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New World Details Its PVP Vision In Recent Blog Post | MMORPG.com

SystemSystem Member UncommonPosts: 12,599
edited April 2021 in News & Features Discussion

imageNew World Details Its PVP Vision In Recent Blog Post | MMORPG.com

PvP was always a major part of New World ever since its first inception, and the team took to their blog recently to talk about their vision for PvP in their MMO.

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  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 3,076
    New World started out as a PvP game. Marketing must have told them that no PvP game has ever made big money. They thought PvP was "content".

    So now they're trying to create content and change the game. But they can't let go of the original idea.
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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    Well pvp makes the MOST money just not in a role playing game type design.

    Example Fortnite,Valorant,all the shooters.

    claiming both pve and pvp can co exist is a bit of a false claim.

    If a player cannot touch the other player it is like putting each player in a 24/7 instance.
    If you stick pve players in actual instances it is not co existing.If a pvp 20-20 battle is going on and pve players cannot interact at all then it is NOT co existing anymore than just using the same login screen to enter the game.

    It is like saying i live in Ontario so i am coexisting with my fellow Canadians.

    I can exist on the same street as 50 other people but never once interact with any of them.

    So they will SEPARATE the two causes and claim they are co existing lol.

    I am baffled as to how they will implement ideas like 20-20 with only 3 factions there will be thousands of players all wanting in.Are thjey going to create instances for pvp as well,just turn the whole game into one giant game of instancing?
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  • losthewarlosthewar Member UncommonPosts: 132
    Did that dude just say no pvp game has ever made money? World of warcraft off the top of the head... They let you kill each other from day 1, pretty sure that is a pvp game and it seems to make a dollar or two. Olepi is special
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  • olepiolepi Member EpicPosts: 3,076

    losthewar said:

    Did that dude just say no pvp game has ever made money? World of warcraft off the top of the head... They let you kill each other from day 1, pretty sure that is a pvp game and it seems to make a dollar or two. Olepi is special



    No, I meant a PvP-only MMO has never made big money.

    Shooters and battle royale games are of course different.

    And I'll wager that the vast majority of WoW players are primarily PvE.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    edited April 2021
    They need better writers for their blogs. They write everything as if they're doing something truly unique and original when it's just stuff that has been done hundreds of times in other games.

    It's like they think their audience has never played this type of game before and wouldn't know. Who knows? Maybe that IS their target audience.

    But to me it reads more like this might be new to them and that doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

    For some reason reading their blogs I always think back to the time when this site did an interview with them and asked them about dual-welding and they brought up sword + shield as a type of DW they already have... no really, they did :) 


    "So talking to some of the weapons that you want to add in the game, like pistols, is there currently dual wielding in New World right now?

    In New World we have the sword in the shield, which is where you hold the sword in one hand and the shield in the other hand. That is our only sort of dual-wielded weapon right now.

    https://www.mmorpg.com/interviews/new-world-interview-talking-combat-pvp-and-more-with-david-verfaillie-2000118463



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  • AlleinAllein Member RarePosts: 2,139

    olepi said:



    losthewar said:


    Did that dude just say no pvp game has ever made money? World of warcraft off the top of the head... They let you kill each other from day 1, pretty sure that is a pvp game and it seems to make a dollar or two. Olepi is special






    No, I meant a PvP-only MMO has never made big money.



    Shooters and battle royale games are of course different.



    And I'll wager that the vast majority of WoW players are primarily PvE.



    What is a PVP only MMO?
  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 10,029
    aivarioha said:
    Holy shit they basically came out and said nothing. PvP is still gonna be dogs ass like it was.

    It will most likely be a lukewarm PVP and PVE game trying to appeal to the masses of both worlds.....
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  • JakobmillerJakobmiller Member RarePosts: 694
    Gah, and here I thought we would get one of those nice open world sandbox mmos. Not this time. Not this time.
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  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 8,178
    edited April 2021
    WoW has PvP but I doubt it is classified as a PvP game. It's an MMORPG that has limited PvP in its BGs unless you join an actual PvP server but most of those have an unbalanced population resulting in a mostly PvE game.

    The only reason it has successful PvP is because it separated the players into servers and there is no penalties when you die in PvP. This an important distinction.

    EvE is successful but it is nowhere close to what WoW is. WoW is successful because they separated the players into servers and allowed the BGs on the PvE servers that appealed to people who mostly PvE but enjoy PvPing without risk. It is a great combination and one you cannot beat.

  • ultimateduckultimateduck Member EpicPosts: 1,310
    I think the closest game to be considered a successful PvP MMO is Dark Age of Camelot. Even though the game was designed around realm vs realm, it had quite a bit of PvE. Someone could play that game for years and never PvP (RvR).

    If New World takes notes from DAoC with keeping PvP and PvE separate, yet coexisting at the same time, they could have a good game. I am interested in seeing how it goes.
  • xpsyncxpsync Member EpicPosts: 1,854
    Wait, i thought this was a pvp only game.
    Wait, i thought this was a pve only game.
    Wait, i thought this was a... to be determined.
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  • AlleinAllein Member RarePosts: 2,139

    TheAmir said:



    Allein said:





    olepi said:







    losthewar said:




    Did that dude just say no pvp game has ever made money? World of warcraft off the top of the head... They let you kill each other from day 1, pretty sure that is a pvp game and it seems to make a dollar or two. Olepi is special












    No, I meant a PvP-only MMO has never made big money.







    Shooters and battle royale games are of course different.







    And I'll wager that the vast majority of WoW players are primarily PvE.









    What is a PVP only MMO?








    Any MMO with forced PVP content is a PVP MMO.




    I didn't ask what a PVP MMO was, but what is a PVP "ONLY" MMO. Implies that is all there is which I don't believe exists.

    I've never seen anyone "forced" to play a video game regardless of what it offered. Games are a choice.
  • mklinicmklinic Member RarePosts: 2,014
    Allein said:

    I didn't ask what a PVP MMO was, but what is a PVP "ONLY" MMO. Implies that is all there is which I don't believe exists.

    I've never seen anyone "forced" to play a video game regardless of what it offered. Games are a choice.
    Maybe Planetside 1/2 for PVP only, but might need someone else to verify as I've not looked into those games in some time.
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  • RungarRungar Member RarePosts: 1,132
    I guess it will be PvD soon. 

    players vs developers.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    mklinic said:
    Allein said:

    I didn't ask what a PVP MMO was, but what is a PVP "ONLY" MMO. Implies that is all there is which I don't believe exists.

    I've never seen anyone "forced" to play a video game regardless of what it offered. Games are a choice.
    Maybe Planetside 1/2 for PVP only, but might need someone else to verify as I've not looked into those games in some time.
    Only ones I can think of too.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,478
    "Is to have PvP and PvE gameplay not only coexist, but complement each other so players can bounce back and forth between focusing on PvP and PvE. Our goal is for players to receive equal rewards for the same time invested with similar risk."

    If the rewards for PvP or PvE are the same there will be huge issues. I get tired of pointing this sort of thing out, devs should know this by now. Well I can only hope I am wrong.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Scot said:
    "Is to have PvP and PvE gameplay not only coexist, but complement each other so players can bounce back and forth between focusing on PvP and PvE. Our goal is for players to receive equal rewards for the same time invested with similar risk."

    If the rewards for PvP or PvE are the same there will be huge issues. I get tired of pointing this sort of thing out, devs should know this by now. Well I can only hope I am wrong.
    I think you're focusing on the wrong thing. Their idea of "similar risk" will be the real problem.

    They already have no separate gear or stats for PvP and PvE. If that's a problem for you, it's already there.
    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

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  • ultimateduckultimateduck Member EpicPosts: 1,310
    Iselin said:
    mklinic said:
    Allein said:

    I didn't ask what a PVP MMO was, but what is a PVP "ONLY" MMO. Implies that is all there is which I don't believe exists.

    I've never seen anyone "forced" to play a video game regardless of what it offered. Games are a choice.
    Maybe Planetside 1/2 for PVP only, but might need someone else to verify as I've not looked into those games in some time.
    Only ones I can think of too.

    Isn't Darkfall a PvP MMO? I also thought Shadowbane was a PvP MMO. One could also argue that any sandbox MMO is a PvP MMO.

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    ultimateduck said:
    Iselin said:
    mklinic said:
    Allein said:

    I didn't ask what a PVP MMO was, but what is a PVP "ONLY" MMO. Implies that is all there is which I don't believe exists.

    I've never seen anyone "forced" to play a video game regardless of what it offered. Games are a choice.
    Maybe Planetside 1/2 for PVP only, but might need someone else to verify as I've not looked into those games in some time.
    Only ones I can think of too.

    Isn't Darkfall a PvP MMO? I also thought Shadowbane was a PvP MMO. One could also argue that any sandbox MMO is a PvP MMO.

    I think all of those have PvE mobs mixed in. "PvP only MMO" is a very narrow criteria and I can't think of anything other than the Planetside games that can be considered both an MMO and PvP only.


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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Fort/fortress thing, progress. Could be great could be crippled.
  • GreenSage39GreenSage39 Member UncommonPosts: 144
    This is probably why they got rid of the new LOTR game. Just simpletons being simple.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,478
    edited April 2021
    Iselin said:
    Scot said:
    "Is to have PvP and PvE gameplay not only coexist, but complement each other so players can bounce back and forth between focusing on PvP and PvE. Our goal is for players to receive equal rewards for the same time invested with similar risk."

    If the rewards for PvP or PvE are the same there will be huge issues. I get tired of pointing this sort of thing out, devs should know this by now. Well I can only hope I am wrong.
    I think you're focusing on the wrong thing. Their idea of "similar risk" will be the real problem.

    They already have no separate gear or stats for PvP and PvE. If that's a problem for you, it's already there.
    The reason that it is problem is the issues it causes. Players will quickly work out there is a best way of getting gear, PvE or PvP and that's all they will do. If the rewards are not segregated only one path will be chosen. Maybe that's what you are talking about when you mention risk. All they need to do is have two sets which look exactly the same but with different stats. One suited to PvP, the other to PvE, I find it hard to believe players are not kicking up a fuss about this, it would hardly be a huge time sink to do.
  • theGnadetheGnade Member UncommonPosts: 147
    To me it seems like Amazon devs & designers are so out of touch with games. Look WoW- PVP gives PVE rewards...it doesn't really work. I think with New World they should go back to original concept, but make it more appealing not to kill others, reduce gear fear and along side it develop pve content.
  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843

    Scot said:


    Iselin said:


    Scot said:

    "Is to have PvP and PvE gameplay not only coexist, but complement each other so players can bounce back and forth between focusing on PvP and PvE. Our goal is for players to receive equal rewards for the same time invested with similar risk."



    If the rewards for PvP or PvE are the same there will be huge issues. I get tired of pointing this sort of thing out, devs should know this by now. Well I can only hope I am wrong.


    I think you're focusing on the wrong thing. Their idea of "similar risk" will be the real problem.

    They already have no separate gear or stats for PvP and PvE. If that's a problem for you, it's already there.


    The reason that it is problem is the issues it causes. Players will quickly work out there is a best way of getting gear, PvE or PvP and that's all they will do. If the rewards are not segregated only one path will be chosen. Maybe that's what you are talking about when you mention risk. All they need to do is have two sets which look exactly the same but with different stats. One suited to PvP, the other to PvE, I find it hard to believe players are not kicking up a fuss about this, it would hardly be a huge time sink to do.



    Terrible idea. One item one game. Let them earn their money and balance the risk.
  • ultimateduckultimateduck Member EpicPosts: 1,310
    Iselin said:
    ultimateduck said:
    Iselin said:
    mklinic said:
    Allein said:

    I didn't ask what a PVP MMO was, but what is a PVP "ONLY" MMO. Implies that is all there is which I don't believe exists.

    I've never seen anyone "forced" to play a video game regardless of what it offered. Games are a choice.
    Maybe Planetside 1/2 for PVP only, but might need someone else to verify as I've not looked into those games in some time.
    Only ones I can think of too.

    Isn't Darkfall a PvP MMO? I also thought Shadowbane was a PvP MMO. One could also argue that any sandbox MMO is a PvP MMO.

    I think all of those have PvE mobs mixed in. "PvP only MMO" is a very narrow criteria and I can't think of anything other than the Planetside games that can be considered both an MMO and PvP only.



    I don't think "PvP only" means an MMO world with nothing but player characters. I think it means you can only play in a PvP environment where PvP is the most viable means of leveling. Saying a game isn't PvP only because it had random mobs running around the world or NPC keep guards is a bit silly.

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