Yeah you can swim faster that's not to say you cant swim at all without buyng stuff In a game with a varieaty of ships and boats like bdo this has no need at all actually
That's cool. Thanks for verifying they still sell that stuff. Now I don't have to waste time logging in with my fit, buxom, and virile lvl 56 Dark Knight. Whom, incidentally, I have carelessly neglected for many, many, many moons. She still sends me the occasional letter to inform me of the frequent lonely nights she has spent wistfully pining away without so much as a whisper, word, or indifferent shrug from my cruel and obviously heartless personage. Haven't opened the last two or three though. Hmm. Maybe I should? I'm in the mood for a good laugh.
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What's P2W on it? Is there a tournament where money is involved? Otherwise, I'm not sure what that would be.
I have enjoyed the game, and only paid the initial think 6.00 -10 or whatever Steam charged.
Taking my time enjoying the content they have, and I haven't felt the need to buy from the pearl store except for a costume that looks neat (which i haven't yet, but it's there).
I'm not seeing anything that would require me to, unless it's having to face someone for a spot but that hasn't happened yet and skill can over come things, even bought with money.
Gear has been provided via events or the ability to upgrade from daily log-ins and what you don't get from farming. Some stuff is face roll, but not all if you aren't there yet.
Guess maybe i'll face this stuff, till then I'm having fun and not finding the time to do everything.
How long have you played the game?
What is your GS - are you at softcap yet?
How much end game content have you completed?
To understand P2W in BDO you have to understand the endgame meta
But, how does the P2W for this game affected you personally? I understand the P2W for phone games, but not for MMO on a computer exactly.
What does is it in the P2W for this game that is detrimental to the game and to your experience at the end game? Besides saving you time, what does it do otherwise that affects the game?
The xp buff gets you to the end faster and some skill points faster. The money I can make from doing quest or just farming, so buying stuff on the market is no problem.
I'm just looking at what your experience with what you think P2W is in this game that breaks the game? As P2W for me is one person is stronger then anyone else by throwing out more money, when I see P2W on BDO is a matter of convenience.
That is exactly what top geared players in BDO have done.
Look at the BDO account sales - they show a full payment history - there was a lvl 63 account with 7 PENs - the account had spent over $20,000 in the cash shop.
You can literally buy $30 costumes and sell them for $330 mil silver (pre tax), and just do this to make billions and buy TETs/PENs from the market place just by simply throwing cash at the game.
It doesnt get any more P2W than this.
Spend real cash -> get in game silver-> buy end game gear.
People are like "its expensive " - remember that expensive is completely subjective- some folks can drop $1000s on games per week, many BDO players spend $300+ per month - because not everyone is broke.
Many top players have spent over $15K since launch.
P2W has become a huge issue in BDO - money determines best gear and best gear wins over skill.
So the most powerful weapon in BDO is a credit card - it wasn't like this when the game launched, sadly it's become like this
Anyone who have played BDO more than a few months will know that you havent even reached soft cap, most of the stuff you say up there is very shallow and wrong. If you reached end game and still saying that, well I have to say you have very little knowledge of the game sadly.
For example, yes a $30 costume can sell on market for $330 mil but after tax it is ~ 220 mil and you can only sell 5 a week. I can tell you that 220 mil for me takes about 2hrs of grinding or even less to get it. And guess end game gears cost billions, 220 mil gets you nothing lol. One TET armor attempt + a few TRI fails would cost you more than that. The individuals who spend thousands are present most of MMORPG, not just BDO. If you have money and want to spend on the game, let them be. Besides without people like that how can the game survive. All you want is just a free game and free everything lol, then expect it to be good.
In PVP, yes gears give you an advantage but if you suck you still get your butts kicked by somebody with lower gear score
I am sitting right now at full PEN armor/ weapon and TET accessories, played for 3.5 years and only spent only $100 on the original package of the game, used the pearls they gave on that to buy weights and slots. That is much less that what people spend on FF XIV or WOW subscription in 3 years. And I am not even a hardcore player, active in the game for only 2-3 hours max a day. Pets and costumes I got them all on market. Most of my alts even have premium costumes from buying from the market
Besides everything else, BDO has one of the best graphics and life skill systems, their are other things to enjoy more than just combats and gears. I know people who have played for 2-3 years just to do life skills and enjoy it
All games have their cons and pros, spending cash in any game will get your cosmetics and convenience. I respect your opinion for not liking the game but just going around telling people false information based on your confirmation bias is just not cool. Let people experience the game then decide for themselves. Don't like the game, don't play it and ignore it. With multiple posts of yours I have a feeling that you tried so hard at BDO and failed so hard now you are just raging to everyone.
What's P2W on it? Is there a tournament where money is involved? Otherwise, I'm not sure what that would be.
I have enjoyed the game, and only paid the initial think 6.00 -10 or whatever Steam charged.
Taking my time enjoying the content they have, and I haven't felt the need to buy from the pearl store except for a costume that looks neat (which i haven't yet, but it's there).
I'm not seeing anything that would require me to, unless it's having to face someone for a spot but that hasn't happened yet and skill can over come things, even bought with money.
Gear has been provided via events or the ability to upgrade from daily log-ins and what you don't get from farming. Some stuff is face roll, but not all if you aren't there yet.
Guess maybe i'll face this stuff, till then I'm having fun and not finding the time to do everything.
How long have you played the game?
What is your GS - are you at softcap yet?
How much end game content have you completed?
To understand P2W in BDO you have to understand the endgame meta
But, how does the P2W for this game affected you personally? I understand the P2W for phone games, but not for MMO on a computer exactly.
What does is it in the P2W for this game that is detrimental to the game and to your experience at the end game? Besides saving you time, what does it do otherwise that affects the game?
The xp buff gets you to the end faster and some skill points faster. The money I can make from doing quest or just farming, so buying stuff on the market is no problem.
I'm just looking at what your experience with what you think P2W is in this game that breaks the game? As P2W for me is one person is stronger then anyone else by throwing out more money, when I see P2W on BDO is a matter of convenience.
That is exactly what top geared players in BDO have done.
Look at the BDO account sales - they show a full payment history - there was a lvl 63 account with 7 PENs - the account had spent over $20,000 in the cash shop.
You can literally buy $30 costumes and sell them for $330 mil silver (pre tax), and just do this to make billions and buy TETs/PENs from the market place just by simply throwing cash at the game.
It doesnt get any more P2W than this.
Spend real cash -> get in game silver-> buy end game gear.
People are like "its expensive " - remember that expensive is completely subjective- some folks can drop $1000s on games per week, many BDO players spend $300+ per month - because not everyone is broke.
Many top players have spent over $15K since launch.
P2W has become a huge issue in BDO - money determines best gear and best gear wins over skill.
So the most powerful weapon in BDO is a credit card - it wasn't like this when the game launched, sadly it's become like this
Anyone who have played BDO more than a few months will know that you havent even reached soft cap, most of the stuff you say up there is very shallow and wrong. If you reached end game and still saying that, well I have to say you have very little knowledge of the game sadly.
For example, yes a $30 costume can sell on market for $330 mil but after tax it is ~ 220 mil and you can only sell 5 a week. I can tell you that 220 mil for me takes about 2hrs of grinding or even less to get it. And guess end game gears cost billions, 220 mil gets you nothing lol. One TET armor attempt + a few TRI fails would cost you more than that. The individuals who spend thousands are present most of MMORPG, not just BDO. If you have money and want to spend on the game, let them be. Besides without people like that how can the game survive. All you want is just a free game and free everything lol, then expect it to be good.
In PVP, yes gears give you an advantage but if you suck you still get your butts kicked by somebody with lower gear score
I am sitting right now at full PEN armor/ weapon and TET accessories, played for 3.5 years and only spent only $100 on the original package of the game, used the pearls they gave on that to buy weights and slots. That is much less that what people spend on FF XIV or WOW subscription in 3 years. And I am not even a hardcore player, active in the game for only 2-3 hours max a day. Pets and costumes I got them all on market. Most of my alts even have premium costumes from buying from the market
Besides everything else, BDO has one of the best graphics and life skill systems, their are other things to enjoy more than just combats and gears. I know people who have played for 2-3 years just to do life skills and enjoy it
All games have their cons and pros, spending cash in any game will get your cosmetics and convenience. I respect your opinion for not liking the game but just going around telling people false information based on your confirmation bias is just not cool. Let people experience the game then decide for themselves. Don't like the game, don't play it and ignore it. With multiple posts of yours I have a feeling that you tried so hard at BDO and failed so hard now you are just raging to everyone.
You've played for 3.5 years and only spent $100 on the game? According to some people, that is highly disrespectful to the hard-working employees of Pearl Abyss and their families. How can you rationalize paying less than $15-20 a month for an MMORPG that you claim to enjoy? Well, I mean, how can you possibly do that???
Are you truly expecting Pearl Abyss to continue crafting such Masterpieces as Crimson Desert without your consistent contributions to their Noble Cause? Shame on you.
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What's P2W on it? Is there a tournament where money is involved? Otherwise, I'm not sure what that would be.
I have enjoyed the game, and only paid the initial think 6.00 -10 or whatever Steam charged.
Taking my time enjoying the content they have, and I haven't felt the need to buy from the pearl store except for a costume that looks neat (which i haven't yet, but it's there).
I'm not seeing anything that would require me to, unless it's having to face someone for a spot but that hasn't happened yet and skill can over come things, even bought with money.
Gear has been provided via events or the ability to upgrade from daily log-ins and what you don't get from farming. Some stuff is face roll, but not all if you aren't there yet.
Guess maybe i'll face this stuff, till then I'm having fun and not finding the time to do everything.
How long have you played the game?
What is your GS - are you at softcap yet?
How much end game content have you completed?
To understand P2W in BDO you have to understand the endgame meta
But, how does the P2W for this game affected you personally? I understand the P2W for phone games, but not for MMO on a computer exactly.
What does is it in the P2W for this game that is detrimental to the game and to your experience at the end game? Besides saving you time, what does it do otherwise that affects the game?
The xp buff gets you to the end faster and some skill points faster. The money I can make from doing quest or just farming, so buying stuff on the market is no problem.
I'm just looking at what your experience with what you think P2W is in this game that breaks the game? As P2W for me is one person is stronger then anyone else by throwing out more money, when I see P2W on BDO is a matter of convenience.
That is exactly what top geared players in BDO have done.
Look at the BDO account sales - they show a full payment history - there was a lvl 63 account with 7 PENs - the account had spent over $20,000 in the cash shop.
You can literally buy $30 costumes and sell them for $330 mil silver (pre tax), and just do this to make billions and buy TETs/PENs from the market place just by simply throwing cash at the game.
It doesnt get any more P2W than this.
Spend real cash -> get in game silver-> buy end game gear.
People are like "its expensive " - remember that expensive is completely subjective- some folks can drop $1000s on games per week, many BDO players spend $300+ per month - because not everyone is broke.
Many top players have spent over $15K since launch.
P2W has become a huge issue in BDO - money determines best gear and best gear wins over skill.
So the most powerful weapon in BDO is a credit card - it wasn't like this when the game launched, sadly it's become like this
What's P2W on it? Is there a tournament where money is involved? Otherwise, I'm not sure what that would be.
I have enjoyed the game, and only paid the initial think 6.00 -10 or whatever Steam charged.
Taking my time enjoying the content they have, and I haven't felt the need to buy from the pearl store except for a costume that looks neat (which i haven't yet, but it's there).
I'm not seeing anything that would require me to, unless it's having to face someone for a spot but that hasn't happened yet and skill can over come things, even bought with money.
Gear has been provided via events or the ability to upgrade from daily log-ins and what you don't get from farming. Some stuff is face roll, but not all if you aren't there yet.
Guess maybe i'll face this stuff, till then I'm having fun and not finding the time to do everything.
How long have you played the game?
What is your GS - are you at softcap yet?
How much end game content have you completed?
To understand P2W in BDO you have to understand the endgame meta
NO, this is actually rubbish. Anyone that plays the game will know this. The game is less P2W now than it has almost ever been, everyone knows this that actually plays the game, so clearly you have no idea.
But I'm not surprised. Without fail every BDO article you seem to come and whine continually about it. The game is what is it, yes we all know you don't like it and its style, are you able to move on?
Such childish actions, but I hope they make you feel better about yourself, you no doubt need to vent for some personal reason. I tire of your continual negative, fact-less and immature comments, you're a blight on this website.
This whole thread and DMKano-bashing just shows impressively how and why the devs not only get away but are even successful with a piece of trash like BDO. P2W nowadays has not only become accepted but also even appreciated by an alarmingly high amount of players. As if the state of MMORPGs wasn't already sad enough. Anyway please keep on defending with the usual 'but you don't have to buy', 'nobody is forcing you' arguments and spend money for being able to swim in a game (seriously WTF?)
You are correct, we should all get behind the "think like Valdheim" school of thought and do exactly as you say and not use our own critical thought as to what we should and should not play. OR isn't that just being a type of lemming. So we don't play these games because you say so.
hmmm no. I just can't get behind the saving us from ourselves mentality and rather do what I want.
I believe I (as well as others) have played Black Desert and NOT spent millions of dollars. We might not be competitive but there is a lot of enjoyment to be had on one's own terms.
Because people who start telling others what not to do don't just stop at the first time. They continue. They always have a list. And it's never far enough.
Why don't we just bring back prohibition while we're at it.
edit: just looked up early video game criticism and hmmm, there's a lot of people saying we shouldn't even be playing video games. They inspire violence, sexism, a whole slew of other things. Do they have a point? Should we listen to them? or should we think for our selves and understand what the dangers are and "aren't?"
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For example, yes a $30 costume can sell on market for $330 mil but after tax it is ~ 220 mil and you can only sell 5 a week. I can tell you that 220 mil for me takes about 2hrs of grinding or even less to get it. And guess end game gears cost billions, 220 mil gets you nothing lol. One TET armor attempt + a few TRI fails would cost you more than that. The individuals who spend thousands are present most of MMORPG, not just BDO. If you have money and want to spend on the game, let them be. Besides without people like that how can the game survive. All you want is just a free game and free everything lol, then expect it to be good.
They got rid of the five items a week limit about a year ago (or even more at this point). They just didn't go out of their way to broadcast it. Right now the actual limit is 30 items a week or so if I recall.
And they have gradually slipped in more and more things like that.
Also, even when the five sales a week limit was still there, nothing was keeping a whale from buying two dozen more costumes to melt down into cron stones in addition. Financing as many enhancement attempts as their wallet can support.
As much as I love much of the game, Pearl Abyss' monetization tactics are shady as hell.
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Because people who start telling others what not to do don't just stop at the first time. They continue. They always have a list. And it's never far enough.
Well let me start by telling you that I don't have a list and usually try to be positive and comment on things I'm positive about because we have enough negativity here. BUT my criticism on the subject hasn't changed much and it is less about the game BDO and more about the payment model it is using. Maybe I should have clarified that better or even at all. To my understanding the majority of players complain about p2w yet support it by playing p2w games. Never did I tell anyone what they have to do or not. Maybe you were just referring to my snippy 'please keep on defending' comment which in retrospect I should have worded differently.
If the game has changed for the better and is 'less' (but still?) p2w now, as many commentors here say, then good on them because as I mentioned before I don't have a problem with the game itself and I think it could be good with a different payment model. Maybe they will go a different route with Crimson Desert but why should they as long as so many players are supposedly fine with how it is?
I wont be commenting on the rest you wrote because you clearly got emotional and started exaggerating with some prohibition brabble and I'm fine with that because I aswell exaggerated a bit. Let's agree to disagree.
Because people who start telling others what not to do don't just stop at the first time. They continue. They always have a list. And it's never far enough.
Well let me start by telling you that I don't have a list and usually try to be positive and comment on things I'm positive about because we have enough negativity here. BUT my criticism on the subject hasn't changed much and it is less about the game BDO and more about the payment model it is using. Maybe I should have clarified that better or even at all. To my understanding the majority of players complain about p2w yet support it by playing p2w games. Never did I tell anyone what they have to do or not. Maybe you were just referring to my snippy 'please keep on defending' comment which in retrospect I should have worded differently.
If the game has changed for the better and is 'less' (but still?) p2w now, as many commentors here say, then good on them because as I mentioned before I don't have a problem with the game itself and I think it could be good with a different payment model. Maybe they will go a different route with Crimson Desert but why should they as long as so many players are supposedly fine with how it is?
I wont be commenting on the rest you wrote because you clearly got emotional and started exaggerating with some prohibition brabble and I'm fine with that because I aswell exaggerated a bit. Let's agree to disagree.
I thought it was an apt comparison as there is always someone out there who want to tell others "what to do." You came across as telling us about the evils of playing a game like Black Desert. There are no evils. It is what it is. Just a game.
If we were sitting in a pub and having this discussion then maybe you wouldn't have come across as "telling people what to do."
but it does sound that way. I've met way too many people, both sides of the proverbial coin, who think that others should not be doing something or are somehow "less than" because they do something. Both sides
And while I'm not about to unload my wallet into a game to stay competitive, I'm ok with games allowing this as this means it's "not the game for me." But it could be the game for someone else.
I'm not of the believe that games should be for all people and that they SHOULD find their audience and cater to that audience. If that means it's hardcore permadeath/lose items then great. If that means autopathing, autoplaying, you can play with one finger then "great."
If that means that people can spend money to get ahead then "great."
All this means is that the game isn't for me if I'm to be competitive. Find by me. If these games can flourish by being "what they are" then there is an audience for it. We might not be that audience but good that it has that audience and can flourish.
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Sovrath said: Do they have a point? Should we listen to them? or should we think for our selves and understand what the dangers are and "aren't?"
..."I have no drinking problem, I have it under control".
The point is, many people can't "think" for themselves, hence people some end up like alcoholics...or armchair developers...
There have always been people who can't think for themselves. And/or sometimes they can think really well for themselves in one area of their lives but some other area is hopeless.
What can you say, not everyone can or should be saved. There could be help there for those who want it but not everyone will want it.
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If I can pay to win or pay to be more successful in a game that has PVP, then I don't like it. If you think that's cool, great. But the problem is, if people keep supporting games like that, then more games like that will be made. Which I also don't like.
I would rather pay a subscription and have skill, knowledge, experience (and the ability to form relationships with other players) be the defining factors in a PVP game. Or in a game that has some element of PVP.
However, if the game is F2P and has PVP, it would make more sense to me if it was Pay-to-progress faster rather than P2W. Because someone who works and has money to spend on the game will need to be able to progress faster as opposed to someone who doesn't work and is able to play 8-18 hours a day.
OR - A F2P MMORPG could limit the amount of things a free player could do each day. By using Stamina/Energy like a lot of Arena games do. However, a working person could pay to do more each day (like on the weekend or a holiday when he or she has time more time to play). Of course, this wouldn't keep a free player from playing different characters (either on that server or another). EDIT: Though a game does not need to allow characters on the same server to share a Bank or to be able to Mail things to each other.
EDIT: But what about people that don't work and still have money to pay for Cash Shop items? Well, the amount of additional Stamina/Energy capable of being bought each day could also be limited. Say only allowing a person to play up to 8-12 hours a day as opposed to 6-8.
An MMORPG could also have day/night cycles in which characters would have to rest for a certain amount of time during the night. (Which the character can do while the player is offline.) Though a player could choose to stay up during the night, though then his or her character would have to find some time to rest during the day. A character could actually end up being more nocturnal if the player decided. And different things could happen during the night as opposed to the day. Different mobs active, different NPCs available to interact with. Different buildings open or closed. Etc.
A paying player could opt to buy some kind of potion from the shop which allowed his/her character to stay up longer and require less rest than a free player.
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But the problem is, if people keep supporting games like that, then more games like that will be made. Which I also don't like.
...games you don't like being made is not a problem.
True. But it's a problem for me if all PVP/PVE MMORPGs being developed/made in the future are P2W. And I dare say there's a fair number of people/players who don't or eventually will not like that either.
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Ancient_Exile said: there's a fair number of people/players who don't or eventually will not like that either.
...still irrelevant.
So what are you saying? That all game studios/developers care about is whether they can get enough suckers to play and pay for their crappy games?
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Ancient_Exile said: That all game studios/developers care about is whether they can get enough suckers to play and pay for their crappy games?
...people spending money on stuff you don't approve are suckers and games are crappy because those so-called suckers like them but you don't.
/yawn
Gdemami, do you enjoy games where you can Pay-to-Win? Do you like that the amount of money in a player's wallet, the size of a player's bank account, or the available credit on a player's card is more important in an MMORPG than a player's individual skill, knowledge, and experience?
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Bdo just has the stigma of being p2w out of the 30+ mmos ive played since year 2000 its actually one of the less p2w games ive played How about converting rl cash to gold in gw2 from day one potions to put you to cap in wow as well as tokens potions to escape the storylines in ff14 the p2w in eve online I could go on and on. But no bdo is the evil lol is it because its super successful? is it because its Korean? I dont know Just don't bs that you need 15k euros to get pen you make me laugh I only spend 200 euros in 4 years and that was to buy outfits for the classes I liked If I was patient and bought them from the auction house I would have spend the (back then) price of 50 euros only everything else pets maids etc the game has gifted to me you just have to log in to collect your prizes every day or so
I don't know about other people, but I don't think I ever said/wrote that BDO was any better or worse than the other games you mentioned.
P.S. Don't forget about Neverwinter (aka Never-Pay-Enough).
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Actually swotor was worse too bad because I wanted to go back to see all the changes
That may be true. I haven't touched SWTOR for years. Nor do I currently have it installed on my computer.
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Even if everyone spend the same amount of money they still wouldn't have the same amount of time to play due to rl obligations so games will never be equal to everybody just join and enjoy the ride not caring much about what other ppl do
I repeat...
"If I can pay to win or pay to be more successful in a game that has
PVP, then I don't like it. If you think that's cool, great. But the
problem is, if people keep supporting games like that, then more games
like that will be made. Which I also don't like.
I
would rather pay a subscription and have skill, knowledge, experience
(and the ability to form relationships with other players) be the
defining factors in a PVP game. Or in a game that has some element of
PVP.
However, if the game is F2P and has PVP,
it would make more sense to me if it was Pay-to-progress faster rather
than P2W. Because someone who works and has money to spend on the game
will need to be able to progress faster as opposed to someone who
doesn't work and is able to play 8-18 hours a day..."
The remainder of my post can be found on the previous page of this thread.
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That's cool. Thanks for verifying they still sell that stuff. Now I don't have to waste time logging in with my fit, buxom, and virile lvl 56 Dark Knight. Whom, incidentally, I have carelessly neglected for many, many, many moons. She still sends me the occasional letter to inform me of the frequent lonely nights she has spent wistfully pining away without so much as a whisper, word, or indifferent shrug from my cruel and obviously heartless personage. Haven't opened the last two or three though. Hmm. Maybe I should? I'm in the mood for a good laugh.
Anyone who have played BDO more than a few months will know that you havent even reached soft cap, most of the stuff you say up there is very shallow and wrong. If you reached end game and still saying that, well I have to say you have very little knowledge of the game sadly.
For example, yes a $30 costume can sell on market for $330 mil but after tax it is ~ 220 mil and you can only sell 5 a week. I can tell you that 220 mil for me takes about 2hrs of grinding or even less to get it. And guess end game gears cost billions, 220 mil gets you nothing lol. One TET armor attempt + a few TRI fails would cost you more than that. The individuals who spend thousands are present most of MMORPG, not just BDO. If you have money and want to spend on the game, let them be. Besides without people like that how can the game survive. All you want is just a free game and free everything lol, then expect it to be good.
In PVP, yes gears give you an advantage but if you suck you still get your butts kicked by somebody with lower gear score
I am sitting right now at full PEN armor/ weapon and TET accessories, played for 3.5 years and only spent only $100 on the original package of the game, used the pearls they gave on that to buy weights and slots. That is much less that what people spend on FF XIV or WOW subscription in 3 years. And I am not even a hardcore player, active in the game for only 2-3 hours max a day. Pets and costumes I got them all on market. Most of my alts even have premium costumes from buying from the market
Besides everything else, BDO has one of the best graphics and life skill systems, their are other things to enjoy more than just combats and gears. I know people who have played for 2-3 years just to do life skills and enjoy it
All games have their cons and pros, spending cash in any game will get your cosmetics and convenience. I respect your opinion for not liking the game but just going around telling people false information based on your confirmation bias is just not cool. Let people experience the game then decide for themselves. Don't like the game, don't play it and ignore it. With multiple posts of yours I have a feeling that you tried so hard at BDO and failed so hard now you are just raging to everyone.
I can see it that way.
Thank you sir, for the insight on this.
NO, this is actually rubbish. Anyone that plays the game will know this. The game is less P2W now than it has almost ever been, everyone knows this that actually plays the game, so clearly you have no idea.
But I'm not surprised. Without fail every BDO article you seem to come and whine continually about it. The game is what is it, yes we all know you don't like it and its style, are you able to move on?
Such childish actions, but I hope they make you feel better about yourself, you no doubt need to vent for some personal reason. I tire of your continual negative, fact-less and immature comments, you're a blight on this website.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
And they have gradually slipped in more and more things like that.
Also, even when the five sales a week limit was still there, nothing was keeping a whale from buying two dozen more costumes to melt down into cron stones in addition. Financing as many enhancement attempts as their wallet can support.
As much as I love much of the game, Pearl Abyss' monetization tactics are shady as hell.
My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)
https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/Callaron/
Well let me start by telling you that I don't have a list and usually try to be positive and comment on things I'm positive about because we have enough negativity here. BUT my criticism on the subject hasn't changed much and it is less about the game BDO and more about the payment model it is using. Maybe I should have clarified that better or even at all. To my understanding the majority of players complain about p2w yet support it by playing p2w games. Never did I tell anyone what they have to do or not. Maybe you were just referring to my snippy 'please keep on defending' comment which in retrospect I should have worded differently.
If the game has changed for the better and is 'less' (but still?) p2w now, as many commentors here say, then good on them because as I mentioned before I don't have a problem with the game itself and I think it could be good with a different payment model. Maybe they will go a different route with Crimson Desert but why should they as long as so many players are supposedly fine with how it is?
I wont be commenting on the rest you wrote because you clearly got emotional and started exaggerating with some prohibition brabble and I'm fine with that because I aswell exaggerated a bit. Let's agree to disagree.
The point is, many people can't "think" for themselves, hence people some end up like alcoholics...or armchair developers...
If we were sitting in a pub and having this discussion then maybe you wouldn't have come across as "telling people what to do."
but it does sound that way. I've met way too many people, both sides of the proverbial coin, who think that others should not be doing something or are somehow "less than" because they do something. Both sides
And while I'm not about to unload my wallet into a game to stay competitive, I'm ok with games allowing this as this means it's "not the game for me." But it could be the game for someone else.
I'm not of the believe that games should be for all people and that they SHOULD find their audience and cater to that audience. If that means it's hardcore permadeath/lose items then great. If that means autopathing, autoplaying, you can play with one finger then "great."
If that means that people can spend money to get ahead then "great."
All this means is that the game isn't for me if I'm to be competitive. Find by me. If these games can flourish by being "what they are" then there is an audience for it. We might not be that audience but good that it has that audience and can flourish.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
What can you say, not everyone can or should be saved. There could be help there for those who want it but not everyone will want it.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
True. But it's a problem for me if all PVP/PVE MMORPGs being developed/made in the future are P2W. And I dare say there's a fair number of people/players who don't or eventually will not like that either.
So what are you saying? That all game studios/developers care about is whether they can get enough suckers to play and pay for their crappy games?
/yawn
Gdemami, do you enjoy games where you can Pay-to-Win? Do you like that the amount of money in a player's wallet, the size of a player's bank account, or the available credit on a player's card is more important in an MMORPG than a player's individual skill, knowledge, and experience?
That may be true. I haven't touched SWTOR for years. Nor do I currently have it installed on my computer.
Reality and common sense send their regards.