My favourite thing is when game studios put up sales for digital goods and are like "Buy this pile of gilded poop for only 29.99, a 60$ value!" No dear, that pile of crap has whatever value you assign to it, since it technically doesn't exist.
I don't think Turbine/SSG ever did this, but I have seen many other mmos do it.
Why is everyone focused on a $99 ultimate edition? You can buy the standard for $20. Just stop.....stop it. Maybe if you stopped being graphics whores you could see this game is actually underrated.
Name calling doesn't help your case any. I have played the game on and off since open beta. 20$ is an ok price for what amounts to a DLC, it's the jump in price for the extra stuff that's exploitative. They are taking advantage of their customers (yes, gamers are customers) and people with low impulse control.
It's milking the playerbase for sure, any loyal fan will want it all, and yes the price is arbitrary at best.
Any loyal fan is subbed and has amassed more then enough points to get it for “free” in the store. Like every pack you don’t buy day one.
It ain’t cheap, it also ain’t anything special compared to other companies or stuff.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
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Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
War of Three Peaks includes a raid (IN A DIFFERENT POST HE SAID IT'S NOT A NEW RAID TIER), a 6-person instance, and more than 80 missions. Missions are their own thing, but you can roughly scope them to be in the range of 2-3 quests each, and there will be at least 80 of them. Players will begin to see the scope of the content when it arrives on Bullroarer in the near future. The main thing is that Missions are larger in scope than your typical LOTRO quest, and will be available to play by one or two people together between levels 20 and 130. The raid and instance will release with the rest of War of Three Peaks, and will be included in the $20 expansion.
And as someone else said over on the O boards 'if you want to spend $100 so you can ride a piggy - that's on YOU'.
Please be aware their are now banning people for "hate" speech. Of course they don't tell you what that is. So they can use it for anything they don't like. IE anyone who is not far left
Top 3 MMO's PRE-CU SWG GW1 GW2
Worst 2 wow and Lotro Under standing stones it went woke
My favourite thing is when game studios put up sales for digital goods and are like "Buy this pile of gilded poop for only 29.99, a 60$ value!" No dear, that pile of crap has whatever value you assign to it, since it technically doesn't exist.
I don't think Turbine/SSG ever did this, but I have seen many other mmos do it.
I have to give Turbine/SSG this, when they put in some unique item in a package deal, you can only get that item in that deal, unlike some other games that claim the item is unique to the package and then put it in the store a month later.
So if you want that unique item, it is worth it to get the pack for it.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Please be aware their are now banning people for "hate" speech. Of course they don't tell you what that is. So they can use it for anything they don't like. IE anyone who is not far left
One thing I would love and now I feel they can do, is abandon the turbine engine and overhaul the game to Lumberyard. Doing this would give them two big things, free hosting for the game from Amazon, and updated visual look that will be current with today's technology and a system that is always self updating to current technology trends.
I hope maybe Standing Stone could reach out to Amazon and Lumberyard to see if it is possible !\
Never going to happen. It will be so much work. It's like creating a whole new game.
I don't think they have enough left on the IP license to really bother with such a massive undertaking.
Game just needs to die. Server stability is down the drain for so long now and they simply don't have the capacity nor the expertise in-house anymore to fix it.
Just quickly releasing a mini expansion for more cash, just shows they trying to milk as much and as long as they can, before the servers permanently die and won't boot up anymore.
so if it is so much work why did Star Citizen switch so fast ?
Have you seen the amount of people who work on Star Citizen? It was a massive undertaking. He admitted himself afterwards, that he highly underestimated the transition and it was more work than anticipated. Star Citizen was also using the lasted known off the shelf tech, making the transition much easier.
LOTRO is running on a 20 year old propriety engine and toolset from Turbine. Which why its no suprise they struggling with server stability that has been getting worse and worse the last couple years.
Geezes that Boar mount trailer was VERY BAD! The music, is like I was expecting a Star Wars guy jumping in any second.
This game needs to die. It doesn't deserve such amazing name ( LORD OF THE RINGS ). It doesn't do justice at all to the name.
I wonder for how long they still have the license! Anyone knows?
Well lets see, they have had the licence for the last 15 or so years, which is why the game looks dated, and it does not look like they are going to lose it any time soon.
Now if you can tell me a Lord of the Rings game, that did it better.. I would love to hear hear about it.
Shadow of Mordor ( based on The Lord of the Rings ). Heck, even Conquest was decent.
The point is, there aren't many games based on this franchise and I would rather see no game, than to see bad ones, like LOTRO.
And I hope they will lose their license as soon as Amazon Games releases their version.
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy? Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
Please be aware their are now banning people for "hate" speech. Of course they don't tell you what that is. So they can use it for anything they don't like. IE anyone who is not far left
Color me skeptical
Well its all ready happen to me twice and to other people i know as well
Top 3 MMO's PRE-CU SWG GW1 GW2
Worst 2 wow and Lotro Under standing stones it went woke
Why is everyone focused on a $99 ultimate edition? You can buy the standard for $20. Just stop.....stop it. Maybe if you stopped being graphics whores you could see this game is actually underrated.
The reason is because it is shady at best and is only happening because they hit some financial issues. This was supposed to be a quest pack not a made-up "mini-expansion" which would be free to subscribers and available in the store for points with non-subscribers. Why yes, the base here is $20, but details are still skimpy on what these will include and if they gate that boar mount behind one of the higher tiers, that's just shit. I'm sorry, but it is what it is. And yes, the population is "healthy" for a game this old (and yes I am an OG player of LOTRO and not random person here raggin), but they have lost quite a few subscribers since the data center issues and all the goodwill they had gained after finally (FINALLY) doing something about their expensive quest packs even if it was temporary, it was too long coming. This game and it's expacs should not be anywhere near the pricing of WoW and yet here we are.
Geezes that Boar mount trailer was VERY BAD! The music, is like I was expecting a Star Wars guy jumping in any second.
This game needs to die. It doesn't deserve such amazing name ( LORD OF THE RINGS ). It doesn't do justice at all to the name.
I wonder for how long they still have the license! Anyone knows?
Well lets see, they have had the licence for the last 15 or so years, which is why the game looks dated, and it does not look like they are going to lose it any time soon.
Now if you can tell me a Lord of the Rings game, that did it better.. I would love to hear hear about it.
Shadow of Mordor ( based on The Lord of the Rings ). Heck, even Conquest was decent.
The point is, there aren't many games based on this franchise and I would rather see no game, than to see bad ones, like LOTRO.
And I hope they will lose their license as soon as Amazon Games releases their version.
Eh.. we shall disagree, and you sound like someone that is just butthurt.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
i tried to get back into it during the free quests and i put in a ticket back in MAY and they only responded 2 days after the promotion ended, SEPTEMBER.
Don't know what the company is doing, but their customer support is abysmal. And your stories for this game have just been "servers are broken!"
Server issues are literally the only valid complaint in this thread.
Depending on how bad server issues get, it's not like a bunch of others are needed.
Why is everyone focused on a $99 ultimate edition? You can buy the standard for $20. Just stop.....stop it. Maybe if you stopped being graphics whores you could see this game is actually underrated.
It's focused on because it is the most complete package, I expect. Regardless, it is not unusual in discussions of purchases with multiple price points.
The majority of posts I've seen about LotRO are complementary, so it doesn't seem all that underrated to me. Perhaps it has become less appreciated over time, but it also seems to have increasing issues over time as well.
Perhaps if they got their current house more in order any decline in the view of the game will be halted or even reversed.
Why is everyone focused on a $99 ultimate edition? You can buy the standard for $20. Just stop.....stop it. Maybe if you stopped being graphics whores you could see this game is actually underrated.
The reason is because it is shady at best and is only happening because they hit some financial issues. This was supposed to be a quest pack not a made-up "mini-expansion" which would be free to subscribers and available in the store for points with non-subscribers. Why yes, the base here is $20, but details are still skimpy on what these will include and if they gate that boar mount behind one of the higher tiers, that's just shit. I'm sorry, but it is what it is. And yes, the population is "healthy" for a game this old (and yes I am an OG player of LOTRO and not random person here raggin), but they have lost quite a few subscribers since the data center issues and all the goodwill they had gained after finally (FINALLY) doing something about their expensive quest packs even if it was temporary, it was too long coming. This game and it's expacs should not be anywhere near the pricing of WoW and yet here we are.
This reminds me of the mini-expansion release of SoM, which I believe had a lot more content than this one. Back then it was due to them needing an influx of cash and they eventually had to switch to F2P to stay viable. But they've already pulled that parachute once and all that's left is high prices with less content.
Why yes, the base here is $20, but details are still skimpy on what these will include and if they gate that boar mount behind one of the higher tiers, that's just shit. I'm sorry, but it is what it is.
This reminds me of the mini-expansion release of SoM, which I believe had a lot more content than this one. Back then it was due to them needing an influx of cash and they eventually had to switch to F2P to stay viable. But they've already pulled that parachute once and all that's left is high prices with less content.
You keep posting that since years even after it was disproved countless times (I believe Sovrath even posted an interview once about it)...
Mirkwood was cut in half because of they saw the f2p success (the money shower) of DDO and got greedy so they stopped working on Mirkwood and started to work on the LotRO f2p switch.
It wasn't planned, game was fine, their finances were fine as well, simply DDO was way too successful with bringing in money to simply ignore the opportunity.
2Ton is right though, this current one is indeed shit. Not just the higher tiers, the whole.
I ain't sure what OG player is, if "ongoing" then I'm one as well, and to me it was a disheartening announcement. As 2Ton said it simply doesn't justify the $20 price tag, let alone the sheer stupidity of $100.
And not just in reference of the earlier stage I used to praise all the time.
Just look at the (much worse) course they've took with Mordor. Those expansions were sold at $40 (let's forget the lunacy of "ultimate fan" $130 monstrosity), in comparison there's no way this Update should be placed at $20.
In the pre-Mordor stage it would've been free, or at most 5-600 TP ($5-6) With their current level of greed, I don't know, maybe $10 would seem ok-ish.
Why yes, the base here is $20, but details are still skimpy on what these will include and if they gate that boar mount behind one of the higher tiers, that's just shit. I'm sorry, but it is what it is.
This reminds me of the mini-expansion release of SoM, which I believe had a lot more content than this one. Back then it was due to them needing an influx of cash and they eventually had to switch to F2P to stay viable. But they've already pulled that parachute once and all that's left is high prices with less content.
You keep posting that since years even after it was disproved countless times (I believe Sovrath even posted an interview once about it)...
Mirkwood was cut in half because of they saw the f2p success (the money shower) of DDO and got greedy so they stopped working on Mirkwood and started to work on the LotRO f2p switch.
They saw the potential F2P success as their forced sub model on LOTRO was failing. They lost a lot of subs as Moria went on and they also went through a lot of the lifetime sub money by then.
They can try to spin it however they want. It's 100% clear that they HAD to change their model. It's not like any of the later expansions matched Moria in terms of development hours. Mirkwood and F2P demonstrated a massive change in scope and strategy. They gave up on balancing and major bug fixing in Moria as well. Polishing the game was no longer a priority.
Regardless, this mini expansion is 10x less content for the money than Mirkwood was.
They can try to spin it however they want. It's 100% clear that they HAD to change their model.
That's the point, they "had" to do nothing, both the game and its finances were fine.
At least if you believe them and their reports... if it's just "they spin it however they want" then the debate is kinda futile just then in the future add that to your statement.
They say DDO's switch was a sorta "why not" scenario, without any further plans. They say LotRO was in good shape, and the urgent work on the second half of 2010 (in expense of Mirkwood) was to chase the pile of cash DDO has proved to be there at the end of the f2p rainbow.
You say LotRO was failing, they had financial troubles, and the f2p switch was mandatory. If you stop there, without adding "and they lied about it", someone will always point out the contradiction between the two statements
They can try to spin it however they want. It's 100% clear that they HAD to change their model.
That's the point, they "had" to do nothing, both the game and its finances were fine.
You are believing their spin. Just think logically rather than believing what someone defending their decisions is saying.
If they were doing fine then F2P wasn't going to be a boon. That's a last resort when you know the forced sub model is no longer working.
Also, what makes more sense? Go F2P and let the people that enjoy it buy Moria and level through it. Or go F2P and release a quarter baked expansion in Mirkwood that will likely turn people off?
You are accepting their statement that Mirkwood HAD to be released in that state. But logic makes it clear that this is not the case. If F2P was this super successful thing, they wouldn't need to skimp and cut corners. There was plenty of content to keep the new players busy and a proper explanation would make it clear to the existing players why the next expansion was going to take a while.
SoM was pretty damn disappointing for everyone. Rohan even moreso. Everything leans to them being much more cash strapped even after F2P. In fact, when has switching to F2P ended up with a better product? It's more about restructuring to remain profitable while also being less ambitious.
My favourite thing is when game studios put up sales for digital goods and are like "Buy this pile of gilded poop for only 29.99, a 60$ value!" No dear, that pile of crap has whatever value you assign to it, since it technically doesn't exist.
I don't think Turbine/SSG ever did this, but I have seen many other mmos do it.
Why is everyone focused on a $99 ultimate edition? You can buy the standard for $20. Just stop.....stop it. Maybe if you stopped being graphics whores you could see this game is actually underrated.
Name calling doesn't help your case any. I have played the game on and off since open beta. 20$ is an ok price for what amounts to a DLC, it's the jump in price for the extra stuff that's exploitative. They are taking advantage of their customers (yes, gamers are customers) and people with low impulse control.
This is the most socialist and millennial bullshit I have heard in a while. So no one should offer anything extra nice for more money because people like you can't control their impulses? How about a little individual accountability? Do you think their servers run on good will? The player base while healthy is still small. They have to make money somewhere, why not make it providing those who want it some special items for more money? It is 10000% optional content. You are actually getting something extra IF you decide to spend more. Supply and demand, no one is being taken advantage of, that's absurd.
This game has been a mess for years. It needed to close down years ago.
"years"? lol. Dude Mordor was an awesome expansion and revitalized the game after a short stagnant period. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. My bet is 90% of you clowns talking crap in this thread have not set foot in this game in over 5 years.
This game has been a mess for years. It needed to close down years ago.
"years"? lol. Dude Mordor was an awesome expansion and revitalized the game after a short stagnant period. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. My bet is 90% of you clowns talking crap in this thread have not set foot in this game in over 5 years.
I've been a player since beta. The game is a mess and has been since Rohan. The servers have had lag issues for many years now. I've played every expansion and played all the instanced content at level with my Kinship Roxi Mannor on Arkenstone.
My kinship pre server merge on Windfola (Viaticus) actually had one of the artists from Turbine hang with us on numerous occasions. Granted he couldn't reveal too much about his job, but he would listen to our feedback and give us snippets of what was going on behind the scenes. He was 23 at the time, probably was a little too forth coming with information lol due to being young I guess.
He did slip one day and expressed that a lot of the original engineers that made the actual game engine moved on from the team around the time of MoM. He said most of the team left really didn't understand the inner workings of the game engine. He said that the developers were just piling on systems to the game that the original design team never intended, mounted combat being of the biggest problems. There was also a very long leak from a former developer that talked about the same issue I mentioned above, that the Lotro team lacked engineers with knowledge of the engine itself and that the years of piling on systems pretty much has caused the game to be unstable.
The 64-bit client help with some of the lag though and the graphical issues, I will give it that.
Mordor was not a good expansion either. Most of the player based loathed it due to how ugly the landscapes were and how difficult they made the landscape content. The mobs had like double the hp and hit like trucks. They eventually had to retune this content due to all complaining. I didn't mind Minus Morgal though, that zone was a lot of fun for me, but the lag on Arkenstone made this last expansion my last. The Moors on our server were active, but the lag made the entire zone unplayable.
Calling people clowns that disagree with you makes your comments look stupid too. Try having some empathy dude instead of being a blind fanboi.
My favourite thing is when game studios put up sales for digital goods and are like "Buy this pile of gilded poop for only 29.99, a 60$ value!" No dear, that pile of crap has whatever value you assign to it, since it technically doesn't exist.
I don't think Turbine/SSG ever did this, but I have seen many other mmos do it.
Why is everyone focused on a $99 ultimate edition? You can buy the standard for $20. Just stop.....stop it. Maybe if you stopped being graphics whores you could see this game is actually underrated.
Name calling doesn't help your case any. I have played the game on and off since open beta. 20$ is an ok price for what amounts to a DLC, it's the jump in price for the extra stuff that's exploitative. They are taking advantage of their customers (yes, gamers are customers) and people with low impulse control.
This is the most socialist and millennial bullshit I have heard in a while. So no one should offer anything extra nice for more money because people like you can't control their impulses? How about a little individual accountability? Do you think their servers run on good will? The player base while healthy is still small. They have to make money somewhere, why not make it providing those who want it some special items for more money? It is 10000% optional content. You are actually getting something extra IF you decide to spend more. Supply and demand, no one is being taken advantage of, that's absurd.
Whats the deal with the ad hominems here? Do you realize this is just a video game? Why do you care if people complain about over priced cash shop items anyway? This is a huge problem for the game industry as a whole. Gamers are tired of being gouged for stuff like this.
Charge us a sub fee that keeps you profitable (not $15 a month) and let us earn these items in game. I'm so tired of seeing people defending this BS. This monetization is ugly and predatory and doesn't fit with the spirit that gaming was founded on. I'm tired of these real world capitalistic monetization schemes filtering into my games. I play games to escape that BS.
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It ain’t cheap, it also ain’t anything special compared to other companies or stuff.
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
There's no reason for it to die. They haven't even hit maintenance mode yet really. but they are getting closer.
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SWG (pre-cu) - AoC (pre-f2p) - PotBS (pre-boarder) - DDO - LotRO (pre-f2p) - STO (pre-f2p) - GnH (beta tester) - SWTOR - Neverwinter
Top 3 MMO's PRE-CU SWG GW1 GW2
Worst 2 wow and Lotro Under standing stones it went woke
So if you want that unique item, it is worth it to get the pack for it.
Color me skeptical
He admitted himself afterwards, that he highly underestimated the transition and it was more work than anticipated.
Star Citizen was also using the lasted known off the shelf tech, making the transition much easier.
LOTRO is running on a 20 year old propriety engine and toolset from Turbine. Which why its no suprise they struggling with server stability that has been getting worse and worse the last couple years.
The point is, there aren't many games based on this franchise and I would rather see no game, than to see bad ones, like LOTRO.
And I hope they will lose their license as soon as Amazon Games releases their version.
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
Well its all ready happen to me twice and to other people i know as well
Top 3 MMO's PRE-CU SWG GW1 GW2
Worst 2 wow and Lotro Under standing stones it went woke
The reason is because it is shady at best and is only happening because they hit some financial issues. This was supposed to be a quest pack not a made-up "mini-expansion" which would be free to subscribers and available in the store for points with non-subscribers. Why yes, the base here is $20, but details are still skimpy on what these will include and if they gate that boar mount behind one of the higher tiers, that's just shit. I'm sorry, but it is what it is. And yes, the population is "healthy" for a game this old (and yes I am an OG player of LOTRO and not random person here raggin), but they have lost quite a few subscribers since the data center issues and all the goodwill they had gained after finally (FINALLY) doing something about their expensive quest packs even if it was temporary, it was too long coming. This game and it's expacs should not be anywhere near the pricing of WoW and yet here we are.
They won't get a dime from me until they get Transfers back up. My characters were all on now-closed servers.
((Supposedly, all I need to do is click the Transfer button that would be in the launcher and transfer my "vaulted" characters to a server.))
Our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising everytime we fall.
Depending on how bad server issues get, it's not like a bunch of others are needed.
It's focused on because it is the most complete package, I expect. Regardless, it is not unusual in discussions of purchases with multiple price points.
The majority of posts I've seen about LotRO are complementary, so it doesn't seem all that underrated to me. Perhaps it has become less appreciated over time, but it also seems to have increasing issues over time as well.
Perhaps if they got their current house more in order any decline in the view of the game will be halted or even reversed.
With their current level of greed, I don't know, maybe $10 would seem ok-ish.
My kinship pre server merge on Windfola (Viaticus) actually had one of the artists from Turbine hang with us on numerous occasions. Granted he couldn't reveal too much about his job, but he would listen to our feedback and give us snippets of what was going on behind the scenes. He was 23 at the time, probably was a little too forth coming with information lol due to being young I guess.
He did slip one day and expressed that a lot of the original engineers that made the actual game engine moved on from the team around the time of MoM. He said most of the team left really didn't understand the inner workings of the game engine. He said that the developers were just piling on systems to the game that the original design team never intended, mounted combat being of the biggest problems. There was also a very long leak from a former developer that talked about the same issue I mentioned above, that the Lotro team lacked engineers with knowledge of the engine itself and that the years of piling on systems pretty much has caused the game to be unstable.
The 64-bit client help with some of the lag though and the graphical issues, I will give it that.
Mordor was not a good expansion either. Most of the player based loathed it due to how ugly the landscapes were and how difficult they made the landscape content. The mobs had like double the hp and hit like trucks. They eventually had to retune this content due to all complaining. I didn't mind Minus Morgal though, that zone was a lot of fun for me, but the lag on Arkenstone made this last expansion my last. The Moors on our server were active, but the lag made the entire zone unplayable.
Calling people clowns that disagree with you makes your comments look stupid too. Try having some empathy dude instead of being a blind fanboi.
Charge us a sub fee that keeps you profitable (not $15 a month) and let us earn these items in game. I'm so tired of seeing people defending this BS. This monetization is ugly and predatory and doesn't fit with the spirit that gaming was founded on. I'm tired of these real world capitalistic monetization schemes filtering into my games. I play games to escape that BS.