Why climbing, climate, perception

delete5230

Skills such as climbing, climate, perception are because this team lacks the skills on adding real animation to do anything else.  Half the time the characters and creatures legs don't even move, they slide on ice as their moving.  The biggest animation they can come up with is a fizzle and glow balls when something has a spell cast on them. 


I could imagine the conversation between Brad and Jappa.  It went something like this :

Brad-   Lets make a game.
Jappa- I haven't touched a computer in 20 years.
Brad-   That's ok will figure it out.

This is why the main features are climbing, climate, perception (easy to type in script).  This is why it's taking so long, their relearning....... Nailed it   

Kyleran

Everything is easy to do, at least according to those who have never done it.

I mean, inventing anti-gravity, how hard can it really be?

delete5230

Kyleran said:

Everything is easy to do, at least according to those who have never done it.

I mean, inventing anti-gravity, how hard can it really be?

How about sneezing as a feature ?

Anti gravity, can never be done.... maybe resistance against gravity.

Sovrath

Why don't you ask them?

Wellspring

delete5230 said:

Skills such as climbing, climate, perception are because this team lacks the skills on adding real animation to do anything else.  Half the time the characters and creatures legs don't even move, they slide on ice as their moving.  The biggest animation they can come up with is a fizzle and glow balls when something has a spell cast on them. 


I could imagine the conversation between Brad and Jappa.  It went something like this :

Brad-   Lets make a game.
Jappa- I haven't touched a computer in 20 years.
Brad-   That's ok will figure it out.

This is why the main features are climbing, climate, perception (easy to type in script).  This is why it's taking so long, their relearning....... Nailed it   

delete5230

Sovrath said:

Why don't you ask them?

Good idea,
I should tell Jappa he doesn't know what he's doing.

Where is he ?

Nanfoodle

This comes down to how well VR develops any feature. If from starter maps they make climbing something that engages people and gets them exploring vertically. Then they have done their job. The question is not, should climb be in the game? It should be, can VR make climbing a rich and fun system? Crying about features in a game till you have played the game seems silly to me. 

As I have said in your other posts. Pre-Alpha is a stage they chuck all their ideas at a wall to see what sticks. When the core game is built, they will go to Alpha to see what players thinks is fun. If the Alpha community says that climbing sucks, it will get reworked or cut. VR has stopped taking feedback from people who are not testers just for that reason. Delete and anyone else who has not played the game, have no idea if any of their systems are fun. 

Sovrath

delete5230 said:

Sovrath said:

Why don't you ask them?

Good idea,
I should tell Jappa he doesn't know what he's doing.

Where is he ?

Go to the main forums and ask them. Isn't there a discord?

This was given on their site and maybe it's still applicable? Not up on the whole "discord" thing.

https://discordapp.com/invite/m8aUZvA

Nanfoodle

Sovrath said:

delete5230 said:

Sovrath said:

Why don't you ask them?

Good idea,
I should tell Jappa he doesn't know what he's doing.

Where is he ?

Go to the main forums and ask them. Isn't there a discord?

This was given on their site and maybe it's still applicable? Not up on the whole "discord" thing.

https://discordapp.com/invite/m8aUZvA

May even help Delete see what the Pantheon community thinks for the development. Im sure they would love to respond to Delete's feedback.  

Sovrath

Nanfoodle said:

Sovrath said:

delete5230 said:

Sovrath said:

Why don't you ask them?

Good idea,
I should tell Jappa he doesn't know what he's doing.

Where is he ?

Go to the main forums and ask them. Isn't there a discord?

This was given on their site and maybe it's still applicable? Not up on the whole "discord" thing.

https://discordapp.com/invite/m8aUZvA

May even help Delete see what the Pantheon community thinks for the development. Im sure they would love to respond to Delete's feedback.  

Absolutely!

@Delete: Since you are invested in the outcome of the game get involved. I just checked the link I posted and "yup" it still works and it brings up an "accept invite" to their Discord.

Have at it!

Amathe

So just attack someone you have never met (Chris Perkins a/k/a Joppa), about whom you know nothing, whose game you have never played, relying on "facts" you made up,  and whose forum moniker you can't even spell? I want the minute I spent reading your post back.

Nanfoodle

I made popcorn, Im sitting in the Pantheon discord channel waiting for Delete to unleash his wisdom. Nothing. No actions with his words. Little disappointed.

achesoma

From the Pantheon tenets.

• An assertion that player vs. environment should involve more than NPCs -- Engage the World!

These videos explain it perfectly.

delete5230

Nanfoodle said:

I made popcorn, Im sitting in the Pantheon discord channel waiting for Delete to unleash his wisdom. Nothing. No actions with his words. Little disappointed.

Well, I'm not doing it if your all looking at me.

The mad squirrel on a rock has spoken.... We have a lot of fun here

Jhakhm

Complaining about graphics in a game in pre-alpha? I don't think that's very productive, or conducive to a discussion.

TwistedSister77

Age of Conan had climbing skills and perception that you could put points into.  No player complaints about it that I ever came across.

Mendel

TwistedSister77 said:

Age of Conan had climbing skills and perception that you could put points into.  No player complaints about it that I ever came across.

Conan Exiles also has climbing, but as a function of movement.  You can climb almost anything.  Up.  Down.  Buildings, rocks, mountains, trees.  The falling system is pretty good, too.

But no one plays CE exclusively to climb.  It's definitely a secondary attraction at the best, something you have to do for some achievements.

ChildoftheShadows

 

Nanfoodle

Mendel said:

TwistedSister77 said:

Age of Conan had climbing skills and perception that you could put points into.  No player complaints about it that I ever came across.

Conan Exiles also has climbing, but as a function of movement.  You can climb almost anything.  Up.  Down.  Buildings, rocks, mountains, trees.  The falling system is pretty good, too.

But no one plays CE exclusively to climb.  It's definitely a secondary attraction at the best, something you have to do for some achievements.

No one will play Pantheon to exclusively climb as well. This is not a main feature. Just one part of the game. 

Wizardry

I thank you,this thread made me chuckle smile  and i been feeling a bit sick the past week.

It is good to see people still talking about mmorpg's,maybe one day we will see the genre rise to the top.I am however a realist i don't rely on dreams i rely more on facts.

It is just way too costly to make a AAA mmorpg.A super budget,a 150 man operation including outsourcing might still take 5-7 years.So how long would it take an indie team 15-20 years?So simple math says NO INDIE team will ever make a AAA mmorpg.

However there is a way said the blind man.You still need a decent budget and decent manpower and still about 2-3 years worth of work.However just imagine being able to make a AAA mmorpg that is better than anything yet in only 2-3 years.

How is this done......to prove a point,i'll let perhaps some people guess or figure it out.it involves sharing the workload,losing some of your profit margin.IMO none of the negative will matter because an amazing AAA mmorpg will EASILY make it's money back and profit a large sum.

Wizardry

It truly is funny,just imagine if some of us were interviewing these devs...lmao.No candy ass questions or ass kissing,they would likely leave after the first two questions lol.
I would be ok with that though,i would tell them on the way out to go back to making FAKE bullshit interviews with ass kissers.
Oh and before they get out of listening reach i'll throw in a ....HEY ,next time show up in your big bois pants and be ready to defend your product.

Xthos

Man, if they could only talk Delete into joining the team, it would be done this weekend!

Theocritus

Just give us fishing, better animations, and fun combat and call it good.

delete5230

Xthos said:

Man, if they could only talk Delete into joining the team, it would be done this weekend!

Joining the team ?...... Better if I run Visionary Realms.

Ill not give my resume because this is not the place for it, but lets say I've been around the block in the technical field to say I would clean house the first day.  I'm very aggressive and get things done.  It's run by a bunch of slackers, possible embezzlers. 

Resume available upon request in private message.


Done over the weekend ?........ I'm afraid not.  I honestly think this team has created a mess worst than Vanguard, without going into detail I'll leave it at that.  



I'm not going to spell check this, it's 130 am and have medical issues to solve, I would more like to go back to sleep. 

Brainy

Wonder what amazing features Pantheon will announce next before any monster or combat mechanics.

My guess is on - wait for it, Wait For It, WAIT FOR IT!!!!


Food and Drink to combat thirst and hunger. 
OH! THERE IT IS, Pantheon hits the ball out of the park again. We gotta get this into the game first.  Screw combat or monster AI or mechanics.

Gotta love those fanbois, they will trip all over themselves explaining away these stupid ideas.

Amathe

Some of these systems, like climate, trouble me. I admit to grumbling about them myself. But to be fair, you can't judge a system in isolation. I will have to actually experience it in game and in context.

I remember pre GW2 I read about the Mesmer class. It sounded awful. So unfun. Then I finally tried it and loved it! So beware jumping to conclusions about things you haven't yet experienced.