Main issue with this game is that no new players want to buy several expansions along with the base game, and then have to buy a sub just to have access to all of the quests.
u can buy the quadpack very cheap nowadays )nexeus beat me to it), lotro has content for years if u never played , plus if u sub just 1 month u get to keep bags , traits and swift travel (a must have in this game after u arrive rivendell)
on top of that u can buy things with the points u get from playing (expansions included ) , Minas morgul isnt on the store atm , by march some1 said.
When I played there was some weird PvP where you could play an Orc and fight people. It left me feeling a lack of excitement once I realized I wouldn't be able to use my self version of Legolas against a bunch of people. lol
Orc, and also Uruk, warg, spider, a giant troll even, but that's tough to bring forth...
As for your Legolas, you can use it for pvp, if you're a subscriber or purchase a pass as a free player. And if you're above level 40 - preferably way above, the Creeps all are at level cap, and usually the numbers are on their side as well.
Bring a team with you, or tag along with those you find inside.
Read the article and practically no mention of gameplay.
This is my biggest problem these days. Why has everyone (devs and media) given up on gameplay and only write about the story and the world? I just don't understand. Games are meant to be played, so the less you can play, the less of a game it is. As story is not gameplay, the more story you have the worse the game is.
Currently Playing: WAR RoR - Spitt rr7X Black Orc | Scrotling rr6X Squig Herder | Scabrous rr4X Shaman
Read the article and practically no mention of gameplay.
This is my biggest problem these days. Why has everyone (devs and media) given up on gameplay and only write about the story and the world? I just don't understand. Games are meant to be played, so the less you can play, the less of a game it is. As story is not gameplay, the more story you have the worse the game is.
I realized that as I was writing this - but I think with a game that's been out for 12 years the gameplay hasn't changed enough with MM to really make any note of it in a story-based article. But this is something I'll be writing about for next week's LotRO column because you're not the only one who is thinking this way.
The content is not good enough to grind out legendaries and scrolls and crystals etc etc. I am a lifetime member that lost interest for 4 years previously and recently lost interest again.
Main issue with this game is that no new players want to buy several expansions along with the base game, and then have to buy a sub just to have access to all of the quests.
I've been playing LoTRO lately and enjoying it, but I do completely agree here. I can understand purchasing the latest expansion, but having to purchase all the old ones and quest packs is way too much. The problem is that Lotro has a cult following who does purchase those things.
god, gamers are so f'ing cheap.
To buy all this stuff is a pittance. And they don't even have to buy it at once. They can just buy them as they go.
cult following? It's just paying a modicum of money to access what is essentially a very good mmorpg.
They could be cheap on US dollars. But the prices on my region (Brazil) makes buying all The Sims 4 expansion packs and item packs without any discount a better deal. Yeah, it is THAT much.
I'm not sure it's MMO players being cheap either - it's an indictment on SSG's business model. Keep in mind with most MMO expansion releases you get all the expansion content leading up to that expansion as well with the purchase. World of Warcraft has been around longer than LOTRO and yet if oyu bought BfA you got every expansion with the purchase. Sure, WoW also requires a sub to play, but that's still a ton of value for a new player.
LotRO doesn't even give you all the regions of the original Shadows of Angmar release even if you have a SoA key on your account. I've paid for SoA three times and yet if I let me sub lapse I lose most of the content of the original release. I can understand newer players being intimidated by not just the time requirement but the monetary one just to get caught up.
Main issue with this game is that no new players want to buy several expansions along with the base game, and then have to buy a sub just to have access to all of the quests.
I have to disagree with you. I have two accounts and never paid one dime for an expansion or quest pack. You earn so many points just playing the game, but if you don't play alts at all I can see your point though.
I tired to get back into it after a several year break. It would take dozens of hours of grinding plus buying several xpacs to catch up. Instead I bought all of Elder Scrolls Online for less.
Problem with ESO, the content does not come close to the content in Lotro so naturally it would cost less.
I'd be happy with a LOTRO updated on a new engine, and going forward as they are. I'm hoping this new one in the works is similar in lore/story, with a better combat system and more stable servers. Knowing my luck it will be a Battle Arena or MOBA or even a card game...
Main issue with this game is that no new players want to buy several expansions along with the base game, and then have to buy a sub just to have access to all of the quests.
I've been playing LoTRO lately and enjoying it, but I do completely agree here. I can understand purchasing the latest expansion, but having to purchase all the old ones and quest packs is way too much. The problem is that Lotro has a cult following who does purchase those things.
god, gamers are so f'ing cheap.
To buy all this stuff is a pittance. And they don't even have to buy it at once. They can just buy them as they go.
cult following? It's just paying a modicum of money to access what is essentially a very good mmorpg.
I looked at the LOTRO online store, and if I'm not mistaken, the cost to just get caught up on all the expansions is $170. You gotta compare the total price of entry to other games on the market this old. Based on those terms, the cost is ridiculous. I can't help but wonder how many new players are scared away once they realize how much they'd end up spending.
I tried going back to my level 75 hunter a few weeks ago. The main reason I quit again after a few days was the daunting concept of grinding through 55 more levels completely alone.
So like I said, modicum of money.
1, You dont' have to buy everything at once. that's about something else when someone feels that they have to put down "all the moneyz" at once.
2, Content doesn't spoil like milk. Those quests, that world, is either good or not. Now, a person might not be interested in that type of game play anymore and that's viable. But that doesn't mean that they should then have to pay less. I would argue that if someone isn't that engaged in a game they shouldn't be playing at all.
3, The game came out in 2007. So that huge expense up there is like paying a little over 13 dollars a year since the game came out for additional content. But maybe that 13 dollars is too steep so a little over a dollar a month might be easier.
And no, one doesn't have to compare the total price to entry to other games (keeping in mind that "entry" means just that, the very first bit that just gets you into the game) one has to look at the game and decided whether it's worth it or not. Because game are mostly free now with the idea that their design circles around getting players to either pay more than what they used to pay or for the very least getting a small subset of players to pay a lot more than they would have.
If people would add up how much they spend monthly on coffee, on the better cognac, on splurging on a great dinner or heaven forbid spending a day at the movies then they will see how much that $170 is really nothing.
Was in New York this past weekend and spent $209 on one ticket to a show. Not to mention all the great restaurants I went to. That was one weekend. Worthy it but comparing the small amount of $170 (and admittedly a small bit more for when the game had a mandatory sub) to what people pay for other things, it's nothing.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
Main issue with this game is that no new players want to buy several expansions along with the base game, and then have to buy a sub just to have access to all of the quests.
I've been playing LoTRO lately and enjoying it, but I do completely agree here. I can understand purchasing the latest expansion, but having to purchase all the old ones and quest packs is way too much. The problem is that Lotro has a cult following who does purchase those things.
god, gamers are so f'ing cheap.
To buy all this stuff is a pittance. And they don't even have to buy it at once. They can just buy them as they go.
cult following? It's just paying a modicum of money to access what is essentially a very good mmorpg.
I looked at the LOTRO online store, and if I'm not mistaken, the cost to just get caught up on all the expansions is $170. You gotta compare the total price of entry to other games on the market this old. Based on those terms, the cost is ridiculous. I can't help but wonder how many new players are scared away once they realize how much they'd end up spending.
I tried going back to my level 75 hunter a few weeks ago. The main reason I quit again after a few days was the daunting concept of grinding through 55 more levels completely alone.
Eh, if you sub you get 500 points a month and most of the expacs are 2495 points. You don't need them until you've gotten to that point and if you're taking your time getting through the stories the cost will be much lower for the whole set.
I have a lifetime sub from the first year (what was that, 2007?) and I don't play anymore. So it's not the cost that is keeping people away necessarily.
My avatar is my hobbit minstrel, who along with a friend was one of the first two to get to Imladris in alpha (we ran naked and died a lot at about 10th lvl).
But somewhere just after Moria, it lost me.
That's quite a feat, I'm sure Bilbo was happy to see a few new friendly faces...
I too think the cost is just an excuse, and a weak one - but again, I can't get a grasp on that "I wanna everything, NOW" mindset. It's stupid in games with a design suited for such approach, but even more so in LotRO which is quite "modular" (not the best word to describe) and you get nothing from the late expansions until -with at least one character- you actually get to that level.
Maybe not the best example but:
"I never played MtG, wanted to start, but man, looked up a trader site and have you seen those prices, and the number of cards available? A new player should spend ten thousands of dollars to buy everything, darn the entry fee to this game is way too high"
(I've played quite some Magic in the '90s, for the record )
I will be glad when AGS launches the new Tolkien mmo so SSG can finally grasp how they lost their chance and Lotro will be shutdown finally. SSG fans can enjoy their P2W game while it lasts.
Main issue with this game is that no new players want to buy several expansions along with the base game, and then have to buy a sub just to have access to all of the quests.
I've been playing LoTRO lately and enjoying it, but I do completely agree here. I can understand purchasing the latest expansion, but having to purchase all the old ones and quest packs is way too much. The problem is that Lotro has a cult following who does purchase those things.
god, gamers are so f'ing cheap.
To buy all this stuff is a pittance. And they don't even have to buy it at once. They can just buy them as they go.
cult following? It's just paying a modicum of money to access what is essentially a very good mmorpg.
That's a lot of baloney.
The game is too expensive, too old and outdated, the engine is piss poor tier optimized, the game runs maxed out at 300 fps for me and it still feels like it's running at 20 fps. The combat is even worse and clunkier than that in ESO.
The game is a fucking joke of an MMO and not only you pay a shitton of money, but you pay them for a game-as-a-service - the biggest scam as of late. You buy a game, play it, then 10 years later the developer decides it's no longer profitable so they shut it down and all you're left with is a thumb up your ass.
At least there are similar such scams GAAS (game-as-a-service) which are a lot cheaper and you don't feel that much ripped off when it's all over.
Also you sound exactly like a Middle Earth cultist slash whale.
About the bolded part, you mean like every MMO with a sub ever?
The rest is just opinion, blunty phrased as if it is truth but still opinion.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Shifting from Mina Morgul to light trolling "dis game iz p2w", "dis game iz too expenziv" type :-/ Some expansions are too expensive: true. Mordor, Minas Morgul at least. Some SSG actions lack any logic. Example: Minas Morgul will be delivered 6 months later to purchase for Lotro points. Why not 6 years? Game engine is a bit outdated: true. Just it isn't engine only that matters. There are beautifull Asian grinders with lolitas or pandas... "Game is too expensive" is a pseudo-argument. Discussed many times. You get Lotro points as you play (almost inevitable exploration deeds, slayer deeds, epic content, class and social deeds). So you can play, paying with Lotro points only. Example: me, I grinded Lotro points to unlock almost all content, never spending a dime.
Shifting from Mina Morgul to light trolling "dis game iz p2w", "dis game iz too expenziv" type :-/ Some expansions are too expensive: true. Mordor, Minas Morgul at least. Some SSG actions lack any logic. Example: Minas Morgul will be delivered 6 months later to purchase for Lotro points. Why not 6 years? Game engine is a bit outdated: true. Just it isn't engine only that matters. There are beautifull Asian grinders with lolitas or pandas... "Game is too expensive" is a pseudo-argument. Discussed many times. You get Lotro points as you play (almost inevitable exploration deeds, slayer deeds, epic content, class and social deeds). So you can play, paying with Lotro points only. Example: me, I grinded Lotro points to unlock almost all content, never spending a dime.
Next argument, LotRO is too much work....
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Main issue of this game is that there are fps drops, lag spikes and not so smooth experience after all.I don't mind the grinding, story telling or graphics because they are great for me, but when i run this game on 2.5k $ rig and i don't have 60+ stable fps it's driving me mad and i cancel the subscription.I know the game is old and it's using an old engine but that is not an excuse.Shut down the game, redesign the game to be a smooth experience, from zero if you have to!the game will sell it'self becauseof the universe it takes place in...Just stop it and remake a mmorpg worthy of lotr legacy!
Main issue of this game is that there are fps drops, lag spikes and not so smooth experience after all.I don't mind the grinding, story telling or graphics because they are great for me, but when i run this game on 2.5k $ rig and i don't have 60+ stable fps it's driving me mad and i cancel the subscription.I know the game is old and it's using an old engine but that is not an excuse.Shut down the game, redesign the game to be a smooth experience, from zero if you have to!the game will sell it'self becauseof the universe it takes place in...Just stop it and remake a mmorpg worthy of lotr legacy!
Get a better ISP because I don't have any of those issues and my computer has not been updated in at least 5 years. I also usually run two clients at the same time.
The game is too expensive, too old and outdated, the engine is piss poor tier optimized, the game runs maxed out at 300 fps for me and it still feels like it's running at 20 fps. The combat is even worse and clunkier than that in ESO.
The game is a fucking joke of an MMO and not only you pay a shitton of money, but you pay them for a game-as-a-service - the biggest scam as of late. You buy a game, play it, then 10 years later the developer decides it's no longer profitable so they shut it down and all you're left with is a thumb up your ass.
At least there are similar such scams GAAS (game-as-a-service) which are a lot cheaper and you don't feel that much ripped off when it's all over.
Also you sound exactly like a Middle Earth cultist slash whale.
Where have you been? That's called a subscription. You pay as you go.
Companies don't do this because you're their bud. They want to make money. They want to stay in business and they want to create a product/service that they love to make and that people want to play.
They state that you aren't buying the game, that you are paying for access. It's on you if you don't understand that.
Do you have to like it? No. So don't play, simple as that. They don't owe you anything other than the service you pay for.
And it's not a "shit ton of money." Not even close.
lol and no I'm not even close to a middle earth cultist slash/whale. I buy the expansions, sometimes a cosmetic and that's about it. I do believe in paying for my content/entertainment as opposed to being cheap and not paying others for their work so maybe you are confusing the two.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
Comments
u can buy the quadpack very cheap nowadays )nexeus beat me to it), lotro has content for years if u never played , plus if u sub just 1 month u get to keep bags , traits and swift travel (a must have in this game after u arrive rivendell) on top of that u can buy things with the points u get from playing (expansions included ) , Minas morgul isnt on the store atm , by march some1 said.
This is my biggest problem these days. Why has everyone (devs and media) given up on gameplay and only write about the story and the world? I just don't understand. Games are meant to be played, so the less you can play, the less of a game it is. As story is not gameplay, the more story you have the worse the game is.
LotRO doesn't even give you all the regions of the original Shadows of Angmar release even if you have a SoA key on your account. I've paid for SoA three times and yet if I let me sub lapse I lose most of the content of the original release. I can understand newer players being intimidated by not just the time requirement but the monetary one just to get caught up.
I'm hoping this new one in the works is similar in lore/story, with a better combat system and more stable servers.
Knowing my luck it will be a Battle Arena or MOBA or even a card game...
Gut Out!
What, me worry?
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Eh, if you sub you get 500 points a month and most of the expacs are 2495 points. You don't need them until you've gotten to that point and if you're taking your time getting through the stories the cost will be much lower for the whole set.
Thanks for the clarification. I couldn't tell either.
The rest is just opinion, blunty phrased as if it is truth but still opinion.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Some expansions are too expensive: true. Mordor, Minas Morgul at least.
Some SSG actions lack any logic. Example: Minas Morgul will be delivered 6 months later to purchase for Lotro points. Why not 6 years?
Game engine is a bit outdated: true. Just it isn't engine only that matters. There are beautifull Asian grinders with lolitas or pandas...
"Game is too expensive" is a pseudo-argument. Discussed many times. You get Lotro points as you play (almost inevitable exploration deeds, slayer deeds, epic content, class and social deeds). So you can play, paying with Lotro points only. Example: me, I grinded Lotro points to unlock almost all content, never spending a dime.
http://www.mmoblogg.wordpress.com
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Companies don't do this because you're their bud. They want to make money. They want to stay in business and they want to create a product/service that they love to make and that people want to play.
They state that you aren't buying the game, that you are paying for access. It's on you if you don't understand that.
Do you have to like it? No. So don't play, simple as that. They don't owe you anything other than the service you pay for.
And it's not a "shit ton of money." Not even close.
lol and no I'm not even close to a middle earth cultist slash/whale. I buy the expansions, sometimes a cosmetic and that's about it. I do believe in paying for my content/entertainment as opposed to being cheap and not paying others for their work so maybe you are confusing the two.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo