I stopped playing approx 5 days in. I looked forward, internally, and thought to myself "Is this what the endgame is going to be?" and my motivation was drained away.
Not only that, but once people had funnelled money into a Guild (Within the Syndicate) to quickly buy up an area, then that Guild kicked 80% of the people who contributed after buying, I had a sinking feeling that I wasn't going to be in for a good time. Gullible people just giving away control did not bode well for the future wars ahead.
Well firstly I have to agree that fans have gone from "all the criticisms are fake" to "there are real problems with the game". You only have to look back at the earlier threads for that, the hype was strong in this one and players got carried away on that wave. But I also don't think the game is as bad as the detractors paint it. To me it seems NW released too early and this has resulted in a early access MMO which only satisfies up to a point.
Give it time and they will turn things round, the level of negative hysteria about the game is as overly dramatic as the hype was. Which of course gaming media loves and caters for. As players we need to stand back from that, trying not to be caught up in the media cycle of acclaim and dismay that is a hallmark of the media today.
No no no, nothing is better then that sweet, sweet ‘I told you so’ while laughing at yet another painful blow to the genre you claim to love without any nuances whatsoever.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Ironically , I want NW to succeed and think it has alot of potential and why i supported it ..(giving away 6 copies)
And i still think they can put together a good game ..
I also think that right now they sold people a full price barely Beta in place of a fully featured MMO that was advertised.. And that has a lot of angry people leaving in droves (which we were told was not happening)
The unusual amount of problems and changes drastically affecting gameplay swinging the pendulum is terrible .
Now i believe that AGS can deliver , But in also think they should shut NW down offer a 10 day window for refunds and bring it back up in a year , when hopefully it would be ready .. this is just good PR and would have people consider returning ..
Right now .. there is alot of people that will not be back regardless of what they fix without the good faith of refunds .. The taste is that bad .. And yes this game is at least a year away in development from fixing and delivering a fully fleshed out RvR MMO ..
The problem here is once again the White Knighting , it never ends well , and again anyone is welcome to go back and read all the NW threads , it becomes very obvious the animosity directed toward any criticism ..
I have more money invested in the industry since the the 90s than you can imagine , Ive carved my entire life out from it .. Ill leave it at that ..
We all want these games to do well and NW is no different , where NW is different is the terrible product they sold a community that is starving for the next best thing and then had sand kicked in there eyes ..
I remember you giving away 6 copies, you had a high degree of investment in the game, it is natural you feel let down. What will matter in a years time though is are you happy you bought the game now they have done major improvements? Rather like my opinion of NMS, you don't forgive a poor launch but what they do after that is what counts.
My only real concern going ahead is that the checkered launch may make them want to change gameplay too rapidly and cater to what the most vocal say. They need time to make the right decisions, not kneejerk responses to vocal players or what social media sees as 'big issues'. You can see that sort of thing in any MMO, but the worst for me was AC2; NW mustn't go down that road as it rarely ends well.
Well firstly I have to agree that fans have gone from "all the criticisms are fake" to "there are real problems with the game". You only have to look back at the earlier threads for that, the hype was strong in this one and players got carried away on that wave. But I also don't think the game is as bad as the detractors paint it. To me it seems NW released too early and this has resulted in a early access MMO which only satisfies up to a point.
Give it time and they will turn things round, the level of negative hysteria about the game is as overly dramatic as the hype was. Which of course gaming media loves and caters for. As players we need to stand back from that, trying not to be caught up in the media cycle of acclaim and dismay that is a hallmark of the media today.
No no no, nothing is better then that sweet, sweet ‘I told you so’ while laughing at yet another painful blow to the genre you claim to love without any nuances whatsoever.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Ironically , I want NW to succeed and think it has alot of potential and why i supported it ..(giving away 6 copies)
And i still think they can put together a good game ..
I also think that right now they sold people a full price barely Beta in place of a fully featured MMO that was advertised.. And that has a lot of angry people leaving in droves (which we were told was not happening)
The unusual amount of problems and changes drastically affecting gameplay swinging the pendulum is terrible .
Now i believe that AGS can deliver , But in also think they should shut NW down offer a 10 day window for refunds and bring it back up in a year , when hopefully it would be ready .. this is just good PR and would have people consider returning ..
Right now .. there is alot of people that will not be back regardless of what they fix without the good faith of refunds .. The taste is that bad .. And yes this game is at least a year away in development from fixing and delivering a fully fleshed out RvR MMO ..
The problem here is once again the White Knighting , it never ends well , and again anyone is welcome to go back and read all the NW threads , it becomes very obvious the animosity directed toward any criticism ..
I have more money invested in the industry since the the 90s than you can imagine , Ive carved my entire life out from it .. Ill leave it at that ..
We all want these games to do well and NW is no different , where NW is different is the terrible product they sold a community that is starving for the next best thing and then had sand kicked in there eyes ..
It's funny to me, considering your admission here, that you should mention "next best thing" and "sand kicked in their eyes" to finish up with.
Well firstly I have to agree that fans have gone from "all the criticisms are fake" to "there are real problems with the game". You only have to look back at the earlier threads for that, the hype was strong in this one and players got carried away on that wave. But I also don't think the game is as bad as the detractors paint it. To me it seems NW released too early and this has resulted in a early access MMO which only satisfies up to a point.
Give it time and they will turn things round, the level of negative hysteria about the game is as overly dramatic as the hype was. Which of course gaming media loves and caters for. As players we need to stand back from that, trying not to be caught up in the media cycle of acclaim and dismay that is a hallmark of the media today.
No no no, nothing is better then that sweet, sweet ‘I told you so’ while laughing at yet another painful blow to the genre you claim to love without any nuances whatsoever.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Ironically , I want NW to succeed and think it has alot of potential and why i supported it ..(giving away 6 copies)
And i still think they can put together a good game ..
I also think that right now they sold people a full price barely Beta in place of a fully featured MMO that was advertised.. And that has a lot of angry people leaving in droves (which we were told was not happening)
The unusual amount of problems and changes drastically affecting gameplay swinging the pendulum is terrible .
Now i believe that AGS can deliver , But in also think they should shut NW down offer a 10 day window for refunds and bring it back up in a year , when hopefully it would be ready .. this is just good PR and would have people consider returning ..
Right now .. there is alot of people that will not be back regardless of what they fix without the good faith of refunds .. The taste is that bad .. And yes this game is at least a year away in development from fixing and delivering a fully fleshed out RvR MMO ..
The problem here is once again the White Knighting , it never ends well , and again anyone is welcome to go back and read all the NW threads , it becomes very obvious the animosity directed toward any criticism ..
I have more money invested in the industry since the the 90s than you can imagine , Ive carved my entire life out from it .. Ill leave it at that ..
We all want these games to do well and NW is no different , where NW is different is the terrible product they sold a community that is starving for the next best thing and then had sand kicked in there eyes ..
Thanks for the reply Scorch, things can get a little heated every now and then but I definitely appreciate the less intense, reasonable posts, I even agree with what you wrote. Cheers!
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
For me the current state of the game isn't the issue. For me the issue is the direction in which they're heading... which I find uninteresting.
When presented with a problem the fix seems to be to make the game less immersive, complex, or interesting.
It is a plenty good game for the $40.00.
Kind of what I am thinking too. My thread that NW has just barely enough is still valid I think. For a casual player like me, who could take weeks or months to get to lvl 60, the game is barely good enough.
I usually wait 6 months to get into a new MMO, to let it sort out. I'm getting worried what that sorting is going to look like. They've already shown poor judgement trying to make a PvP game, and then bolting PvE on at the last minute. At least they are trying.
But what is their final vision? Do they have one? Or are they just reacting to the punches?
The irony that most all of his complaints many here complained about here for weeks and we were told , we didnt know what we were talking about ..
We Were wrong ...
we are playing wrong ..
we are counting wrong
we have bad pcs
we are haters..
we are on bad servers..
BUt ohh LAzy Peon says it and Now .. its word .. lmfao ..priceless..
Its good to see peoples eyes opening to this mess of a game altho it certainingly took some far longer than others ..
Ya know what they say .. " It takes takes the dimmest Bulbs in the Box far longer to shine enough light on a problem to see it "
Live and learn.
You put in the time and actually play it to 60 and do that grind, present the good and the bad and use words in actual sentences instead of just spouting exaggerated and unbalanced shit and you get credibility.
Who would have thought it?
Priceless indeed that you think your trolling is on par with Peon's review.
Another thing. The guy in the video is not wishing for the game to fail .And of course the guy gave a big list of positives too instead of just bashing the game.
That's the difference between trolling, being an asshat, and just giving one's balanced opinion.
What I realized though is that at the end of the day, the few asshats on this site don't impact my enjoyment of the game at all, and I still have pleasure communicating with people who have balanced views like the OP and a few others here.
Respect, walk, what did you say? Respect, walk Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me? - PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
The irony that most all of his complaints many here complained about here for weeks and we were told , we didnt know what we were talking about ..
We Were wrong ...
we are playing wrong ..
we are counting wrong
we have bad pcs
we are haters..
we are on bad servers..
BUt ohh LAzy Peon says it and Now .. its word .. lmfao ..priceless..
Its good to see peoples eyes opening to this mess of a game altho it certainingly took some far longer than others ..
Ya know what they say .. " It takes takes the dimmest Bulbs in the Box far longer to shine enough light on a problem to see it "
Live and learn.
You put in the time and actually play it to 60 and do that grind, present the good and the bad and use words in actual sentences instead of just spouting exaggerated and unbalanced shit and you get credibility.
Who would have thought it?
Priceless indeed that you think your trolling is on par with Peon's review.
And another thing. The guy in the video is not wishing for the game to fail. That's the difference between trolling, being an asshat, and just giving one's opinion.
No ones wishing for the game to fail. We all know each failure will scuttle many other future projects.
Well firstly I have to agree that fans have gone from "all the criticisms are fake" to "there are real problems with the game". You only have to look back at the earlier threads for that, the hype was strong in this one and players got carried away on that wave. But I also don't think the game is as bad as the detractors paint it. To me it seems NW released too early and this has resulted in a early access MMO which only satisfies up to a point.
Give it time and they will turn things round, the level of negative hysteria about the game is as overly dramatic as the hype was. Which of course gaming media loves and caters for. As players we need to stand back from that, trying not to be caught up in the media cycle of acclaim and dismay that is a hallmark of the media today.
It's the "ninja" changes (aka nerfs) in this patch which broke many people's faith in the game, at least on my server's Discord. We had solid 1900+ concurrent players before the patch, with some small queues at peak times, it dropped to 1600+ right now since that patch. All those people were able to cope with the bugs, exploits, and other problems MMORPG releases have, but here it's all about making changes that break the game for many people, changes which were NOT needed and NOT asked by anyone.
The worst being increasing elite power in 60+ areas (which isn't a bad thing IMHO) but in the same time, NERFING the rewards drastically. Nobody I talked to was against a bit more challenge, but all agree that it must be worth it, and right now... well... AGS fucked up big time. And of course, they also broke all the elites in lower level areas big time, making some unkillable even for well geared level 60 players.
Respect, walk, what did you say? Respect, walk Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me? - PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
Well firstly I have to agree that fans have gone from "all the criticisms are fake" to "there are real problems with the game". You only have to look back at the earlier threads for that, the hype was strong in this one and players got carried away on that wave. But I also don't think the game is as bad as the detractors paint it. To me it seems NW released too early and this has resulted in a early access MMO which only satisfies up to a point.
Give it time and they will turn things round, the level of negative hysteria about the game is as overly dramatic as the hype was. Which of course gaming media loves and caters for. As players we need to stand back from that, trying not to be caught up in the media cycle of acclaim and dismay that is a hallmark of the media today.
It's the "ninja" changes (aka nerfs) in this patch which broke many people's faith in the game, at least on my server's Discord. We had solid 1900+ concurrent players before the patch, with some small queues at peak times, it dropped to 1600+ right now since that patch. All those people were able to cope with the bugs, exploits, and other problems MMORPG releases have, but here it's all about making changes that break the game for many people, changes which were NOT needed and NOT asked by anyone.
The worst being increasing elite power in 60+ areas (which isn't a bad thing IMHO) but in the same time, NERFING the rewards drastically. Nobody I talked to was against a bit more challenge, but all agree that it must be worth it, and right now... well... AGS fucked up big time. And of course, they also broke all the elites in lower level areas big time, making some unkillable even for well geared level 60 players.
It is too soon to be changing difficulty unless Amazon think the difficulty is way too easy or hard. They need to prioritize questing and PvP gameplay from what I see in posts. They may think the increased difficulty helps with that, but stretching the goalposts is tricky when so many question the combat and who and when you can PvP.
But they will need to make changes players don't ask for, there is no way round that. I assume there was heads up on the test server, players had a chance to see what was going to happen?
Well firstly I have to agree that fans have gone from "all the criticisms are fake" to "there are real problems with the game". You only have to look back at the earlier threads for that, the hype was strong in this one and players got carried away on that wave. But I also don't think the game is as bad as the detractors paint it. To me it seems NW released too early and this has resulted in a early access MMO which only satisfies up to a point.
Give it time and they will turn things round, the level of negative hysteria about the game is as overly dramatic as the hype was. Which of course gaming media loves and caters for. As players we need to stand back from that, trying not to be caught up in the media cycle of acclaim and dismay that is a hallmark of the media today.
It's the "ninja" changes (aka nerfs) in this patch which broke many people's faith in the game, at least on my server's Discord. We had solid 1900+ concurrent players before the patch, with some small queues at peak times, it dropped to 1600+ right now since that patch. All those people were able to cope with the bugs, exploits, and other problems MMORPG releases have, but here it's all about making changes that break the game for many people, changes which were NOT needed and NOT asked by anyone.
The worst being increasing elite power in 60+ areas (which isn't a bad thing IMHO) but in the same time, NERFING the rewards drastically. Nobody I talked to was against a bit more challenge, but all agree that it must be worth it, and right now... well... AGS fucked up big time. And of course, they also broke all the elites in lower level areas big time, making some unkillable even for well geared level 60 players.
It is too soon to be changing difficulty unless Amazon think the difficulty is way too easy or hard. They need to prioritize questing and PvP gameplay from what I see in posts. They may think the increased difficulty helps with that, but stretching the goalposts is tricky when so many question the combat and who and when you can PvP.
But they will need to make changes players don't ask for, there is no way round that. I assume there was heads up on the test server, players had a chance to see what was going to happen?
Only talking for 60+ here.
Well, making people unable to farm chests without first killing the mobs around should have been the priority. The mob difficulty was just fine if they had made the loot-ability of the chests around them linked to the kill of those mobs. You had people run around looting all the elite chests without killing any mobs, and that was just plain wrong.
The problem is, their current changes only harm those who were playing legit and killing everything while looting. Those "content skippers" will have it a bit harder, but that won't stop them.
They crushed the wrong bug, and by doing so, not only screwed the legit 60+ players but also the lower level players by fucking up all the elites and also many solo quest mobs.
As I said, before this catastrophic content release, each new patch was progressing in the right direction, making the game better and closer to a MMO which people would play for years. This patch just utterly destroyed that. All the people on my server's discord agree, which is a bad sign.
TLDR: before this patch, I had high hopes for this game, going in the right direction every new patch. Now I have serious doubt about will of AGS to even keep this alive.
Respect, walk, what did you say? Respect, walk Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me? - PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
I feel people should own their likes while being aware of their likes faults. If you like a game, own it. Warts and all it is still ok to like a game that has issues. I see dupes and payment issues and technical issues to this day with 20 year old games. It never really ends. Just be honest about the game without over doing it from either side. I have liked NW since (before) launch and still do. Yes it has issues but I dont care. I like it. The sky is not falling in my world but it is not the second coming of the genre. I am ok with that. On the other side, if you do not like the game or the issues outweigh your like, own that too. Yet dont beat it into the ground and beat your chest like you are a gaming prophet You just come across weak minded and ego fragile. Say your peace and walk off.
White knights and trolls are the same type people with different optics. They are the chicken littles and fervant evangelics of the gaming world. Neither will admit they 'over do' anything. They are both zeolots and that is harmful for the genre on both ends. Which in reality comes across as comical to anyone with a rational mind that removes emotion and ego from the topic. These are just games for the vast majority of people in the world, nothing more. Why reveal an ugly side of your character in regards to them? Game on friends.
Sounds alot like our politics today....Extremists on both sides ruin everything.
My "review" of the review's negative points. I agree with all the positives of course.
I had to make it two posts, it's too long.
So... enjoy... or not.
- A lot of the towns and outposts feel copy paste.
And some definitely are. Winsward/Mourningdale for instance. But a lot ? That's just gross exageration based on the fact that all newbie areas are basically in the "Sea/Sand/Pirate" style. I could just as well say "a lot of towns and outposts feel unique", and that would be just as true.
Not a breaking point of me at all.
Rank: non intrusive
- Lack of mob variety.
Again, not a game breaking point for me. The game went for a style which involves many humanoids. And could there be more mob types ? Of course, always. But is it really lacking that much ? Definitely not.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- Unable to target heal outside of your 5 player group.
Has he tried to turn off all those targetted healing options in gameplay settings ? First time I tried healing I was like him, "that's shit". Then I fumbled with those settings and now I just don't have any more problems.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- Anti social end game boss farming, healer unfriendly.
Here I agree, there's a big problem with rewarding healing in the open world in this game.
Rank: gameplay breaking for specific players.
- Annoying body blocking from mobs & players.
Here I totally disagree. I love the fact that you aren't some transparent ghost. I've played games like that before, it's not hard to adapt, you just have to get rid of that "WoW clone" mindset that everything is transparent. Once you get that, you can actually use it to your advantage.
Rank: actually positive
- No diminishing returns on getting staggered by mobs.
Agreed, mobs shouldn't be able to chain stun you. This said, I don't agree with his argument that low level mobs shouldn't be able to stagger you. I like it that some level 10 mobs at 60 still can do you some harm.
Rank: not game breaking, but annoying.
- Cluncky combat & inconsistent dodge cancels.
I don't agree at all about the cluncky part, this is one of the most "what you see is what you get" combat in MMOs. The inconsistent dodging is somehow true, but has been improbed in that last patch... yeah, there are good things in that patch too.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- Extremely poorly designed quests.
Depends on what you mean by poorly designed. I found the main quest line quite good, not on par with ESO or SW:TOR but not utterly bad either. The town board and faction quests are repetitive because, well, that's how they work. The game definitely need a shitton of other side quests at all levels though. I found all the weapon and armor quests quite fun and with a good reward at the end, but then, I don't mind running all over the world, I've done that in all games.
Rank: not a gamebreaker, and already improved.
- Group content tied to the MSQ that high levels can't help low levels with.
What ? How can't high levels not help low levels with MSQ parts ? Please tell me. I've help so many run the lower level dungeons or kill some of the harder quest mobs it's not even funny.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- Economy ruined from countless bugs and dupe exploits.
How can I not agree on this one. And considering the time in alpha and beta, it's hard to undestand. And they also have slow reaction times, a company like Blizzard would have servers shut down, rolled back, and the issue fixed within a day at max.
Rank: gamebreaker, but fixed... for now. Not fixed fast enough though.
- More gold sinks than gold injectors, deflationary economy.
He's sadly right on this one. I don't have any gold problems yet, mostly because I did all available quests including lower level ones which I was progressing, and I also send good amounts of various stuff like ammo on the auction house. But then, I only own small houses, problem seems to be with people who were greedy, bought several big houses, and have problems paying now. This said, the game definitely needs more income sources. The fishing nerf for instance was a disgrace, instead of banning bots, they punish legit players.
Rank: not a gamebreaker, but very annoying and needs quick improvements.
- Only 100 trading post listings isn't enough.
Disagreed. It stops individuals from flooding the market. And also from using the AH as a storage. 100 is already a LOT !
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- No NPCS yo buy your junk setting a baseline price.
Agreed, that would add a minimum price so some items. Works in all other games.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- Storage management is depressing at end game.
I have no problems, but I took some time to organize it. For instance, all my cooking stuff is in Ebonscale near the max level cooking station there, and nothing else. I agree with him that an unified storage like in all other games would solve a lot of micromanagement though, but I can live without it.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- Low server cap for such a player driven game doesn't scale well.
My server (1900+ before this patch, 1600+ now) is doing well, groups starting all the time, the recruitment channel is flooded, and I'm in a nice community so this is not an issue for me. I can see it as a problem for lower pop servers though.
Rank: not a gamebreaker, needs server merges.
- Crafting system needs the resources and values reworked.
I think the biggest problem is that even high end crafting needs lowest level resources. While I see the initial intend behind that, which is to never make low level areas obsolete, it finally doesn't work that way, and only makes low level resources end being more valuable than high end ones. I would fix this by making every tier only require the tier's resource and the previous tier resource, without every relying on lower level ones. That would require some indepth rework though. Note that this doesn't affect me much, since I'm gathering all my own stuff and only sell end products on the AH.
Rank: not a gamebreaker for me, I don't sell basic resources, only finished products.
Respect, walk, what did you say? Respect, walk Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me? - PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
You get a "flex" title for maxing out any profession.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- Devs butchered the fishing skill rewards.
Totally agreed, as I already said before. They punished the legit players because of cheaters, and that is never a good move. This said, fishing still yelds a ton of valuable materials, both for cooking but also for jewelcrafting.
Rank: Very badly handled problem. Not a gamebreaker.
- Territory wars are broken, game engine can't support it.
I've been in a few wars and invasions and never had a hint of lag, but then maybe I'm lucky and also have good equipment, gigabyte fiber and a strong PC. I'd agree though that people with lower specs should be able to participate without technical issues too.
Rank: not a gamebreaker for me. Can be a problem depending on your computer and connexion I guess.
- The high watermark system is poorly thought out and needs a rework.
Totally agreed. First thing, add an interface where you can see your actual watermark ! And make it universal, or at least one value per armor type and one general for weapons. Or make weapon groups at least (1H, 2H, magic).
Rank: Gamebreaker. Very annoying. Needs a rework.
- High watermark system not tracked by UI.
See previous entry. The guy made two problems where there's only one.
- No point running dungeons until 600 watermark.
Sadly right. Well, yes, there's a major point: fun. But it's not efficient and you'd be wasting your keys. Without the key system, this would not be a problem. Solution: make keys MUCH easier to make.
Rank: end game fun breaker. People are discouraged to run dungeons. That just can't be good for any MMORPG.
- Player housing decoration score makes no sense.
Well, I think the player participation in the area's activities should have some influence on the total score, the idea is not totally bad. But right now it's way to high. What is in the house should be the main source for that score.
Rank: not a gamebreaker, but could deserver a tweak.
- Mob AI is very easy to manipulate, breaks certain parts of the game.
And that's where they majorly failed in this last patch. They tried to compensate for the mob AI being able to be cheated to loot chests by majorly buffing the mobs in the area. That doesn't work. What they should have done is tie mobs to the local containers. If you don't kill the mob(s) near elite chests, you just can't loot them. Problem solved. Instead of that, they broke the game playability for many players, making many quest undoable and many solo content either undoable too or just way too long to be worth the hassle.
Rank: gamebreaker for end game, and poorly handled fix. Needs a rework.
- No easy way to switch between gear sets when it's a big part of endgame.
Ohhh, how much I agree on that one. This game needs a gear set system like WoW. Just switching from combat to fishing gear each time gets old, really. Note that ESO doesn't have that either, but can be compensated by very good addons, something which NW doesn't have at all.
Rank: not a gamebreaker, but that part of the UI needs a major overhaul.
- Trading post lacks search functionality.
Massively improved in last patch, but there's still room for more improvement indeed.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- Transmog only for cash shop cosmetics.
Well, yeah, that's a pity, but also their way to earn money. I still hope for improvements in that matter. I also hope cash shop cosmetic sets will be able to be dyed someday.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- You stop moving when opening inventory & quest log.
Well, yeah, I'd rather have it not happen, but not really a big deal to me...
Rank: not a gamebreaker at all.
- The community is more toxic than most other MMOs.
Disagreed. That guy must have known WoW barrens chat... or was he too young ? It's not the best community ever, but I don't see more asshats than in any other MMO. Just turn off global chat.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- No customer support, copy/paste ticket responses.
I only had two contacts with customer support, once it was indeed an automated response for reporting a bot (and the guy was banned, which was all I was asking for), and the second for a problem with a quest where I had an in game GM answer me.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- A lot of the perks and gems in the game don't work.
Most of that has been fixed in the last patch.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
Respect, walk, what did you say? Respect, walk Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me? - PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
I feel people should own their likes while being aware of their likes faults. If you like a game, own it. Warts and all it is still ok to like a game that has issues. I see dupes and payment issues and technical issues to this day with 20 year old games. It never really ends. Just be honest about the game without over doing it from either side. I have liked NW since (before) launch and still do. Yes it has issues but I dont care. I like it. The sky is not falling in my world but it is not the second coming of the genre. I am ok with that. On the other side, if you do not like the game or the issues outweigh your like, own that too. Yet dont beat it into the ground and beat your chest like you are a gaming prophet You just come across weak minded and ego fragile. Say your peace and walk off.
White knights and trolls are the same type people with different optics. They are the chicken littles and fervant evangelics of the gaming world. Neither will admit they 'over do' anything. They are both zeolots and that is harmful for the genre on both ends. Which in reality comes across as comical to anyone with a rational mind that removes emotion and ego from the topic. These are just games for the vast majority of people in the world, nothing more. Why reveal an ugly side of your character in regards to them? Game on friends.
Sounds alot like our politics today....Extremists on both sides ruin everything.
Sadly true.
When it comes to NW, I don't think there are any extremists around here, not anymore. Jean-Luc certainly became one. He shut down some criticism towards his end that I agreed with. But, he's gone now.
Scorch could be considered the game's biggest detractor around here, but he's not that extreme. Unless you consider one line troll posts extreme.
Compare the thread counts and post numbers for NW to the releases of SWTOR or GW2. It's pretty tame around here. Then again, our community here is likely now smaller than it's ever been.
I still think some people are just trying to invent extremists or pigeonhole some posters into white and black for the sake of arguing.
People like to regroup with others thinking the same way they are... it's human. So they will tend to be kinder to the arguments they agree with compared to those they disagree with, no matter how true they are, and no matter how much of an asshole those who express them are.
And you're right, this site, at least the forum part, is dead in the water. Only a few trolls left, among even fewer worth reading posters. And the articles aren't much better. What once was an informative site worth reading is now full of 90% of "click bait" articles. The advertising money is all that counts.
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I feel people should own their likes while being aware of their likes faults. If you like a game, own it. Warts and all it is still ok to like a game that has issues. I see dupes and payment issues and technical issues to this day with 20 year old games. It never really ends. Just be honest about the game without over doing it from either side. I have liked NW since (before) launch and still do. Yes it has issues but I dont care. I like it. The sky is not falling in my world but it is not the second coming of the genre. I am ok with that. On the other side, if you do not like the game or the issues outweigh your like, own that too. Yet dont beat it into the ground and beat your chest like you are a gaming prophet You just come across weak minded and ego fragile. Say your peace and walk off.
White knights and trolls are the same type people with different optics. They are the chicken littles and fervant evangelics of the gaming world. Neither will admit they 'over do' anything. They are both zeolots and that is harmful for the genre on both ends. Which in reality comes across as comical to anyone with a rational mind that removes emotion and ego from the topic. These are just games for the vast majority of people in the world, nothing more. Why reveal an ugly side of your character in regards to them? Game on friends.
Saying this game is lacking ABCD and E isn't trolling if it's true. Saying this game is broken, isn't trolling if it's true.
Be honest, there wasn't anyone trolling. It was criticism. There is a difference.
Some people playing and enjoying it at the time could take it, and some could not. It's dishonest to paint this narrative of trolls and knights when it really was just the white knights making mortal enemies of anyone that disliked what they liked...
people are allowed to defend themselves against these types. That's what happened.
They deserve to be laughed at. Iselin and Jean ( who is still here in this thread on his alt account you aren't fooling anyone sir, you haven't posted on that account since 2012 and all your comments are NW-related?) I'm laughing at you:
If we are going to talk ownership.. sure let's talk about it but don't make shit up to fit your narrative, everyone saw what happened.
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well losing ~75% of your players within one month of launch of a mmo (that actually works!) is extreme. No middle road to take there. You might like the game very much but your experience doesn't seem to be universal.
imo no more proof is needed. They royally fucked up design wise and it doesnt look like they are done yet.
I feel people should own their likes while being aware of their likes faults. If you like a game, own it. Warts and all it is still ok to like a game that has issues. I see dupes and payment issues and technical issues to this day with 20 year old games. It never really ends. Just be honest about the game without over doing it from either side. I have liked NW since (before) launch and still do. Yes it has issues but I dont care. I like it. The sky is not falling in my world but it is not the second coming of the genre. I am ok with that. On the other side, if you do not like the game or the issues outweigh your like, own that too. Yet dont beat it into the ground and beat your chest like you are a gaming prophet You just come across weak minded and ego fragile. Say your peace and walk off.
White knights and trolls are the same type people with different optics. They are the chicken littles and fervant evangelics of the gaming world. Neither will admit they 'over do' anything. They are both zeolots and that is harmful for the genre on both ends. Which in reality comes across as comical to anyone with a rational mind that removes emotion and ego from the topic. These are just games for the vast majority of people in the world, nothing more. Why reveal an ugly side of your character in regards to them? Game on friends.
Saying this game is lacking ABCD and E isn't trolling if it's true. Saying this game is broken, isn't trolling if it's true.
Be honest, there wasn't anyone trolling. It was criticism. There is a difference.
Some people playing and enjoying it at the time could take it, and some could not. It's dishonest to paint this narrative of trolls and knights when it really was just the white knights making mortal enemies of anyone that disliked what they liked...
people are allowed to defend themselves against these types.
They deserve to be laughed at. Iselin and Jean ( who is still here in this thread on his alt account you aren't fooling anyone sir, you haven't posted on that account since 2012 and all your comments are NW-related?) I'm laughing at you:
But yea pegged The Korrigan as Jean his 2nd day posting .. its funny he still thinks hes hiding ..
Whats even more sad , is i take each and every thread and post and treat it indvidually , on its own merits , but we have a little clique here that carries there angry little grudges around from 1 topic to the next .. Funny to watch ...
for ex.. I know for instance , me and you Klash ( have clashed) in the past on several occasions but .. in one thread i ended bowing out and saying you were correct ..
In another you gave me some props on a topic here and admitted there is more to consider .. ( unfortunately topics we can no longer discuss) was some great learning thru those tbh
I always weigh each topic and post on its own merits but we have people here that carry grudges around further damaging the community...
Ive done alot over the years to help this community giving away 1000s of $ in games .. And thats always fun for me .. And ive seen people take cheap shots in those give away threads.. Pathetic at best ..
anyway i am actually hoping NW can pull it out and ive voiced that numerous times over that past 8 weeks..
I will not turn a cheek to the passive/aggresive insults that some here like to throw around ..
bahh ya know what lets do a give away .. .. change the mood here..
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Not only that, but once people had funnelled money into a Guild (Within the Syndicate) to quickly buy up an area, then that Guild kicked 80% of the people who contributed after buying, I had a sinking feeling that I wasn't going to be in for a good time. Gullible people just giving away control did not bode well for the future wars ahead.
My only real concern going ahead is that the checkered launch may make them want to change gameplay too rapidly and cater to what the most vocal say. They need time to make the right decisions, not kneejerk responses to vocal players or what social media sees as 'big issues'. You can see that sort of thing in any MMO, but the worst for me was AC2; NW mustn't go down that road as it rarely ends well.
Just teasing...and good post.
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Another thing. The guy in the video is not wishing for the game to fail .And of course the guy gave a big list of positives too instead of just bashing the game.
That's the difference between trolling, being an asshat, and just giving one's balanced opinion.
What I realized though is that at the end of the day, the few asshats on this site don't impact my enjoyment of the game at all, and I still have pleasure communicating with people who have balanced views like the OP and a few others here.
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It's the "ninja" changes (aka nerfs) in this patch which broke many people's faith in the game, at least on my server's Discord. We had solid 1900+ concurrent players before the patch, with some small queues at peak times, it dropped to 1600+ right now since that patch. All those people were able to cope with the bugs, exploits, and other problems MMORPG releases have, but here it's all about making changes that break the game for many people, changes which were NOT needed and NOT asked by anyone.
The worst being increasing elite power in 60+ areas (which isn't a bad thing IMHO) but in the same time, NERFING the rewards drastically. Nobody I talked to was against a bit more challenge, but all agree that it must be worth it, and right now... well... AGS fucked up big time. And of course, they also broke all the elites in lower level areas big time, making some unkillable even for well geared level 60 players.
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But they will need to make changes players don't ask for, there is no way round that. I assume there was heads up on the test server, players had a chance to see what was going to happen?
Only talking for 60+ here.
They crushed the wrong bug, and by doing so, not only screwed the legit 60+ players but also the lower level players by fucking up all the elites and also many solo quest mobs.
As I said, before this catastrophic content release, each new patch was progressing in the right direction, making the game better and closer to a MMO which people would play for years. This patch just utterly destroyed that. All the people on my server's discord agree, which is a bad sign.
TLDR: before this patch, I had high hopes for this game, going in the right direction every new patch. Now I have serious doubt about will of AGS to even keep this alive.
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Sounds alot like our politics today....Extremists on both sides ruin everything.
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I had to make it two posts, it's too long.
So... enjoy... or not.
- A lot of the towns and outposts feel copy paste.
And some definitely are. Winsward/Mourningdale for instance.
But a lot ? That's just gross exageration based on the fact that all newbie areas are basically in the "Sea/Sand/Pirate" style.
I could just as well say "a lot of towns and outposts feel unique", and that would be just as true.
Not a breaking point of me at all.
Rank: non intrusive
- Lack of mob variety.
Again, not a game breaking point for me. The game went for a style which involves many humanoids. And could there be more mob types ? Of course, always. But is it really lacking that much ? Definitely not.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- Unable to target heal outside of your 5 player group.
Has he tried to turn off all those targetted healing options in gameplay settings ?
First time I tried healing I was like him, "that's shit". Then I fumbled with those settings and now I just don't have any more problems.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- Anti social end game boss farming, healer unfriendly.
Here I agree, there's a big problem with rewarding healing in the open world in this game.
Rank: gameplay breaking for specific players.
- Annoying body blocking from mobs & players.
Here I totally disagree. I love the fact that you aren't some transparent ghost. I've played games like that before, it's not hard to adapt, you just have to get rid of that "WoW clone" mindset that everything is transparent. Once you get that, you can actually use it to your advantage.
Rank: actually positive
- No diminishing returns on getting staggered by mobs.
Agreed, mobs shouldn't be able to chain stun you. This said, I don't agree with his argument that low level mobs shouldn't be able to stagger you. I like it that some level 10 mobs at 60 still can do you some harm.
Rank: not game breaking, but annoying.
- Cluncky combat & inconsistent dodge cancels.
I don't agree at all about the cluncky part, this is one of the most "what you see is what you get" combat in MMOs. The inconsistent dodging is somehow true, but has been improbed in that last patch... yeah, there are good things in that patch too.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- Extremely poorly designed quests.
Depends on what you mean by poorly designed. I found the main quest line quite good, not on par with ESO or SW:TOR but not utterly bad either. The town board and faction quests are repetitive because, well, that's how they work. The game definitely need a shitton of other side quests at all levels though. I found all the weapon and armor quests quite fun and with a good reward at the end, but then, I don't mind running all over the world, I've done that in all games.
Rank: not a gamebreaker, and already improved.
- Group content tied to the MSQ that high levels can't help low levels with.
What ? How can't high levels not help low levels with MSQ parts ? Please tell me. I've help so many run the lower level dungeons or kill some of the harder quest mobs it's not even funny.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- Economy ruined from countless bugs and dupe exploits.
How can I not agree on this one. And considering the time in alpha and beta, it's hard to undestand. And they also have slow reaction times, a company like Blizzard would have servers shut down, rolled back, and the issue fixed within a day at max.
Rank: gamebreaker, but fixed... for now. Not fixed fast enough though.
- More gold sinks than gold injectors, deflationary economy.
He's sadly right on this one. I don't have any gold problems yet, mostly because I did all available quests including lower level ones which I was progressing, and I also send good amounts of various stuff like ammo on the auction house. But then, I only own small houses, problem seems to be with people who were greedy, bought several big houses, and have problems paying now.
This said, the game definitely needs more income sources. The fishing nerf for instance was a disgrace, instead of banning bots, they punish legit players.
Rank: not a gamebreaker, but very annoying and needs quick improvements.
- Only 100 trading post listings isn't enough.
Disagreed. It stops individuals from flooding the market. And also from using the AH as a storage.
100 is already a LOT !
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- No NPCS yo buy your junk setting a baseline price.
Agreed, that would add a minimum price so some items. Works in all other games.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- Storage management is depressing at end game.
I have no problems, but I took some time to organize it. For instance, all my cooking stuff is in Ebonscale near the max level cooking station there, and nothing else. I agree with him that an unified storage like in all other games would solve a lot of micromanagement though, but I can live without it.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- Low server cap for such a player driven game doesn't scale well.
My server (1900+ before this patch, 1600+ now) is doing well, groups starting all the time, the recruitment channel is flooded, and I'm in a nice community so this is not an issue for me. I can see it as a problem for lower pop servers though.
Rank: not a gamebreaker, needs server merges.
- Crafting system needs the resources and values reworked.
I think the biggest problem is that even high end crafting needs lowest level resources. While I see the initial intend behind that, which is to never make low level areas obsolete, it finally doesn't work that way, and only makes low level resources end being more valuable than high end ones. I would fix this by making every tier only require the tier's resource and the previous tier resource, without every relying on lower level ones. That would require some indepth rework though.
Note that this doesn't affect me much, since I'm gathering all my own stuff and only sell end products on the AH.
Rank: not a gamebreaker for me, I don't sell basic resources, only finished products.
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You get a "flex" title for maxing out any profession.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- Devs butchered the fishing skill rewards.
Totally agreed, as I already said before. They punished the legit players because of cheaters, and that is never a good move. This said, fishing still yelds a ton of valuable materials, both for cooking but also for jewelcrafting.
Rank: Very badly handled problem. Not a gamebreaker.
- Territory wars are broken, game engine can't support it.
I've been in a few wars and invasions and never had a hint of lag, but then maybe I'm lucky and also have good equipment, gigabyte fiber and a strong PC. I'd agree though that people with lower specs should be able to participate without technical issues too.
Rank: not a gamebreaker for me. Can be a problem depending on your computer and connexion I guess.
- The high watermark system is poorly thought out and needs a rework.
Totally agreed. First thing, add an interface where you can see your actual watermark ! And make it universal, or at least one value per armor type and one general for weapons. Or make weapon groups at least (1H, 2H, magic).
Rank: Gamebreaker. Very annoying. Needs a rework.
- High watermark system not tracked by UI.
See previous entry. The guy made two problems where there's only one.
- No point running dungeons until 600 watermark.
Sadly right. Well, yes, there's a major point: fun. But it's not efficient and you'd be wasting your keys. Without the key system, this would not be a problem. Solution: make keys MUCH easier to make.
Rank: end game fun breaker. People are discouraged to run dungeons. That just can't be good for any MMORPG.
- Player housing decoration score makes no sense.
Well, I think the player participation in the area's activities should have some influence on the total score, the idea is not totally bad. But right now it's way to high. What is in the house should be the main source for that score.
Rank: not a gamebreaker, but could deserver a tweak.
- Mob AI is very easy to manipulate, breaks certain parts of the game.
And that's where they majorly failed in this last patch. They tried to compensate for the mob AI being able to be cheated to loot chests by majorly buffing the mobs in the area. That doesn't work. What they should have done is tie mobs to the local containers. If you don't kill the mob(s) near elite chests, you just can't loot them. Problem solved. Instead of that, they broke the game playability for many players, making many quest undoable and many solo content either undoable too or just way too long to be worth the hassle.
Rank: gamebreaker for end game, and poorly handled fix. Needs a rework.
- No easy way to switch between gear sets when it's a big part of endgame.
Ohhh, how much I agree on that one. This game needs a gear set system like WoW. Just switching from combat to fishing gear each time gets old, really. Note that ESO doesn't have that either, but can be compensated by very good addons, something which NW doesn't have at all.
Rank: not a gamebreaker, but that part of the UI needs a major overhaul.
- Trading post lacks search functionality.
Massively improved in last patch, but there's still room for more improvement indeed.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- Transmog only for cash shop cosmetics.
Well, yeah, that's a pity, but also their way to earn money. I still hope for improvements in that matter.
I also hope cash shop cosmetic sets will be able to be dyed someday.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- You stop moving when opening inventory & quest log.
Well, yeah, I'd rather have it not happen, but not really a big deal to me...
Rank: not a gamebreaker at all.
- The community is more toxic than most other MMOs.
Disagreed. That guy must have known WoW barrens chat... or was he too young ?
It's not the best community ever, but I don't see more asshats than in any other MMO. Just turn off global chat.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- No customer support, copy/paste ticket responses.
I only had two contacts with customer support, once it was indeed an automated response for reporting a bot (and the guy was banned, which was all I was asking for), and the second for a problem with a quest where I had an in game GM answer me.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
- A lot of the perks and gems in the game don't work.
Most of that has been fixed in the last patch.
Rank: not a gamebreaker.
Respect, walk
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- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
Respect, walk
Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me?
- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
Saying this game is lacking ABCD and E isn't trolling if it's true. Saying this game is broken, isn't trolling if it's true.
Be honest, there wasn't anyone trolling. It was criticism. There is a difference.
Some people playing and enjoying it at the time could take it, and some could not. It's dishonest to paint this narrative of trolls and knights when it really was just the white knights making mortal enemies of anyone that disliked what they liked...
people are allowed to defend themselves against these types. That's what happened.
They deserve to be laughed at. Iselin and Jean ( who is still here in this thread on his alt account you aren't fooling anyone sir, you haven't posted on that account since 2012 and all your comments are NW-related?) I'm laughing at you:
If we are going to talk ownership.. sure let's talk about it but don't make shit up to fit your narrative, everyone saw what happened.
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imo no more proof is needed. They royally fucked up design wise and it doesnt look like they are done yet.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.