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Are Star Citizen's Backers Actually Deluded?
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Many have dreamed for a game like Star Citizen since they were kids, since there's nothing comparable now or in the horizion even If there wouldn't be Star Citizen to wait for they would still be waiting for a game like Star Citizen.
So it's a moot question really.
The only way to answer those questions in a useful way - is to talk to people who haven't already decided one way or the other.
Of course, on the Internet - that would be the tiny minority
As for how long I will wait for Star Citizen? Well, I don't really see how I can "not wait".
I mean, even if they didn't release a MVP in the next 50 years - I would still be "waiting" in the sense that, assuming I'm alive in 50 years, I would still play it upon release if it was any good.
They've just tackled one of the two remaining big technical hurdles - or so it would seem. 3.8 will demonstrate if SSOCS is actually working as intended.
Then there's really only Server Meshing left. Persistence is there, too, but I don't personally think that's a major hurdle. It's a relatively simple thing to achieve if you have the infrastructure required to do so.
Server Meshing, however, is still a bit of an unknown - and we don't yet know if they can pull it off in a sufficiently satisfying manner.
Well, ok, another major obstacle is the dynamic AI actually doing what they promise it will do - but I have to say that, after the Tony Z presentation this CitCon - there can be no real question they're going to pull that off as well.
I've waited 5-6 years for Tony to make his promises into something real - and his demonstration was very convincing.
My own personal estimate for the first true "release" of Star Citizen would probably be late 2022.
I think the only thing that might be an issue at this point in time - is if they can create enough star systems to make the game truly meaningful in the next three years.
Clearly, with Planet Tech v4 - they can make the actual planets very, very quickly now. But the "heroic" landing zones? That's still up in the air as far as I'm concerned.
I imagine they're working hard on a landing zone pipeline - just like they're using for ships. Considering they're pretty close to having done all of the ~150 currently planned ships, there's sufficient evidence to suggest they'll be able to do something similar for landing zones.
I will be 46 if the above holds true - and I have no reason to believe there's going to be any other game that even remotely compares to Star Citizen in terms of gameplay sophistication and scope - so I can't find any plausible reason not to play it.
Still waiting....
Supposed to be living on Mars by now as well.
You don't suppose C.R. was managing any of those projects do you?
Naw, guess not, he's not old enough...hmm, maybe his father though?
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Still waiting....
Blame the energy companies for buying the patents and killing them both off.
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People often praise SC for scope and being 'technological marvel'(lol) but technical side of the project was never a 'big hurdle'...it was just unnecesarily expensive - due funding approach and poor design.
We did see implementations of 'walking outside the ship' already so technical side isn't really much of an issue. The true challenge actually is content.
It isn't much of an issue to make a transition from outer space to atmosphere to ground but what you will actually do once you get there and in that regard, SC is far from any meaningful gameplay....
Or maybe you just ate a Snickers bar?
I've always believed the the toughest challenge is creating meaningful game play, the tools used to do so are secondary but it often seems gamers are too focused on them.
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Most of that relevant to its scale, visual quality & the fact it always needs to be seamless, makes everything more complicated. So instead of having a game-word like GW2 where you move to another area you get loading and you on another server, now the tech requires something that does it seamlessly, needless to say that ain't any easy feat, just one of many examples.
Mechanics come online, content is not on primary focus, because on a sandbox approach to gameplay those mechanics are the core content drivers.
If you want to argue that what Star Citizen is doing is easy in a technical sense, we can have that discussion - but you would have to educate yourself a little before that can happen.
Based on the above statement, having the discussion right now would be like arguing with a child claiming that a car really isn't different to a horse carriage - because they're doing the same kind of thing.
I don't have the patience for that, sorry
That said, you can argue that what a car is doing isn't terribly complicated either, but you kinda need to put things into context.
What Star Citizen is doing isn't necessarily a "technical marvel" - because each advanced feature is based on relatively straight-forward principles.
The reason it's amazing, at least to me - is that it's the first game I've personally seen that's built for the future and which is not being held back by the economic realities of the publisher-focused industry.
They're essentially re-writing an engine which really only has a rather narrow (but highly relevant) edge - that's only good for putting a massive amount of textured polygons on-screen with good performance - and they're creating an entire universe with that engine.
The big challenge, really, has been to restructure the entire thing - at the same time as they've been forced to meet their original stretch goals of the Hangar, Arena Commander and Star Marine.
They haven't been in a position to create the underlying technology from the outset - and that means they've had to create technology AFTER using what's already there to satisfy the demand.
If they'd known they'd have 250+ million dollars and 10+ years to create a game - with zero pressure - they would likely have done it in a very different way.
Even so - and regardless of how "trivial" all these features are - there's not a single other game in existence right now - or in the immediate future - that combines this level of fidelity and sophistication in a single game.
That's enough for me
That was a good one. Sometimes I am forgetting the boards I am posting at...
I'm simply saying that I don't have the patience to argue with people who do so from a position of that level of ignorance.
If people are informed - and they demonstrate that to a reasonable degree - I don't mind having a discussion about this topic.
If you want to get into your usual "I'm smart and you're dumb" type of exchange - that's also not really within my sphere of interest.
But, with Star Citizen, I'm more confident than ever that the game speaks for itself - and even the most passionate detractors will have an increasingly hard time finding themselves in a room that's not a very small echo chamber.
I fully expect most gamers to be smart enough to enjoy a great game more than remaining ignorant about it.
That said, I'm also fully aware that the most dedicated detractors are unlikely to publically admit they were too hard on the game.
That's not how people work when they're wrong on that level - and that's ok
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You do realize that most of the people criticizing it have actually played it right?
I backed it years ago but I find the gameplay incredibly uninspiring and boring... and I've spent hundreds of hours in ED, Factorio, camping gates in EvE and other "boring" gaming endeavors.
I don't give a damn about their pompous talk about "new" technology and groundbreaking marketing gimmicks when the gameplay is utterly banal.
Maybe one day they'll realize that they need to add interesting gameplay and then maybe more than a fraction of their playerbase will actually want to play it.
I'd love to actually take advantage of my purchase and have an enjoyable experience... instead of just sitting it out and warming my hands on this crowdfunded dumpster fire.
..Cake..
It is no.1 reason why EVE was capable to keep it's playerbase growing - 2 content updates per year.
You guys are truly delusional.