.  I think that's easily worth paying an extra $10.

    The Radeon RX 570 and 580 are both architecturally very similar to your old Radeon HD 7870, which allows a cleaner comparison on performance than you'd get when comparing wildly different architectures.  You can reasonably expect an RX 580 to typically be a little over double the performance of your old card.

    Another card that should be on your radar is the Radeon RX 590, which is basically a higher clocked version of the RX 580.  It's technically a new die, but it's really just the same die ported to a slightly better process node, which allows it to clock higher.  Whether it makes sense to get an RX 580 or 590 depends a lot on the price.  But here's one for the same $180 as the RX 580 that you just linked:

    https://www.newegg.com/powercolor-radeon-rx-590-axrx-590-8gbd5-dhd/p/N82E16814131744

    Reviews say that particular SKU is loud, though.
    Mikeha
  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
    edited November 2019
    Ridelynn said:
    I bought an XFX 580 for my son this past spring - very nice card for the price

    I would normally say wait because AMD is due to replace the 580 very soon: they just announced the 5500, which isn’t quite as fast, and the 5700 is a good deal faster but outside the budget by a bit. Which leaves that 5600 gap to be filled any time now.

    but your current card is broke, and the 580 will still be a nice card even when the 5600 finally releases
    Even RX 5500 might be good alternative to RX 580 if RX 5500 would be available, but to me it looks like either manufacturing capacity or the price AMD would have to pay for it aren't good enough and AMD is now delaying at least for time being.

    At the moment RX 580 is best option. Its only serious contender at that price range is GTX 1650 Super which is a bit slower, but it's well priced and uses a lot less power.
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    edited November 2019
    My best guess is that AMD wants to sell off  a lot of RX 570/580/590 inventory before introducing the RX 5500 for desktops.  That's not necessarily a bad thing, as it means you can get a good deal on the older cards.
  • TEKK3NTEKK3N Member RarePosts: 1,115
    edited November 2019
    Right now the situation Is:
    AMD Better  CPU
    Nvidia Better GPU

    The reason why Nvidia are still Better Is not because of the performances, but because they use less Watts, they are more silent and they do not overheat.
    So for smaller budget they are the better choice as you don't need a powerful PSU and an expensive cooling system.

    The cards within your budget are, in order (1 less powerful, 3 more powerful):

    If you can Stretch It to a GTX 1660 Super Is Better as It allows you to play games on 2K with decent performance, so it's futur proof.
    The GTX 1050 Ti can handle games at 1080p though.

    AMD are cheaper and are ok too, both the RX 570 (150W) and RX 580 (180W), slightly better than a GTX 1050Ti (65W), but personally, I would spend a bit more to buy Nvidia because they require far less power of AMD models and are much more silent.


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  • InfusedEMPInfusedEMP Member UncommonPosts: 43
    Thanks for the responses.  I'm now leaning toward the Radeon RX 580.  I found another version of it that's the same cost as the 570.  It's cheaper and yet has a faster clock speed.  Same manufacturer and seller.  I looked at the 590 but the one I can afford unfortunately doesn't support enough displays.  Out of these two I'm now considering the cheaper and seemingly better black edition.

  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,414
    edited November 2019
    GTX 1660 verse RX 590
    The 1050 Ti isn't even close. The RX 590 is more than 50%  faster. The RX 570 is 30% faster.

    The difference in performance between the GTX 1660 verse the RX 590 is incredibly close where it's practically non-existent. The buying choice would be down to thermals and price. The GTX 1660 draws less power, thus makes less noise to cool. But it's also more expensive. Is $30 worth it? Maybe not.

    Also be sure to check the cooling fin layout and if its compatible with your case. One of the cards linked to blows out the side instead of the back of the case.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    edited November 2019
    TEKK3N said:
    Right now the situation Is:
    AMD Better  CPU
    Nvidia Better GPU

    The reason why Nvidia are still Better Is not because of the performances, but because they use less Watts, they are more silent and they do not overheat.
    So for smaller budget they are the better choice as you don't need a powerful PSU and an expensive cooling system.

    The cards within your budget are, in order (1 less powerful, 3 more powerful):

    If you can Stretch It to a GTX 1660 Super Is Better as It allows you to play games on 2K with decent performance, so it's futur proof.
    The GTX 1050 Ti can handle games at 1080p though.

    AMD are cheaper and are ok too, both the RX 570 (150W) and RX 580 (180W), slightly better than a GTX 1050Ti (65W), but personally, I would spend a bit more to buy Nvidia because they require far less power of AMD models and are much more silent.
    First, you have to respect the budget.  If the original poster wants to stay under $200, and can more than double the performance of the card that he was using until just recently, then there isn't a good case for saying that he needs to get a larger budget.

    Second, Nvidia GPUs being more energy efficient depends on which cards you're comparing.  For the Polaris cards that we've mostly been recommending, yes.  If the comparison is to Navi, then AMD and Nvidia are close to even on energy efficiency.

    Finally, if AMD cards being too inefficient is a problem, you can readily scale them back in Radeon WattMan.  Scale back the clock speed on the top p-states and you might give up something like 10% of your performance, but save 20% or 30% of the power.  That probably sounds confusing as stated, but it's simple and straightforward to do once you have the driver UI in front of you.  It's also something that you can easily switch back and forth whenever you like, or even have it change the clock speeds and voltages on the basis of which game is running.
    Gdemami
  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726
    The Nvidia GPUs are still overpriced and do not fall within the indicated budget.  As most said above the RX-580 will be fine for you as long as it has enough ports.  I put one on my kids computer and they have 3 screens and it works fine.     
  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157
    edited November 2019
    RTX 2080TI

    But in reality anything that is Nvidia, and Asus is pretty good.

    https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-gtx-1650-super-tuf-gtx1650s-o4g-gaming/p/N82E16814126358?Item=N82E16814126358 

    ^ Not sure it's the best but under $200, but 128-Bit memory :\ Kinda yuck.

    AMD eh never going back.
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  • InfusedEMPInfusedEMP Member UncommonPosts: 43
    The Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 580 has come onto my radar.

    On amazon:
    On newegg it's cheaper with the discount:

    Is Sapphire superior to MSI or XFX in any way, or are they all about the same?
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    IIs Sapphire superior to MSI or XFX in any way, or are they all about the same?
    All three are pretty decent AMD AIB providers. I think when AMD releases their own branded reference cards, they are made by Sapphire, but I wouldn't take that to indicate they are superior in any way.
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    The Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 580 has come onto my radar.

    On amazon:
    On newegg it's cheaper with the discount:

    Is Sapphire superior to MSI or XFX in any way, or are they all about the same?
    What both AMD and Nvidia do is to have a bunch of board partners that assemble and sell video cards.  They'll make some GPU chips and sell equivalent chips to their various board partners.  In some cases, they sell kits with both the GPU chip and the corresponding memory to use for it so that they can better negotiate prices with the memory vendors.  In some cases, they sell completed video cards entirely to their partners, though those reference cards aren't what you're looking at.

    Different board partners can take the same GPU chips and put different coolers on them or different monitor ports.  They also have the option to redo the PCB entirely and have different power circuitry and so forth.  They have to get AMD or Nvidia to sign off on whatever they do, so they can't just do absolutely anything they please.  But in that sense, what matters is not which board partner you're dealing with, but which particular SKU you get.  The only place that the board partner matters directly is if you need warranty service after the RMA period ends.
  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157
    Personally Avoid AMD...

    XFX, and Sapphire make S***** graphics cards that sometimes don't even last 3 years before failure, and worst of all the warranty is horrid.

    Stick with Nvidia, and a reputable company ASUS, or EVGA.
    GdemamiOzmodan
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499

    I figure I'm better off asking here than going it alone since I really don't know what I'm looking at when it comes to graphics cards.  My biggest concern in finding one is that it have an HDMI port and the ability to connect at least 3 additional displays like my current one does.  I run a 3 display system and also have a projector attached.  All of my displays are 1080p max resolution.  Any help is greatly appreciated!
    I think that this is a key point that isn't getting enough attention.  Exactly what are your monitor port requirements?  Is it that you need at least four ports in total, and at least one of them to be HDMI?  So would three DisplayPort and one HDMI work for you?  Or two of each?  Or what?

    Needing good multi-monitor support could rule out a lot of particular SKUs.  As of a couple of years ago, if you plugged three monitors into an Nvidia GPU, it would have to keep the GPU clocks up at all times rather than being able to clock down at idle.  Since a GPU is idle most of the time, that would lead to Nvidia GPUs using a lot more power and making a lot more noise than AMD GPUs that are equivalent on performance.  I'm not sure if they fixed that at some point, but it was the driving reason why I went with AMD for the GPU in my latest build.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Renoaku said:
    Personally Avoid AMD...

    XFX, and Sapphire make S***** graphics cards that sometimes don't even last 3 years before failure, and worst of all the warranty is horrid.

    Stick with Nvidia, and a reputable company ASUS, or EVGA.
    It's funny how the Nvidia fanboys thought XFX was one of the best board partners back when they were Nvidia only, and now say that they're awful after they switched to AMD.

    Regardless, since the original poster just had an AMD GPU last more than 7 years, I don't think he's worried that all AMD GPUs will die within three.
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  • InfusedEMPInfusedEMP Member UncommonPosts: 43
    edited November 2019
    Quizzical said:
    Exactly what are your monitor port requirements?  Is it that you need at least four ports in total, and at least one of them to be HDMI?  So would three DisplayPort and one HDMI work for you?  Or two of each?  Or what?
    I'm using 3 monitors and a projector as a 4th so I need at least 4 ports in total.  I connect the projector via HDMI and the monitors can be DVI, DisplayPort, or HDMI.  I'll likely plug one of them in via DVI and the other two via DisplayPort.  That is, unless I run into some limitation of the card like I did with my last one where it would only run 4 displays if I used certain ports and refused to if I used others.
  • skeaserskeaser Member RarePosts: 4,205
    Quizzical said:
    Exactly what are your monitor port requirements?  Is it that you need at least four ports in total, and at least one of them to be HDMI?  So would three DisplayPort and one HDMI work for you?  Or two of each?  Or what?
    I'm using 3 monitors and a projector as a 4th so I need at least 4 ports in total.  I connect the projector via HDMI and the monitors can be DVI, DisplayPort, or HDMI.  I'll likely plug one of them in via DVI and the other two via DisplayPort.  That is, unless I run into some limitation of the card like I did with my last one where it would only run 4 displays if I used certain ports and refused to if I used others.
    The Sapphire card you linked has the following listed on the official site:

    Displays

    Maximum 5 Outputs

    Interface

    PCI-Express 3.0

    Resolution

    • DisplayPort: 5120×2880@60Hz
    • HDMI: 4096×2160@60Hz
    • DVI:2560x1600@60Hz

    Output

    • 1x DVI-D
    • 2x HDMI
    • 2x DisplayPort 1.4

    It looks like it should work.



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  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    edited November 2019
    Renoaku said:
    Personally Avoid AMD...

    XFX, and Sapphire make S***** graphics cards that sometimes don't even last 3 years before failure, and worst of all the warranty is horrid.

    Stick with Nvidia, and a reputable company ASUS, or EVGA.
    After a few years of graphics driver related crashes with my EVGA GTX970 SSC, it finally fried almost two months ago. Do you know what i'm using now? I went back to my almost 10 year old XFX Radeon HD 6950 i had before upgrading to Nvidia. Still to this day that old AMD card has never crashed once or had any driver issues.

    That 970 was a great upgrade I don't regret buying performance wise, but between driver issues and frying out of nowhere in a well ventilated case and no OC, my next purchase is clearly going to be AMD.

    The irony, AMD was supposed to be the one giving problems.
    EDIT: all my friends use Nvidia only and always criticize AMD, yet they are always dealing with driver related issues.

    Just wanted to share my experience.
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  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    Since Win10 came out, I’ve had vastly more driver problems with my nVidia rigs than on AMD rigs.

    Build quality Asus is back buIlding AMD hardware now, and AMD has had a lot of top tier AIB providers for a while now - PowerColor, Sapphire, Gigabyte, etc.
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  • Panther2103Panther2103 Member EpicPosts: 5,779
    Ridelynn said:
    Since Win10 came out, I’ve had vastly more driver problems with my nVidia rigs than on AMD rigs.

    Build quality Asus is back buIlding AMD hardware now, and AMD has had a lot of top tier AIB providers for a while now - PowerColor, Sapphire, Gigabyte, etc.
    I have had a R9 390 on windows 10 and a 2070 super, I've had more problems with the 2070 than I have with my older AMD card (although I do like the performance of the 2070 in games). 

    The wars between Nvidia and AMD are weird to me, both seem to be pretty stable and AMD is way more budget friendly. 
    Ozmodan
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    nVidia has a lot of strengths - I wouldn’t dismiss them out of hand. I’ve owned several and still look at them depending on the budget and application.

    ...but pushing them just out of sheer brand loyalty is a bit much, and that’s what I push back against.
    Ozmodan
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