Chronicles of Elyria Is Releasing A Stand-Alone Kingdoms Of Elyria Product, Per New Video | MMORPG.c

Slapshot1188

Scot said:

 It is a tricky one, is the site going to continue to have articles about litigation without hearing anything from CoE? I feel that would be one sided even though Jeremy avoids talking about anything relating to litigation.

After all the shit this guy pulled and how one-sided (in an enabling way) the official coverage was over the years (not just here) I'm OK with balancing that out with a focus on the litigation for now.   Besides, if you read the subtext of his big reveal of Kingdoms of Catastrophe, it's clear that he HOPES to sell this roadkill to unsuspecting bagholders in the future.

Scot

Slapshot1188 said:

Scot said:

 It is a tricky one, is the site going to continue to have articles about litigation without hearing anything from CoE? I feel that would be one sided even though Jeremy avoids talking about anything relating to litigation.

After all the shit this guy pulled and how one-sided (in an enabling way) the official coverage was over the years (not just here) I'm OK with balancing that out with a focus on the litigation for now.   Besides, if you read the subtext of his big reveal of Kingdoms of Catastrophe, it's clear that he HOPES to sell this roadkill to unsuspecting bagholders in the future.

But he has not yet and you know it made me think of the "Unleashed" games which were old MMOs that failed and came back. Should we expect them to not report about those "new" MMOs? Perhaps the way forward is to always link these articles with a note about the litigation which is what they have done so far.

Slapshot1188

Scot said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Scot said:

 It is a tricky one, is the site going to continue to have articles about litigation without hearing anything from CoE? I feel that would be one sided even though Jeremy avoids talking about anything relating to litigation.

After all the shit this guy pulled and how one-sided (in an enabling way) the official coverage was over the years (not just here) I'm OK with balancing that out with a focus on the litigation for now.   Besides, if you read the subtext of his big reveal of Kingdoms of Catastrophe, it's clear that he HOPES to sell this roadkill to unsuspecting bagholders in the future.

But he has not yet and you know it made me think of the "Unleashed" games which were old MMOs that failed and came back. Should we expect them to not report about those "new" MMOs? Perhaps the way forward is to always link these articles with a note about the litigation which is what they have done so far.

So if Jason Appleton announced Greedmonger 2 and launched another Kickstarter you think news sites should make articles about it where they show screenshots and his videos and just have a link on the bottom that says “See previous scandal here”?  Or Sergei Titov?

Sorry. What this guy did was so egregious in my opinion there is no circumstance where he gets another chance.   If there is any coverage it should START with something in the title like “Despite being x years late, y times over budget and being sued by its  customers SBS has announced work on a new CoE related project called Kingdoms of Catastrophe”.   Don’t bury the lede.

Kyleran

Slapshot1188 said:

Scot said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Scot said:

 It is a tricky one, is the site going to continue to have articles about litigation without hearing anything from CoE? I feel that would be one sided even though Jeremy avoids talking about anything relating to litigation.

After all the shit this guy pulled and how one-sided (in an enabling way) the official coverage was over the years (not just here) I'm OK with balancing that out with a focus on the litigation for now.   Besides, if you read the subtext of his big reveal of Kingdoms of Catastrophe, it's clear that he HOPES to sell this roadkill to unsuspecting bagholders in the future.

But he has not yet and you know it made me think of the "Unleashed" games which were old MMOs that failed and came back. Should we expect them to not report about those "new" MMOs? Perhaps the way forward is to always link these articles with a note about the litigation which is what they have done so far.

So if Jason Appleton announced Greedmonger 2 and launched another Kickstarter you think news sites should make articles about it where they show screenshots and his videos and just have a link on the bottom that says “See previous scandal here”?  Or Sergei Titov?

Sorry. What this guy did was so egregious in my opinion there is no circumstance where he gets another chance.   If there is any coverage it should START with something in the title like “Despite being x years late, y times over budget and being sued by its  customers SBS has announced work on a new CoE related project called Kingdoms of Catastrophe”.   Don’t bury the lede.

Well, that would be a little much to put in a title, but MassivelyOP did a good job recapping the studio's dark past before reporting on the new game.

They even closed with the ongoing litigation.

https://massivelyop.com/2021/02/18/chronicles-of-elyria-is-releasing-kingdoms-of-elyria-as-a-standalone-product-for-backers/

Slapshot1188

Kyleran said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Scot said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Scot said:

 It is a tricky one, is the site going to continue to have articles about litigation without hearing anything from CoE? I feel that would be one sided even though Jeremy avoids talking about anything relating to litigation.

After all the shit this guy pulled and how one-sided (in an enabling way) the official coverage was over the years (not just here) I'm OK with balancing that out with a focus on the litigation for now.   Besides, if you read the subtext of his big reveal of Kingdoms of Catastrophe, it's clear that he HOPES to sell this roadkill to unsuspecting bagholders in the future.

But he has not yet and you know it made me think of the "Unleashed" games which were old MMOs that failed and came back. Should we expect them to not report about those "new" MMOs? Perhaps the way forward is to always link these articles with a note about the litigation which is what they have done so far.

So if Jason Appleton announced Greedmonger 2 and launched another Kickstarter you think news sites should make articles about it where they show screenshots and his videos and just have a link on the bottom that says “See previous scandal here”?  Or Sergei Titov?

Sorry. What this guy did was so egregious in my opinion there is no circumstance where he gets another chance.   If there is any coverage it should START with something in the title like “Despite being x years late, y times over budget and being sued by its  customers SBS has announced work on a new CoE related project called Kingdoms of Catastrophe”.   Don’t bury the lede.

Well, that would be a little much to put in a title, but MassivelyOP did a good job recapping the studio's dark past before reporting on the new game.

They even closed with the ongoing litigation.

https://massivelyop.com/2021/02/18/chronicles-of-elyria-is-releasing-kingdoms-of-elyria-as-a-standalone-product-for-backers/

Yeah they may not have put it in the title but it sure was prominent.  They opened with:

“In early 2020, Chronicles of Elyria stunned MMO gamers by announcing it was out of money, had laid off the devs, had closed Soulbound Studio, and had ended development on the game. And though CEO Jeromy Walsh later retracted much of that and said the game was still in production with volunteer staff, the gamers who’d backed it for $14M+ in crowdfunds pressed onward with legal action.”

And closed with:

“As we’ve previously noted, the class-action lawsuit against both the studio and payment processor Xsolla continues for now; the plaintiffs have stated they believe their lawsuit will “likely get [them] access to a lot more behind the scenes information about the true status of the game.”

Of course they somehow seem to have mixed up the funds he blew but maybe the $14M includes his Coronavirus Payroll Protection loans and other such funding.

Kyleran

Numbers tend to inflate over time right?

Years in development, funding raised, number of backers etc, all tend to increase each time they've reported on or discussed.

According to some SC has raised $500M and been in development for over ten years now...(OK, not so far off, but still)

A little over $7M is what COE reported before they shut everything down last March. 

I've forgotten what the exact figures were but folks on the lawsuit site who sleuthed public records reported Jeremy applying for some amount of Covid-19 relief money less than a million, somewhere around $40O K maybe?

Slapshot1188

Kyleran said:

Numbers tend to inflate over time right?

Years in development, funding raised, number of backers etc, all tend to increase each time they've reported on or discussed.

According to some SC has raised $500M and been in development for over ten years now....

If Chris just invested his money at 2% interest he’d be bringing in close to a million a month.

Scot

Slapshot1188 said:

Quizzical said:

How could they get several years and millions of dollars into development and not even have some half-baked pre-alpha that they could release and declare the game "launched"?  Maybe it would be single-player, and it would probably be a buggy mess, but how can they not even have a demo to "launch"?

This is just my personal opinion:

Because the entire development team proved to be inept.  The project management from the very beginning was a joke.   They started, stopped, restarted, refocused countless times.   Massive amounts of work was tossed at each step.  There was zero accountability because it was done with money provided with no oversite.  Go back and check, his "State of Elyria" updates would list a bunch of stuff they were supposed to be working on, but those were barely (if at all) mentioned in the next update.  He just mentioned new, different shiny's and people followed right along.  When you bounce back and forth between "JOUSTING!!!!" to "CRAFTING!!" to "KINGDOM MANAGEMENT" to "PARKOUR".. you end up with very little, if anything... in a useable state and a lot of wasted time and effort.  I mean, the fact that this new Kingdoms of Catastrophe concept is shown in Unity when they were using Unreal right up until he closed/just kidding his studio should speak wonders to that...

Maybe @JeromyWalsh will be kind enough to answer your question directly.

You have remined me of when they had a big media push about empire building and selecting your domain, this accompanied a CF funding push, buy that land for your empire. It was accomplished by a video of parkour, parkour! I was flabbergasted at the ineptitude, the video had nothing to do with empire building. That was the level of mismanagement, a "schoolboy error" that I am not even sure a schoolboy would make.

Scot

Slapshot1188 said:

Kyleran said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Scot said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Scot said:

 It is a tricky one, is the site going to continue to have articles about litigation without hearing anything from CoE? I feel that would be one sided even though Jeremy avoids talking about anything relating to litigation.

After all the shit this guy pulled and how one-sided (in an enabling way) the official coverage was over the years (not just here) I'm OK with balancing that out with a focus on the litigation for now.   Besides, if you read the subtext of his big reveal of Kingdoms of Catastrophe, it's clear that he HOPES to sell this roadkill to unsuspecting bagholders in the future.

But he has not yet and you know it made me think of the "Unleashed" games which were old MMOs that failed and came back. Should we expect them to not report about those "new" MMOs? Perhaps the way forward is to always link these articles with a note about the litigation which is what they have done so far.

So if Jason Appleton announced Greedmonger 2 and launched another Kickstarter you think news sites should make articles about it where they show screenshots and his videos and just have a link on the bottom that says “See previous scandal here”?  Or Sergei Titov?

Sorry. What this guy did was so egregious in my opinion there is no circumstance where he gets another chance.   If there is any coverage it should START with something in the title like “Despite being x years late, y times over budget and being sued by its  customers SBS has announced work on a new CoE related project called Kingdoms of Catastrophe”.   Don’t bury the lede.

Well, that would be a little much to put in a title, but MassivelyOP did a good job recapping the studio's dark past before reporting on the new game.

They even closed with the ongoing litigation.

https://massivelyop.com/2021/02/18/chronicles-of-elyria-is-releasing-kingdoms-of-elyria-as-a-standalone-product-for-backers/

Yeah they may not have put it in the title but it sure was prominent.  They opened with:

“In early 2020, Chronicles of Elyria stunned MMO gamers by announcing it was out of money, had laid off the devs, had closed Soulbound Studio, and had ended development on the game. And though CEO Jeromy Walsh later retracted much of that and said the game was still in production with volunteer staff, the gamers who’d backed it for $14M+ in crowdfunds pressed onward with legal action.”

And closed with:

“As we’ve previously noted, the class-action lawsuit against both the studio and payment processor Xsolla continues for now; the plaintiffs have stated they believe their lawsuit will “likely get [them] access to a lot more behind the scenes information about the true status of the game.”

Of course they somehow seem to have mixed up the funds he blew but maybe the $14M includes his Coronavirus Payroll Protection loans and other such funding.

Well you are right that if he started anything new I would think people would need a hole in the head to back it. But what if it was sold of and finished by another team like we saw with Bless? Do they have to mention the litigation then? I would say so, but that could be seen as tarring a new studio needlessly when the blame was not theirs. I just don't think it is crystal clear what the best way forward is for the site on reporting this. As players it is crystal clear, avoid him.