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No-Jedi Servers Poll
kaibigan34
Member Posts: 1,508
If it didnt mean killing off existing player jedi or stopping someone from getting jedi on "jedi servers" would you want SOE to set up "No-Jedi servers"?
A No-Jedi server would have everything a current server has except no FS or unlocking of jedi.
Kai
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Then you'd have to take out the BH profession, makes no sense!
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Don't click here...no2
From what the current BHs told me they havent been killing jedi now anyway. Because they stand little to no chance. And player bounties could be instigated in other areas if it were really needed.
Kai
If you're playing on a server without jedis there wouldn't be so many BHs anymore.
I think it's actually a good idea cause there wouldn't just jedis and BHs running around.
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I'm floating down a river
Oars freed from their homes long ago
Lying face up on the floor
Of my vessel
I marvel at the stars
And feel my heart overflow
Well since the CU and the new expansion i havn't been killed by a BH
Just grind on the trails with other Jedi's from my guild
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Don't click here...no2
Errrmmmmm... sorry wrong bzzzzzzt
I kill Jedi regularly Post CU... in fact... it's easier now. And when they hide on the trails (like Scara) I either have guildies find them for me or I use my informants to tell me where they've seen jedi. Or I just wait for them to come out to train. They always come out.... eventually.
Those wannabe BH's that respecced to it thinking it would be easy to kill jedi are the ones whining. The REAL BH's who know what the hell we're doing love the CU
We aren't all that fond of the fact that Jedi can hide on Kashyyk but it's not an insurmountable obstacle.
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Errrmmmmm... sorry wrong bzzzzzzt
I kill Jedi regularly Post CU... in fact... it's easier now. And when they hide on the trails (like Scara) I either have guildies find them for me or I use my informants to tell me where they've seen jedi. Or I just wait for them to come out to train. They always come out.... eventually.
Those wannabe BH's that respecced to it thinking it would be easy to kill jedi are the ones whining. The REAL BH's who know what the hell we're doing love the CU
We aren't all that fond of the fact that Jedi can hide on Kashyyk but it's not an insurmountable obstacle.
Well you must be really special and completely unique since most of the guys I talk too say its near to impossible.
Sorry dude. you say you do it regularly but I have seen it in real. I played SWG for longer then I care to count. I have done the PVP thing. I watched what a jedi can do. The other guys did everything right and still lost.
There is just too much evidence with the jedis out there now, the sploits they are using, and the majority of voices (including dev comments themselves) that shows they are just too much power for me to believe this. Maybe your just really lucky. Or you found a trick. I dunno but I just cant believe. I have seen too much this past month to tell me differently.
Kai
I wouldnt mind a permadeath Jedi server. Id renew my account for that
They would know it going in. Know clearly its a perma death server. But still they would cry and whine like the little brats they are (I bet most are 12 - 15 age range) until the developers undid it and it would just be another jedi virus infested server like all the rest.
Kai
I don't think it's a case of him being special at all. Playing both a jedi and a BH I know first hand that if a BH comes and knows what he is doing and has the right foods/equip then I am pretty much screwed, theres a certain BH template that if played correctly really can't lose to a jedi. No, i'm not going to tell anyone it most active players will already know most of it.
However, theres SO many n00b BH's around atm that you will get the impression that Jedi >>>>>>> BH but its more a case of jedi >= BH. Jedi do have a slight, and I mean a slight advantage against bh.
In group pvp however it's totally different. Number of Rifles > number of jedi.
Erm It's hard for Jedi Padawans to gridn their profession and keep out the way of BH's!
Then if a BH kill us we lose -400k xp and plus we can't get much xp soloing :S
Then on the latest publish it makes the grind 6 times harder by lowering the ammount of xp you get in a group!
Why should it be easy for BH to kill Jedi?? You should be lucky you don't have any loss of XP when killed!
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Don't click here...no2
Here is the real problem for me. Before the CU jedi were all powerful and ruled all. But if you tried to say anything someone, usually quite full of it, would say how it easy it was to kill a jedi and they arent all powerful. Eventhough everyone knew it. Because if you did actually 1 in a million chance own a jedi in a fair fight it would get the jedi on the forums posting to nerf you.
Now I see a couple of people again saying how easy jedi are too kill and yet I see no posts in the jedi forum to nerf this or that. Jedi are happy as pigs in poop apparently.
Also if someone knew how to kill a jedi easy then their best bet is to get the info out there so more can continue the fight instead of keeping it just too themselves.
I used to hunt jedi. I had to template stack also (Thought the CU fixed this. Apparently not) and would use everything to try to kill one. I think one of the biggest problems is that they are the developer pets so they can go unnoticed when they sploit compared to anyone else.
Yes padawans are easy to kill compared to a knight. Aint disagreeing. But it isnt them I am worried about. Because no matter how much you kill them eventually they are going to make it too knight then things get bad.
Create no jedi servers and I am willing to bet the subscriber base will double. Jedi are NOT the win all be of star wars. That is like saying PVP is the only thing in an MMO.
Kai
So .. in summary ... you tell us you are not good enough to kill Jedi anymore ... so no one else can be able to kill Jedi .. and so the game sucks.
LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
have fun
Erillion
No this isnt about me. Its about jedi messing up the game. The game should NOT be centered around one and only one profession. If it was Droid engineers, Dancers, etc I bet SOE would have changed it long ago. But no this is about the advertising mules, the jedi. That is all it is. When everyone was going CH the devs were quick to nerf them into uselessness. Samething with the others. But when everyone is going jedi its ok? Talk about hypocrites. Long as it fuels their advertising plans they dont mind.
Join game > Level to grind xp > Go to village> grind grind grind > become jedi > grind grind grind > now you can play the game.
And when PVP is decided on by one profession then something is horribly wrong. Did you actually like it when having a CH in your group was the sole way to win? Did it really seem great to you that the winner of a battle was the side with more TKMs? Well that is how it is and always has been with jedi ever since SOE took out perma death.
Now stop trying to make this about you or I and look at the bigger picture please. When a MMO centers around one god profession it is no longer a MMO.
Kai
The jedi arguement will continue on until the devs fix it. I dont want them to totally delete jedi. Just give us a few special servers where we can go without seeing their sabers everywhere. It wouldnt be that hard. But they wont. Why? I think because even they know if they start that it will be like a pepple down a hill. Before long it will be an avalanche and they will finally have to remove them all together.
The devs made us a promise. "Jedi will be rare." And they didnt come through with it. Just like 100s of other promises. Well this is one promise I want to see them try to keep even it means new servers.
Remember how it was before the holocrons. I loved the game back then. Yah alot of bugs and had some issues with a few professions. But it was fun. Even with the bugs. Even with Smuggler not working and commando weapons stinking. A heck of alot more fun then it is now.
Smuggler is still borked right? I didnt check them so dont know. Jedi have been given love not once, not twice, but three times. And smugglers still wait patiently.
Kai
Lemme put it this way:
Anything you knew Pre-CU is gone. Pre-CU Jedi WERE godlike and it took extraordinary luck to take one out solo or just completely catching him off guard. Post CU you CAN Take on a jedi using the proper foods and equipment and knowing your template well. It's not EASY solo but it can be done. Personally I enjoy the challenge. With 2 people Jedi are TOAST if you know what you are doing and dont make dumb mistakes. I don't care how good the jedi is.
With 3 or more the Jedi may as well just call it a day because he/she is going down.
I don't care what you've seen at the mining outpost or whatever. 99.999% of the BH's in the game currently are respec noob BH's who don't know a Scatter Pistol from a Launcher Pistol and don't understand why they're different. I have zero respect for any BH that came up post CU until they earn their stripes by getting a few knights under their belt and learning how to play their class. It's STUNNING how many of them deliberately hunted padawan because they didn't know how to play the class well enough to take on a knight. Sick really. Personally I only hunted Jedi that were over 200k and usually stuck to the 225/226k + bounties because they were a challenge.
I really don't give a rip whether you believe me or not.
I stand by this statement: Any group of 3 or more with 2 more more CL80's in it that gets wiped out by a lone jedi is just stupid and, frankly, have no business being flagged for PVP.
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Have fun
Erillion
I've been playing on and off since release, and I have to say, SWG would be a much more happier place without Jedi. Also, yes there would be less BH and their would be MUCH less nerfs..... Down with JEDI!!
I am especially mad now that they changed the bh terminals to make it really hard to group hunt jedi. I don't know how they expect us to do that since it IS just about imposible to kill a full template jedi, hell jedi are REALLY hard to kill other than padawans.
I still remember it all. First day trying to join the game but the servers were so messed up. I got into character creation twice but crashed out.
-In the beginning...-
Second day servers were up and stable. I woke up and jumped in fast. Started as a human artisan in Daeric. First thing I wanted to see was the Imp Outpost there. I love imperials. So I had to see. I picked up Novice Marksman and grabbed a CDEF. Then jumped a shuttle to the IO. Amazing. I grabbed two delivery missions to Daeric and realized I was broke. Not enough to get home. so I had to walk all the way back to Daeric.
That walk was the longest I would ever take in the game. Not in distance. But in sheer fear, excitement, etc. I started learning the basics of my future path as well. How to go around spawns and aggro ranges. Got back to Daeric and started my rather short career as an artisan. Headed south out of Daeric and, mining all the way, made it to the coast. Making stuff along the way.
-Futurepressions-
On the coast I met a jedi. Most likely a DEV. He asked me why I wasnt scared to leave the safety of the city. Then when I told him (trying to RP) fear is only a crutch, he said I must be a true explorer at heart. He then traded a robe to me and left. I still have that robe in my house on naboo. I ran back to Daeric to tell my friends.
Over the next few days I find it harder and harder to get xp for artisan. But someone tells me about paralope missions. 2k a pop in credits. More then enough to buy what I need. I also hear of the first server architect selling small generics for 20k each. So I start running missions. I get the money and head to naboo. First time I am off planet. Run to this Arch's house and he is there waiting. Also his probe droid is waiting too. I am amazed yet again. I want one. He tells me who it is and I find out the DE is there in Moenia. So I get my house and head over to him. Cost is 60k. Wow alot. But I want one.
I go back to Talus and hit the paralope missions hard. Yes I know there were bigger pay offs but hey its new. After 30 long painful missions and 4 hours I finally do it. The DE is still on but about to log. And he has my probe droid. So I head back to naboo and get it. I then travel to tatooine and mine some fiberplast. While there I get jumped by tuskens. My new droid performs great. Helping me to stop from getting ganked. I loot a rather awesome stat tusken rifle as well. Awesome at the time.
-A boy and his droid-
The droid was the best thing ever. I have him with me all the time. The next two days we get ready. Artisan stinks. Its time to traevl the right path. I had picked up scout too the past few days and enjoy the whole camping, fishing, trapping thing. So for the next few days I am sampling for resources to get the materials to make my clothes. A nice ranger green and black kind of thing. My droid always hovering near me. At this point I am also full imperial and thanks to a bug I go overt randomly. I and only a few others in the game ever got this bug. However no one ever messes with me. They have seen the power of me and my droid. And they know he always on "guard".
We run missions together as well. Going from paralope to heavy imperial missions. I never let the droid do the work though. I would keep him on "guard" just in case I got in over my head but I did most of the work. We amass enough money and I got enough gear to go on the next step. Heading to Dathomir.
-Darkness everywhere-
This was what I really wanted to see and fell in love immediately. Dathomir in all its glory. Back when it got dark. So dark you couldnt see anything beyond your personal light. My droid and I began the exploration. Tackling rancors, nightsisters, and more. Camping and fishing. I spent the next few months on Dath. Occasionally going to Endor or Dant. But the majority of it I was on Dath. Helping people get their corpses and getting paid to do it.
At one point using only a pistol, no buffs, no armor, and no droid I managed to single handedly bring down the Ancient Rancor in front of the Rancor Cave. Also it was during this time I did lose my companion. We were set on by several Graul Maulers. Too many for me or my droid to handle. He finally fell. This was during the short 3 day period where the prenerf probe droids would suffer perma death. I left it there in the middle of the "graul plains". Very sad. heh
I fought in many great battles. The Battle of Daeric that actually lasted over 2 days. Too many battles between Anchorhead and Bestine to count. Battle of Moenia, Smuggler's Outpost War, and tons more. I truly enjoyed these battles and only ever let my droid fight in one.
In fact it was I, that sparked the Battle of Daeric. I had landed there and didnt know I had popped overt again. Before I could call my droid I was slammed. The rest of the Imps, hearing this, got upset and we met at the IO. Everyone got together and went overt. We headed to the Daeric suhttleport and started our extermination. Pushing the rebels all the way back to the cloner. But we wouldnt sink to a level of gankers so we pulled back to the cantina to give them fair room. They ran to the other recruiter and flanked us. After several hours of constant push and shove I got tired and went to bed. When I logged in the next day another battle was on. I found out quickly it was the same battle. Just the players had changed out. The day after that it was still going on. And finally ended Sunday evening. Wow that was fun.
-Winds bode ill-
I wont lie here and say I was completely clean of the jedi quest. I was looking as well as others. Though not many of us were actually looking. I think only 12 on our server. But I didnt let it rule my gametime. I looked but spent most of my time having fun.
Shortly after the Battle of Daeric a message came from Dantooine that would forever change the game for me and the rest. Someone found a little box that tells amazing things. I was there. I packed my stuff up and grabbed my pets (Now a Ranger CH). While getting ready for the move a friend tells me "Brother the winds bodes ill. This will not be good." I told him not too worry. The developers wouldnt be so stupid. Things took a turn.
I wont continue because from there, the universe, becomes a blur of mindless grinding. The first saber is drawn a month or so later and everything goes downhill from there.
Kai
Why should it be easy?
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Don't click here...no2
It the difference between the masses of BH wannabees and the real BHs. The good BHs can down a Jedi Knight 50 % of the time. Using tactics, equipment and experience. The BEST tactics and equipment, of course.
Have fun
Erillion
Ok lets, for sake of arguement say your right. Lets say that a good bh can drop a jedi 50% of the time.
First how many good BHs are there? From what I saw I would say 1 maybe 2% if that. But lets be fair. Lets say 10%. 1/10th of the BH population is what you consider good. Now they can drop a jedi 50% of the time. So if every BH gets a mission and actually gets to the jedi then only 2.5% of those jedi are gonna fall. Doesnt sound too good for our Jedi Population Control Profession now does it?
Now you said using tactics. I will wholeheartedly agree here. But there is problem with all tactics. They cant be used too often before someone finds a counter. So eventually any tactic becomes moot and a new tactic has to be thought up. Lucky for us humans can think outside the box. Unlucky for us when someone does this, the jedi shout "EXPLOIT!", even when it isnt. But it usually ends up getting someone nerfed since jedi are the SWG Poster Boys.
Next you said using equipment. This is a problem also. Where does your gear come from? Other crafters. Other players. Supply and demand. Causing Population Control to have to feed off an already messed up system like the SWG economy is highly illogical. Especially when jedi and the holocron is one part of what caused the economy to go so askew. Rather an ironic turn if you ask me.
Finally you got experiance. Thanks to the developers on going nerf of anything that will defeat a jedi and thanks to people wanting to keep info close to their chests, in fear of a jedi figuring it out, all new BHs have to learn on their own. Jedi however have a great support net and talk constantly allowing them to find the best possible templates and such.
You take all three of these things a BH needs to stop a jedi and the inherent problems with each and you have the full blown problem with all jed in this game. Not to mention the fact that all the jedi loses is xp. And there is a bottom end if I remember correctly. So eventually he cant lose anymore. Plus once he gets knight he is already so dangerous it doesnt matter if he loses anymore xp. Like trying to disarm a bomb after its already gone off. Basically its like trying to stop a 5 state flood with only one spoon. Yah you will get some water but you wont ever get ahead.
Make em lose skill boxes, bring back permadeath (The single dumbest mistake SOE did next to holocrons was getting rid of PD) or some other very serious and hard hitting balance and jedi will disappear. But this is the crust of it. The developers dont want jedi to go.
That right. They need jedi. Jedi are their advertising mule. They need those screens, those videos, those newbies buying a jedi off ebay. It spreads the word. "Join SWG and go jedi!" Jump on the jedi assembly line and keep this vicious virus going.
A non-jedi server would do something they dont want. Would show new players what life was like before the jedi. Would make veterans remember life without jedi. Word would get around. People would quite possibly want more and more. Before long jedi become a second class profession. It would start with 2 servers. But they would be constantly packed. So they would be forced to open 2 more. Then 4 more. Server merging would have to happen. Before long they are down to half jedi servers. But still the non-jedi servers are swamped. Maybe more servers would have to be merged. Maybe no more. I dont know. But the developers are scared now. Anymore and they might have to admit they were wrong. They might have to lose their Precious.
Yah I know I am rambling. Just a thought. But we have to keep on he non-jedi servers. If for anything then to stop the whole anti jedi war. And allow the game to progress as it should.
Kai
I estimate there are about 5 % Bountyhunters that are skilled enough to have earned their title and good enough (especially against Jedi) to be called "true" bountyhunters. Thats all IMHO.
Not the respec wannabees, not the fad-of-the-month dabblers, not the PvE-gods (which are EXCELLENT fighters, but against NPCs, not Jedi).
Have fun
Erillion
PS: As said above. Non-Jedi servers would be a good idea. But I wont hold my breath.
I am going to reply to this post and the one in the other thread since its basically the same thing. On us getting no-jedi servers its quite possible. Just have to get organized. On getting organized its been done before but we have to form a new way to do it.
The developers, at one time, said basically "Wookies will never get armor and there is nothing you can do to make us give them armor."
The community replied with "Oh really? We can hurt you in ways you cant even imagine." and they promptly did.
Low and behold the wookies got armor. So it is possible. But you got to get enough people on the same page. That is the hard part. Next you gotta find a way to hurt them. And financially seems to be the only way since they refuse to allow protests or even negative posts about it anymore.
I have a plan. Just waiting for the right time.
Kai