Zones?... not a single zone !

delete5230

To have 10 playable zones, you would start with level 1-10, then 11- 20.  

VR is doing the public a disservice by calling randomized "test beds" zones. 

calling randomizing test spots to practice balance zones is deceptive.  

In order to call areas zones you would have to originate a beginning of an action.  A starting point !.... Yet this game has none.  NOT A SINGLE ZONE! 

Instead it's a computer generated program where testers log themselves in strictly to test….. Random simulators, and nothing that depicts zones in any way. 

In each case since inception of Pantheon, every scenario ever made starts in the middle, with no beginning or end.   

In a traditional sense of the word "game zone of any other game" you would have starting dialog, a starting hub, a meeting place.  This game has none of that ! 

 No rhyme or reason for anything.   A series of randomized events THIS GAME IS NOT EVEN STARTED.

Wizardry

Umm sorry but i will enlighten you...

A "starting point"....it's called a player spawn actor.That would be your starting point,wherever they have player  spawn points.

Zones,they most certainly would have zones,i mean anyone on this website can make a zone with 20 seconds using a free to use Unreal engine UDK.

I would also go as far to say they also have zone properties,such as sound,maybe not music yet but most likely sounds of some sort.I would also figure they have some zone lighting done as well.

So there most certainly is a beginning,however an END?What is even an end,it is not like we game and we see some point and call it THE END.So can i assume you are talking about zones not yet connected?I would assume that imo they do most certainly have zones connected.

Obviously i am not looking inside their game engine or using any of their tools but i would say that everything i assumed is likely also fact.So what exactly is expected of this studio?Well if i was in charge,i would spend a long time designing it on paper then go about hiring and designing the game.I assume they also did this but perhaps not so much in the planning on paper.

Do i need to yet point to the most popular mmorpg on the planet?What did Blizzard with all their money,huge payroll come up with for game design?Not a hell of a lot,npc's...check,.world...check...markers over npc heads...check,trigger in some quests to those npc's ...check...WALLAAA ,amazing game design huh?Like Blizzard coudl hire some teenagers in high school to design that game....sigh.

Reason why i point at Blizzard,is why would we expect a small studio like VR to come out with a AAA game when Blizzard couldn't do it.Tell me this,do you have ANYWHERE at all to call home inside the game world of Warcraft?No there you go,not even as good as Indie studios.

Wizardry

I think we should be fair to VR and realize,this is not a multi million dollar corporation,they are not run by Vivendi,they are not partnered with Activision,i am not even sure they are on the stock market lol.So be reasonable,this is an INDIE studio,i expect a AA product,hey that;s better than complete trash like i see a LOT of.

I EXPECT VR to deliver a good Indie product,i am not expecting anymore and i will not be angry with them if it comes out a AA product because that is what i expect.The final decision is to the consumer,is it good enough for you to play long term,will you call this game your home if you end up liking it or...not?

PS...i realize Vivendi is no longer the owner of Blizzard..lol,i don't live under a rock.

LackingMMO

Pantheon has a complete full feature launch full of content!

Delete: Pantheon has no content and no features! 

Sovrath

delete5230 said:

 No rhyme or reason for anything.   A series of randomized events THIS GAME IS NOT EVEN STARTED.

Again, I'm going to qualify my answer with a "I don't think the game will launch but I hope it will" statement so it doesn't look a bit apologist.

Delete, you most likely have never made a thing in your life. I can't imagine you have. Not on any high level certainly.

I wrote a piece for orchestra where I wrote the middle and the end before I wrote the beginning.

I have a piece for String quartet, Oboe and Voice where I wrote the beginning and end before I even created the middle sections.

I myself am a big believer in working on the parts that are inspired first so that they can be finished and then help inform the parts that aren't inspired. With the idea that I can change things as I must.

But I suppose I'm small potatoes. How about Mahler's Symphony no 10 where he only scored the first and third movements. The rest not scored. "But shouldn't you go from the beginning to the end?"

No.

kitarad

If you take zones in Everquest a zone is like Lesser Faydark, Felwithe, Butcherblock and Greater Faydark for instance. I don't understand what your concept of zone is.

Sovrath

kitarad said:

If you take zones in Everquest a zone is like Lesser Faydark, Felwithe, Butcherblock and Greater Faydark for instance. I don't understand what your concept of zone is.

I believe he is saying that because the zones aren't sequential, they don't go from one to another to another, that this is an issue and therefore there is no game.

We also don't know of the other zones that have been completed or perhaps "partially completed."

It's ridiculous to assume anything as large as the creation of a game has to go from the very first place a player steps to the next to the next to the next, in the process of development.

The only time I expect that is when the game is released. Then if players are jumping all over the map we might get suspicious.

Palebane

I forbid you to forbid me from entering The Forbidden Zone.

BruceYee

EQNext had already spent 15mil on that game before it was scrapped. This game probably has a lot less funds available to them so I'd be happy with the most basic shell of a game if they can ever complete it.

I can see OP worry though cause all we ever see are what seem to be the best parts and very little variety just stationary most of the time in a small area.

Kyleran

Despite the fact my original thread made just for him is still on page 2, which @delete5230 never posted in he saw a need to create an entirely new thread to address it for some odd reason.

Attention seeking would be my guess, or it's too difficult to argue the world is flat when evidence to the contrary is staring him in the face.

Go back and watch the video, its only 10 minutes long, and address the points raised in it.

kitarad

Kyleran said:

Despite the fact my original thread made just for him is still on page 2, which @delete5230 never posted in he saw a need to create an entirely new thread to address it for some odd reason.

Attention seeking would be my guess, or it's too difficult to argue the world is flat when evidence to the contrary is staring him in the face.

Go back and watch the video, its only 10 minutes long, and address the points raised in it.

He hates reading (his own words which in turn explains a lot) and actually digesting information. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make the horse drink it as they say. Willful ignorance and the faulty reasoning after @Sovrath explained it has me baffled as to why anyone would think that way.

Kyleran

Sovrath said:

kitarad said:

If you take zones in Everquest a zone is like Lesser Faydark, Felwithe, Butcherblock and Greater Faydark for instance. I don't understand what your concept of zone is.

I believe he is saying that because the zones aren't sequential, they don't go from one to another to another, that this is an issue and therefore there is no game.

We also don't know of the other zones that have been completed or perhaps "partially completed."

It's ridiculous to assume anything as large as the creation of a game has to go from the very first place a player steps to the next to the next to the next, in the process of development.

The only time I expect that is when the game is released. Then if players are jumping all over the map we might get suspicious.

Actually in the video they start by showing Thronefast, a new player zone for levels 1-8 or so, followed by the zone next to it for the next tier of players.

Granted, it does not show a full set of zones from level one to cap, but not every video was a zone, at least one was a dungeon and another a raid which could very well exist or be accessed from within a zone which I realize has a specific meaning in a game like this.

delete5230

Sorry,

Point one, I had Brain Surgery on Wednesday they removed a large tumor, sad to say I have to wait two weeks for the biopsy results to return.

 

Point two, I like BazgrimTV, The guy is very likeable and shows great enthusiasm for Pantheon.  

BUT in this case the video you showcased has no merit…… Theirs no real Justus behind it, infact he made it because of the overwhelming need to prove what VR has stated yet has yet to prove there are 10 zones of content. 

 To say there are ZONES would have to have a beginning, end and story behind it….. VR is randomly logging themselves and guest into random programs for testing. 

6 years of randomness and BazgrimTV is simply trying to keep extremely positive in a situation that's not looking too good. 

 It's a video that should have never been made.  A lot of fans are putting words beyond the scope of Visionary Realms, and people are eating it up. 

Please don't get me wrong I hope for the best, I WANT THIS GAME !!!....However I have no faith or confidence in their abilities. 

yes I'll admit I started a new post,but it's a post that should have never been. 

kitarad

My god so sorry to hear about your tumour I hope it will be benign.

Amathe

I think your expectations are influenced by WoW, where you quest in one zone and then, as you level, you go quest in an adjacent zone that is conveniently next door. Not every game is like that.   

Tanist

Delete, you are grasping.

There are a lot of things to question about VRs current state of development in the game, but your arguments are... lacking so severely it is like a crazed drunken person on Jerry Springer.

ChildoftheShadows

And now evidence = absence of evidence = evidence of absence. 

This is how conspiracy theories start. The videos of people on the moon is evidence we’ve never been there. 

delete5230

Amathe said:

I think your expectations are influenced by WoW, where you quest in one zone and then, as you level, you go quest in an adjacent zone that is conveniently next door. Not every game is like that.   

Yes and no,
I could understand your saying this because of the theme park of WoW.  But the point is their not logging into a game or a zone but a program or a hacked into testing area for lack of a better words. Even when guest are involved, it's like they have to key them into the program.

Yes WoW is a theme park you would expect it would have a new agenda for each zone they would make that zone in a game of that type.

But still Pantheon or any other game should have a sort of soft log in instead of programmed...... I know i'm having a hard time getting my point across, but the best I can say is their "not zones" but an extremely early stage of environment.


In their In their defense I understand what they are trying to accomplish, and that's balancing classes..... Nothing wrong at all with that, but to say they have 10 zones is more like random content that would equal 10 zones of materiel. 

ChildoftheShadows

Still making garbage up for some non existent argument? You are relentless. Pointlessly relentless.

delete5230

ChildoftheShadows said:

Still making garbage up for some non existent argument? You are relentless. Pointlessly relentless.

Well will discuss this three years from now when they REALLY have zones... but for now it's just a testing program..... Lets talk in a few years.

Kyleran

delete5230 said:

Amathe said:

I think your expectations are influenced by WoW, where you quest in one zone and then, as you level, you go quest in an adjacent zone that is conveniently next door. Not every game is like that.   

Yes and no,
I could understand your saying this because of the theme park of WoW.  But the point is their not logging into a game or a zone but a program or a hacked into testing area for lack of a better words. Even when guest are involved, it's like they have to key them into the program.

Yes WoW is a theme park you would expect it would have a new agenda for each zone they would make that zone in a game of that type.

But still Pantheon or any other game should have a sort of soft log in instead of programmed...... I know i'm having a hard time getting my point across, but the best I can say is their "not zones" but an extremely early stage of environment.


In their In their defense I understand what they are trying to accomplish, and that's balancing classes..... Nothing wrong at all with that, but to say they have 10 zones is more like random content that would equal 10 zones of materiel. 

I see where you are coming from, but realize there is no need for them to develop their final client login UI and authentication systems as they are clearly a long ways from commercial release.

Right clicking an EXE from Explorer is a fine way to launch the client even if it means someone with developer level access has to pull them into the world. 
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Bad news is, the devs have said multiple times players will never get to see all of the content before launch, with a large portion firmly locked behind a solid NDA in order to not ruin the sense of "wonder."

Yeah, I realize it might just be part of the charade, but it could also be possible they have for more work done than has been shown to date which is still being held close to the vest.

As said in the video, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Not saying you have to believe what they say, but you have no proof they don't,  all we know is what has been made publically available to date.

Wizardry

If we are talking an .exe file then even more ...sigh

An .executable file can be opened anywhere,it doesn't change anything,no different than someone clicking a made icon on the desktop that points to the .exe file.Matter of fact you can make your own desktop icon of that .exe file if you feel the need.

As to NDA,i fully support NDA's if the reason is to keep "the wonder"the excitement of not knowing and exploration,then yeah for sure.However it is often that NDA's are used only to HIDE a game from the consumers which imo is why the LAWS should change.

Here is why change is needed.Game devs ask for free handouts to develop their game but don't want to give the people any rights other than "we let you login".Except one big problem,they are most likely PAYING to login and paying a substantial amount of money as if the game were already finished,just to ...login.

Devs should not have their cake and eat it too,if you have taken money,imo that is most certainly a sale but the laws protect ONLY one side,the developer  based on how the terms are worded.Even the other crap like "founder's packs"are trying to undermine sales laws by claiming you are not buying the game but instead purchasing a founder package.

What are we even implying anyhow,how one has to click an .exe file does not and NEVER will determine if a game is worthy or not.