Chinese facial recognition, not at all creepy or controlling

MightyUnclean

Facial recognition of kids to control their gaming time:

https://massivelyop.com/2021/07/08/chinese-gamers-beware-tencents-games-now-tattle-on-minors-using-facial-recognition/

Scorchien

I had a client a few years ago he bought an entire floor of One Liberty  here in Philly , we put in facial recognition for every door on the floor ..

Gorwe

Fuck all this technofascism: china, covid passport etc.

Meh, such topics are just too exhausting. Ime.

KnightFalz

Some parents in comparatively free countries would love to have similar control over the game play of their own children late at night.

Tamanous

This technology gives private business the ability to enforce their own policies (outside of the political and enforcement system) and creates a social credit society.

Your movement, payments and interactions with others are all recorded and shared between businesses and influenced by public and private sector complaints. 

This creates the ultimate cancel culture. The society you live in will reject you and block your access to things. This is exactly what is happening in China and is precisely what is happening with covid vaccination tracking currently.

This is the tip of the iceberg. It only gets worse from here ... and no, there is no stopping it. There is too much momentum toward it right now. You WILL see it in video games as it's already a digital, online experience. You are already seeing it in new TOS agreements. They consider every interaction you do, using their code as their owned property. Autonomous video gaming is dead.

Remember how Siri and Alexa listen ALL the time in your household? You WILL be profiled. They already have the data. They continue to gain data and will use it eventually. Pretty soon, one misspoken word that you don't even remember saying, will affect your freedom within a society. It's a matter of time. Could it provide prevention benefits? Sure, but that's a very, very slippery slope.

I've had several discussions with people asking why 5G networks are pushed so fast upon us, when most users don't even use 4G to it's fullest capacity (usually due to data costs and limits). I told them to stop thinking about the consumer's perspective. Consumer power has long since diminished. 5G networks allow both government and private sector to provide all consumer services AND future proofs digital surveillance and automation technologies. It's not about consumer interest. Sure you can stream amazingly well, but this data is not going through servers you control.

Quizzical

Tamanous said:

I've had several discussions with people asking why 5G networks are pushed so fast upon us, when most users don't even use 4G to it's fullest capacity (usually due to data costs and limits). I told them to stop thinking about the consumer's perspective. Consumer power has long since diminished. 5G networks allow both government and private sector to provide all consumer services AND future proofs digital surveillance and automation technologies. It's not about consumer interest. Sure you can stream amazingly well, but this data is not going through servers you control.

That explanation really doesn't work.  If your goal in designing a cellular network is to track the users, you don't need 5G or even 4G to do that.  2G can do it just fine.  If your phone is available to take a call, then it's constantly broadcasting its location.

Even if the goal is to track what people run on their phone and broadcast it to the carrier, 5G doesn't really offer much over 4G.  How much data do you think they want to keep on you, anyway?  If they're trying to transmit enough to be a problem on 4G bandwidth, it will be too expensive to be practical to store it all, let alone do anything with it.

Quizzical

This seems hard to enforce unless backed by criminal penalties for cheating.  It seems like it would be too easy to just put a picture or video of someone else's face in front of a camera.

Tamanous

Quizzical said:

Tamanous said:

I've had several discussions with people asking why 5G networks are pushed so fast upon us, when most users don't even use 4G to it's fullest capacity (usually due to data costs and limits). I told them to stop thinking about the consumer's perspective. Consumer power has long since diminished. 5G networks allow both government and private sector to provide all consumer services AND future proofs digital surveillance and automation technologies. It's not about consumer interest. Sure you can stream amazingly well, but this data is not going through servers you control.

That explanation really doesn't work.  If your goal in designing a cellular network is to track the users, you don't need 5G or even 4G to do that.  2G can do it just fine.  If your phone is available to take a call, then it's constantly broadcasting its location.

Even if the goal is to track what people run on their phone and broadcast it to the carrier, 5G doesn't really offer much over 4G.  How much data do you think they want to keep on you, anyway?  If they're trying to transmit enough to be a problem on 4G bandwidth, it will be too expensive to be practical to store it all, let alone do anything with it.

Again, you continue to think from the consumer's perspective. I speak of additional bandwidth used by business and government. Consumerism is what provides payment for it. Consumer demand may not yet be secondary, but it will be.

How do think 5G networks so quickly get government clearance for installation in both private and pubic sectors including SPACE?! 

It takes years to get licenses and clearance for various constructions and new technologies typically, but 5G was installed without a single public health investigation. This was revealed live, publicly at Congress hearings. I watched them. Company representatives admitted, live on air, that there was no private or independent research on public health before 5G was rolled out to hundreds of millions of people in the USA alone.

I believe you are still blue pilled over the intent todays technologies. We moved beyond consumer driven choices years ago. Their intent is not to track in the future, social media was invented to track you from day 1. It's been this way since at least 2007. We live in the big data era. Consumers are not people anymore, they are tracked data. It drives our entire consumer society. Your profile is bought, traded and owned. China has already shown where this leads.

There is only one direction for this. 

Also, what do you think drives AI research? To get a nanny bot for your child? lol no. AI development is driven nearly entirely for big data analysis. A person will not pull the trigger on removing your freedoms or banning you from a game. It will be AI. Humans will be managed by AI and any recourse you have will be communicated through AI controlled algorithms. It's already happening and will be adopted by any digital industry. 

I am not being hyperbolic or spinning conspiracy. This is strictly observation. It's all around us already. Many of the freedoms I had when I was younger are mere illusions today. This why younger generations become saturated by new propaganda. Youth doesn't have the perspective of time. Our present is our grandparents dystopia. 

A consumer is someone who chooses when and where to spend their money. A consumer has choice. What choice do you have when a game company controls access to the network that runs all of their games? What choice do you have when you are required to piggy back all of your services to one ISP or one social network? What choice do you have when you must adhere to a ToS and CoC agreement that clearly defines your actions at every moment? It's binary. You are "granted" access or are denied access and have no recourse. You are not a consumer. You are a slave.

AAAMEOW

Quizzical said:

This seems hard to enforce unless backed by criminal penalties for cheating.  It seems like it would be too easy to just put a picture or video of someone else's face in front of a camera.

I presume the system can distinguish between real people from photos and videos.  Your game ID is most likely tracked too.  

I like the system to stop people from over playing too much video game.  It's just not healthy.

MightyUnclean

AAAMEOW said:

Quizzical said:

This seems hard to enforce unless backed by criminal penalties for cheating.  It seems like it would be too easy to just put a picture or video of someone else's face in front of a camera.

I presume the system can distinguish between real people from photos and videos.  Your game ID is most likely tracked too.  

I like the system to stop people from over playing too much video game.  It's just not healthy.

It's a strange world we live in, where some people are happy with increasing government control of our everyday activities.  I guess they don't see the danger of the slippery slope.

Amaranthar

MightyUnclean said:

AAAMEOW said:

Quizzical said:

This seems hard to enforce unless backed by criminal penalties for cheating.  It seems like it would be too easy to just put a picture or video of someone else's face in front of a camera.

I presume the system can distinguish between real people from photos and videos.  Your game ID is most likely tracked too.  

I like the system to stop people from over playing too much video game.  It's just not healthy.

It's a strange world we live in, where some people are happy with increasing government control of our everyday activities.  I guess they don't see the danger of the slippery slope.

The longer you're on that slippery slope, the closer you come to that moment when you slip. 
And it's always a surprise. 

iixviiiix

AAAMEOW said:

Quizzical said:

This seems hard to enforce unless backed by criminal penalties for cheating.  It seems like it would be too easy to just put a picture or video of someone else's face in front of a camera.

I presume the system can distinguish between real people from photos and videos.  Your game ID is most likely tracked too.  

I like the system to stop people from over playing too much video game.  It's just not healthy.

There is a system called time and everyone is limited with 24h a day, god forbid us to play 25 hours a day.

Sovrath

AAAMEOW said:

Quizzical said:

This seems hard to enforce unless backed by criminal penalties for cheating.  It seems like it would be too easy to just put a picture or video of someone else's face in front of a camera.

I presume the system can distinguish between real people from photos and videos.  Your game ID is most likely tracked too.  

I like the system to stop people from over playing too much video game.  It's just not healthy.

I don't think people should be protected from themselves unless they want it.

I'm completely for programs for people in need of help but shouldn't they decide how much time is "enough?"

Then again, China has a different culture so who knows what's considered acceptable there. 

Sylvinstar

Look at everything going on in the world through the lense of Power/Control and most things become apparent.

Use of social pressures and cancel culture to get rid of free speech
Use of technology to 'big brother' your life and monitor what you do and say, as well as filter what information you receive.

Brazen abuses of power by governments with media and business that are in lock-step with their goals.

cameltosis

I will admit, I get a bit freaked out by stuff like this.

With my background in computer science, I'm all too aware of just how insecure all technology is and how easy it is to use it for nefarious purposes. I hate the fact that my devices are listening in, or that my webcam could be easily hacked.

So, I already live in a world where I keep my Alexa unplugged unless im using it, I keep tape over my webcam unless im using it and I put my phone in another room if I'm having a sensitive conversation.

I also, absolutely 100% do not trust big tech. I've been through my settings on my phone with a fine toothcomb to turn off everything I can, yet it still definitely listens in to what im saying. My housemate and I both enjoy our tech, so we put it to the test on a number of occasions. We'd talk about something we had no interest in whatsoever (e.g. we talked about dog baskets and dog toys for a few days, despite neither of us owning dogs) and within 24 hours we'd start getting adverts on facebook and google and amazon for dog-related stuff.

I'm pretty sure that sort of thing is illegal, but that somewhere in the fineprint of our contracts we've probably signed away our right to privacy.

With China and the switch specifically, I'm not surprised they're doing this facial monitoring, but I am shocked that Nintendo have given them the ability to do so.

KnightFalz

cameltosis said:

With China and the switch specifically, I'm not surprised they're doing this facial monitoring, but I am shocked that Nintendo have given them the ability to do so.

It's a big market to want to retain access to, such that even large companies are willing to bend their knee a bit to do so.

Gorwe

Tamanous said:

This technology gives private business the ability to enforce their own policies (outside of the political and enforcement system) and creates a social credit society.

Your movement, payments and interactions with others are all recorded and shared between businesses and influenced by public and private sector complaints. 

This creates the ultimate cancel culture. The society you live in will reject you and block your access to things. This is exactly what is happening in China and is precisely what is happening with covid vaccination tracking currently.

This is the tip of the iceberg. It only gets worse from here ... and no, there is no stopping it. There is too much momentum toward it right now. You WILL see it in video games as it's already a digital, online experience. You are already seeing it in new TOS agreements. They consider every interaction you do, using their code as their owned property. Autonomous video gaming is dead.

Remember how Siri and Alexa listen ALL the time in your household? You WILL be profiled. They already have the data. They continue to gain data and will use it eventually. Pretty soon, one misspoken word that you don't even remember saying, will affect your freedom within a society. It's a matter of time. Could it provide prevention benefits? Sure, but that's a very, very slippery slope.

I've had several discussions with people asking why 5G networks are pushed so fast upon us, when most users don't even use 4G to it's fullest capacity (usually due to data costs and limits). I told them to stop thinking about the consumer's perspective. Consumer power has long since diminished. 5G networks allow both government and private sector to provide all consumer services AND future proofs digital surveillance and automation technologies. It's not about consumer interest. Sure you can stream amazingly well, but this data is not going through servers you control.

You are right that 5G isn't about cell phones. But it's not about surveillance either(as quiz said, you do it with just a phone or, in this case, a net line). It's got more to do with Internet of Things and with $$$. It's far broader than technofascism, it's more in line with unrestricted technocapitalism.

Amaranthar

Gorwe said:

Tamanous said:

This technology gives private business the ability to enforce their own policies (outside of the political and enforcement system) and creates a social credit society.

Your movement, payments and interactions with others are all recorded and shared between businesses and influenced by public and private sector complaints. 

This creates the ultimate cancel culture. The society you live in will reject you and block your access to things. This is exactly what is happening in China and is precisely what is happening with covid vaccination tracking currently.

This is the tip of the iceberg. It only gets worse from here ... and no, there is no stopping it. There is too much momentum toward it right now. You WILL see it in video games as it's already a digital, online experience. You are already seeing it in new TOS agreements. They consider every interaction you do, using their code as their owned property. Autonomous video gaming is dead.

Remember how Siri and Alexa listen ALL the time in your household? You WILL be profiled. They already have the data. They continue to gain data and will use it eventually. Pretty soon, one misspoken word that you don't even remember saying, will affect your freedom within a society. It's a matter of time. Could it provide prevention benefits? Sure, but that's a very, very slippery slope.

I've had several discussions with people asking why 5G networks are pushed so fast upon us, when most users don't even use 4G to it's fullest capacity (usually due to data costs and limits). I told them to stop thinking about the consumer's perspective. Consumer power has long since diminished. 5G networks allow both government and private sector to provide all consumer services AND future proofs digital surveillance and automation technologies. It's not about consumer interest. Sure you can stream amazingly well, but this data is not going through servers you control.

You are right that 5G isn't about cell phones. But it's not about surveillance either(as quiz said, you do it with just a phone or, in this case, a net line). It's got more to do with Internet of Things and with $$$. It's far broader than technofascism, it's more in line with unrestricted technocapitalism.

I don't agree with that at all. 
It's all of the above on steroids, with live time personal info capture of all, at the top. 
Sold out by people who look at themselves and say, "We are the new gods." 

Gorwe

Amaranthar said:

Gorwe said:

Tamanous said:

This technology gives private business the ability to enforce their own policies (outside of the political and enforcement system) and creates a social credit society.

Your movement, payments and interactions with others are all recorded and shared between businesses and influenced by public and private sector complaints. 

This creates the ultimate cancel culture. The society you live in will reject you and block your access to things. This is exactly what is happening in China and is precisely what is happening with covid vaccination tracking currently.

This is the tip of the iceberg. It only gets worse from here ... and no, there is no stopping it. There is too much momentum toward it right now. You WILL see it in video games as it's already a digital, online experience. You are already seeing it in new TOS agreements. They consider every interaction you do, using their code as their owned property. Autonomous video gaming is dead.

Remember how Siri and Alexa listen ALL the time in your household? You WILL be profiled. They already have the data. They continue to gain data and will use it eventually. Pretty soon, one misspoken word that you don't even remember saying, will affect your freedom within a society. It's a matter of time. Could it provide prevention benefits? Sure, but that's a very, very slippery slope.

I've had several discussions with people asking why 5G networks are pushed so fast upon us, when most users don't even use 4G to it's fullest capacity (usually due to data costs and limits). I told them to stop thinking about the consumer's perspective. Consumer power has long since diminished. 5G networks allow both government and private sector to provide all consumer services AND future proofs digital surveillance and automation technologies. It's not about consumer interest. Sure you can stream amazingly well, but this data is not going through servers you control.

You are right that 5G isn't about cell phones. But it's not about surveillance either(as quiz said, you do it with just a phone or, in this case, a net line). It's got more to do with Internet of Things and with $$$. It's far broader than technofascism, it's more in line with unrestricted technocapitalism.

I don't agree with that at all. 
It's all of the above on steroids, with live time personal info capture of all, at the top. 
Sold out by people who look at themselves and say, "We are the new gods." 

While it is prudent to be careful, don't give into paranoia. Most of time, yes, companies will collect data, but they won't do anything bow-wow with it. Unless you have a reason to worry. Just mind the rules, be smart and everything will be ok.

Amaranthar

Gorwe said:

Amaranthar said:

Gorwe said:

Tamanous said:

This technology gives private business the ability to enforce their own policies (outside of the political and enforcement system) and creates a social credit society.

Your movement, payments and interactions with others are all recorded and shared between businesses and influenced by public and private sector complaints. 

This creates the ultimate cancel culture. The society you live in will reject you and block your access to things. This is exactly what is happening in China and is precisely what is happening with covid vaccination tracking currently.

This is the tip of the iceberg. It only gets worse from here ... and no, there is no stopping it. There is too much momentum toward it right now. You WILL see it in video games as it's already a digital, online experience. You are already seeing it in new TOS agreements. They consider every interaction you do, using their code as their owned property. Autonomous video gaming is dead.

Remember how Siri and Alexa listen ALL the time in your household? You WILL be profiled. They already have the data. They continue to gain data and will use it eventually. Pretty soon, one misspoken word that you don't even remember saying, will affect your freedom within a society. It's a matter of time. Could it provide prevention benefits? Sure, but that's a very, very slippery slope.

I've had several discussions with people asking why 5G networks are pushed so fast upon us, when most users don't even use 4G to it's fullest capacity (usually due to data costs and limits). I told them to stop thinking about the consumer's perspective. Consumer power has long since diminished. 5G networks allow both government and private sector to provide all consumer services AND future proofs digital surveillance and automation technologies. It's not about consumer interest. Sure you can stream amazingly well, but this data is not going through servers you control.

You are right that 5G isn't about cell phones. But it's not about surveillance either(as quiz said, you do it with just a phone or, in this case, a net line). It's got more to do with Internet of Things and with $$$. It's far broader than technofascism, it's more in line with unrestricted technocapitalism.

I don't agree with that at all. 
It's all of the above on steroids, with live time personal info capture of all, at the top. 
Sold out by people who look at themselves and say, "We are the new gods." 

While it is prudent to be careful, don't give into paranoia. Most of time, yes, companies will collect data, but they won't do anything bow-wow with it. Unless you have a reason to worry. Just mind the rules, be smart and everything will be ok.

You know, I think I prefer my father's advice. Don't trust complete strangers. 

Akulas

 

MightyUnclean

Akulas said:

Not going to complain about nanny state since technically here we can get shot on site for gaming after 10pm. Obviously not enforced though.

Whaaaat?  Need some context for this, please.

Quizzical

Tamanous said:

Again, you continue to think from the consumer's perspective. I speak of additional bandwidth used by business and government. Consumerism is what provides payment for it. Consumer demand may not yet be secondary, but it will be.

How do think 5G networks so quickly get government clearance for installation in both private and pubic sectors including SPACE?! 

It takes years to get licenses and clearance for various constructions and new technologies typically, but 5G was installed without a single public health investigation. This was revealed live, publicly at Congress hearings. I watched them. Company representatives admitted, live on air, that there was no private or independent research on public health before 5G was rolled out to hundreds of millions of people in the USA alone.

I believe you are still blue pilled over the intent todays technologies. We moved beyond consumer driven choices years ago. Their intent is not to track in the future, social media was invented to track you from day 1. It's been this way since at least 2007. We live in the big data era. Consumers are not people anymore, they are tracked data. It drives our entire consumer society. Your profile is bought, traded and owned. China has already shown where this leads.

There is only one direction for this. 

Also, what do you think drives AI research? To get a nanny bot for your child? lol no. AI development is driven nearly entirely for big data analysis. A person will not pull the trigger on removing your freedoms or banning you from a game. It will be AI. Humans will be managed by AI and any recourse you have will be communicated through AI controlled algorithms. It's already happening and will be adopted by any digital industry. 

I am not being hyperbolic or spinning conspiracy. This is strictly observation. It's all around us already. Many of the freedoms I had when I was younger are mere illusions today. This why younger generations become saturated by new propaganda. Youth doesn't have the perspective of time. Our present is our grandparents dystopia. 

A consumer is someone who chooses when and where to spend their money. A consumer has choice. What choice do you have when a game company controls access to the network that runs all of their games? What choice do you have when you are required to piggy back all of your services to one ISP or one social network? What choice do you have when you must adhere to a ToS and CoC agreement that clearly defines your actions at every moment? It's binary. You are "granted" access or are denied access and have no recourse. You are not a consumer. You are a slave.

Cellular networks are only used for the "last mile", which is increasingly becoming far, far less than a mile.  Especially with the transition to 5G, the hop over a cellular network can be down to hundreds of feet or even tens of feet.

When you need to transfer large amounts of data from here to there for whatever enterprise uses, you don't use a cellular network.  That's too expensive and too slow.  Even 5G peak bandwidth is barely a rounding error as compared to what 100 Gbps Ethernet can sustain all day long.  And unlike 5G or any other wireless protocol, you can readily have hundreds of Ethernet cables right next to each other and have them all work.

Cellular base stations aren't very big, and the transition to having to cover smaller areas than before allows them to transmit much weaker signals and take much less space than before.  The reason they can get the space they need is that they don't need very much.  Or do you think it's also some sort of conspiracy that millions of people manage to deploy WiFi routers without spending years to get approval to plug in their home router?

The reason there wasn't a big health investigation before deploying 5G is that there really isn't any credible theory about how it could hurt you.  Do you think a different modulation scheme is going to make it dangerous?  Using a different part of the radio frequency spectrum?  Using the millimeter wave portion for communications is new, perhaps, but you know what else transmits a lot of energy in that frequency range?  Just about everything on Earth.  It's called blackbody radiation, and if millimeter wave radiation were harmful to humans in the sense that ionizing radiation is, it would have killed our ancestors long before they invented the wheel, let alone cell phones.  So long as there isn't so much RF that heating up things that absorb it becomes a problem, it's fine.

AI isn't going to ban you.  AI will turn up so many false positives that for it to ban people for anything other than an exact copy of what got someone else banned would make sites unusable.  What AI can do is to flag things that are suspicious that a human moderator can then look at to decide on a ban.  AI is a useful tool for a lot of things, but it's not a complete solution to everything, or even to very many things.

And no, consumers are not slaves.  The defining feature of slavery was not that slaves were spied on, nor that they were banned from various establishments.  It was all about forced labor, and with a handful of very heavily regulated exceptions, private companies can't force you to do business with them.  Maybe they can ban you, but you can also leave of your own volition, and they can't stop you.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't be paranoid.  I am saying that you're paranoid about the wrong things.  You're right that a lot of companies, including pretty much all of the major social media sites, want to track everything you do.  So don't help them out by giving them all your data.  Use DuckDuckGo.  Use ProtonMail.  Use Opera with the tracker blocker turned on at all times, which is separate from the ad blocker.  You can even use Linux, though switching your OS is admittedly harder than switching your search engine.  You can still have a lot of privacy online if you want it.

Abimor

Amaranthar said:

You know, I think I prefer my father's advice. Don't trust complete strangers. 

I agree with that statement. I think if people who lived here in the states would realize that we gave most of our free from surveillance rights away after 9-11 they would be shocked at the info that is in our own governments hands. No matter how you feel about Trump it is pretty crazy that they were investigating his presidential campaign from bogus bs made up stuff and the court that was supposed to safeguard us from that just rolled over https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/12/10/ig-report-fbi-fisa-abuse-secret-court-trump-campaign-column/4383722002/.  before anyone says that is just an opinion its not an opinion that the IG found 17 mistakes the FBI made and lied to the court. The lesson to be learned is if the government doesn't like you enough they will find bs stuff to look at you. Can you say moving violation turns into they had a trunk full of guns? China is super scary with the stuff they do but the US government is not above any of it either. If someone can find where it is ok to kill an American citizen  with a cruise missile for being a suspected terrorist with out a trial or jury finding them guilty they will do whatever they want. Someone said it was a slippery slope and I agree where does it go from wear your seatbelt for your safety to these covid restrictions like Don't leave your house we have faced this last year. Be afraid of China for sure be even more afraid of your own government doing things for your own best interest that just has to cross the street.   

Ungood

Sovrath said:

AAAMEOW said:

Quizzical said:

This seems hard to enforce unless backed by criminal penalties for cheating.  It seems like it would be too easy to just put a picture or video of someone else's face in front of a camera.

I presume the system can distinguish between real people from photos and videos.  Your game ID is most likely tracked too.  

I like the system to stop people from over playing too much video game.  It's just not healthy.

I don't think people should be protected from themselves unless they want it.

I'm completely for programs for people in need of help but shouldn't they decide how much time is "enough?"

Then again, China has a different culture so who knows what's considered acceptable there. 

Absolutely not, if we went this way, some people with gambling addictions would just buy endless lootboxes, as they are unchecked gambling, and in the end, they would end up being taken advantage of by cooperate greed, and we would be expected to sit on the sidelines and say "Well it's their choice"

No.. No.. No.. sometimes, you gotta stand up and say "No this wrong, and just because someone want to do a wrong thing, does not make it right"

Maybe not in every case.. but sometimes.. yes.. you do need to protect people from their own weaknesses.. sometimes.. you just do.

KnightFalz

Ungood said:

Sovrath said:

AAAMEOW said:

Quizzical said:

This seems hard to enforce unless backed by criminal penalties for cheating.  It seems like it would be too easy to just put a picture or video of someone else's face in front of a camera.

I presume the system can distinguish between real people from photos and videos.  Your game ID is most likely tracked too.  

I like the system to stop people from over playing too much video game.  It's just not healthy.

I don't think people should be protected from themselves unless they want it.

I'm completely for programs for people in need of help but shouldn't they decide how much time is "enough?"

Then again, China has a different culture so who knows what's considered acceptable there. 

Absolutely not, if we went this way, some people with gambling addictions would just buy endless lootboxes, as they are unchecked gambling, and in the end, they would end up being taken advantage of by cooperate greed, and we would be expected to sit on the sidelines and say "Well it's their choice"

Some already do, and it has nothing to do with being taken advantage of. The source of the issue is the person's lack of self-control, not the availability of lootboxes, and that is what must be resolved. Failing to treat the source of the problem will simply result in limited lootboxes being replaced with other chance-based purchases.