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A Complete Review from New World Preview

SephrinxSephrinx Member UncommonPosts: 94
Broad and all encompassing thoughts on the game? It needs work. A lot of work. It will not last for more than a couple weeks as it currently is. So far, it feels like a flash in the pan, quick and exciting while it briefly lasts, but over in a flash. There doesn’t seem to be any real goal for the game. Is it a PvP game? Is it a PvE game? It’s supposed to have Survival elements, but there literally isn’t a single Survival element at all in the game anywhere to be found.
What’s the point of the game? Are we supposed to grind enemies and zerg around the map in a deathball? Why do we Pvp? What do we PvP for? I don’t really see any end goal or purpose for the game, or what it’s supposed to be overall as an MMO. I don’t really know how to categorize it, it’s “unique” but for all the wrong reasons. It feels like they took all the interesting systems from other games, but implemented them in the worst way, and just threw them together with no real rhyme or reason. They don’t seem to function well as a whole, or even individually for that matter. I want to like the game, I really do. It’s gorgeous, the music is amazing, the audio is top notch. Other than that though, there’s nothing there. It’s a beautiful shell, but the shell is hollow, empty, and void of life.

> Thoughts on Combat

 Overall, the combat is very bland. It's far too simple, there is little room for skill expression or potential for interesting plays with combinations of attacks, abilities, or movements. There are many problems which stem from various different aspects of the game in relation to combat, but I'll try and be as detailed and in depth as possible. These are pretty sweeping and broad ideas that I'm going to throw out here, and I'm not sure which order to put them in to be the most easily digestible and understandable. I'm not saying my ideas are perfect, or that all of them should be implemented, but something definitely needs to be changed about the combat. All of the numbers and what not are completely made up, so please don't say something like "That doing X damage or draining Y stagger is broken and overpowered. People would just Spam Z or W. " Let's just pretend for a moment here, establish some verisimilitude, and imagine a world in which these systems and numbers are all well balanced and functioning. So, let's begin.
In the words of Rich Cambpell, https://clips.twitch.tv/AliveRockyYogurtBabyRage

1. Movement. The movement is extremely wonky and slow, feeling very clunky and unresponsive, especially when wearing heavy armor. It feels like you're trudging through peanut butter or cold honey. There is no elegance or fluidity. The movements have far too rigid and stiff feeling. Attacking locks you into place entirely, making it feel worse. While in the process of an attack, you cannot move, making the animation locking feel even more exacerbated. You should be able to maintain momentum and inertia while moving, and making attacks should feel smooth and responsive, making you feel like you're controlling the characters actions and having a smooth seamless transition between attacking, standing, moving, or jumping. Say you're side stepping while you attack, you should not suddenly stop moving - attack - and then go to standing, you should keep moving slightly, even if it's only half the speed. Also, jumping should take like, 10% of your stamina, not half, but that's for later.
 While running forwards and releasing the movement key,  you should not stop suddenly, there should be a brief couple of steps to slow you and catch your stability for example, and not suddenly stop moving entirely. There doesn't seem to be any sort of movement weight or momentum, and it all feels far too mechanical and robotic.
 While moving and attacking, you should maintain a bit of the movement. Moving forwards and attacking you should keep advancing, as you currently do, but... the hitboxes need to be fixed and adjusted, because I constantly feel like I'm missing attacks that shouldn't miss. I don't know if the melee attack range is just really that low, but it feels like my character doesn't have arms and that I'm swinging from my chest. The animation and attack hitcones need to be touched up, they feel very inaccurate, more on this later.

2. Stamina. Attacking should take stamina. Light attacks taking less, heavy taking more. Dodging should take stamina, as it does, and blocking should take stamina, as it does. You should be rewarded for making well timed strikes, rewarded for making well timed blocks, rewarded for making well timed dodges, and punished for just mashing left click.
 When attacking, there should be a small ui element, what comes to mind when thinking of this is the "Active Reload" from Gears of War. A meter or bar with a spark on it that moves, and clicking Attack at certain points will change the outcome and future string of the attacks. Landing a hit outside of the "Timing" zone would do slightly less damage and increase the stamina that the attack takes. Repeatedly failing to strike accurately should fatigue you and slow your attacks and movement, while landing well timed or Perfect Strikes would yield reduced stamina usage or faster successive attacks. I envision a total of 3 areas. Fumbled attacks, Well Timed attacks, and Perfect Strikes. Perfect strikes yield the most beneficial reward, Well Timed consume normal stamina and deal normal damage, while Fumbled attacks do less damage and consume more stamina.
 As an example here, everyone will start out with 100/100 stamina. Base stamina regeneration would be 2 stamina ever 0.25 seconds (8 per second, but more smooth) . Stamina regeneration could be increased by certain stats, talents, and abilities, or even give you more maximum stamina. Perhaps Focus could factor into this, giving you more build variety. Do you spec into more Strength/Dex for stronger attacks, or Focus for sustained assaults? This could provide some interesting variation in builds.
 Light attacks, depending on the weapon, would require from 6 Stamina (Daggers), to 14 Stamina (Great Hammer), and Heavy Attacks require 10 (Dagger (But daggers don't exist! More on that later)) to 25 (Great Hammer). Dagger requires the least amount of Stamina, and Great Hammers require the most. Jumping should take maybe 10-20% of your stamina. Not sure if it should be a flat amount or a percent based, but the current amount of half your stamina is wack yo.
The stamina requirement would be based on the speed of the weapon, within range, so that the "faster" great hammer attacks won't burn through more stamina while dealing less damage per hit. There is balance to be found here that can be fine tuned to each weapon type.





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  • SephrinxSephrinx Member UncommonPosts: 94
    3. Stagger. Stagger should not be applied every time you're hit. Each character should have a "Stagger Threshold" that is required to overcome in order to stagger the character or break their guard. Light attacks should have a small amount of stagger application while heavy attacks taking more stamina and apply a larger application. Landing a heavy attack rarely happens outside of your opener as a Melee weapon user, and should deal much more damage than it does currently. For example my Light attack will do 380 damage, but the Heavy attack will do 440, it's just not worth it to ever bother to do. You should be able to properly block attacks as well, timing them correctly in order to open up an attack of opportunity on the enemy and retaliate with a strike against them.
     As an example, you're attacking someone with 25 constitutions, wearing light armor, and no skills/items to increase their stagger threshold. In order to stagger them, you would need to deplete their Stagger bar, which would be a maximum of 50+Constitution, so 75. You regenerate your Stagger threshold at say, 10 per second,  
    Let's say that a light attack applies 10 Stagger, a Heavy attack applies 30, and say, Shield Bash would apply 40. The Stagger Threshold would be based on the players Strength, Armor Class, and Health pool. Rapidly striking someone with large stagger application attacks would stagger them more quickly and leave them vulnerable to attacks, requiring you to manage your own Stamina while using your attacks, and they must use their stamina to avoid or block the incoming assault. Different abilities would have different stagger ratings, such as the Shield Charge being a guaranteed Stagger/Knockdown if the target is hit. In order to become "Staggered" a base value of 100 stagger must be applied to cross into the Stagger threshold, at which point the next blow would stagger the target. Hitting a vulnerable player with a Heavy Attack would cause severe stagger similar to a knock down, while a light attack would be the usual stagger. Investing in high strength, constitution, and armor would make you much more resilient, requiring far more greater of an assault in order to stagger you. You'd of course be sacrificing damage and mobility for being more resilient than someone who is in light armor using Dex based attacks, for example.

    4. Left Click Spam. It has got to go, now. There should be a reward for timing your strikes appropriately and not just ravenously smashing the left click button as fast as you can. Adding in Timed Strikes to grant you additional effects, increased efficiency of stamina drain, increased damage, faster swings, or other perks and benefits that could be implemented through skill trees would make the combat much more interesting and exciting, as well as making it feel way less tedious and mindless. For example, swinging the sword at the right time three times in a row would cause the next strike to be a heavy strike which attacks 50% faster than a normal heavy attack, and apply additional stagger. Investing into certain areas of skill trees that don't yet exist, but very well could, could cause any plethora of effects when timing attacks correctly. From stamina recovery, a slow effect, a bleed effect, increased movement speed, etc. The imagination is the limit here.
    Speaking of Left Click... While holding right click to block, depending on your weapon/shield, you should be able to perform a Shield Bash/Push, a parry, counter attack, or a feint.

    5. Animations. Animations are far too long and cumbersome in this game. It feels like I spend most of the game in combat fighting against my character, trying to gain control of my attacks and swings, rather than fighting the enemy.
     This is the current attack animation process: |Swing ----Hit ---------------Recover|
     It should look something more like this:           |Swing -------Hit-----Recover|
     The animation locking and the inability to cut off the "end" portion of animation makes the combat feel extremely sluggish and overbearingly slow. There is no flow, no fluidity, and no room to perform interesting or fun combos of attacks. I'm not saying there should be wack levels of animation cancelling, but there needs to be something changed about this.
     Accurately timing attacks, getting perfect strikes, and being a better player should be rewarded and encouraged.
     Timing a perfect attack could look something like this.
     \|Swing ----Hit---PERFECT!|Swing----Hit---PERFECT!|
    etc, shaving off some of the animation recovery that seems to take a thousand life ages of man.
     The amount of time stuck in animations is far too long. I don't feel like I'm really in control of my character most of the time and it's really frustrating.


    6. Enemy AI. Hoo boy, where to begin. The enemies AI in this game is god awful. Every single enemy follows the exact same attack pattern, regardless. A skeleton will always attack once, wander, then strike twice, while doing a dash back in between. A Lynx will always attack, dash back, then dash attack, repeatedly. I have not found an enemy that has a variable AI that reacts or performs different attack strings, they're all the same. Not only this, but they will sometimes just stand there, or wander, or run away for whatever reason. Their movements are very sluggish and glitchy sometimes as well, occasionally sliding around and rubberbanding.

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  • SephrinxSephrinx Member UncommonPosts: 94
    7. Hit boxes, desync, and immunity frames. How many times have I clearly hit something, only to have it hit me instead with a near instant attack animation? Boy, if I had a penny  for every time that happened I'd have like, a lot of dollars. Enemies should not ever under any circumstances be immune to damage or strikes that would otherwise hit them. If I land my swing cone on an enemies hit box, it should register as a damaging hit. They should not have any immunity frames at all, it feels terrible and makes combat even more unfun. It makes the game feel unresponsive and laggy, when you hit something and you know you should have hit them but nothing happens, it's an awful feeling.

    8. There simply aren't enough attacks. I don't mean "abilities" (which, there aren't enough of those either, but this is kind of in tandem with that issue.)
     Every weapon has the same 2 light attack swings, the same single heavy attack swing. You should be able to perform as default, with every single melee weapon, a running strike, leaping strike, running leaping strike, a sidestep/dodge strike, lunging/thrusting strikes, every single melee weapon should also be able to make a riposte/parry.
     The fact that you have to spend talent points in order to get a running attack is beyond absurd. There aren't enough attacks, it makes the combat feel repetitive, boring, and makes me want to avoid combat simply because it's not fun spamming the same Light Attack 200,000 times in a row all day.
     The types of attacks should be influenced by your character's movement, and which attack type you're making, be it Light, Heavy, or a R+L click attack varied by your weapon type.

    9. Weapon Trees. No, not trees that bear weapons as fruit (although... unless?). The weapon skill trees are simply put, a tragedy. A complete abomination of sadness and sorrow that consumes my waking soul as I type this up. They are boring and bland. There is nothing interesting about them. The sword is complete garbage compared to the hatchet. Literal immunity? Literally cannot die? Like, what is even going on here? They all need to be completely reworked and made to be interesting. Double the level cap for weapon skill trees and make them twice as expansive. There is nothing to get excited about in any of the skill trees other than the Hatchet godmode ability.

    10. Magic. I don't even know what to say. It's just so bad. There needs to be much more magic. It's way too clunky and awkward to use.

    11. Not enough variety. I know, I know, "It's just a preview!" they'll shout into my ears as if they were a grand concert hall. I'm aware of that. I cannot stress the point enough that there needs to be *far more* weapons in this game.
    There are not nearly enough weapons in this game. As of writing this, there are 3 melee weapons. 2 ranged weapons. 2 staves... You can't even dual wield the only two one handed weapons in the game. There needs to be more. Many, many more.
    Here are some; Daggers, Short Swords, Rapiers, Cutlass, Foils, Knuckles, Flails, Whips, Javelin, Trident, Glaives, Maces, Hammers, Sceptres, Spears, Halberds, Greatswords, Greataxe, Shortbow, Crossbow, Pistol, Shotgun/Blunderbuss
    It doesn't take much to make an interesting skill tree for them, and if in conjunction with player based skill trees they wouldn't even need to be that expansive.

     You should also be able to dual wield, and use a shield with any melee weapon. The shield should NOT be tied to the Swords skill tree, that's like, comedy gold medal levels of heinous.



    >QUESTS

    I think this is enough about the combat, if I think of something else, I'll come back and edit it. Let's move on to the next point of order, quests.

    The most accurate representation of the questing in the game, https://clips.twitch.tv/SnappyHealthyToadKappaPride - Asmongold "elequently" shares his opinion on the questing in New World, which I cannot agree with more, it's absolutely spot on.

    The quests in this game are god awful, bottom of the barrel, complete gutter tier. I cannot stress that enough. The quests themselves are repetitive, boring, and annoying. There are 2 varieties of quests that I've encountered in this game so far.
    1. Go kill X, loot Y. That's about 85% of all the quests. Sometimes it’s to kill 3 Wolves and loot 5 Chests. Sometimes it's to kill 30 Zombies and loot 12 chests. There seems to be no real rhyme or reason as to the amount needed.
    2. In fact, I can't really think of any other type of quests. Maybe the "Make me a X" - such as a Distilled Corruption Tincture, but that was more of a one off type of quest. There isn't really any variation in the quests so far, I'm level 30, and it's all the same stuff. Go loot X, Y and/or Z. Such as the ones where you need to walk around 3km from point to point in order to loot a single chest and then return to the quest giver.

     The quests would be slightly more tolerable if there wasn't 40 minutes of walking between, before, and after each quest. It just simply takes far too long to traverse the map from point to point. The travel time needs to be cut down, we need mounts, and we need them by, say level 10 ish. Perhaps when we pick our faction we're also given a mount that will increase our movement speed by 80-100% or so. I feel like I'm spending 80% of the game playing a running simulator rather than actually playing the game. The travel wouldn't be so bad, if there were interesting things to find while traveling. Most monuments are the same, copy/pasted towers and ruin structures and such. There are some that are unique and different, but there is no real reason to explore or search them, which ties in with another issue. There is no interesting loot, but I'll get to that in a bit.
     There needs to be more interesting rewards for quests, which also ties into my next bit. There isn't enough of a reward or motivation to go do quests, because they all are absolutely terrible and unfun, and the return of taking 25 minutes to walk across the map and kill 6 wolves and then walk back is just non existent.
     More variety is needed ASAP. It's 2020, Amazon Game Studio has what I believe to be a nearly infinite budget. I don't know what is going on at the AGS HQ but there seems to be some incredible incompetent mismanaging of time and resources. There is zero imagination in any quest, there is zero interesting methods of executing the quest, there are zero different methods of conveying the quests and there is nothing new, unique, or exciting about the ways the quests are meant to be completed, how the interact with the world as a whole, or how they're integrated into the game.
     Just running around killing and looting the same mobs from level 1-50 is not fun. Which is another point, the variety of enemies in the game, discussed later. There needs to be more of a defined and understandable reason for us to be doing quests in the game, it feels very meaningless for the most part and I have no real idea what we're doing them for other than "Traveler, do this random task for some pittance."
     The rewards for quests are seemingly nonexistent. You sometimes get a LOOT CRATE item reward which is just RNG pull an item out of the hat, some exp, and a tiny bit of coin. That's it. You get a little bit of reputation with the faction, but I don't really see the point in that honestly, it doesn't have much of an effect, the only thing that seems useful is increased gathering speed.

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  • SephrinxSephrinx Member UncommonPosts: 94
    edited August 2020
     When questing there is no sense of danger, risk, or need to survive. Even if you do somehow manage to die, it doesn't matter. You just respawn at town. I've actively been using this as a means of fast travel. Once I'm done with a quest, kill myself, spawn at town. Easy clap, free teleport home, GGWP. I also use suicide as a way to gather materials until I'm well over encumbered, die, then res at town. Might want to look into this stuff. Maybe require you to get back to your body to get your stuff or something, idk.
     The quests aren't interesting. They're all the exact same thing, in the exact same areas, in the same scenery, with the same enemies, with the same rewards, with the same requirements (save for the number of X/Y). The quests need to be completely redesigned from the ground up in nearly every way. I have absolutely zero interest in them and they do nothing in a fun, exciting, or rewarding way.
     Also, the quest (J) Journal interface is horrid and does not have nearly enough information, we should also be able to track like 8 quests or so at once. If I'm out running around for 2 hours in order to complete 6 quests, I'd like to not have to open up the map and pin new quests. You should also be able to share your quests with your party, and the quests should have a level range on them. So many times I'll be sent on a quest, walk 1.5 kilometers, and be met with mobs much higher level than I am, sometimes also coming across enemies less than half my level. I don't understand it and it makes no sense. We need more information on the quest panel interface and quests in general.

    > ITEMS

    The loot in the game is all the same, boring, uninspired items. A "LEGENDARY" item doesn't even really do anything legendary. It has 35% more Durability, converts 30% of the damage to Fire, and that's it. I had had 2000/2000 repair scraps since like, level 15. Durability should not be a stat. If there is a durability stat, it should instead be "Item is indestructible," because durability has never been an issue at all at any point.
    There is nothing to get excited about or happy about when finding an item.
    "2.5% less damage from X"
    "25% increased durability" etc
    The only good item stat is "Deep Pockets" - encumbrance seems to be one of the most vital stats in the game, as it's the most limiting and restricting in the overall gameplay.
    Where are the interesting and meaningful stats, effects, attributes, perks etc?
    Every sword is a sword is a sword, that's about it. The higher the damage, the better. The only stat that seems to matter on items are Defense, and Damage. It's a terrible system. I cannot ever see myself, and haven't yet, been excited for any item drop or item that I've crafted. Nothing about them is interesting or fun, nothing about them makes me think, "Which item should I use? Which will benefit me more, overall?" My choice in this regard always dwindles down into "Deep pockets? Equip. To hell with everything else, there's no point in the garbage 2.5% Slashing absorption.
    Gear needs a total overhaul. If you're wearing all Heavy gear, you should get a boost, based on the armor tier. Example (Heavy armor)
    Defensive Heavy Armor.
    Tier 1: 50 Health, 3 Strength, 5 Constitution. Increases your Stagger threshold by 20.
    Tier 2: 120 Health, 7 Strength, 10 Constitution.  Increases your Stagger threshold by 30.
    Tier 3: 300  health, 12 Strength, 15 Constitution.  Increases your Stagger threshold by 40.
    Tier 4: 550  Health, 18 Strength, 22 Constitution.  Increases your Stagger threshold by 60.
    Offensive Heavy Armor.
    Tier 1: 20 Health, 7 Strength. Increases the stagger you apply with Heavy Attacks by 10%.
    Tier 1: 60 Health, 12 Strength. Increases the stagger you apply with Heavy Attacks by 18%.
    Tier 1: 100 Health, 20 Strength. Increases the stagger you apply with Heavy Attacks by 25%.
    Tier 1: 175 Health, 28 Strength. Increases the stagger you apply with Heavy Attacks by 35%.
    (Of course, these are just examples, don't' jump down my throat about them.)
    There needs to be vastly more modifiers for items. The effects such as Whirling Blade cooldown are a good start, but still very underwhelming and leave me wanting more stuff along those lines, rather than just basic, plain, boring "3.5% Magical damage absorption" type stuff.
    There should be modifiers that can be targeted and deliberately obtained on items, through crafting, that increase damage with specific weapons (example: Attacks with swords deal 3% more damage. Attacks with swords have a 20% chance to impale the target, dealing 25% additional damage over 6 seconds. Perfectly Timed heavy strikes regenerate 20 stamina over 10 seconds.) There are a lot of things that can be done here. Increases to block recovery, stagger recovery, movement speed, animation speed/attack speed, stamina recovery, health recover, maximum health, mana recovery, max maximum mana, increased stagger threshold, increased stagger damage, farther arrow/bullet range

    Resilient: Increases your Stagger threshold by x-y.

    Stalwart: Increases your Stagger recovery by x-y per second.

    Knights: Increases your Block speed and block recovery time by x-y. (The time which it takes to raise one's guard, and recover from blocking a blow).

    Hares: Increases your movement sprinting speed by x-y%.

    Zealous: Increases your Action speed by x-y%.

    Soothing: Increases your Mana Regeneration rate by x-y%.

    Acolytes: Increases your Maximum Mana by x-y.

    Kings: Increases your total health regeneration by x-y%.

    Steadfast: Increases  your maximum health by x-y.

    Falcons: Increases the range your arrows fly before dropping off by x-y meters.

    Ferocious: Increases the damage of your Heavy Attacks by x-y%.

    Relentless: Increases the damage of your Light Attacks by x-y%.

    Tigers: increases your Stagger damage by x-y%.

    Evasive: Reduces the Stamina cost to block, parry, dodge, or counter by x-y.

    Athletes: Increases your maximum Stamina by x-y.=

    Invigorating: Increased Stamina Regen rate by x-y per second.

    Precise: Perfectly times Heavy Strikes regenerate 20 Stamina over 10 seconds.

    Keen: Perfectly timed Light Strikes regenerate 6 Stamina over 10 seconds.

    Alchemists: Increases the effects of Potions, Tinctures, etc on you by x-y%.

    Gluttons: Increases the effect of Food buffs on you by x-y%, and increases their duration by 10 minutes.

    Dancers: Performing an evasive attack (Dodge attack, counter attack, feint attack, riposte, etc) grants you x-y% increase movement speed for 3 seconds, and grants you z-d Stamina over 3 seconds.

    Bulls: Shield Bash attacks cause x-y% more stagger, and increase your stagger threshold by 10 for 3 seconds.

    Murderers: Killing an enemy grants x-y% movement speed for 10 seconds, and recovers z-d stamina over the duration.

    Of course, there are also loads more options, just throwing these out off the top of my head as we go.
    More simplistic, boring, stats.

    Swordsman's: Increases your damage with swords by x-y%.

    Gunners: Increases your damage with Guns by x-y%.

    Behemoths: Increases your damage with axes by x-y%.

    Assassins: Increases your damage with Daggers by x-y%.

    Etc, you get the point on these basic weapon specific damage increases.

    Sages: Increases your Intelligence by x-y.

    Monks: Increases your Focus by x-y.

    Bastions: Increases  your Constitution by x-y.

    Contenders: Increases your Strength by x-y.

    Wolverines: Increases your Dexterity by x-y.

    Spellwarding: Reduces magical damage taken by x-y%.

    Bladewarding: Reduces damage from physical attacks by x-y%.

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  • SephrinxSephrinx Member UncommonPosts: 94
    The weird crafting stuff can stay, it's fine, but it seems entirely pointless and out of place. I don't really know why anyone would want to, or enjoy, swapping their gear in order to craft something. Seems so arbitrary.
    Items desperately need some identity on them, and something that makes them unique, fun, and a reason to equip one item over another that impacts your choice as a player.
    > Crafting

    Crafting is far too simplistic and boring. I'm not asking for a mini game like crafting system such as FFXIV, but just clicking "Item - Amount - Craft" isn't fun. Thank god it's instant though, the amount of time sink this game currently provides, mostly in part due to the traveling between quests, is quite extensive.
    There should be *far more* crafting options, tons more items to craft, such as armor and weapons, tools, etc. Maybe when you show us the mounts there can be a mount specific profession, to create saddles, barding, horseshoes, etc to better upgrade your mount. There is simply not enough interesting stuff to craft. Nothing is interesting to craft, it's just.. basic items. I'd wager this is due to the fact that there are no interesting stats on items. Using additional reagents to attempt to sway the result of an item is decent, but it's still too rng based. You need to be able to sit down and say, "Ok, so I want a piece of heavy armor that provides me with more Stagger threshold, and maximum stamina." and you should be able to go to the crafting station and craft it. No ifs ands or buts.
    You should also be able to find recipes for specific items, and be able to make item sets which have similar attributes and traits on them. Not like "Diablo 2" style sets, but just an ensemble of gear that goes together and has synergy amongst itself.
    Also something that is very annoying, when selecting an augment for  your item while crafting, have there be a "Hide un-owned" option so you can browse the augments you have, without having to look through the entire list.
    There also should be a profession dedicated to creating these augments, and a way to enchant gear for additional effects and perks. I'd happily have deep pockets on every item please :)

    Overall, crafting is very rudimentary, it feels rushed and poorly thought out. It should be much more rewarding to craft items, and less of a slog. I had to craft SO MANY items to level 24 Armoring it's insane. I spent most of my time so far farming iron, leather, and cloth in order to level it. Meanwhile I randomly hit up the cooking station and cook random stuff and I'm level 40+ cooking. There is a massive discrepancy in the experience needed/received for upgrading certain professions. That needs some more tuning as well I think.

    > PVP

    PvP in this game was supposed to be the core, the backbone, and the lifeblood of the beast. Unfortunately, that's not the case. The entire game has been 180d to the opposite direction and the main function of the game was entirely removed. PvP doesn't really have much of a purpose it seems. You can go PvP, or you can just not and you don't really lose out on anything. You can do PvP quests, but why? Just to get that bar filled up and possibly declare a war? To what end, and what purpose? Why do you want to own a territory? What is the point and reason behind it? Just to gain a little extra gold from taxes, a pittance to a kings cup? Seems pointless overall.
    There is no punishment or risk for dying in PvP. You just respawn. Thanks for the free port, gents! My bags were getting full anyway. The PvP quests are absolutely by far even worse than the regular quests. "Go walk 2.8km and stand there for 100 seconds, then walk another 1.12km and stand there for 100 seconds, etc." Don't forget "Go do the same quest you've been doing this entire time, but do it on PvP!" Wow, such an interesting design.
    There needs to be a drastic overhaul to the PvP system. It needs a reason, purpose, and meaning to engage with it as a system overall, and as a player.
    There needs to be quests to kill players.
    When you kill players in PvP, you should be able to take a portion (say 10-20%) of their gold and their Faction Tokens. This would be good for the economy as it would drive sales through the roof. Rather than people carrying around bags of money on them, they would invest into the economy and trade goods. It would give a greater value to, say Orichalcum Ingots or whatever. Going out to do some PvP Quests? Cash your gold out and buy some ingots or materials.
    There also could be incentives to take these materials elsewhere and sell them for a profit. It would influence the economy in interesting ways.
    You should also drop some random items when you are killed in PvP. People cry about full loot - look, I get it, not everyone wants to lose their items  - but there needs to be some sort of penalty for dying in PvP other than "Oh well I'll just respawn, no big deal."

    > PVE

     PvE seems to be rather lacking in this game as well. As far as I'm aware, there are no dungeons, no raids, no instanced combat outside of the Sieges, and that one fight against that Spriggan. That's it.
     The bad PvE is compounded by the fact that there are only a handful of enemies in the game. I'm level 30, and the only things I've seen are A) A handful of animals (Boars, wolves, Lynx), B) Some undead (Zombies, ghosts, skeletons), C) Those weird bat things. That's it. I'm not asking for the entire game to be thrust into a high fantasy setting with dragons and such, but there's got to be more variety and what not with more different types of enemies to be found, more often, and more of them. People claim that "You just have to look for them! They are there!" I'm not saying that they don't exist, and that there aren't a couple different varieties here and there. I'm simply saying there needs to be more of them, more often, and more varieties among the different "genres" of enemy.
    Considering the fact that we're magically ported into some magical land with spirits, demonic forces (corruptions?), magical spells, spectres, tree-encrusted elk, etc, that the game is already in a fantasy setting. There is tons of room for more additions in that regard.
    The questing is not lending any help to this absolutely abysmal gameplay loop (literally loop in some cases) of running in circles several km at a time and doing the exact same thing all day.
    If you want this to be a PvE game, there needs to be PvE content, and not some watered down nonsense that we currently have. I could make many suggestions, but I don't think that I really need to. Nor do I think it wise for the health of this post.


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  • SephrinxSephrinx Member UncommonPosts: 94
    > Guilds

    What's the purpose of a guild outside of a bit of tax money from owning a property? You don't need to be in a guild to do anything, and they don't really provide any sort of benefit or interesting changes to the game. So, what's the point exactly? They seem just randomly thrown into the game.
    Why are there no Guild quests? Weekly/Daily guild quests that reward everyone in the guild with some crafting materials or something.
    Craft 20 Iron Swords, 15 Iron Shields, 10 Muskets and 10 bows. Once you've crafted these items, bring them to jimmy joe bob the dude man. Random numbers for these quests, just to demonstrate an idea here. Once you complete the quest, everyone gets a large amount of Area Standing wherever the quest was, you get Faction Tokens, a small amount of gold, and some more crafting materials in return for the "next order."
    There are so many interesting and fun things that guilds could do in order to engage the players and get them involved with the game and the economy as a whole. The guild system just seems so lacking.
    There should be Guild vs Guild PvP outside of Sieges. You should be able to declare war on specific guilds, flagging them permanently for PvP at all times (Save for cities of course), which would also flag you against them. Killing X of that guild would grant you standing and progress towards that territory, while diminishing theirs. In order to declare war on a faction they must have at least 10 players above level 20 in the guild, or other stipulations to avoid griefing new guilds and lowbies, but apparently that was too hard to do since the entire game was changed from a PvP game at the drop of a tear.

    > Factions

    Factions need a lot of work. I don't even know what they are. Why they exist. What they're for, or what their goals are. Outside of the initial 2 paragraph introduction of them, there is nothing else mentioned and they're just kind of forgotten about. They just seem to dictate the color of your PvP flag or whatever.
    In all honesty I don't think the factions serve any functioning purpose. The game should be based around players fighting players, guilds fighting guilds. Although I don't really quite see the purpose of the pvp in this game, which is another issue.
    Factions need to have something more interesting to do. The quests they give you are absolutely god awful horrendous. No, I'm not going to walk 2km to kill 3 boars and come back for a slap in the face worth of "rewards."

    > Exploration

    The exploration in this game is a mixed bag. The areas are beautiful, the scenery is great, and the audio is top notch. Sadly, that's where the positives end in this regard. There is no reason to ever explore. You will never find something cool, you will never encounter something interesting or exciting. Everything is, mostly, the same reused enemies, the same reused structures, and the same reused assets over and over ad nauseum.
    Why have I not stumbled into a mine system and gotten lost for 2 hours just exploring it? Well, even if said mine existed, I'd have no reason to go in and check it out. Why? Because I know I'd walk in and wipe the floor with the enemies inside, and get nothing out of it other than "well that was a waste of time." There aren't items worth finding. Even if I found a chest with 200 Orichalcum bars, I wouldn't be able to carry them. Even if I found a chest with 20,000 gold, it's just gold. Don't really need it for anything except for maybe some over priced oil or whatever.
    There is just no reason to ever explore and search about the wilderness, as there is no reward structure for it. Exploration for exploration's sake is not rewarding. It's a shame because it's a very pretty game that is nice to look at. I want to explore, I want to find stuff... but there just isn't anything to find.
    A massive overhaul to items must be required in order to make exploring feel rewarding at all.
    Maybe you can find a boss that when killed will grant you some Faction tokens, a bunch of standing and special crafting reagents, I don't know. It still doesn't seem like enough for me to want to explore anything.

    >Progression/Customization

    Character customization (Not character creation, I'm talkin real customization) is pretty abysmal. You get a stat point.
    That's it. You get a stat point. There needs to be more, this is seriously ridiculous. It's 2020, there is no reason that we don't have some sort of advancement to be made with our characters upon leveling. A single stat point is quite depressing. There is no reason we can't have skill trees, talent points, or perks to invest in while leveling.
    The only thing that sets you apart from another player is... well, what weapons you're using really. And since everyone will be using Hatchet/Life staff... it's just a bunch of clones running around in clone suits honking their noses at each other.
    I'm not really sure how to fix this other than that. I can't design a system off the top of my head for this right now, but I'm sure given enough time I could.

    > Now, along to more technical/niche stuff. Not much to say here but I feel it needs mentioning.

    Keybinds! Why can you not remap keys to what you want them to be? Small gripe, big deal to a lot of people.

    Mob Trains, mob AI and griefing. Why do mobs randomly stop targeting you, and instead target someone else? I’ve had so many people do this to me while I’m gathering a Gold Node or something, they will bring a few mobs to me and then they will start attacking ME instead of the person who aggroed them, which causes me to stop mining and lose the node. Big bag. Very real and big bad.
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  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    Complete review....of a preview.....okay then.
  • XatshXatsh Member RarePosts: 451
    It is a review of a preview, but originally this was what launch was planned as. This is leting everyone see why it was delayed. The base of the game is there, but it lacks polish and well more or less a game's worth of content atm.

    And I think a review is warranted, it points out all the massive flaws of the game currently. As long as it is re-reviewed when they flesh it out more.

    Was a very good call of Amazon to delay this... they probably need to delay it for 1.5-2 more years though. I do not see how they can fix the problems and add enough content before their next planned launch date.
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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Sounds amazing for the 1 month “idc what you say!” guy.
  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 3,100
    remsleep said:

    The amount of content they need to add to make New World something worth playing for more than a couple of weeks to a month is pretty immense.

    I would say it would take more than 2 years to get all content in there, and also polish the combat, animations and get the performance and optimization in so the game lives up to AAA standards

    I say 2-3 years easily

    I hope they don't fuck up the aspects they really nailed - like the open world.

    I actually agree with a lot of your criticisms about the game, but the content thing is something I don't quite get.

    Like I can see how it would be great if they added a lot more variety to the types of gear you can craft, but the "end game" seems to be a perpetual territory conflict, and the day to day play seems to be about improving your cities while trying to undermine enemy cities/territories.

    What other content do you think it needs? I am still at level 16 after playing for about 60 hours, haha.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,478
    It seems to me they are going to need more than a few months to shape it into a great game. If that turns out to be true and we won't know until launch if it is, it is becoming the norm. Big AAA titles which are released when the developer knows it needs another years work is today's reality. All the gaming industry does each year is make my mantra more pertinent: Don't put any money in before it launches and you see reviews.
  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,611
    Chris Roberts should hire you to do the road map for the road map to the road map.....
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,983
    A major problem (for me) that I've seen nobody mention here is the mob agro system. It's obvious it was designed with a PvP game in mind, but for non flagged players it's just an instrument of griefing or general ability to let your stupidity negatively affect everybody around you.
    I've had people abuse that system to lure mobs on me while I was gathering, it's quite frequent near oil spots for instance.
    Yesterday afternoon I was in a level 25ish temple with those harder "elite" undead mobs (ancients), and some level 14 moron was running around away from those mobs he obviously can't kill, luring them on everybody else who was legitimately questing in the place. I had to flee to and start all over since there was no way I could survive 10+ of those mobs alone.

    My opinion is that they must remove this for PvE players, and not automatically add everyone on the path to the mob's threat list. Also, make it so that a level 14 can't so easily run away from level 25 elite mobs, making him able to grief with little risk for himself. Some temple seriously lack archers or caster mobs to stop that behavior.
    My take is that I'm ok with it but the person who initially grabs their attention should get extra xp loss and the mobs should make it a point to still go after them.

    This way there is incentive to have people help you and anyone being cheeky will also reap the benefits of being killed.
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  • xpsyncxpsync Member EpicPosts: 1,854
    edited August 2020
    Thanks for the excellent read op!
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  • SpiiderSpiider Member RarePosts: 1,135
    Respect for investing more time in writing this review than what the devs invested in making it fun.
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  • MendelMendel Member LegendaryPosts: 5,609
    Hmmm.  Why PvP?  Why PvE?  I think the problem with the OP is that it assumes that there is some compelling reason to play this game.  As far as I can tell, it is simply leveraging the Amazon name to enter the game development arena.  To that end, the purpose of this game is to make money for Amazon.



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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,983
    remsleep said:

    So make aggro more sticky towards the original player who aggros - and make it a bit harder to train other players, but don't remove the mechanic

    Just my 2c
    Thing is, even if the original player SHOOTS the mob, the mob still will randomly go to anyone nearby, even people doing absolutely nothing. This is retarded, the mob should hold a grudge against the one who just hurt him and who is the greatest threat.

    The actual state is just completely stupid.

    And I don't have any EQ1 nostalgia so I couldn't care less that it was like that back then, everything old is not good ;)

    I think that just points to "it needs fixin'"
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  • muthaxmuthax Member UncommonPosts: 703
    edited August 2020
    Another point of view

    https://massivelyop.com/2020/08/31/first-impressions-new-world-has-the-foundation-of-what-could-be-a-great-game/

    "My main impression after a few days of play is that delaying the launch to 2021 was a good move, and to be brutally honest I think even the new launch date feels like it might be overly optimistic. But the news isn’t as bad as that makes it sound. New World is far from finished, but the bones of a great game are already there."
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  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 10,032
    When companies like Amazon get involved in gaming I get nervous....I don't trust reviews because Amazon has so much money and influence that I am not sure if the reviewer is being bought or is totally reliable.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    My very short take on this game is that there are a lot of warts here like animation lock, general combat unresponsiveness, long cool downs for a tiny number of slotted abilites that just don't do enough to "earn" that cool down, uninspired questing and lore presentation, lack of performance optimization, etc. but the art style, graphics, world setting etc. make it something you want to see tuned and made better.

    It's kind of weird. I don't often dislike as many specifics about a game but still want to play it and like it despite all the warts.

    I'm conflicted :)


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  • SephrinxSephrinx Member UncommonPosts: 94
    Albatroes said:
    Complete review....of a preview.....okay then.

    Yes, that is what it is. I'm glad you were able to comprehend what this post was. Great job, keep it up. Proud of you!

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  • SephrinxSephrinx Member UncommonPosts: 94
    Mendel said:
    Hmmm.  Why PvP?  Why PvE?  I think the problem with the OP is that it assumes that there is some compelling reason to play this game.
    Well, I mean. Yeah? I've never played a game that had no purpose to it before, this is a first for me and it feels very strange and jarring.
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  • muthaxmuthax Member UncommonPosts: 703
    When companies like Amazon get involved in gaming I get nervous....I don't trust reviews because Amazon has so much money and influence that I am not sure if the reviewer is being bought or is totally reliable.
    Reviewers had no issue destroying crucible so I don't think it's the case
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Iselin said:
    My very short take on this game is that there are a lot of warts here like animation lock, general combat unresponsiveness, long cool downs for a tiny number of slotted abilites that just don't do enough to "earn" that cool down, uninspired questing and lore presentation, lack of performance optimization, etc. but the art style, graphics, world setting etc. make it something you want to see tuned and made better.

    It's kind of weird. I don't often dislike as many specifics about a game but still want to play it and like it despite all the warts.

    I'm conflicted :)



    Except the performance, I mostly agree, even though I don't mind the more "sandboxish" elements as much as you do. At level 29 I got used to the combat and find it better than what people usually think of it, only the weapon swapping and some balance issues are plaguing it.
    By "performance" I mean mostly resource use. I mean... it does perform well now that I have it running on my new system at 1440P with Gsync - I'm getting 60 FPS+ everywhere. But I've also been monitoring resource use and it has extremely high GPU and CPU utilization. On the plus side it does a goof job at "burning in" my new system lol.
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  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,489
    edited September 2020
    nvm it found my key. Apparently in message center, sent last august lmao
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  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 10,032
    If this were an indie company I would give it a look, but Amazon? No thanks.
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