And comparing this to CP 2077? Yeah they both have a cyberpunk theme but c'mon lol.
Why? I'm curious why you would say they shouldn't be compared.
Because they are very different games that share only the cyberpunk theme.
The Ascent is a top-down shooter ARPG and CP 2077 is a much more complex and detailed story driven RPG,
I wouldn't compare Skyrim to Diablo 3 either.
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It has been given an average 73 at Metacritic so it seems about right to me, every time MMORPG.com does a review the score is either too high or too low.
And Cyberpunk 2077 is an 86 on Metacritic so the 9 on this site is also about right
Reviews are a funny thing. A game like Cyberpunk 2077 scored better with critics than players while a title like The Ascent scored better with players than with critics. Some games seem to score about equal across players and critics like The Forgotten City (which is great btw) but anyway....no point to this post just find it interesting.
Well after the furore whipped up by the gaming media about CP 2077 it is hardly surprising that influenced players who scored it low. The same gaming media then waits for review time and gives it the high score it deserved.
Anger and narrative used to create a media sensation, loving those clicks, couple of weeks later the reviews come in, "its great".
Well I don't know about 'influenced players' or the media or whatever but I just meant look at the body of reviews, the actual player reviews, over months and months. Good and bad. It seems in CP 2077 it is either players really love it or they really dislike it. Not too much in between. Most people don't buy a game based on an influencer regardless of what some may think. Seems it was trying to be a Deus Ex slash GTA game and was not as good at world building as Rockstar is and not as good at designing well defined character building as Deus Ex is. Seemed a good effort from a big indie studio though who hyped their game up bigger than any influencer or media outlet could ever do.
Just find reviews curious is all.
"...not as good at designing well defined character building as Deus Ex is."
You really have to be joking about this one... are you?
I'm a big fan of the Deus Ex games and have played and replayed all of them extensively. I like those games but if you're talking about the RPG elements of building a character, Deus Ex is very simplistic with the finding or buying of generic "praxis kits" in order to enhance a handful of useful abilities and a ton of useless ones. The character building side of things is extremely simple compared to the much more extensive options in Cyberpunk 2077.
And if you're talking about character development in the sense of characterization of the protagonist and NPCs, Deus Ex has rather simple one dimensional characters and CP 2077 has some of the best personalities ever seen in an RPG.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
And comparing this to CP 2077? Yeah they both have a cyberpunk theme but c'mon lol.
Why? I'm curious why you would say they shouldn't be compared.
Because they are very different games that share only the cyberpunk theme.
The Ascent is a top-down shooter ARPG and CP 2077 is a much more complex and detailed story driven RPG,
I wouldn't compare Skyrim to Diablo 3 either.
CP and Ascent are both shooter arpgs both set in a Cyberpunk world. They are bound to be compared.
You must look at very different things than me when finding similarities between games because I find these to be two very different types of games.
Depth of story and method of story telling as well as my character's visual perspective seeing and interacting with the game world are very important criteria for me when deciding what is similar to what.
I also don't consider every game that has shooting and action (which is pretty well 100% of them lol) to be shooter ARPGs. When I say ARPG I typically mean games like Diablo, PoE, Victor Vran, Last Epoch, etc.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
And comparing this to CP 2077? Yeah they both have a cyberpunk theme but c'mon lol.
Why? I'm curious why you would say they shouldn't be compared.
Because they are very different games that share only the cyberpunk theme.
The Ascent is a top-down shooter ARPG and CP 2077 is a much more complex and detailed story driven RPG,
I wouldn't compare Skyrim to Diablo 3 either.
CP and Ascent are both shooter arpgs both set in a Cyberpunk world. They are bound to be compared.
You must look at very different things than me when finding similarities between games because I find these to be two very different types of games.
Depth of story and method of story telling as well as my character's visual perspective seeing and interacting with the game world are very important criteria for me when deciding what is similar to what.
I also don't consider every game that has shooting and action (which is pretty well 100% of them lol) to be shooter ARPGs. When I say ARPG I typically mean games like Diablo, PoE, Victor Vran, Last Epoch, etc.
So isometric?
Yes, typically for both ARPGs and cRPGs. There are other tropes that make them different also IMO, like quantity of loot and lack of emphasis on story telling.
To me CP 2077 plays and feels much like The Witcher but in a cyberpunk setting and The Ascent like Diablo 3 but in a cyberpunk setting.
Saying they're comparable is just too reductionist for me. It's akin to saying they're both games and comparing them on that basis. It can be done but I don't find those broad comparisons particularly informative or useful.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
It has been given an average 73 at Metacritic so it seems about right to me, every time MMORPG.com does a review the score is either too high or too low.
And Cyberpunk 2077 is an 86 on Metacritic so the 9 on this site is also about right
Reviews are a funny thing. A game like Cyberpunk 2077 scored better with critics than players while a title like The Ascent scored better with players than with critics. Some games seem to score about equal across players and critics like The Forgotten City (which is great btw) but anyway....no point to this post just find it interesting.
Well after the furore whipped up by the gaming media about CP 2077 it is hardly surprising that influenced players who scored it low. The same gaming media then waits for review time and gives it the high score it deserved.
Anger and narrative used to create a media sensation, loving those clicks, couple of weeks later the reviews come in, "its great".
Well I don't know about 'influenced players' or the media or whatever but I just meant look at the body of reviews, the actual player reviews, over months and months. Good and bad. It seems in CP 2077 it is either players really love it or they really dislike it. Not too much in between. Most people don't buy a game based on an influencer regardless of what some may think. Seems it was trying to be a Deus Ex slash GTA game and was not as good at world building as Rockstar is and not as good at designing well defined character building as Deus Ex is. Seemed a good effort from a big indie studio though who hyped their game up bigger than any influencer or media outlet could ever do.
Just find reviews curious is all.
If influencers had no influence then companies would not give them stuff for free or pay them in any way. The media was creating a storm about the launch, that has to effect what players think of the game, regardless of their own experience. The broad brush of the articles about the launch made it seem to apply equally to all platforms, it was only later that the focus narrowed to older consoles.
You are right about the studio hyping CP to the stratosphere, that fed into the storm of articles when the launch was not perfect, it gave the media narrative huge momentum. Up until the time this site did a PC review and said it is good on the PC we had posters here questioning the PC version, if I remember rightly they questioned the score even though it was a PC only review and still some had doubts afterwards.
And comparing this to CP 2077? Yeah they both have a cyberpunk theme but c'mon lol.
Why? I'm curious why you would say they shouldn't be compared.
Because they are very different games that share only the cyberpunk theme.
The Ascent is a top-down shooter ARPG and CP 2077 is a much more complex and detailed story driven RPG,
I wouldn't compare Skyrim to Diablo 3 either.
CP and Ascent are both shooter arpgs both set in a Cyberpunk world. They are bound to be compared.
You must look at very different things than me when finding similarities between games because I find these to be two very different types of games.
Depth of story and method of story telling as well as my character's visual perspective seeing and interacting with the game world are very important criteria for me when deciding what is similar to what.
I also don't consider every game that has shooting and action (which is pretty well 100% of them lol) to be shooter ARPGs. When I say ARPG I typically mean games like Diablo, PoE, Victor Vran, Last Epoch, etc.
So isometric?
Yes, typically for both ARPGs and cRPGs. There are other tropes that make them different also IMO, like quantity of loot and lack of emphasis on story telling.
To me CP 2077 plays and feels much like The Witcher but in a cyberpunk setting and The Ascent like Diablo 3 but in a cyberpunk setting.
Saying they're comparable is just too reductionist for me. It's akin to saying they're both games and comparing them on that basis. It can be done but I don't find those broad comparisons particularly informative or useful.
Yet The Ascent is not like Diablo other than where the camera is placed. There is a cover system, skill points, augments, questing, characters with back story and full voice acting. I'm not saying it is an amazing game but it is not as different from a typical action game with RPG elements with the camera in first person like CP or a third person action game with RPG elements like every game out now.
Yeah I dont get where he is coming from trying to say The Ascent doesn't have a story and is just shoot em up pow pow. Makes me wonder if he actually played the game or just watched a few videos of someone else playing it and then said this is just Diablo with guns.
They even have some characters that speak some type of alien language which I find funny. And I have been enjoying listening to each one and not just clicking through them just to get to the end so I can go pow pow, unlike I usually do with some mmo quests.
Yeah its not perfect but neither was cp 2077 imho. Like you said it is amazing what a small indy studio pulled off.
And comparing this to CP 2077? Yeah they both have a cyberpunk theme but c'mon lol.
Why? I'm curious why you would say they shouldn't be compared.
Because they are very different games that share only the cyberpunk theme.
The Ascent is a top-down shooter ARPG and CP 2077 is a much more complex and detailed story driven RPG,
I wouldn't compare Skyrim to Diablo 3 either.
CP and Ascent are both shooter arpgs both set in a Cyberpunk world. They are bound to be compared.
You must look at very different things than me when finding similarities between games because I find these to be two very different types of games.
Depth of story and method of story telling as well as my character's visual perspective seeing and interacting with the game world are very important criteria for me when deciding what is similar to what.
I also don't consider every game that has shooting and action (which is pretty well 100% of them lol) to be shooter ARPGs. When I say ARPG I typically mean games like Diablo, PoE, Victor Vran, Last Epoch, etc.
So isometric?
Yes, typically for both ARPGs and cRPGs. There are other tropes that make them different also IMO, like quantity of loot and lack of emphasis on story telling.
To me CP 2077 plays and feels much like The Witcher but in a cyberpunk setting and The Ascent like Diablo 3 but in a cyberpunk setting.
Saying they're comparable is just too reductionist for me. It's akin to saying they're both games and comparing them on that basis. It can be done but I don't find those broad comparisons particularly informative or useful.
Yet The Ascent is not like Diablo other than where the camera is placed. There is a cover system, skill points, augments, questing, characters with back story and full voice acting. I'm not saying it is an amazing game but it is not as different from a typical action game with RPG elements with the camera in first person like CP or a third person action game with RPG elements like every game out now.
Yeah I dont get where he is coming from trying to say The Ascent doesn't have a story and is just shoot em up pow pow. Makes me wonder if he actually played the game or just watched a few videos of someone else playing it and then said this is just Diablo with guns.
They even have some characters that speak some type of alien language which I find funny. And I have been enjoying listening to each one and not just clicking through them just to get to the end so I can go pow pow, unlike I usually do with some mmo quests.
Yeah its not perfect but neither was cp 2077 imho. Like you said it is amazing what a small indy studio pulled off.
As I said back on the first page I have tried it briefly. I'm not in the habit of giving personal impressions about a game I know fuck all about - I think you have me confused with Wizardry.
I played through the tutorial and not much beyond that so far and what I saw was hordes of weak enemies popping out of seemingly nowhere in front of and behind me and then a boss that was slightly tougher - that's about as routine, ARPG, Diablo-like as games get.
I'm sorry if my low opinion of the game, especially when people ludicrously compare it to Cyberpunk 2077, has triggered some of you but it's my honest opinion based on a small amount of actual game play.
But hey what's fair for the goose is fair for the gander... have either of you actually played Cyberpunk 2077?
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
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The Ascent is a top-down shooter ARPG and CP 2077 is a much more complex and detailed story driven RPG,
I wouldn't compare Skyrim to Diablo 3 either.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
You really have to be joking about this one... are you?
I'm a big fan of the Deus Ex games and have played and replayed all of them extensively. I like those games but if you're talking about the RPG elements of building a character, Deus Ex is very simplistic with the finding or buying of generic "praxis kits" in order to enhance a handful of useful abilities and a ton of useless ones. The character building side of things is extremely simple compared to the much more extensive options in Cyberpunk 2077.
And if you're talking about character development in the sense of characterization of the protagonist and NPCs, Deus Ex has rather simple one dimensional characters and CP 2077 has some of the best personalities ever seen in an RPG.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
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Depth of story and method of story telling as well as my character's visual perspective seeing and interacting with the game world are very important criteria for me when deciding what is similar to what.
I also don't consider every game that has shooting and action (which is pretty well 100% of them lol) to be shooter ARPGs. When I say ARPG I typically mean games like Diablo, PoE, Victor Vran, Last Epoch, etc.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
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To me CP 2077 plays and feels much like The Witcher but in a cyberpunk setting and The Ascent like Diablo 3 but in a cyberpunk setting.
Saying they're comparable is just too reductionist for me. It's akin to saying they're both games and comparing them on that basis. It can be done but I don't find those broad comparisons particularly informative or useful.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다
You are right about the studio hyping CP to the stratosphere, that fed into the storm of articles when the launch was not perfect, it gave the media narrative huge momentum. Up until the time this site did a PC review and said it is good on the PC we had posters here questioning the PC version, if I remember rightly they questioned the score even though it was a PC only review and still some had doubts afterwards.
They even have some characters that speak some type of alien language which I find funny. And I have been enjoying listening to each one and not just clicking through them just to get to the end so I can go pow pow, unlike I usually do with some mmo quests.
Yeah its not perfect but neither was cp 2077 imho. Like you said it is amazing what a small indy studio pulled off.
I played through the tutorial and not much beyond that so far and what I saw was hordes of weak enemies popping out of seemingly nowhere in front of and behind me and then a boss that was slightly tougher - that's about as routine, ARPG, Diablo-like as games get.
I'm sorry if my low opinion of the game, especially when people ludicrously compare it to Cyberpunk 2077, has triggered some of you but it's my honest opinion based on a small amount of actual game play.
But hey what's fair for the goose is fair for the gander... have either of you actually played Cyberpunk 2077?
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED