LMAO NPC pathing made out to be something special, this is a bog standard feature which can be knocked up in a couple of weeks at most by a mediocre programmer.
Considering how many games have pathfinding that is basically broken, if CU implemented pathfinding that reliably works right without NPCs getting stuck or doing really stupid things, that's a big deal. But that's also a big "if".
My 2021 wish is for CSE to shut down so that we never have to hear another update about this scam.
If the game launches in 2025 and is really great when it does, then having another great game available to play in 2025 will be a welcome development.
I'm not saying that that will happen. I am saying that people get far too impatient. It takes longer to do things right than it does to slap together a mediocre knock-off of whatever is popular.
My 2021 wish is for CSE to shut down so that we never have to hear another update about this scam.
If the game launches in 2025 and is really great when it does, then having another great game available to play in 2025 will be a welcome development.
I'm not saying that that will happen. I am saying that people get far too impatient. It takes longer to do things right than it does to slap together a mediocre knock-off of whatever is popular.
C'mon, game has been in development for 7 years, 3 months by Mark's accounting.
In what world is 2025 or even two or three more years reasonable, especially when it was initially promised for the end of 2015, and yet again the end of 2019?
Maybe, just maybe success is actually not achievable and the sooner it's put to rest the better for everyone.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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My 2021 wish is for CSE to shut down so that we never have to hear another update about this scam.
If the game launches in 2025 and is really great when it does, then having another great game available to play in 2025 will be a welcome development.
I'm not saying that that will happen. I am saying that people get far too impatient. It takes longer to do things right than it does to slap together a mediocre knock-off of whatever is popular.
C'mon, game has been in development for 7 years, 3 months by Mark's accounting.
In what world is 2025 or even two or three more years reasonable, especially when it was initially promised for the end of 2015, and yet again the end of 2019?
Maybe, just maybe success is actually not achievable and the sooner it's put to rest the better for everyone.
I don't particularly care how long it takes to develop a game. I care how good the game is after it launches, when I might buy and play it. I don't know whether the game will ever get there, and I sure wouldn't want to throw crowdfunding money at it today. But if they have the money to make their game, then let them make it.
My 2021 wish is for CSE to shut down so that we never have to hear another update about this scam.
If the game launches in 2025 and is really great when it does, then having another great game available to play in 2025 will be a welcome development.
I'm not saying that that will happen. I am saying that people get far too impatient. It takes longer to do things right than it does to slap together a mediocre knock-off of whatever is popular.
C'mon, game has been in development for 7 years, 3 months by Mark's accounting.
In what world is 2025 or even two or three more years reasonable, especially when it was initially promised for the end of 2015, and yet again the end of 2019?
Maybe, just maybe success is actually not achievable and the sooner it's put to rest the better for everyone.
I don't particularly care how long it takes to develop a game. I care how good the game is after it launches, when I might buy and play it. I don't know whether the game will ever get there, and I sure wouldn't want to throw crowdfunding money at it today. But if they have the money to make their game, then let them make it.
Point taken. I'm an original KSer backer but at this time it no longer matters either way it turns out, except that I would like to live long enough to know what the final outcome is.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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My 2021 wish is for CSE to shut down so that we never have to hear another update about this scam.
If the game launches in 2025 and is really great when it does, then having another great game available to play in 2025 will be a welcome development.
I'm not saying that that will happen. I am saying that people get far too impatient. It takes longer to do things right than it does to slap together a mediocre knock-off of whatever is popular.
This argument might hold a little more water if the original, expected release date set by CSE and Mark Jacobs hadn't been 2015. You really think people are being unreasonably impatient when the game is over five years late and is still in an alpha state?
people can be dismissive but I guarantee their is still a core Dark Age of Camelot community waiting intensely for this game.
There is a core DAOC community waiting for somebody to release DAOC2. None of them are waiting for whatever this is to be released. Our only hope is that a real studio will acquire the DAOC rights and create a game worthy to be called DAOC. I don't know what this game is.. or even if you can call it a game.
Good news is that by the time it gets released I might actually get to retirement and would have time to play it.. DAOC2 that is, not sure what this is.
I love shitting on Camelot Unchained, and Mark Jacobs every chance I get (Check my post history), but this is just starting to get sad. I wish this game would just release already, or at least lift the NDA so I can watch some actual gameplay that isn't just marketing fluff.
I never thought I would run out of steam, but Mark finally wore me down after 7 years, and 3 months.
Be careful what you wish for, you might be even more disappointed then you are now. I know I was.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
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Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
For those keeping score at home, back in 2019 Mark kept to the position the game might potentially launch in some form by year's end, not retracting from that date until late November, early December.
This 1.0 navigation system seems to be a core design deliverable which should have been well in place before ever promising any sort or release date, yet here it is going live for the first time almost a year later.
Any wonder why folks find it difficult to take anything he says seriously or even valid?
This is the biggest joke during the whole development of this game. He keeps telling how close they are to release just to follow up with the news that they implemented feature X which is an absolute core feature and should be in waaaay before.
I first noticed this at the first Beta delay where months later they introduced stuff I expected to be in long time before. And I asked myself if they are really that far in development as they state or is this game even missing it's skeleton.
Years later they still come up with such basic stuff as "News"
My 2021 wish is for CSE to shut down so that we never have to hear another update about this scam.
If the game launches in 2025 and is really great when it does, then having another great game available to play in 2025 will be a welcome development.
I'm not saying that that will happen. I am saying that people get far too impatient. It takes longer to do things right than it does to slap together a mediocre knock-off of whatever is popular.
This argument might hold a little more water if the original, expected release date set by CSE and Mark Jacobs hadn't been 2015. You really think people are being unreasonably impatient when the game is over five years late and is still in an alpha state?
Look at the post I quoted. I do think that "because the game hasn't launched yet, it should be shut down" is unreasonable.
people can be dismissive but I guarantee their is still a core Dark Age of Camelot community waiting intensely for this game.
Literally dozens of fans
RIP Ribbitribbitt you are missed, kid.
Currently Playing EVE, ESO
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Years late and yet another report on improved NPC pathing....this vaporware is a fucking joke.
yea, bc building your own engine is done within 2 months, no idea what they are doing all the time! *facepalm*
They're the ones who set and miss their own delivery dates, so perhaps you should tell them that.
Sort of agree but in order to be really mad about those dates you would have to believe that the ridiculous release dates that ALL crowdfunded MMOs have at crowdfunding time is anything other than the deliberate marketing lie they use to get you to pledge.
I mean, 10ish developers with a shoestring budget are going to make an MMO in 2 or 3 years? In what universe?
The blame they all deserve is for lying about the dates in the first place because they know they wouldn't get nearly the same support if they did a more honest 8-10 year projection.
Give them all shit for that lie. But getting bent out of shape about those dates being missed sort of means that you fell for the original BS hook line and sinker. Shame on you.
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Years late and yet another report on improved NPC pathing....this vaporware is a fucking joke.
yea, bc building your own engine is done within 2 months, no idea what they are doing all the time! *facepalm*
They're the ones who set and miss their own delivery dates, so perhaps you should tell them that.
Sort of agree but in order to be really mad about those dates you would have to believe that the ridiculous release dates that ALL crowdfunded MMOs have at crowdfunding time is anything other than the deliberate marketing lie they use to get you to pledge.
I mean, 10ish developers with a shoestring budget are going to make an MMO in 2 or 3 years? In what universe?
The blame they all deserve is for lying about the dates in the first place because they know they wouldn't get nearly the same support if they did a more honest 8-10 year projection.
Give them all shit for that lie. But getting bent out of shape about those dates being missed sort of means that you fell for the original BS hook line and sinker. Shame on you.
But in THIS case Mark has never really pushed sales beyond the Kickstarter and the vast majority of the money since then has come from his own pocket or from investors who he sold ownership to.
I honestly 100% believe that this is a case of incompetence as opposed to an intentional lie. I mean, he could have had monthly or even semi-annual sales in his store all this time but eh hasn't. The one thing he added in all these years to the best of my knowledge is about $30,000 worth of accounts for the FS:R game.
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Years late and yet another report on improved NPC pathing....this vaporware is a fucking joke.
yea, bc building your own engine is done within 2 months, no idea what they are doing all the time! *facepalm*
They're the ones who set and miss their own delivery dates, so perhaps you should tell them that.
Sort of agree but in order to be really mad about those dates you would have to believe that the ridiculous release dates that ALL crowdfunded MMOs have at crowdfunding time is anything other than the deliberate marketing lie they use to get you to pledge.
I mean, 10ish developers with a shoestring budget are going to make an MMO in 2 or 3 years? In what universe?
The blame they all deserve is for lying about the dates in the first place because they know they wouldn't get nearly the same support if they did a more honest 8-10 year projection.
Give them all shit for that lie. But getting bent out of shape about those dates being missed sort of means that you fell for the original BS hook line and sinker. Shame on you.
Oh contraire, we called Mark and others on their unrealistic dates only to be told we weren't game developers so couldn't possibly understand their "plans" though I confess Mark at the time appeared to know what he was talking about.
They all went on about quickly ramping up team sizes, securing outside investors, (which Mark actually did) in order to accelerate delivery.
In CU's case the scope was going to be far more limited than a full blown MMORPG, focusing mostly on DAOC's RVR style gameplay without all of the time consuming PVE development.
He talked a good game back then and Kickstarter was new so I bought in for a lower alpha access pledge.
Ended up being my one and only as I quickly learned my gut instincts were correct, it wasn't possible to build MMOs in a rapid amount of time especially not on an uncertain shoestring budget.
All water under the bridge now except that, after many years in development, none of these indie MMOs have any sort of promised delivery date, all seem trapped in an infinite build cycle which never ends, heck, not even after the company goes broke apparently. (COE)
So yes, the salt continues, more shade will be thrown until the day comes when these games release or.... have a stake driven through their hearts.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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But in THIS case Mark has never really pushed sales beyond the Kickstarter and the vast majority of the money since then has come from his own pocket or from investors who he sold ownership to.
I honestly 100% believe that this is a case of incompetence as opposed to an intentional lie. I mean, he could have had monthly or even semi-annual sales in his store all this time but eh hasn't. The one thing he added in all these years to the best of my knowledge is about $30,000 worth of accounts for the FS:R game.
The KS was in April 2013 and the delivery date on all pledges reads Dec 2015. It's that original statement, that he was about to build an MMO in 32 months that I'm talking about. Whether he continued crowdfunding or not does not change in any way that original, ridiculous, 32 month time line. That happy, magical timeline is what the original KS pledgers based their pledge on at least in part.
Supporters who are not developers may not know better but anyone who has worked in the industry as long as he has does know. So yeah I'm calling that original schedule a deliberate lie.
Oh contraire, we called Mark and others on their unrealistic dates only to be told we weren't game developers so couldn't possibly understand their "plans" though I confess Mark at the time appeared to know what he was talking about.
They all went on about quickly ramping up team sizes, securing outside investors, (which Mark actually did) in order to accelerate delivery.
In CU's case the scope was going to be far more limited than a full blown MMORPG, focusing mostly on DAOC's RVR style gameplay without all of the time consuming PVE development.
From the KS page:
"Tech Director and lead programmer Andrew Meggs is spearheading the creation of our internal Unchained Engine. It’s sole purpose: to allow our players to fight epic RvR battles in a dynamic world, without the slideshows or limitations of many past games."
Limited scope or not they were not using an off the shelf engine and that takes additional time. He said he was right from the very start,
You were right to question his timeline but even when he seemed to know what he was talking about he had to have known what the score really was. I.e. he continued to lie.
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
I can all but guarantee everyone calling this game vaporware, or wishing CU/CSE would just die or bashing this game for whatever reason will play it the second it releases...
I can all but guarantee everyone calling this game vaporware, or wishing CU/CSE would just die or bashing this game for whatever reason will play it the second it releases...
... if it releases.
If free beta, or free playtime, sure... pay... no way. Not without a ton of aged reviews.
"First Impressions" reviews can take a hike.
I'll sit it out till people are at end game for awhile.
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I'm not saying that that will happen. I am saying that people get far too impatient. It takes longer to do things right than it does to slap together a mediocre knock-off of whatever is popular.
In what world is 2025 or even two or three more years reasonable, especially when it was initially promised for the end of 2015, and yet again the end of 2019?
Maybe, just maybe success is actually not achievable and the sooner it's put to rest the better for everyone.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Happy New Year's.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
There is a core DAOC community waiting for somebody to release DAOC2. None of them are waiting for whatever this is to be released. Our only hope is that a real studio will acquire the DAOC rights and create a game worthy to be called DAOC. I don't know what this game is.. or even if you can call it a game.
Good news is that by the time it gets released I might actually get to retirement and would have time to play it.. DAOC2 that is, not sure what this is.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
He keeps telling how close they are to release just to follow up with the news that they implemented feature X which is an absolute core feature and should be in waaaay before.
I first noticed this at the first Beta delay where months later they introduced stuff I expected to be in long time before.
And I asked myself if they are really that far in development as they state or is this game even missing it's skeleton.
Years later they still come up with such basic stuff as "News"
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Literally dozens of fans
RIP Ribbitribbitt you are missed, kid.
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yea, bc building your own engine is done within 2 months, no idea what they are doing all the time! *facepalm*
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
I mean, 10ish developers with a shoestring budget are going to make an MMO in 2 or 3 years? In what universe?
The blame they all deserve is for lying about the dates in the first place because they know they wouldn't get nearly the same support if they did a more honest 8-10 year projection.
Give them all shit for that lie. But getting bent out of shape about those dates being missed sort of means that you fell for the original BS hook line and sinker. Shame on you.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
I honestly 100% believe that this is a case of incompetence as opposed to an intentional lie. I mean, he could have had monthly or even semi-annual sales in his store all this time but eh hasn't. The one thing he added in all these years to the best of my knowledge is about $30,000 worth of accounts for the FS:R game.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
They all went on about quickly ramping up team sizes, securing outside investors, (which Mark actually did) in order to accelerate delivery.
In CU's case the scope was going to be far more limited than a full blown MMORPG, focusing mostly on DAOC's RVR style gameplay without all of the time consuming PVE development.
He talked a good game back then and Kickstarter was new so I bought in for a lower alpha access pledge.
Ended up being my one and only as I quickly learned my gut instincts were correct, it wasn't possible to build MMOs in a rapid amount of time especially not on an uncertain shoestring budget.
All water under the bridge now except that, after many years in development, none of these indie MMOs have any sort of promised delivery date, all seem trapped in an infinite build cycle which never ends, heck, not even after the company goes broke apparently. (COE)
So yes, the salt continues, more shade will be thrown until the day comes when these games release or.... have a stake driven through their hearts.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Supporters who are not developers may not know better but anyone who has worked in the industry as long as he has does know. So yeah I'm calling that original schedule a deliberate lie.
From the KS page:
"Tech Director and lead programmer Andrew Meggs is spearheading the creation of our internal Unchained Engine. It’s sole purpose: to allow our players to fight epic RvR battles in a dynamic world, without the slideshows or limitations of many past games."
Limited scope or not they were not using an off the shelf engine and that takes additional time. He said he was right from the very start,
You were right to question his timeline but even when he seemed to know what he was talking about he had to have known what the score really was. I.e. he continued to lie.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
... if it releases.
"First Impressions" reviews can take a hike.
I'll sit it out till people are at end game for awhile.