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  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411
    Either way on the main topic Regulation is coming for the internet and Facebook on down to this forum will be effected.  Cases are making their way to the US Supreme Court and at least one Justice gave a partial opinion that entities with public spaces on the internet might not be as protected from lawsuits as they think.
    Gdemami
  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 3,100
    edited April 2021

    That's nothing, I don't even have to be a terrorist to get kicked off this forum! Just dissing FF14's combat is enough to get a ban here.
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  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,652
    YashaX said:

    That's nothing, I don't even have to be a terrorist to get kicked off this forum! Just dissing FF14's combat is enough to get a ban here.
    That's something you did on these forums at least.   Imagine they banned you because you dissed FF14 speaking to your next door neighbor offline...

    And imagine it wasn't just an online gaming forum but a massive, nearly indispensable company that shipped your medicine or hosted your small business...

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  • SandmanjwSandmanjw Member RarePosts: 531
    Iselin said:
    You're not telling me anything I don't already know. Regulations are needed to regulate those who need to be regulated not successful Mom and Pop convenience stores.

    The problem however is who does the regulating and how partisan or non partisan they are. Theoretically the government is us, the people, but that's a laugh and they have become an entity unto themselves that does not act in the best interest of the people other than in token or inescapable situations.

    I honestly think it might be too late because you need megabucks to be elected to anything more influential than dog catcher and those megabucks go to them with a lot of strings attached. At best you'll see them going after one megacorp for political reasons while ignoring others.

    Big tech is actually a favorite target of the right because they are perceived to be woke liberals. I have no idea if that's true or not but I have heard the rhetoric. How about going equally after Amazon, Apple but also big pharma or CVS Health or Shell or any of the other megacorps that may not be so liberal?

    Like I said, I'm a long time pro-regulator of those too big and those who can't regulate themselves. I don't play favorites with who to do it to. A lot more megacorps than Amazon need oversight.

    The main issue (or should be) is the companies we are discussing, are the ones with the power to shut down half the people in the country's ability to use some of the biggest way's to communicate, if they want.

    A mega-corp that sell pants...who cares. One that can muzzle the half of the country that is in other political party? Ya, who they can ban, and the how and the why, is a much bigger nightmare.




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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    edited April 2021
    Sandmanjw said:
    Iselin said:
    You're not telling me anything I don't already know. Regulations are needed to regulate those who need to be regulated not successful Mom and Pop convenience stores.

    The problem however is who does the regulating and how partisan or non partisan they are. Theoretically the government is us, the people, but that's a laugh and they have become an entity unto themselves that does not act in the best interest of the people other than in token or inescapable situations.

    I honestly think it might be too late because you need megabucks to be elected to anything more influential than dog catcher and those megabucks go to them with a lot of strings attached. At best you'll see them going after one megacorp for political reasons while ignoring others.

    Big tech is actually a favorite target of the right because they are perceived to be woke liberals. I have no idea if that's true or not but I have heard the rhetoric. How about going equally after Amazon, Apple but also big pharma or CVS Health or Shell or any of the other megacorps that may not be so liberal?

    Like I said, I'm a long time pro-regulator of those too big and those who can't regulate themselves. I don't play favorites with who to do it to. A lot more megacorps than Amazon need oversight.

    The main issue (or should be) is the companies we are discussing, are the ones with the power to shut down half the people in the country's ability to use some of the biggest way's to communicate, if they want.

    A mega-corp that sell pants...who cares. One that can muzzle the half of the country that is in other political party? Ya, who they can ban, and the how and the why, is a much bigger nightmare.




    The internet became a thing in my adult lifetime. It's not better in every way than what we had before. We somehow survived without it. Now the world would collapse with a couple of large enough EMP events,

    And as long as we're getting specific, we're talking about Twitch here. Who gives a fuck who is or isn't on Twitch? I don't.

    All I care about is watching The Jimquisition and that's on YT :)
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Ungood said:
    Sandmanjw said:
    Huge lawsuit incoming...............

    About time too...these companies thinking to be the moral/thought police need to be reined in...soon.
    You have a choice not to work for them.  companies generally have clauses that they can fire you for conduct detrimental to the image of the company.  Including your off hours.  No lawsuit would get far as there are no laws protecting you for what you do outside of work.

    The last thing companies want to deal with is BS related to employees behavior or social media statements.  You're free to say and do what you want and they are free to fire your ass.
    Should they be free to terminate you because they don't like your political views?

    It's a question, because ideally that is where this all will end, you will have a world view, or a belief, they they will find unacceptable, and currently, while religious views are protected by the EOE, political ones, are not.


    Too many people are extending political views to mean pushing lies about massive voter fraud.  You can be conservative and not regurgitate the clear lies of the politicians.

    Just stop outright lying and claiming it as truth.
    Lies as determined by whom?  Sometimes telling the truth will get you accused of lying.  Should it also get you fired even when you're correct?

    For example, Trump claimed that he won the 2020 election in a landslide.  He didn't, and no one on this thread is claiming that he did.  His speech at the ellipse had plenty of lies, demagoguery, and conspiracy theory peddling, though it wasn't really out of line with what you'd expect of a typical slimy politician.  Probably the best summary is that he went the full Stacey Abrams sore loser route.

    Speaking of whom, if people should get fired for claiming that Trump had the election stolen, should people also get fired for claiming that Stacey Abrams won her governor election in 2018 and that was stolen?  After all, that's literally exactly the same offense as claiming that Trump's election was stolen.

    Or how about the claims that Trump incited insurrection?  I've read his entire speech from the day of the riot.  For all that is wrong with it, there's nothing in it that could plausibly be called incitement of violence of any sort, let alone insurrection.  Claiming that he incited an insurrection is every bit as flagrant of a lie as claiming that Trump won the election and had it stolen.  Should the people peddling that lie be fired, too?

    Or there's a long list of other popularly believed lies that I could point to.  In most cases, the people claiming such lies actually believe them and don't realize that they're lies.  So many media sources are willing to peddle lies if it advances their narrative that you often can't determine what is true without checking the primary sources--and a lot of stories don't have primary sources that are checkable.  Should being taken in by one conspiracy theory or another be a firing offense?

    Or is it only the right's conspiracy theories that should be a firing offense, and not also the left's?

    Ideally, political views wouldn't be a firing offense outside of the handful of jobs that are explicitly political.  Ideally, companies would never want to fire people for their political views, so it wouldn't matter if it were legal for them to do so.  But now we have the modern phenomenon of a bunch of trolls getting together to demand that this or that person be fired for some real or imaginary offense and threatening a boycott if their demands aren't met, and sometimes companies cave and give the trolls what they want.

    What's the solution?  I don't know.  But just telling people not to lie isn't it.  That doesn't offer any protection from the troll mobs.
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    edited April 2021
    YashaX said:

    That's nothing, I don't even have to be a terrorist to get kicked off this forum! Just dissing FF14's combat is enough to get a ban here.
    I don't like FFXIV's combat, either.  The game did nearly everything well, but ended up being a mostly combat game with bad combat, and that ruined the game for me.
  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 3,100
    YashaX said:

    That's nothing, I don't even have to be a terrorist to get kicked off this forum! Just dissing FF14's combat is enough to get a ban here.
    That's something you did on these forums at least.   Imagine they banned you because you dissed FF14 speaking to your next door neighbor offline...

    And imagine it wasn't just an online gaming forum but a massive, nearly indispensable company that shipped your medicine or hosted your small business...

    Omg you are right, this move could be a threat to Alex Jones' supplement business! How am i gonna get my anti-gay man-juice if that happens!

     Wait  ... are you AJ????
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    t0nyd said:
    I don't understand why people protect corporations.

    Big pharma is a good example of socializing this cost while capitalizing the product. I take humira for autoimmune issues that I got from what the gov says is a part genetic part problem with the anthrax vaccination. Humira was developed mostly through subsidies from the tax payer. Humira would cost me 3200$ a month but luckily the VA pays it. The VA paying it means that the tax payers are paying for it again. Why so called libertarians and conservatives are ok with this is beyond me.
    I think this graph tells the story pretty well, don't you?

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/312014/average-price-of-humira-by-country/


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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,059
    YashaX said:

    That's nothing, I don't even have to be a terrorist to get kicked off this forum! Just dissing FF14's combat is enough to get a ban here.
    That's something you did on these forums at least.   Imagine they banned you because you dissed FF14 speaking to your next door neighbor offline...

    And imagine it wasn't just an online gaming forum but a massive, nearly indispensable company that shipped your medicine or hosted your small business...

    Better be careful not to piss them off then.

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  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,223
    Iselin said:
    t0nyd said:
    I don't understand why people protect corporations.

    Big pharma is a good example of socializing this cost while capitalizing the product. I take humira for autoimmune issues that I got from what the gov says is a part genetic part problem with the anthrax vaccination. Humira was developed mostly through subsidies from the tax payer. Humira would cost me 3200$ a month but luckily the VA pays it. The VA paying it means that the tax payers are paying for it again. Why so called libertarians and conservatives are ok with this is beyond me.
    I think this graph tells the story pretty well, don't you?

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/312014/average-price-of-humira-by-country/


    Makes sense, in a capitalist country, the price of an item is what people will pay, the insurances will pay, so that is the price.
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  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,223
    Ehh, i think the twitch thing is reserved for big names and people that make the news. 

    Yes, it can be abused, but so can everything. 

    Plan: dont do stupid shit, dont post stupid shit and you should be fine. 
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Iselin said:
    t0nyd said:
    I don't understand why people protect corporations.

    Big pharma is a good example of socializing this cost while capitalizing the product. I take humira for autoimmune issues that I got from what the gov says is a part genetic part problem with the anthrax vaccination. Humira was developed mostly through subsidies from the tax payer. Humira would cost me 3200$ a month but luckily the VA pays it. The VA paying it means that the tax payers are paying for it again. Why so called libertarians and conservatives are ok with this is beyond me.
    I think this graph tells the story pretty well, don't you?

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/312014/average-price-of-humira-by-country/


    Makes sense, in a capitalist country, the price of an item is what people will pay, the insurances will pay, so that is the price.
    Last time I looked the UK, Germany and Switzerland are also capitalist countries. So why 10X the cost in the US?

    If that makes sense to you, I have a bridge I want to unload at a bargain price.
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  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    edited April 2021
    I look at these posts.. I look at my avatar and username.

    and I see why as I read Orwell's works and then looked at the lens of humanity, it always seemed to easy to believe that humans could be put under such oppressive control without a fight, and some even embracing it and supporting it.

    "We asked for this"
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  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,223
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:
    t0nyd said:
    I don't understand why people protect corporations.

    Big pharma is a good example of socializing this cost while capitalizing the product. I take humira for autoimmune issues that I got from what the gov says is a part genetic part problem with the anthrax vaccination. Humira was developed mostly through subsidies from the tax payer. Humira would cost me 3200$ a month but luckily the VA pays it. The VA paying it means that the tax payers are paying for it again. Why so called libertarians and conservatives are ok with this is beyond me.
    I think this graph tells the story pretty well, don't you?

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/312014/average-price-of-humira-by-country/


    Makes sense, in a capitalist country, the price of an item is what people will pay, the insurances will pay, so that is the price.
    Last time I looked the UK, Germany and Switzerland are also capitalist countries. So why 10X the cost in the US?

    If that makes sense to you, I have a bridge I want to unload at a bargain price.
    Yes, not every capitalist country is the same. My point is that in a free market with capitalism, what (whoever) someone pays, is what it will cost. Every country is different and every country has different parameters though they may both be capitalistic. 

    Also, have you seen the prices of any hospital or clinic visit in the US, health insurance or government pays the bulk of it and not the people. Pharma can get health insurance to pay X, then that is what they will charge. 

    If you think of it, once you've made your product, where the bulk of the cost is probably R&D and FDA approval and such. I am assuming the manufacturing is a small amount. So then the pharma companies probably go to each country and say, "hey, i have this drug, what will you pay". They negotiate it and sell the drug. If you're already making 20,000% markup on the manufactured drug per unit, it's fine to do 10,000% markup per unit to another country rather then just making it and not selling it. It probably all has to do with bargaining power and leverage a country has vs the pharma company. For example, with single payer entities, the government of the country has a ton of leverage over the pharma where america is broken up into many different health insurances which each negotiate their price along with the government. 

    At some point what a country will pay for a drug and what pharma will sell it for is agreed upon and it is sold. Hence, the price that is 10x more in the US. 

    Im' not justifying it, just saying that, yeah in the world we live in, it makes sense. Also, given that medicare/medicaid pays a fraction of a dollar, a lot of bills are overinflated to reach a level of revenue for the clinic and/or hospital. It ain't right, but it is reality. 


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  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,414
    Torval said:
    These actions include engaging in deadly violence, terrorist activities, grooming children for sexual exploitation, committing sexual assault or even “acting as an accomplice to non-consensual sexual activities.” It will also continue to consider offline harassment in cases where a user alleges abuse online.

    I guess don't do those things?

    Lawmakers have threatened to strip tech giants of their liability under the communications protection act. So, blame the party that gutted Net Neutrality. Since we can't get political here, even though our very civil fabric is under assault, I'll leave you to guess which group installed and championed Ajit Pai. Even though he's now gone, thankfully, the damage he did to online Civil Liberties, among other things, is huge.

    Can you imagine the outrage if Twitch didn't censure people who engage in those activities? Worse, can you imagine the lawsuits and revenge by that one political party that hates the big tech sector? This is the consequence the rest of us pay for abandoning civil democracy for hostile partisan political tribalism. When capitalism is politically weaponized this is how mega-corporations respond.


    The Net Neutrality rules of 2014 were some of the stupidest rulemaking I have seen from the FCC since they decided to censor radio broadcasts. Hundreds of billions were dropped from broadband infrastructure investment as a result. Ajit Pai was FCC commissioner for 4 years. None of the dooms day people used to justify the 2014 rulemaking even happened.
    To me that rulemaking was to give the government more power to regulate internet companies. All the talk surrounding it was just propaganda by people who's understanding of the internet ends when they plug an ethernet port into an outlet.

    Since the '80s the FCC had a hands off approach to the internet. The FCC through the 2000s was a budget neutral government agency. It made money by selling RF Spectrum and used it to pay it's employees and subsidize rural broadband.
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  • RungarRungar Member RarePosts: 1,132
    Ungood said:
    I look at these posts.. I look at my avatar and username.

    and I see why as I read Orwell's works and then looked at the lens of humanity, it always seemed to easy to believe that humans could be put under such oppressive control without a fight, and some even embracing it and supporting it.

    "We asked for this"


    You really just need to understand that the USA is currently the host for the parasite. The parasite has drained the host dry and now the host is dying. The parasite has numbed you to its existence with its control of media, government, and currency. 

    The parasite, knowing the end is near for the host, built up a new host (China) over the last 50 years and is now ready to move to the new host. This will be a dangerous time for the parasite and well everyone!

    When the move is complete the old host, drained of its essence, will be broken up  and left to wither and die. The usa will become the worlds biggest welfare state(s) as the last things of value are packed up and shipped out.

    It is unfortunate because the USA is the worlds last gasp of freedom, and when its gone, unless something changes, all freedom will be extinguished. People didnt ask for it. They just dont know or understand the parasite or its nature. 

    Wouldnt be much of a parasite if you all did.   

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  • CleffyCleffy Member RarePosts: 6,414
    t0nyd said:
    I also like using the internet as an example. The internet was created by darpa to network the military. Of course the tax payer paid for the internets development. So why does comcast and at&t get to sell it to us?

    Why do these corps get absurd subsidies to bring broadband to rural communities, refuse to actually do it, and the government shrugs.

    The internet should have been considered a utility day one. Everything that our tax $ go into should be partly owned by us.  
    I like fast internet. And you don't understand the Utilities market in the US. All utilities are private companies that do the bare minimum since they are given a monopoly.

    The US is one of the largest countries in the world. Just because a small country can offer fast internet doesn't mean it scales to a country like the US with a lower population density. There are parts of the US that a cable must be run hundreds of miles just to service 1 customer with internet. The cable will also probably need replacing in a couple years. Figuring out solutions to these issues requires a multitude of approaches that a utility model does not solve.

    What the US has is a self-regulating market that is subsidized by RF Spectrum licensing. There are 2 tiers of internet providers. There are providers who simply run cable from region to region and connect with other ISPs. Then there are ISPs that connect people within a local region. With this method, a company needs to partner with many others and it helps limit abuse. Take for instance Comcast wants to charge ATT for access to it's network. This would violate Cogent's rules to access it's network and they will place restrictions on Comcast or remove them from it's service.
  • HorusraHorusra Member EpicPosts: 4,411
    Iselin said:
    Iselin said:
    t0nyd said:
    I don't understand why people protect corporations.

    Big pharma is a good example of socializing this cost while capitalizing the product. I take humira for autoimmune issues that I got from what the gov says is a part genetic part problem with the anthrax vaccination. Humira was developed mostly through subsidies from the tax payer. Humira would cost me 3200$ a month but luckily the VA pays it. The VA paying it means that the tax payers are paying for it again. Why so called libertarians and conservatives are ok with this is beyond me.
    I think this graph tells the story pretty well, don't you?

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/312014/average-price-of-humira-by-country/


    Makes sense, in a capitalist country, the price of an item is what people will pay, the insurances will pay, so that is the price.
    Last time I looked the UK, Germany and Switzerland are also capitalist countries. So why 10X the cost in the US?

    If that makes sense to you, I have a bridge I want to unload at a bargain price.
    With socialist health care systems.
    IselinYashaXGdemami
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Iselin said:
    t0nyd said:
    I don't understand why people protect corporations.

    Big pharma is a good example of socializing this cost while capitalizing the product. I take humira for autoimmune issues that I got from what the gov says is a part genetic part problem with the anthrax vaccination. Humira was developed mostly through subsidies from the tax payer. Humira would cost me 3200$ a month but luckily the VA pays it. The VA paying it means that the tax payers are paying for it again. Why so called libertarians and conservatives are ok with this is beyond me.
    I think this graph tells the story pretty well, don't you?

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/312014/average-price-of-humira-by-country/
    How drugs should be priced is a weird problem.  It costs billions of dollars to develop a new drug and do the proper testing to verify that it is both safe and effective.  Most new drugs lose money, often because they end up being either unsafe or ineffective, so you spent a ton of money to develop and test the drug and then can't sell it.  There are a lot of things that drug companies could develop, but decline to do so because they expect that they'd lose money on the drug.

    After a drug is developed and shown to be safe and effective, it usually costs very little to create each dose.  It's kind of like the usual copyright problem.  It's enormously expensive to create the first copy of software or a big-budget movie or whatever, but making each additional copy is extremely cheap.

    This creates a free rider problem.  A given country knows that a given drug already exists, and it's just a question of what the company that created it can charge for it.  If you allow the company to charge whatever they want, it could be quite a lot.  If they cap what the company can charge at a little more than the per dose price, then the company can't make very much money selling the drug in that country, but the alternative is to refuse to sell the drug at all and make nothing.  And countries are likely to just ignore the drug patent and produce it themselves if a drug company tries that.

    For a given small country to pay a lot or a little for drugs doesn't have very much effect on the global profits of the drug, but it does have an enormous local effect on how much people in that country has to pay.  So a lot of countries want a free ride and demand that their drugs be cheap.

    But if all countries did that, then the drug company can't make very much money, even on drugs that are highly successful in a medical sense.  With prices set too low, they might not even be able to recover their costs of developing the drug in the first place.

    Companies not being able to make money on past drugs doesn't make those drugs vanish.  Most drugs aren't very hard to produce, just like most software isn't hard to copy.  But if all countries made it so that there wasn't profit to be had in making new drugs, then drug companies would stop developing them.  At that point, the new, lifesaving drugs that could have been developed in the future don't exist.

    There are trade-offs here, of course.  It's not a hard cut-off between all possible new drugs being developed quickly and nothing ever being created.  The more that companies can make off of new drugs that they produce, the more new drugs they'll develop.  But there's still a huge free-rider problem, and in the trade-off between new drugs being developed and getting cheap prices on old drugs today, most other countries lean much further in the direction of the latter than the United States does.

    In the short term, the trade-off is only between cheap drugs and expensive drugs.  In the long-term, one option is drugs that are expensive for a while, then cheap once they come off patent and there are generics.  The other option is that the new drugs don't exist at all, and the people who would have benefitted from them just suffer or die instead.
    Gdemami
  • WhiteLanternWhiteLantern Member RarePosts: 3,319
    Wow, this thread has gotten all over the place.
    Has the second ammendment been added to the conversation yet?
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    t0nyd said:
    I also like using the internet as an example. The internet was created by darpa to network the military. Of course the tax payer paid for the internets development. So why does comcast and at&t get to sell it to us?

    Why do these corps get absurd subsidies to bring broadband to rural communities, refuse to actually do it, and the government shrugs.

    The internet should have been considered a utility day one. Everything that our tax $ go into should be partly owned by us.  
    Had the Internet been considered a highly regulated utility from the very start, the networks mostly wouldn't have been built and most people wouldn't have access at all.  In the early days of the Internet, there wasn't a whole lot there, most people had no clue that it existed, and hardly anyone was clamoring for access.

    The case for treating Internet access as a utility that everyone has to have access to became stronger with time.  It's heavily integrated into people's lives today in ways that it just wasn't 30 years ago.  But you still don't have access unless someone builds a network out to where you are to give you access.  And building out that network is expensive.  And you don't get better access than you previously had until someone builds a better network, and that's also expensive.

    The case of rural Internet is a harder one, as when you're laying out fiber optic cables, the cost per house that you connect depends tremendously on how far apart those houses are.  It costs a lot more to dig a ditch a thousand feet long than fifty.  It just does.  You can rely more heavily on wireless Internet, but that's not nearly as good as wired.

    In this as in many other situations in life, there are trade-offs between the price tag and the quality of access.  I'm often happy with regulations that ISPs have to give people access, at least apart from things like cutting it off if people refuse to pay bills.  Regulations to try to force that access to be cheaper are likely to deter building future networks, however.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Wow, this thread has gotten all over the place.
    Has the second ammendment been added to the conversation yet?
    It has now.
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  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    Rungar said:
    Ungood said:
    I look at these posts.. I look at my avatar and username.

    and I see why as I read Orwell's works and then looked at the lens of humanity, it always seemed to easy to believe that humans could be put under such oppressive control without a fight, and some even embracing it and supporting it.

    "We asked for this"


    You really just need to understand that the USA is currently the host for the parasite. The parasite has drained the host dry and now the host is dying. The parasite has numbed you to its existence with its control of media, government, and currency. 

    The parasite, knowing the end is near for the host, built up a new host (China) over the last 50 years and is now ready to move to the new host. This will be a dangerous time for the parasite and well everyone!

    When the move is complete the old host, drained of its essence, will be broken up  and left to wither and die. The usa will become the worlds biggest welfare state(s) as the last things of value are packed up and shipped out.

    It is unfortunate because the USA is the worlds last gasp of freedom, and when its gone, unless something changes, all freedom will be extinguished. People didnt ask for it. They just dont know or understand the parasite or its nature. 

    Wouldnt be much of a parasite if you all did.   

    Fascinating Theory.
    Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.

  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    edited April 2021
    Wow, this thread has gotten all over the place.
    Has the second ammendment been added to the conversation yet?
    Well Trump was mentioned like a bazillion times, so I'd write that off as "Close enough" 
    Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.

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