Meanwhile Publishers are making Fallout76, anthem or...
...or GTA Vice City, which was made in less than 10 months.
But you won't name this example in your list, because it'll corrupt your BS-ing, right?
LOL... Lets also compare two ambitious triple-A vs Tetris... while naming Fallout 76 and Anthem are to the point, both triple-A which were total crap, one even being reworked from ground, made by two Publishers making Billions $ per year...
Such exaggeration, Fallout 76 was never total crap, the game was enjoyable even at launch, getting better and better ever since.
Again, millions of folks may rail against it, but I'm never influenced by what the masses do, in fact odds are good that if something is popular, I usually won't like it, as I realize my tastes are peculiar.
For example, I cannot fathom how anyone can enjoy doing most anything without a sense of progression, least of all gaming.
It seems utterly pointless, which is why I ignore claims SC backers have been "playing" the game for years.
No you haven't, not until you get to keep your progress you aren't, until then, it's all just for funzies, and totally meaningless.
I also don't believe you'll be playing SQ42, released version, or SC for two to five more years easy.
Finally, you keep quoting $45, I see ships quickly selling out worth far more, someone is buying them and I doubt it's always the same three people.
Heck, if someone is only in for $45 I'd say they are not much of a backer at all really, just more of a fence sitter out in the cheap seats.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
"Speaking of roadmaps, the team finally published their roadmap for a roadmap for the long-gestating Squadron 42."
I have a project due at work this morning. Maybe I will just give them a roadmap to a roadmap.
If your boss complains about that just tell him he’s a hater and doesn’t understand projects and development. That’ll teach him. If it doesn’t, just point at other random, non related projects that were less succesful (although finished, contrary to yours) and he should get it.
Really dumb comparison since CIG/Chris Roberts are the BOSS lol
The fact that this fact is oblivious to most just shows how blindly people hate something they have no understanding just for the sake of jumping in bandwagons.
It's hilarious how Most here cry for stagnation of the MMORPG genre yet in the face of the development of probably one of the most ambitious and most innovative games in the last decades they blindly hate because they can't grasp what's happening lol
It turns this these simple Star Citizen threads where a normal "weekly
report" directed at players and backers of the game turns into a endless
circlejerk of endless pit bottom ignorance by posters who are too lazy
or too ignorant to understand the development of video-games.
"Speaking of roadmaps, the team finally published their roadmap for a roadmap for the long-gestating Squadron 42."
I have a project due at work this morning. Maybe I will just give them a roadmap to a roadmap.
If your boss complains about that just tell him he’s a hater and doesn’t understand projects and development. That’ll teach him. If it doesn’t, just point at other random, non related projects that were less succesful (although finished, contrary to yours) and he should get it.
Really dumb comparison since CIG/Chris Roberts are the BOSS lol
The fact that this fact is oblivious to most just shows how blindly people hate something they have no understanding just for the sake of jumping in bandwagons.
It's hilarious how Most here cry for stagnation of the MMORPG genre yet in the face of the development of probably one of the most ambitious and most innovative games in the last decades they blindly hate because they can't grasp what's happening lol
It turns this these simple Star Citizen threads where a normal "weekly
report" directed at players and backers of the game turns into a endless
circlejerk of endless pit bottom ignorance by posters who are too lazy
or too ignorant to understand the development of video-games.
"Speaking of roadmaps, the team finally published their roadmap for a roadmap for the long-gestating Squadron 42."
I have a project due at work this morning. Maybe I will just give them a roadmap to a roadmap.
If your boss complains about that just tell him he’s a hater and doesn’t understand projects and development. That’ll teach him. If it doesn’t, just point at other random, non related projects that were less succesful (although finished, contrary to yours) and he should get it.
Really dumb comparison since CIG/Chris Roberts are the BOSS lol
The fact that this fact is oblivious to most just shows how blindly people hate something they have no understanding just for the sake of jumping in bandwagons.
It's hilarious how Most here cry for stagnation of the MMORPG genre yet in the face of the development of probably one of the most ambitious and most innovative games in the last decades they blindly hate because they can't grasp what's happening lol
It turns this these simple Star Citizen threads where a normal "weekly
report" directed at players and backers of the game turns into a endless
circlejerk of endless pit bottom ignorance by posters who are too lazy
or too ignorant to understand the development of video-games.
Ohh no, you poked a hole in my joke and immediately went off the deep end with the standard ramble. Only thing missing is a couple of graphs, a random fan video (I kid, I kid, you already linked one like usual) and some arbitrary big number representing something different then you think. Lighten up.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Oh no, we understand what's going on with the funding and development of Store Citizen. You will, too, one day, once you separate from the cult.
Ofc you so, you got "sources" right. 90DaysTop and all that jazz, talk about cult while preaching cultish mambo jambo lol
I know you can't see it, man. You're too close to it. You're consumed by it. People with distance and emotional detachment have more perspective on the big picture. You're projecting your emotional involvement onto us. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of "haters" who post on here feel very little towards SC other than a sense of disgust at seeing others getting bilked and throwing their money away.
I know you can't see it, man. You're too close to it. You're consumed by it. People with distance and emotional detachment have more perspective on the big picture. You're projecting your emotional involvement onto us. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of "haters" who post on here feel very little towards SC other than a sense of disgust at seeing others getting bilked and throwing their money away.
I know you can't see it, man. You're too far away from it. You're confused by it. People in the outside don't understand the complexity of what is being made because all they know of game development comes from clickbait gaming news.
They are too lazy to study and research about other long lasting gaming projects, so they don't have the perspective of the players who've followed it from the inception and continuously do their research.
If you haven't experienced all the updates or don't make an effort to understand that all the technology being made specially for the scale of this game is unprecedented in the gaming world off course you'll never have the capability to understand the rest of the story.
Haters know indeed very little about the game, hence their fixation with it, because their head can't grasp the complexity of what is happening around the game, they don't understand the why so the only way to cope is anger and frustration, hence the trolling and shitposting.
Meanwhile you've probably spent more money on games you've never played than the average Star Citizen backer lol
Remember folks, if it was an easy game to make the big studios with billions of dollars and thousands of dev's would have done it by now, still, there's no competition for Star Citizen, and that's why it keeps getting better, with more players joining and breaking player & funding records every year! Rinse & Repeat
I know you can't see it, man. You're too close to it. You're consumed by it. People with distance and emotional detachment have more perspective on the big picture. You're projecting your emotional involvement onto us. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of "haters" who post on here feel very little towards SC other than a sense of disgust at seeing others getting bilked and throwing their money away.
I know you can't see it, man. You're too far away from it. You're confused by it. People in the outside don't understand the complexity of what is being made because all they know of game development comes from clickbait gaming news. They are too lazy to study and research about other long lasting gaming projects, so they don't have the perspective of the players who've followed it from the inception and did the homework. experienced all the updates and who understand that all the technology that is being made specially for this game is unprecedented in the gaming world.
Haters know indeed very little about the game, hence their fixation with it, because their head can't grasp the complexity of what is happening around the game, they don't understand the why so the only way to cope is anger and frustration, hence the trolling and shitposting.
Meanwhile you've probably spent more money on games you've never played than the average Star Citizen backer lol
Remember folks, if it was an easy game to make the big studios with billions of dollars and thousands of dev's would have done it by now, still, there's no competition for Star Citizen, and that's why it keeps getting better, with more players joining and breaking player & funding records every year! Rinse & Repeat
We are not haters at all. We are detached lookers on baffled by the nonsense that SC puts out and y'all buy it. They are like snake oil salesmen and you believe it all.
That is fine - it is a wait and see.
We didn't say it was easy to make a game. What we said it is it is hard to finish a game when there is NO defined finish line. If you keep on pushing back the point at which you say, ' This will be our product and we will work on these things later', a finished product will never be released.
I know you can't see it, man. You're too close to it. You're consumed by it. People with distance and emotional detachment have more perspective on the big picture. You're projecting your emotional involvement onto us. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of "haters" who post on here feel very little towards SC other than a sense of disgust at seeing others getting bilked and throwing their money away.
Remember folks, if it was an easy game to make the big studios with billions of dollars and thousands of dev's would have done it by now
And this is one of the major reasons we don't believe they will succeed. Thank you for pointing it out again.
And this is one of the major reasons we don't believe they will succeed. Thank you for pointing it out again.
Yeah man we've been hearing about XYZ "reasons" for not "believing" for years now lol
The thing is this is not about belief or faith but technology. And developing new technology takes time and money.
Yet, Year after year CIG has continuously developed and implemented the tech whille adding the features who once were said to be impossible.
That's the reason why Star Citizen keeps getting more updates, more players and money. It keeps progressing and most backers understand the path and the hurdles to cross it.
Between all the lazy trolls and haters who mostly bark loudly there's actually plenty gamers interested inthe game and willing to understand what the fuss is all about it, and through their own research and analysis are capable of critical thinking and seeing the big picture. Some just want a space sim with AAA graphics, other's just like to crew ships with their friends.
In the end the Game, a game will always speak for itself, too bad that most posters here are just so invested in blindly hating on it that they can't accept the game's progresses without losing face lol
People who say it can't be done shouldn't interrupt those doing it.
Or something like that.
We get it, It's only natural that in a mmorpg forum will get a lot of old timers, jaded and grumpy because they've lost all hope of finding the joy of the old days when mmorpgs were pure and every game session was filled with excitement and a sense of adventure without hand holding or gear scores lol
Ironically that's what a lot of Star Citizen players enjoy about playing the rawness of it's alpha. Not that I recommend anyone buying into it since it's not meant to provide a polished and fulfilling experience for most gamers.
And this is one of the major reasons we don't believe they will succeed. Thank you for pointing it out again.
Yeah man we've been hearing about XYZ "reasons" for not "believing" for years now lol
The thing is this is not about belief or faith but technology. And developing new technology takes time and money.
Yet, Year after year CIG has continuously developed and implemented the tech whille adding the features who once were said to be impossible.
That's the reason why Star Citizen keeps getting more updates, more players and money. It keeps progressing and most backers understand the path and the hurdles to cross it.
Between all the lazy trolls and haters who mostly bark loudly there's actually plenty gamers interested inthe game and willing to understand what the fuss is all about it, and through their own research and analysis are capable of critical thinking and seeing the big picture. Some just want a space sim with AAA graphics, other's just like to crew ships with their friends.
In the end the Game, a game will always speak for itself, too bad that most posters here are just so invested in blindly hating on it that they can't accept the game's progresses without losing face lol
People who say it can't be done shouldn't interrupt those doing it.
Or something like that.
We get it, It's only natural that in a mmorpg forum will get a lot of old timers, jaded and grumpy because they've lost all hope of finding the joy of the old days when mmorpgs were pure and every game session was filled with excitement and a sense of adventure without hand holding or gear scores lol
Ironically that's what a lot of Star Citizen players enjoy about playing the rawness of it's alpha. Not that I recommend anyone buying into it since it's not meant to provide a polished and fulfilling experience for most gamers.
Welp, I hope you guys find what you're looking for if and when SC releases. If it does and it turns out to be a great game, I'll be right there with you.
Welp, I hope you guys find what you're looking for if and when SC releases. If it does and it turns out to be a great game, I'll be right there with you.
Well that's the point, we did find it already and are enjoying play-testing and following it's development like every most backers of crowdfunded game are
anyone else also though when read the title what is the scam this week?
Only haters do so
Best scam ever produced by +500 devs and played by +1.4 million individual backers.
Meanwhile Publishers are making Fallout76, anthem or... remaster of their old game. Just LoL
$310 million, 500+ devs, about 9 years of development and all there is is some tech demo modules released and no way its all released in the next 5 years... yea id call that a scam. Sure they are making something, but the product "released" after 9 years does not pass the $310 million smell test
Yea we know... "collapse 90 days top for sure!"... back in 2015.
Prophecies of naysayer/haters are always wrong, that the most refreshing part. SQ42 entering Beta in few quarters (half of the project), SC receiving quarterly patch and ll SQ42 assets at release. All for less than a souless triple-A made by Publishers who don't care about gamer at large.
And 5 years later "90 days" was proven wrong...........wait 5 years later?
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Welp, I hope you guys find what you're looking for if and when SC releases. If it does and it turns out to be a great game, I'll be right there with you.
Well that's the point, we did find it already and are enjoying play-testing and following it's development like every most backers of crowdfunded game are
My guess is only a small portion of the backers actually bother to log in much to play test, outside of an occasional drop in to check on the progress, or lack thereof.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Let's play pretend for a minute and say Star Shitizen launches with all promised features... it still has one HUGE problem that is already baked in and cant go away... p2w. People out there have already dropped so much money on OP ships that your average Joe will stand no chance. Yes like many p2w games "you can get everything in game"... but how are you going to do that when the whales as already control the market before the game even drops??? I mean the development is almost entirely funded by whales. Even if its an amazing game through and through its already DOA for those not willing to drop hundreds to even be slightly competitive.
It's funny how Joebloeb always uses Anthem and Fallout76 like it's supposed to be an insult in every reply they make on these forums. Does he/her not even realize we hate those games too?
Of course there is a big difference with those two titles in that they are produced by triple-A publishers that have launched products, while this game is a being produced by a new studio pretending they are triple-A with no launched products under their belt. They also seem to be stuck in an eternal groundhogs day with announcements.
Speak for yourself, I love Fallout 76....
And by six months in Anthem was just fine. Not enough content, especially for its monetization plan, but a blast to play.
Funny thing though: Anthem suffered from the same sort of unfocused development that SC continues to labour under. And will continue to labour under until the top guys get forced out. Nature of the Beast....
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
anyone else also though when read the title what is the scam this week?
Only haters do so
Best scam ever produced by +500 devs and played by +1.4 million individual backers.
Meanwhile Publishers are making Fallout76, anthem or... remaster of their old game. Just LoL
$310 million, 500+ devs, about 9 years of development and all there is is some tech demo modules released and no way its all released in the next 5 years... yea id call that a scam. Sure they are making something, but the product "released" after 9 years does not pass the $310 million smell test
Yea we know... "collapse 90 days top for sure!"... back in 2015.
Prophecies of naysayer/haters are always wrong, that the most refreshing part. SQ42 entering Beta in few quarters (half of the project), SC receiving quarterly patch and ll SQ42 assets at release. All for less than a souless triple-A made by Publishers who don't care about gamer at large.
And 5 years later "90 days" was proven wrong...........wait 5 years later?
I know, that's hilarious. Five years ago when CIG was still claiming 2016 or 2017 for release. Hell, backers here were predicting late 2017 release in 2016.
IIRC correctly the Evil One's quote included something along the lines of 'Without a lot of new money....' before the 90 thing. And as I've always said, Star Citizen's marketing has always been stellar!'
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Let's play pretend for a minute and say Star Shitizen launches with all promised features... it still has one HUGE problem that is already baked in and cant go away... p2w. People out there have already dropped so much money on OP ships that your average Joe will stand no chance. Yes like many p2w games "you can get everything in game"... but how are you going to do that when the whales as already control the market before the game even drops??? I mean the development is almost entirely funded by whales. Even if its an amazing game through and through its already DOA for those not willing to drop hundreds to even be slightly competitive.
You put that much money into a game, you SHOULD get some advantage. Not an issue for me.
And anyway, once the game gets persistence, the goons who haven't died of old age will swoop back in and screw everything up for the Whale Brigade. They're far too good at that.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
I thought for sure SC would be out before Dual Universe, but nope. I predict in 5 years DU will have gone through numerous updates, probably a slight graphics overhaul and SC fans will still be here doing the same thing shouting about how no one understands game development (which btw sounds like a scripted talking point)
In other news, EVE Echos surpassed the one million "player" mark 10 days post launch. See how that works Citizens? Maybe sometime in the latter half of this decade you'll get to play a released game. But keep on testing....
Whoops, don't look now, EVE Echos now has over 4M registered users. Surprising isn't it how actually launching a playable game can garner so much interest. SC support is a bit lackluster in comparison don't ya think?
Are you surprised that Free Mobile Games reach a lot of "users" quickly lol?
Clash of Clans players spent close to 2$Billions in gems back in 2015. It is why Game publishers started turning their focus to mobile gaming, low effort high reward, Pearl Abyss bought CCP precisely to cash on the EVE mobile ofc.
While Mobile games are cool and all (I don't waste time/battery with them) to play maybe between Quantum Jumps during long trade runs, but not really "competition" to proper PC games has they aim to provide completely different experiences.
Well that's the point, we did find it already and are enjoying play-testing and following it's development like every most backers of crowdfunded game are
My guess is only a small portion of the backers actually bother to log in much to play test, outside of an occasional drop in to check on the progress, or lack thereof.
Well considering that most gamers prefer not to to deal with bugs, glitches and wipes when playtesting I'd say only the hardcore followers playtest it. That should be around 2%-5% of the playerbase. Still there's been a clear increase in the growth of the testing playerbase In the last 2 years thanks to the massive increase in performance and QoL updates along with the addition of persistence (no more wipes every patch) and specially with the addition of ingame ship buying & renting.
it still has one HUGE problem that is
already baked in and cant go away... p2w. People out there have already
dropped so much money on OP ships that your average Joe will stand no
chance. Yes like many p2w games "you can get everything in game"... but
how are you going to do that when the whales as already control the
market before the game even drops??? I mean the development is almost
entirely funded by whales. Even if its an amazing game through and
through its already DOA for those not willing to drop hundreds to even
be slightly competitive.
Will not be a problem due to the reputation and Consequences to every action + massive game area. Don't worry that whales won't care about you and as a newbie your biggest worry will be learning to take off and land without dying or committing infractions and ending up in jail
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Again, millions of folks may rail against it, but I'm never influenced by what the masses do, in fact odds are good that if something is popular, I usually won't like it, as I realize my tastes are peculiar.
For example, I cannot fathom how anyone can enjoy doing most anything without a sense of progression, least of all gaming.
It seems utterly pointless, which is why I ignore claims SC backers have been "playing" the game for years.
No you haven't, not until you get to keep your progress you aren't, until then, it's all just for funzies, and totally meaningless.
I also don't believe you'll be playing SQ42, released version, or SC for two to five more years easy.
Finally, you keep quoting $45, I see ships quickly selling out worth far more, someone is buying them and I doubt it's always the same three people.
Heck, if someone is only in for $45 I'd say they are not much of a backer at all really, just more of a fence sitter out in the cheap seats.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Yes, we can compare ANY game, that was made faster than this scam of the decade.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
That is fine - it is a wait and see.
We didn't say it was easy to make a game. What we said it is it is hard to finish a game when there is NO defined finish line. If you keep on pushing back the point at which you say, ' This will be our product and we will work on these things later', a finished product will never be released.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Surprising isn't it how actually launching a playable game can garner so much interest.
SC support is a bit lackluster in comparison don't ya think?
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Funny thing though: Anthem suffered from the same sort of unfocused development that SC continues to labour under. And will continue to labour under until the top guys get forced out. Nature of the Beast....
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
IIRC correctly the Evil One's quote included something along the lines of 'Without a lot of new money....' before the 90 thing. And as I've always said, Star Citizen's marketing has always been stellar!'
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
And anyway, once the game gets persistence, the goons who haven't died of old age will swoop back in and screw everything up for the Whale Brigade. They're far too good at that.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.