The combat has bored me to tears now .. cannot take much more
Well, its not for everyone.
Luckily you can still go back to tab targeting wow or FFXIV.
ROFL, the combat in FF14 and the rotations are way more complicated than this game. There is like no depth to these weapons. NW will be a ghost town in a month maybe less. They have have lost almost 300k concurrent players this week.
This game needs an entire rework from the ground up. It's a promising alpha at best.
TEH GAMe is goinG TO BANK RUPT TEH AMAOZN AND JEFF WON"T be aBLE to t FLY HIS ROCKET Anymores.
The mindset that glories in the failure of other people's efforts is very petty.
Players keep talking about the simplicity of the combat, that's not going away and would take a major overhaul to fix. Maybe what they have is good enough, but only time will confirm that.
Have you read through the skills on some of the weapons and how stacking/timing things can have a big impact on play? I get a headache going through all that and it is already more complicated that I want...
As a healer doing 3 heavy attacks buffs my healing by 30% (10% each, stacking 3 times for 10s) and roll dodging buffs it by another 20% for 5s. My light attacks are also modified by a passive that heals friendlies near my target and another passive makes it so that they reduce the cooldowns on my skills. And oh yeah, my heavy attacks also remove a debuff from each friendly they pass through thanks to another passive.
My single target big heal heals the target by 30% more for each buff they have on them and my own buffs contribute 10% more per buff to me healing.
So yeah, there's quite a bit to a lot of those skills when you look at the passives you can take and then do what's required to take advantage of it.
Agreed. The strategy comes from the way you select your weapon skills (both active and passive) and spec your attribute points and the gear you wear and the gems you use and the food you eat, ect.... In development you look at ways to build strategy and engage the player. This way is one way which is a vertical character strategy layering the strategy on the character instead of a traditional tab-target system which puts the focus on hotbar filling to create strategy. tab-target is usually a horizonal strategy that is not character based but usually class based.
I actually liked the ESO character development with its mix of class and non-class based skill selection - many of those weapon based - and 12 skills instead of the NW 6.
As a matter of fact during my first exposure to NW in the summer of '20, while I was still playing ESO, one of my biggest knocks against NW was that I saw the 100% weapon based advancement with no innate, personal, class or otherwise, skills as lacking.
It took me a while and enough leveling in NW to come to appreciate the depth that it does have. It's very different than most other MMOs I've played but there is depth and variety there.
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112 hours, and still can't wait to log back in to continue playing. I was waiting for something like this since UO and AC1.
Like what? This game is nothing like UO.
Like : I don't care about the opinion of people like you who come shit on an otherwise positive thread and think their opinion is fact.
That's it
Cool, so it's not and you're full of crap. Got it...uo is nothing like new world, and the only reply you had was you being a douche. Sorry if my opinion hurt your feelings about a video game.
Loved EQ Classic and hates that carebears had it changed.
112 hours, and still can't wait to log back in to continue playing. I was waiting for something like this since UO and AC1.
Like what? This game is nothing like UO.
Like : I don't care about the opinion of people like you who come shit on an otherwise positive thread and think their opinion is fact.
That's it
Cool, so it's not and you're full of crap. Got it...uo is nothing like new world, and the only reply you had was you being a douche. Sorry if my opinion hurt your feelings about a video game.
Both of you are acting a bit menstrual over it lol. You have a difference of opinion, it's OK, the world will keep turning xD
This game I feel is probably more enjoyable if one PvPs. I feel that the structure and base of it was always designed for that and if one does not PvP one is missing out.
A bit. You miss out on the zone ownership / defense / attack drama but it's very playable without that.
The PvP is more attached to the game here than in say a game like ESO where PvP is also optional and if you don't, well you "miss out" on that. But ESO's PvP has no impact on the PvE and NW does some.
But the NW impact has to do with buffs to fast travel cost, gathering yields, house cost and taxes, etc. but the buffs are not so huge that you're "crippled" if you don't get the benefits.
It IS a 3 faction world though and even if you do 0 PvP and have no involvement in the territory control game you still get some of those buffs when playing in the territories controlled by your faction whether you participate in the PvP part or not.
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― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
The combat has bored me to tears now .. cannot take much more
Well, its not for everyone.
Luckily you can still go back to tab targeting wow or FFXIV.
ROFL, the combat in FF14 and the rotations are way more complicated than this game. There is like no depth to these weapons. NW will be a ghost town in a month maybe less. They have have lost almost 300k concurrent players this week.
This game needs an entire rework from the ground up. It's a promising alpha at best.
TEH GAMe is goinG TO BANK RUPT TEH AMAOZN AND JEFF WON"T be aBLE to t FLY HIS ROCKET Anymores.
The mindset that glories in the failure of other people's efforts is very petty.
Players keep talking about the simplicity of the combat, that's not going away and would take a major overhaul to fix. Maybe what they have is good enough, but only time will confirm that.
Have you read through the skills on some of the weapons and how stacking/timing things can have a big impact on play? I get a headache going through all that and it is already more complicated that I want...
Don't forget I am just picking up impressions from what you guys say, I think I have watched three NW videos is total. Combat as an issue has not been mentioned as much as say questing, so I don't see it as a must resolve asap issue.
Indeed what we may be getting here from posters is the standard "this is not as good as an action game" response about non-tab target combat in MMOs. Is there a solution for that, I would like to think there is but I have yet to play a MMORPG where the "action combat" is great.
Hahaha... come on now. This game is a mish mosh haphazardly thrown together that lacks an identity. Calling this game perfect is straight up shilling. The pvp is mostly pointless and the pve is terrible compared to most themepark games, which new world is in the direction of trying to become, sort of. The action combat is clunky. It brings nothing new to the table and only exists in the form that it does, because amazon is trying to cater to the least common denominator type of casual player to profit as much as possible. There is 0 integrity put in the creative design of this game, and amazon is fully aware of it, but they don't care because they knew they could feed you this crap and you'd eat it anyway.
I give it another week and the honeymoon phase will wear off. Like every other MMO release in recent years, NW has it's in denial simps.
112 hours, and still can't wait to log back in to continue playing. I was waiting for something like this since UO and AC1.
Like what? This game is nothing like UO.
Like : I don't care about the opinion of people like you who come shit on an otherwise positive thread and think their opinion is fact.
That's it
Cool, so it's not and you're full of crap. Got it...uo is nothing like new world, and the only reply you had was you being a douche. Sorry if my opinion hurt your feelings about a video game.
I just didn't want to bother to answer to someone who is obviously just here to bash the game, and also obviously didn't even play it that much, if at all. But I'll bite.
The SKILL BASED character development WITHOUT CLASSES is definitely similar to UO and AC1, and permits a huge freedom in being exactly the character you want to be.
Also, the sentence you were answering to is:
"I was waiting for something like this since UO and AC1."
I never said this game was UO2 or something like that. Just that I was waiting for such a game since UO and AC1.
I will also remind the reader of your supposed "review" here:
"Hahaha... come on now. This game is a mish mosh haphazardly thrown
together that lacks an identity. Calling this game perfect is straight
up shilling. The pvp is mostly pointless and the pve is terrible
compared to most themepark games, which new world is in the direction
of trying to become, sort of. The action combat is clunky. It brings
nothing new to the table and only exists in the form that it does,
because amazon is trying to cater to the least common denominator type
of casual player to profit as much as possible. There is 0 integrity
put in the creative design of this game, and amazon is fully aware of
it, but they don't care because they knew they could feed you this crap
and you'd eat it anyway. "
Arrogant, insulting, and with no real argument except "this game is crap".
If there's one douche in this thread, it's not me. And now I will not answer any further to your sad comments, because I don't want to pollute this otherwise nice thread any more.
Have a nice day and enjoy your stay in whatever game fits your tastes more, and hopefully keeping you away from these forums in the process.
Ive been playing UO , All these 25 years and continue today (just got 24 year rewards )
NW reminds of UO in NO way at all 0 , Zilch , Nada .
UO risk/reward in PvE and PvP is extremely more prevelant. NO risk/reward feel in NW .. Death is dam meaningless..
UO has much more challenging and varied combat in both PvE and PvP ..
UO has lets see for ex on my main i have 18 skills on my hotbar and 3 bows that i carry and switch between an additional situational skills ..for 22 skills at any given moment
My mage in UO has 64 skills at there finger tips at any given moment..
A Mage/Druid has 84 for ex..
Mage/Necro .. 84
Now mix in Spellweaving and a Cleric book could have 100 skills ...
Melee skill / Paladin Skills / Range Skills/Taming/Bard .. there is well over 100 in combat with spells for build options .. Thats what Freedom is at any given moment .. not
SIX
NW has 6 .. yes 6 at any given moment.. and the combat is very easy to manage .. There is little challenge in PVE at all even 8+ levels above you .. Even you were boasting of how easily you were handling mobs in that level range ..
The number of mobs and varied encounters in UO dwarfs NW its not even comparable..
Crafting is not even comparable UO is light years ahead ..
As is gathering ... with all the ways to interact with node enviroments .. No such interaction exist in NW ..
UO is an actual true Sandbox..
NW is a gated Themepark ..
And please stop with ohh but passives .. Lol most every game has passives and NW is lacking in this area also with very few per tree , and Spongebob Squarepants could pick out the useful ones on any given tree and avoid the useless..
Passives do not make NW any more challenging or complex ..
NW has the foundation to build on but is basically a BETA at this stage .. and has a long way to go to becoming even remotely resembling UO , if it ever can .. Which i would doubt highly ..
They are very different games ..
They are both PC games .. the comparison stops there..
They are both PC games .. the comparison stops there..
Tigers and house cats are both felines, and there are comparisons which can be made regarding their similarities.
Both are carnivores, can swim but don't care for it much, purr, have sharp claws and pointed teeth, are covered in fur, have tails, and can even be friendly with humans.
Their differences are largely a matter of scale between the two, except that as far as I've seen tigers can be trained to do tricks, house cats not so much.
Pretty sure that my house cats would try to kill me just like tigers sometimes do to their owners, but I'm kept safe being the only one between us who can open the little cans of cat food and can give awesome neck scritches.
So same with the comparison between UO and NW, as an outsider to both games I can see the similarities and note there is a significant difference in things like the amount of skills which are more a matter of scale than anything else far as I can tell.
If a character can have 83 skills I'd be very surprised if many were actually of much use on a regular basis, but I could be wrong not having played either.
Regardless, both games do not force a player to choose a class, use a particular weapon set or slot specific skills every time, which seems much like UO, but again at a much smaller scale.
While you may love UO and the many complexities it offered, playing it sort of damaged you just as EQ1, SWG and other early MMORPGS did to other early players, especially if they were one of their first games.
Those folks spend their lives searching for a better version of their first love which is unlikely to ever happen again.
I was that way with DAOC for the longest time, kept returning to it for years on both corporate and free shard servers, but finally learned to let it go.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Yes, the open skill based character development is akin to UO and AC1.
That's a fact.
And now I remember why I had you on ignore, @Scorchien ... I removed you because of your nice move to give out some free accounts lately, but your posting habits haven't changed. You only understand what you want to understand just to be "right on the internet", I guess. Welcome back.
Since UO and AC1, there has been NO mainstream AAA MMORPG using that precise classless model.
Beyond that, be it if it's better or not, is a matter of opinion, and on that I don't deny your right to agree or disagree.
PS: beside that, I was in UO beta. Comparing UO now with UO back then is stupid. If you weren't there, you don't have an idea of how bland UO was back then. Yet it was still awesome in its time.
I remember UO back at launch, won Computer Gaming World's "(drink) Coaster of the Year" award two years in a row pissing off RG so much he had his developers add a Johnny Wilson "blob" npc into the game.
While the game had it's fans, it's detractors were legion back in the day and one reason why other titles with different designs were launched and thrived in many ways far beyond UO.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Yes, the open skill based character development is akin to UO and AC1.
That's a fact.
And now I remember why I had you on ignore, @Scorchien ... I removed you because of your nice move to give out some free accounts lately, but your posting habits haven't changed. You only understand what you want to understand just to be "right on the internet", I guess. Welcome back.
Since UO and AC1, there has been NO mainstream AAA MMORPG using that precise classless model.
Beyond that, be it if it's better or not, is a matter of opinion, and on that I don't deny your right to agree or disagree.
PS: beside that, I was in UO beta. Comparing UO now with UO back then is stupid. If you weren't there, you don't have an idea of how bland UO was back then. Yet it was still awesome in its time.
Your wrong again Jean , UO at launch still had
64 Magery Spells
24 Melee Skills
16 Ranged
14 Bard
14 Tamer
12 Thievery... etc.. And you can mix and macth any of those .. try that in NW ohh wait you cant .. The weapon you hold DEFINES your class.. /period
And reading comprehension may help you as i said in this post and other s Ive played 25 years that would include beta , I think i know a bit about UO ...
I cant think of anyone that ever described UO as Bland at launch .. Thats a first in my 25 years ive heard that .. .. .
And im not looking to be right , anyone one with common sense realizes that the 2 games are so vastly different that you cannot use them in the same breath ..
And NW is not a classless system at all ..
Guess what
You wield a Bow or Musket You are Ranged ..../period
You wield a Ice Gauntlet you are a MAge /Period
You wield a Life Staff your a Healer /period..
You wield Sword and Board .. your a Tank .. /period
And guess what there is more .. When i see you holding your Spear , i know exactly what 3 skills you have ..
What to look for and how to defend it
Try that in UO .. ohh wait you did , came up short and quickly ran away ..
In UO you honestly have no idea what your enemy could be , But you would think you know that dont you ..
Ohh wait there is more
In NW your Weapon defines your Class and you very limited 3 skills ../period
You have ZERO choices of your build once that Spear is in your hand .. you have your 3 skills and a couple passives .. .. /period
In UO i could be a Halberd wielding Necro that can BArd .. you would have no idea until you were dead..
NW is Nothing like the build options in games Like UO or AC ..
Thats what a classless system looks like .. not the minimalist systems that NW has in place..
You keep being you tho .. The FACTS above cannot be denied ..
We all know how much you like Fact ..
Your problem is you let your perceived Truth get in the way of actual Facts ..
Yes, the open skill based character development is akin to UO and AC1.
That's a fact.
And now I remember why I had you on ignore, @Scorchien ... I removed you because of your nice move to give out some free accounts lately, but your posting habits haven't changed. You only understand what you want to understand just to be "right on the internet", I guess. Welcome back.
Since UO and AC1, there has been NO mainstream AAA MMORPG using that precise classless model.
Beyond that, be it if it's better or not, is a matter of opinion, and on that I don't deny your right to agree or disagree.
PS: beside that, I was in UO beta. Comparing UO now with UO back then is stupid. If you weren't there, you don't have an idea of how bland UO was back then. Yet it was still awesome in its time.
Your wrong again Jean , UO at launch still had
64 Magery Spells
24 Melee Skills
16 Ranged
14 Bard
14 Tamer
12 Thievery... etc.. And you can mix and macth any of those .. try that in NW ohh wait you cant .. The weapon you hold DEFINES your class.. /period
And reading comprehension may help you as i said in this post and other s Ive played 25 years that would include beta , I think i know a bit about UO ...
I cant think of anyone that ever described UO as Bland at launch .. Thats a first in my 25 years ive heard that .. .. .
And im not looking to be right , anyone one with common sense realizes that the 2 games are so vastly different that you cannot use them in the same breath ..
And NW is not a classless system at all ..
Guess what
You wield a Bow or Musket You are Ranged ..../period
You wield a Ice Gauntlet you are a MAge /Period
You wield a Life Staff your a Healer /period..
You wield Sword and Board .. your a Tank .. /period
And guess what there is more .. When i see you holding your Spear , i know exactly what 3 skills you have ..
What to look for and how to defend it
Try that in UO .. ohh wait you did , came up short and quickly ran away ..
In UO you honestly have no idea what your enemy could be , But you would think you know that dont you ..
Ohh wait there is more
In NW your Weapon defines your Class and you very limited 3 skills ../period
You have ZERO choices of your build once that Spear is in your hand .. you have your 3 skills and a couple passives .. .. /period
In UO i could be a Halberd wielding Necro that can BArd .. you would have no idea until you were dead..
NW is Nothing like the build options in games Like UO or AC ..
Thats what a classless system looks like .. not the minimalist systems that NW has in place..
You keep being you tho .. The FACTS above cannot be denied ..
We all know how much you like Fact ..
Your problem is you let your perceived Truth get in the way of actual Facts ..
Have a Nice Day
Back at UO launch I would get one kill about every hour it took that long to find a mob to kill. Melee was completely 100% useless for pvp which for a sword and board guy really sucked.
Other than that I fucking loved the game. It was the first title that gave me marriage problems
Yes, the open skill based character development is akin to UO and AC1.
That's a fact.
And now I remember why I had you on ignore, @Scorchien ... I removed you because of your nice move to give out some free accounts lately, but your posting habits haven't changed. You only understand what you want to understand just to be "right on the internet", I guess. Welcome back.
Since UO and AC1, there has been NO mainstream AAA MMORPG using that precise classless model.
Beyond that, be it if it's better or not, is a matter of opinion, and on that I don't deny your right to agree or disagree.
PS: beside that, I was in UO beta. Comparing UO now with UO back then is stupid. If you weren't there, you don't have an idea of how bland UO was back then. Yet it was still awesome in its time.
Your wrong again Jean , UO at launch still had
64 Magery Spells
24 Melee Skills
16 Ranged
14 Bard
14 Tamer
12 Thievery... etc.. And you can mix and macth any of those .. try that in NW ohh wait you cant .. The weapon you hold DEFINES your class.. /period
And reading comprehension may help you as i said in this post and other s Ive played 25 years that would include beta , I think i know a bit about UO ...
I cant think of anyone that ever described UO as Bland at launch .. Thats a first in my 25 years ive heard that .. .. .
And im not looking to be right , anyone one with common sense realizes that the 2 games are so vastly different that you cannot use them in the same breath ..
And NW is not a classless system at all ..
Guess what
You wield a Bow or Musket You are Ranged ..../period
You wield a Ice Gauntlet you are a MAge /Period
You wield a Life Staff your a Healer /period..
You wield Sword and Board .. your a Tank .. /period
And guess what there is more .. When i see you holding your Spear , i know exactly what 3 skills you have ..
What to look for and how to defend it
Try that in UO .. ohh wait you did , came up short and quickly ran away ..
In UO you honestly have no idea what your enemy could be , But you would think you know that dont you ..
Ohh wait there is more
In NW your Weapon defines your Class and you very limited 3 skills ../period
You have ZERO choices of your build once that Spear is in your hand .. you have your 3 skills and a couple passives .. .. /period
In UO i could be a Halberd wielding Necro that can BArd .. you would have no idea until you were dead..
NW is Nothing like the build options in games Like UO or AC ..
Thats what a classless system looks like .. not the minimalist systems that NW has in place..
You keep being you tho .. The FACTS above cannot be denied ..
We all know how much you like Fact ..
Your problem is you let your perceived Truth get in the way of actual Facts ..
Have a Nice Day
Back at UO launch I would get one kill about every hour it took that long to find a mob to kill. Melee was completely 100% useless for pvp which for a sword and board guy really sucked.
Other than that I fucking loved the game. It was the first title that gave me marriage problems
Hard to find areas like that but near Yew /Jelom /Trinsic there were some areas like that comes to mind .. Anywhere near N or E Brit , SkaraBrae...Bucs Den ,Vesper .. etc .. pretty dense mobs ..
I got killed by a snake , a spider a Stag my first day .. was so much fucking fun learning ..
Yes, the open skill based character development is akin to UO and AC1.
That's a fact.
And now I remember why I had you on ignore, @Scorchien ... I removed you because of your nice move to give out some free accounts lately, but your posting habits haven't changed. You only understand what you want to understand just to be "right on the internet", I guess. Welcome back.
Since UO and AC1, there has been NO mainstream AAA MMORPG using that precise classless model.
Beyond that, be it if it's better or not, is a matter of opinion, and on that I don't deny your right to agree or disagree.
PS: beside that, I was in UO beta. Comparing UO now with UO back then is stupid. If you weren't there, you don't have an idea of how bland UO was back then. Yet it was still awesome in its time.
Your wrong again Jean , UO at launch still had
64 Magery Spells
24 Melee Skills
16 Ranged
14 Bard
14 Tamer
12 Thievery... etc.. And you can mix and macth any of those .. try that in NW ohh wait you cant .. The weapon you hold DEFINES your class.. /period
And reading comprehension may help you as i said in this post and other s Ive played 25 years that would include beta , I think i know a bit about UO ...
I cant think of anyone that ever described UO as Bland at launch .. Thats a first in my 25 years ive heard that .. .. .
And im not looking to be right , anyone one with common sense realizes that the 2 games are so vastly different that you cannot use them in the same breath ..
And NW is not a classless system at all ..
Guess what
You wield a Bow or Musket You are Ranged ..../period
You wield a Ice Gauntlet you are a MAge /Period
You wield a Life Staff your a Healer /period..
You wield Sword and Board .. your a Tank .. /period
And guess what there is more .. When i see you holding your Spear , i know exactly what 3 skills you have ..
What to look for and how to defend it
Try that in UO .. ohh wait you did , came up short and quickly ran away ..
In UO you honestly have no idea what your enemy could be , But you would think you know that dont you ..
Ohh wait there is more
In NW your Weapon defines your Class and you very limited 3 skills ../period
You have ZERO choices of your build once that Spear is in your hand .. you have your 3 skills and a couple passives .. .. /period
In UO i could be a Halberd wielding Necro that can BArd .. you would have no idea until you were dead..
NW is Nothing like the build options in games Like UO or AC ..
Thats what a classless system looks like .. not the minimalist systems that NW has in place..
You keep being you tho .. The FACTS above cannot be denied ..
We all know how much you like Fact ..
Your problem is you let your perceived Truth get in the way of actual Facts ..
Have a Nice Day
Back at UO launch I would get one kill about every hour it took that long to find a mob to kill. Melee was completely 100% useless for pvp which for a sword and board guy really sucked.
Other than that I fucking loved the game. It was the first title that gave me marriage problems
Hard to find areas like that but near Yew /Jelom /Trinsic there were some areas like that comes to mind .. Anywhere near N or E Brit , SkaraBrae...Bucs Den ,Vesper .. etc .. pretty dense mobs ..
I got killed by a snake , a spider a Stag my first day .. was so much fucking fun learning ..
I got killed by a chicken my first day. Silly me thought I was a match
Yes, the open skill based character development is akin to UO and AC1.
That's a fact.
And now I remember why I had you on ignore, @Scorchien ... I removed you because of your nice move to give out some free accounts lately, but your posting habits haven't changed. You only understand what you want to understand just to be "right on the internet", I guess. Welcome back.
Since UO and AC1, there has been NO mainstream AAA MMORPG using that precise classless model.
Beyond that, be it if it's better or not, is a matter of opinion, and on that I don't deny your right to agree or disagree.
PS: beside that, I was in UO beta. Comparing UO now with UO back then is stupid. If you weren't there, you don't have an idea of how bland UO was back then. Yet it was still awesome in its time.
Your wrong again Jean , UO at launch still had
64 Magery Spells
24 Melee Skills
16 Ranged
14 Bard
14 Tamer
12 Thievery... etc.. And you can mix and macth any of those .. try that in NW ohh wait you cant .. The weapon you hold DEFINES your class.. /period
And reading comprehension may help you as i said in this post and other s Ive played 25 years that would include beta , I think i know a bit about UO ...
I cant think of anyone that ever described UO as Bland at launch .. Thats a first in my 25 years ive heard that .. .. .
And im not looking to be right , anyone one with common sense realizes that the 2 games are so vastly different that you cannot use them in the same breath ..
And NW is not a classless system at all ..
Guess what
You wield a Bow or Musket You are Ranged ..../period
You wield a Ice Gauntlet you are a MAge /Period
You wield a Life Staff your a Healer /period..
You wield Sword and Board .. your a Tank .. /period
And guess what there is more .. When i see you holding your Spear , i know exactly what 3 skills you have ..
What to look for and how to defend it
Try that in UO .. ohh wait you did , came up short and quickly ran away ..
In UO you honestly have no idea what your enemy could be , But you would think you know that dont you ..
Ohh wait there is more
In NW your Weapon defines your Class and you very limited 3 skills ../period
You have ZERO choices of your build once that Spear is in your hand .. you have your 3 skills and a couple passives .. .. /period
In UO i could be a Halberd wielding Necro that can BArd .. you would have no idea until you were dead..
NW is Nothing like the build options in games Like UO or AC ..
Thats what a classless system looks like .. not the minimalist systems that NW has in place..
You keep being you tho .. The FACTS above cannot be denied ..
We all know how much you like Fact ..
Your problem is you let your perceived Truth get in the way of actual Facts ..
Have a Nice Day
Back at UO launch I would get one kill about every hour it took that long to find a mob to kill. Melee was completely 100% useless for pvp which for a sword and board guy really sucked.
Other than that I fucking loved the game. It was the first title that gave me marriage problems
Hard to find areas like that but near Yew /Jelom /Trinsic there were some areas like that comes to mind .. Anywhere near N or E Brit , SkaraBrae...Bucs Den ,Vesper .. etc .. pretty dense mobs ..
I got killed by a snake , a spider a Stag my first day .. was so much fucking fun learning ..
I got killed by a chicken my first day. Silly me thought I was a match
lol .. my head is still on a swivel when i hear a chicken to get the feathers and meat ..
I'm not gonna argue any more with someone who pretends NW has classes. Seriously. Welcome backt to my ignore list.
Ohh there is no pretending ..
What class are you when you wield a Bow ..... Ranged
What class are you when you wield a Sword and Shield .. Tank
What class are you when you wield an Ice Gauntlet ... Mage
What class are you when you wield a Musket .... Ranged
What class are when you wield a Life Staff .. Healer
Which one would you like to debate ..
Maybe this will help ..
Tank
Melee DPS
Ranged DPS
Healer
One-Handed Sword and Shield
X
X
Hatchet
X
X
X
Spear
X
X
X
Warhammer
X
X
Great Axe
X
X
Rapier
X
X
Bow
X
Musket
X
Fire Staff
X
Ice Gauntlet
X
Healing Staff
X
i would ignore me to , everything you say gets dissected like a 10th grade lab frog ..
Thats your mo , when you get presented with any challenging debate you insult then ignore and or leave ..
And the most awesome irony is that as your in game you see people spamming chat
Lvl 28 Healer for Amrine
Tank and Healer need DPS for Amrine ..
Lvl 29 Tank for Amrine ..
What on earth could they be talking about ...
LMFAO you cannot make this shit up
LOL this gets better ..
From Mike Willette Head of New World Dev at Amazon .. on Amirine
"Balancing at such a scale is always a challenge! But its very fun to
dive deep into the mechanics of a design. All of our enemies have unique
strengths and weaknesses to weapons and damage types. Bosses also have
an additional layer of mechanics as they have shifts in mechanics at
different stages of the boss fight. Countless hours of play testing are
always involved across multiple teams to drive in on the fun. For Boss
fights in particular, we recommend first running the experience with the
trinity of a tank, healer, and DPS to learn the mechanics before
experimenting with mixed builds.
I'm not gonna argue any more with someone who pretends NW has classes. Seriously. Welcome backt to my ignore list.
Ohh there is no pretending ..
What class are you when you wield a Bow ..... Ranged
What class are you when you wield a Sword and Shield .. Tank
What class are you when you wield an Ice Gauntlet ... Mage
What class are you when you wield a Musket .... Ranged
What class are when you wield a Life Staff .. Healer
Which one would you like to debate ..
Maybe this will help ..
Tank
Melee DPS
Ranged DPS
Healer
One-Handed Sword and Shield
X
X
Hatchet
X
X
X
Spear
X
X
X
Warhammer
X
X
Great Axe
X
X
Rapier
X
X
Bow
X
Musket
X
Fire Staff
X
Ice Gauntlet
X
Healing Staff
X
i would ignore me to , everything you say gets dissected like a 10th grade lab frog ..
Thats your mo , when you get presented with any challenging debate you insult then ignore and or leave ..
And the most awesome irony is that as your in game you see people spamming chat
Lvl 28 Healer for Amrine
Tank and Healer need DPS for Amrine ..
Lvl 29 Tank for Amrine ..
What on earth could they be talking about ...
LMFAO you cannot make this shit up
LOL this gets better ..
From Mike Willette Head of New World Dev at Amazon .. on Amirine
"Balancing at such a scale is always a challenge! But its very fun to
dive deep into the mechanics of a design. All of our enemies have unique
strengths and weaknesses to weapons and damage types. Bosses also have
an additional layer of mechanics as they have shifts in mechanics at
different stages of the boss fight. Countless hours of play testing are
always involved across multiple teams to drive in on the fun. For Boss
fights in particular, we recommend first running the experience with the
trinity of a tank, healer, and DPS to learn the mechanics before
experimenting with mixed builds.
My goodness what could he possibly mean ...
You are dismissed
For me this is a silly debate
In every game, when I wield a sword I'm melee, If the sword shoots a flame and hits a target a hundred feet away. Its ranged, or.... is it magic? you take your pick
Games are supposed to be entertaining. It doesn't matter how many spells, skills, systems, etc. etc. there is in a game, if people don't find it entertaining it will fall flat. It could be the very best combat system ever designed for a MMORPG and the game could fall flat on its face because the combat might be boring to the hard majority of your market.
How many spells and skills in a game does the player base actually use? The remainder is all bloat and wasted resources. edit: I would just like to add that this is also *balance*
I'm not gonna argue any more with someone who pretends NW has classes. Seriously. Welcome backt to my ignore list.
Ohh there is no pretending ..
What class are you when you wield a Bow ..... Ranged
What class are you when you wield a Sword and Shield .. Tank
What class are you when you wield an Ice Gauntlet ... Mage
What class are you when you wield a Musket .... Ranged
What class are when you wield a Life Staff .. Healer
Which one would you like to debate ..
Maybe this will help ..
Tank
Melee DPS
Ranged DPS
Healer
One-Handed Sword and Shield
X
X
Hatchet
X
X
X
Spear
X
X
X
Warhammer
X
X
Great Axe
X
X
Rapier
X
X
Bow
X
Musket
X
Fire Staff
X
Ice Gauntlet
X
Healing Staff
X
i would ignore me to , everything you say gets dissected like a 10th grade lab frog ..
Thats your mo , when you get presented with any challenging debate you insult then ignore and or leave ..
And the most awesome irony is that as your in game you see people spamming chat
Lvl 28 Healer for Amrine
Tank and Healer need DPS for Amrine ..
Lvl 29 Tank for Amrine ..
What on earth could they be talking about ...
LMFAO you cannot make this shit up
LOL this gets better ..
From Mike Willette Head of New World Dev at Amazon .. on Amirine
"Balancing at such a scale is always a challenge! But its very fun to
dive deep into the mechanics of a design. All of our enemies have unique
strengths and weaknesses to weapons and damage types. Bosses also have
an additional layer of mechanics as they have shifts in mechanics at
different stages of the boss fight. Countless hours of play testing are
always involved across multiple teams to drive in on the fun. For Boss
fights in particular, we recommend first running the experience with the
trinity of a tank, healer, and DPS to learn the mechanics before
experimenting with mixed builds.
My goodness what could he possibly mean ...
You are dismissed
For me this is a silly debate
In every game, when I wield a sword I'm melee, If the sword shoots a flame and hits a target a hundred feet away. Its ranged, or.... is it magic? you take your pick
Games are supposed to be entertaining. It doesn't matter how many spells, skills, systems, etc. etc. there is in a game, if people don't find it entertaining it will fall flat. It could be the very best combat system ever designed for a MMORPG and the game could fall flat on its face because the combat might be boring to the hard majority of your market.
How many spells and skills in a game does the player base actually use? The remainder is all bloat and wasted resources. edit: I would just like to add that this is also *balance*
Imho
You are taking things out of context a bit here the number of skills is not the question , The level of freedom is ..... But that really has nothing to with the post you responded to .. This post is are there classes in New World ..
lets play ..
When i wield a Musket in New World i am Ranged DPS ...... TRUE
When i wield a Life Staff in New World I am Healer ......TRUE
When i wield a Sword and Shield in NEw World i am Tank..... TRUE
When i wield a Ice Gaunlet in New World i am Ranged DPS ... TRUE
Does weapon selection define class in NEw World .... TRUE
Are there Classes in New World ..... TRUE
And of course we have the quote from the lead dev ....
" For Boss
fights in particular, we recommend first running the experience with the
trinity of a tank, healer, and DPS"
Now you can argue with him if you like .. But he clearly tells you there are classes in his game ..
I'm not gonna argue any more with someone who pretends NW has classes. Seriously. Welcome backt to my ignore list.
Ohh there is no pretending ..
What class are you when you wield a Bow ..... Ranged
What class are you when you wield a Sword and Shield .. Tank
What class are you when you wield an Ice Gauntlet ... Mage
What class are you when you wield a Musket .... Ranged
What class are when you wield a Life Staff .. Healer
Which one would you like to debate ..
Maybe this will help ..
Tank
Melee DPS
Ranged DPS
Healer
One-Handed Sword and Shield
X
X
Hatchet
X
X
X
Spear
X
X
X
Warhammer
X
X
Great Axe
X
X
Rapier
X
X
Bow
X
Musket
X
Fire Staff
X
Ice Gauntlet
X
Healing Staff
X
i would ignore me to , everything you say gets dissected like a 10th grade lab frog ..
Thats your mo , when you get presented with any challenging debate you insult then ignore and or leave ..
And the most awesome irony is that as your in game you see people spamming chat
Lvl 28 Healer for Amrine
Tank and Healer need DPS for Amrine ..
Lvl 29 Tank for Amrine ..
What on earth could they be talking about ...
LMFAO you cannot make this shit up
LOL this gets better ..
From Mike Willette Head of New World Dev at Amazon .. on Amirine
"Balancing at such a scale is always a challenge! But its very fun to
dive deep into the mechanics of a design. All of our enemies have unique
strengths and weaknesses to weapons and damage types. Bosses also have
an additional layer of mechanics as they have shifts in mechanics at
different stages of the boss fight. Countless hours of play testing are
always involved across multiple teams to drive in on the fun. For Boss
fights in particular, we recommend first running the experience with the
trinity of a tank, healer, and DPS to learn the mechanics before
experimenting with mixed builds.
My goodness what could he possibly mean ...
You are dismissed
For me this is a silly debate
In every game, when I wield a sword I'm melee, If the sword shoots a flame and hits a target a hundred feet away. Its ranged, or.... is it magic? you take your pick
Games are supposed to be entertaining. It doesn't matter how many spells, skills, systems, etc. etc. there is in a game, if people don't find it entertaining it will fall flat. It could be the very best combat system ever designed for a MMORPG and the game could fall flat on its face because the combat might be boring to the hard majority of your market.
How many spells and skills in a game does the player base actually use? The remainder is all bloat and wasted resources. edit: I would just like to add that this is also *balance*
Imho
You are taking things out of context a bit here the number of skills is not the question , The level of freedom is ..... But that really has nothing to with the post you responded to .. This post is are there classes in New World ..
lets play ..
When i wield a Musket in New World i am Ranged DPS ...... TRUE
When i wield a Life Staff in New World I am Healer ......TRUE
When i wield a Sword and Shield in NEw World i am Tank..... TRUE
When i wield a Ice Gaunlet in New World i am Ranged DPS ... TRUE
Does weapon selection define class in NEw World .... TRUE
Are there Classes in New World ..... TRUE
And of course we have the quote from the lead dev ....
" For Boss
fights in particular, we recommend first running the experience with the
trinity of a tank, healer, and DPS"
Now you can argue with him if you like .. But he clearly tells you there are classes in his game ..
Can you not be any of those things in UO?
In UO back in 1997 I wanted to be a tank. I geared myself to be one, decked myself right out. The thing that made me quit the game in the end is that it was archery/mage or fodder.
Funny thing is me and 4 other guys played on release day. After the first 60 days I was the only one left lol.
I lasted 3 years.
I would love to see a UO2 based on the original ideas with just a little better execution
I say that lightheartedly. I loved UO and we all have learned so much since then.
You most likely made the same mistake many early Tank wanna-bes made and
that was ignore or lack of Magic Resist , was there biggest problem ..
Many also did not max Lumberjacking ..
All things that were learned as time went on ..
My
group had a Tank and it took a good year or longer for us to figure out
what was best at the time .. Which was Halberd/MR/Lumberjacking/
Tactics/Sword/Arms Lore/Anatomy ..In GM hvy Plate ..and GM Weapon for
the Arms LOre bonuses .. For our 5 man it worked great ..
Things have changed alot over the years now Sword and Shield are really well done with Bushido /Parry
You most likely made the same mistake many early Tank wanna-bes made and
that was ignore or lack of Magic Resist , was there biggest problem ..
Many also did not max Lumberjacking ..
All things that were learned as time went on ..
My
group had a Tank and it took a good year or longer for us to figure out
what was best at the time .. Which was Halberd/MR/Lumberjacking/
Tactics/Sword/Arms Lore/Anatomy ..In GM hvy Plate ..and GM Weapon for
the Arms LOre bonuses .. For our 5 man it worked great ..
Things have changed alot over the years now Sword and Shield are really well done with Bushido /Parry
They detected issues along the way and tried to resolve them? Or was all that balance in on release?
A lot changed when I played too including PVE servers. That's how they dealt with the imbalance when I played.
Glad to hear its improved over time. Sad that they haven't done anything grander with the IP in all these years *like giving NW a run for its money and I mean that sincerely *
You most likely made the same mistake many early Tank wanna-bes made and
that was ignore or lack of Magic Resist , was there biggest problem ..
Many also did not max Lumberjacking ..
All things that were learned as time went on ..
My
group had a Tank and it took a good year or longer for us to figure out
what was best at the time .. Which was Halberd/MR/Lumberjacking/
Tactics/Sword/Arms Lore/Anatomy ..In GM hvy Plate ..and GM Weapon for
the Arms LOre bonuses .. For our 5 man it worked great ..
Things have changed alot over the years now Sword and Shield are really well done with Bushido /Parry
They detected issues along the way and tried to resolve them? Or was all that balance in on release?
A lot changed when I played too including PVE servers. That's how they dealt with the imbalance when I played.
Glad to hear its improved over time. Sad that they haven't done anything grander with the IP in all these years *like giving NW a run for its money and I mean that sincerely *
edit *
Ya know i agree with ya i wish they had to , a UO that looked like NW would be perfect for me ..
But , i dont see it happeneing , that being said they have added sooo much to UO , so many improvemnets you most likely would not recognize most systems ..
And imo still the best MMORPG virtual world we have .. so its home for me ..
I am looking forward to the new Legacy servers coming son .. should be great ..
You most likely made the same mistake many early Tank wanna-bes made and
that was ignore or lack of Magic Resist , was there biggest problem ..
Many also did not max Lumberjacking ..
All things that were learned as time went on ..
My
group had a Tank and it took a good year or longer for us to figure out
what was best at the time .. Which was Halberd/MR/Lumberjacking/
Tactics/Sword/Arms Lore/Anatomy ..In GM hvy Plate ..and GM Weapon for
the Arms LOre bonuses .. For our 5 man it worked great ..
Things have changed alot over the years now Sword and Shield are really well done with Bushido /Parry
They detected issues along the way and tried to resolve them? Or was all that balance in on release?
A lot changed when I played too including PVE servers. That's how they dealt with the imbalance when I played.
Glad to hear its improved over time. Sad that they haven't done anything grander with the IP in all these years *like giving NW a run for its money and I mean that sincerely *
edit *
Ya know i agree with ya i wish they had to , a UO that looked like NW would be perfect for me ..
But , i dont see it happeneing , that being said they have added sooo much to UO , so many improvemnets you most likely would not recognize most systems ..
And imo still the best MMORPG virtual world we have .. so its home for me ..
I am looking forward to the new Legacy servers coming son .. should be great ..
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As a matter of fact during my first exposure to NW in the summer of '20, while I was still playing ESO, one of my biggest knocks against NW was that I saw the 100% weapon based advancement with no innate, personal, class or otherwise, skills as lacking.
It took me a while and enough leveling in NW to come to appreciate the depth that it does have. It's very different than most other MMOs I've played but there is depth and variety there.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Loved EQ Classic and hates that carebears had it changed.
Both of you are acting a bit menstrual over it lol. You have a difference of opinion, it's OK, the world will keep turning xD
The PvP is more attached to the game here than in say a game like ESO where PvP is also optional and if you don't, well you "miss out" on that. But ESO's PvP has no impact on the PvE and NW does some.
But the NW impact has to do with buffs to fast travel cost, gathering yields, house cost and taxes, etc. but the buffs are not so huge that you're "crippled" if you don't get the benefits.
It IS a 3 faction world though and even if you do 0 PvP and have no involvement in the territory control game you still get some of those buffs when playing in the territories controlled by your faction whether you participate in the PvP part or not.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Indeed what we may be getting here from posters is the standard "this is not as good as an action game" response about non-tab target combat in MMOs. Is there a solution for that, I would like to think there is but I have yet to play a MMORPG where the "action combat" is great.
Both are carnivores, can swim but don't care for it much, purr, have sharp claws and pointed teeth, are covered in fur, have tails, and can even be friendly with humans.
Their differences are largely a matter of scale between the two, except that as far as I've seen tigers can be trained to do tricks, house cats not so much.
Pretty sure that my house cats would try to kill me just like tigers sometimes do to their owners, but I'm kept safe being the only one between us who can open the little cans of cat food and can give awesome neck scritches.
So same with the comparison between UO and NW, as an outsider to both games I can see the similarities and note there is a significant difference in things like the amount of skills which are more a matter of scale than anything else far as I can tell.
If a character can have 83 skills I'd be very surprised if many were actually of much use on a regular basis, but I could be wrong not having played either.
Regardless, both games do not force a player to choose a class, use a particular weapon set or slot specific skills every time, which seems much like UO, but again at a much smaller scale.
While you may love UO and the many complexities it offered, playing it sort of damaged you just as EQ1, SWG and other early MMORPGS did to other early players, especially if they were one of their first games.
Those folks spend their lives searching for a better version of their first love which is unlikely to ever happen again.
I was that way with DAOC for the longest time, kept returning to it for years on both corporate and free shard servers, but finally learned to let it go.
Perhaps it's time for you to do the same?
Cheers.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
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While the game had it's fans, it's detractors were legion back in the day and one reason why other titles with different designs were launched and thrived in many ways far beyond UO.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Other than that I fucking loved the game. It was the first title that gave me marriage problems
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
lol .. my head is still on a swivel when i hear a chicken to get the feathers and meat ..
In every game, when I wield a sword I'm melee, If the sword shoots a flame and hits a target a hundred feet away. Its ranged, or.... is it magic? you take your pick
Games are supposed to be entertaining. It doesn't matter how many spells, skills, systems, etc. etc. there is in a game, if people don't find it entertaining it will fall flat. It could be the very best combat system ever designed for a MMORPG and the game could fall flat on its face because the combat might be boring to the hard majority of your market.
How many spells and skills in a game does the player base actually use? The remainder is all bloat and wasted resources. edit: I would just like to add that this is also *balance*
Imho
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
In UO back in 1997 I wanted to be a tank. I geared myself to be one, decked myself right out. The thing that made me quit the game in the end is that it was archery/mage or fodder.
Funny thing is me and 4 other guys played on release day. After the first 60 days I was the only one left lol.
I lasted 3 years.
I would love to see a UO2 based on the original ideas with just a little better execution
I say that lightheartedly. I loved UO and we all have learned so much since then.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
A lot changed when I played too including PVE servers. That's how they dealt with the imbalance when I played.
Glad to hear its improved over time. Sad that they haven't done anything grander with the IP in all these years *like giving NW a run for its money and I mean that sincerely
edit *
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee