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Korean government tells Apple and Google stores to take down P2E games

bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
in General Gaming
"To combat the proliferation of what it sees as speculative money-making schemes, the GMC has made it all but impossible for P2E game developers to get their work listed on the most popular mobile app stores."

https://cointelegraph.com/news/korean-government-tells-apple-and-google-stores-to-take-down-p2e-games

China, Korea, thoughts?
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    This is the South Korean govt., not the North.
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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Do they allow sports gambling in the app stores?  I think that's the nearest comparable to "pay to earn" games, so it should be regulated in a similar manner.
    KyleranTheDalaiBombaChampie
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,057
    While difficult to put their finger on it, governments are increasingly realizing crypto gaming, P2E and NFT'S seem "off" in some fashion, so are moving to regulate such but in a rather haphazard manner, at least in my view 


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  • OldKingLogOldKingLog Member RarePosts: 601
    Oh happy day! I hope more countries will follow suit.


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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Iselin said:
    This is the South Korean govt., not the North.
    Yeah, strange seeing how closely alligned South Korean Policy has been with China. 
  • AbimorAbimor Member RarePosts: 919
    Iselin said:
    This is the South Korean govt., not the North.
    If it was the north the title would be something like "Game Maker sent to stone labor quarry for making more money in an hour then the rest of the country made in a year"
    bcbullyChampie
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    bcbully said:
    Iselin said:
    This is the South Korean govt., not the North.
    Yeah, strange seeing how closely alligned South Korean Policy has been with China. 
    On the big things that matter, South Korean policy isn't at all similar to China's.  South Korea is not perpetrating an ongoing genocide.  South Korea didn't violate a major treaty to forcibly end democracy in a major city.  South Korea doesn't have AI bots patrolling the Internet looking for anything that looks like criticism of the government so that they can make dissenters disappear.  South Korea doesn't aggressively censor what their own citizens can see of the Internet to the extent of blocking most foreign sites entirely.  South Korea doesn't rely heavily on massive theft of foreign IP as the way to develop their economy.  South Korea isn't constantly threatening to invade, conquer, and annex an neighbor.

    China is guilty of all of those things.  And those all matter a lot more than how they decide to regulate "play to earn" games.
    AmarantharIselinYashaXKyleranlaseritScotolepiTheDalaiBombaeoloeMendeland 3 others.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Abimor said:
    Iselin said:
    This is the South Korean govt., not the North.
    If it was the north the title would be something like "Game Maker sent to stone labor quarry for making more money in an hour then the rest of the country made in a year"
    Nah, in the North, the headline would be about how the player heroically earned money for the government.  He'd only be sent to prison if he lost money.
    Abimor[Deleted User]
  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Quizzical said:
    bcbully said:
    Iselin said:
    This is the South Korean govt., not the North.
    Yeah, strange seeing how closely alligned South Korean Policy has been with China. 
    On the big things that matter, South Korean policy isn't at all similar to China's.  South Korea is not perpetrating an ongoing genocide.  South Korea didn't violate a major treaty to forcibly end democracy in a major city.  South Korea doesn't have AI bots patrolling the Internet looking for anything that looks like criticism of the government so that they can make dissenters disappear.  South Korea doesn't aggressively censor what their own citizens can see of the Internet to the extent of blocking most foreign sites entirely.  South Korea doesn't rely heavily on massive theft of foreign IP as the way to develop their economy.  South Korea isn't constantly threatening to invade, conquer, and annex an neighbor.

    China is guilty of all of those things.  And those all matter a lot more than how they decide to regulate "play to earn" games.
    Why do you think they are doing it? Do you think they are doing it to protect their citizens? That's why China said they did it.
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  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 8,177
    They have games like Archeage and Black Desert and you can make real money purchases in those games to help you upgrade your gear and considering the large amounts of money that can be spent trying to upgrade your gear it seems rather a farce to prevent prize rewards that exceeds 10,000 KRW. Never can understand government policies that look the other way while children play and spend ridiculous amounts of money and then you talk about regulating prizes. Policy seems ass backwards.
    bcbully[Deleted User]

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    bcbully said:
    Quizzical said:
    bcbully said:
    Iselin said:
    This is the South Korean govt., not the North.
    Yeah, strange seeing how closely alligned South Korean Policy has been with China. 
    On the big things that matter, South Korean policy isn't at all similar to China's.  South Korea is not perpetrating an ongoing genocide.  South Korea didn't violate a major treaty to forcibly end democracy in a major city.  South Korea doesn't have AI bots patrolling the Internet looking for anything that looks like criticism of the government so that they can make dissenters disappear.  South Korea doesn't aggressively censor what their own citizens can see of the Internet to the extent of blocking most foreign sites entirely.  South Korea doesn't rely heavily on massive theft of foreign IP as the way to develop their economy.  South Korea isn't constantly threatening to invade, conquer, and annex an neighbor.

    China is guilty of all of those things.  And those all matter a lot more than how they decide to regulate "play to earn" games.
    Why do you think they are doing it? Do you think they are doing it to protect their citizens? That's why China said they did it.
    Because every government of every stripe regulates what they feel needs to be regulated. That doesn't automatically make you a totalitarian state. And in this case, I say good for them for attepting to stop gaming scams.
    bcbullyYashaXChampie
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    ― Umberto Eco

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    ― CD PROJEKT RED

  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
    kitarad said:
    They have games like Archeage and Black Desert and you can make real money purchases in those games to help you upgrade your gear and considering the large amounts of money that can be spent trying to upgrade your gear it seems rather a farce to prevent prize rewards that exceeds 10,000 KRW. Never can understand government policies that look the other way while children play and spend ridiculous amounts of money and then you talk about regulating prizes. Policy seems ass backwards.
    I think the question is whether the prize can be turned into real money.
    [Deleted User]
     
  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
    bcbully said:
    Why do you think they are doing it? Do you think they are doing it to protect their citizens? That's why China said they did it.
    If real money prizes are against South Korean law then they're doing it simply because they must treat all games equally. Governments are not in the habit of evaluating whether some game is allowed to break law and giving out exceptions, nor should they operate that way.
     
  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    edited December 2021
    Vrika said:
    bcbully said:
    Why do you think they are doing it? Do you think they are doing it to protect their citizens? That's why China said they did it.
    If real money prizes are against South Korean law then they're doing it simply because they must treat all games equally. Governments are not in the habit of evaluating whether some game is allowed to break law and giving out exceptions, nor should they operate that way.
    They aren't against the law though. Do you think they should be? If so why?
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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
    bcbully said:
    Vrika said:
    bcbully said:
    Why do you think they are doing it? Do you think they are doing it to protect their citizens? That's why China said they did it.
    If real money prizes are against South Korean law then they're doing it simply because they must treat all games equally. Governments are not in the habit of evaluating whether some game is allowed to break law and giving out exceptions, nor should they operate that way.
    They aren't against the law though. Do you think they should be? If so why?
    The article you linked tells that the problem with law is:
       "Prizes earned from gaming in South Korea cannot exceed 10,000 KRW ($8.42) at a time"
    [Deleted User]
     
  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    edited December 2021
    Vrika said:
    bcbully said:
    Vrika said:
    bcbully said:
    Why do you think they are doing it? Do you think they are doing it to protect their citizens? That's why China said they did it.
    If real money prizes are against South Korean law then they're doing it simply because they must treat all games equally. Governments are not in the habit of evaluating whether some game is allowed to break law and giving out exceptions, nor should they operate that way.
    They aren't against the law though. Do you think they should be? If so why?
    The article you linked tells that the problem with law is:
       "Prizes earned from gaming in South Korea cannot exceed 10,000 KRW ($8.42) at a time"
    Right, real prize money is not against the law. Why do you think it should be?
    [Deleted User]
  • vegetableoilvegetableoil Member RarePosts: 768
    Vrika said:
    kitarad said:
    They have games like Archeage and Black Desert and you can make real money purchases in those games to help you upgrade your gear and considering the large amounts of money that can be spent trying to upgrade your gear it seems rather a farce to prevent prize rewards that exceeds 10,000 KRW. Never can understand government policies that look the other way while children play and spend ridiculous amounts of money and then you talk about regulating prizes. Policy seems ass backwards.
    I think the question is whether the prize can be turned into real money.
    I think the government wants to prevent some form of money laundering and probably wait for a law that regulates it so that people can't escape paying their taxes. Most governments will move against pay to earn because of that reason. If they don't know how much you earn then how can they tax you?
    KylerankitaradScot
  • AmarantharAmaranthar Member EpicPosts: 5,852
    The article says:
    "To combat the proliferation of what it sees as speculative money-making schemes,"

    It also says: 
    "P2E gaming has become popular in the cryptocurrency industry. Gamers typically must first purchase game pieces as nonfungible tokens (NFT) in order to play the game and receive in-game rewards."

    I think their vision is clear, and I'm glad they are taking action. 

    As many posters here have pointed out, most people end up losing money on this stuff. Only the few actually do that. The rest just get suckered in. 
    KyleranKidRiskMMOExposed

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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,423
    vegetableoil said:
    Vrika said:
    kitarad said:
    They have games like Archeage and Black Desert and you can make real money purchases in those games to help you upgrade your gear and considering the large amounts of money that can be spent trying to upgrade your gear it seems rather a farce to prevent prize rewards that exceeds 10,000 KRW. Never can understand government policies that look the other way while children play and spend ridiculous amounts of money and then you talk about regulating prizes. Policy seems ass backwards.
    I think the question is whether the prize can be turned into real money.
    I think the government wants to prevent some form of money laundering and probably wait for a law that regulates it so that people can't escape paying their taxes. Most governments will move against pay to earn because of that reason. If they don't know how much you earn then how can they tax you?
    If only they could tax that money laundering like P2E games tax trade, win win. ;)
    Kyleran
  • DigDuggyDigDuggy Member RarePosts: 694
    Quizzical said:
    Do they allow sports gambling in the app stores?  I think that's the nearest comparable to "pay to earn" games, so it should be regulated in a similar manner.
    The Koreans are pretty strict with gambling.  When I was stationed there, a friend ? would go to a hotel to play a bit of blackjack.  The only way a Korean was allowed to go in was with a passport.

    I don't know if it relates, but that could be why.  If they put it in a gambling bucket, they might be concerned.  That's all assuming they have a handle on internet gambling.  They could probably ask their neighbors to the north on tips about that.
    QuizzicalAbimor
  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Amaranthar said:
    The article says:
    "To combat the proliferation of what it sees as speculative money-making schemes,"

    It also says: 
    "P2E gaming has become popular in the cryptocurrency industry. Gamers typically must first purchase game pieces as nonfungible tokens (NFT) in order to play the game and receive in-game rewards."

    I think their vision is clear, and I'm glad they are taking action. 

    As many posters here have pointed out, most people end up losing money on this stuff. Only the few actually do that. The rest just get suckered in. 
    So you think they are doing it to protect their citizens like china.
    KidRisk
  • DigDuggyDigDuggy Member RarePosts: 694
    bcbully said:
    Amaranthar said:
    The article says:
    "To combat the proliferation of what it sees as speculative money-making schemes,"

    It also says: 
    "P2E gaming has become popular in the cryptocurrency industry. Gamers typically must first purchase game pieces as nonfungible tokens (NFT) in order to play the game and receive in-game rewards."

    I think their vision is clear, and I'm glad they are taking action. 

    As many posters here have pointed out, most people end up losing money on this stuff. Only the few actually do that. The rest just get suckered in. 
    So you think they are doing it to protect their citizens like china.
    Korea is absolutely nothing like China.  However, far east ideas are not necessarily like ours.  Doesn't make it bad.
    YashaXQuizzicalKidRisk
  • AmarantharAmaranthar Member EpicPosts: 5,852
    bcbully said:
    Amaranthar said:
    The article says:
    "To combat the proliferation of what it sees as speculative money-making schemes,"

    It also says: 
    "P2E gaming has become popular in the cryptocurrency industry. Gamers typically must first purchase game pieces as nonfungible tokens (NFT) in order to play the game and receive in-game rewards."

    I think their vision is clear, and I'm glad they are taking action. 

    As many posters here have pointed out, most people end up losing money on this stuff. Only the few actually do that. The rest just get suckered in. 
    So you think they are doing it to protect their citizens like china.
    I'm not sure what China's motives are. 

    YashaX

    Once upon a time....

  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
    bcbully said:
    Vrika said:
    bcbully said:
    Vrika said:
    bcbully said:
    Why do you think they are doing it? Do you think they are doing it to protect their citizens? That's why China said they did it.
    If real money prizes are against South Korean law then they're doing it simply because they must treat all games equally. Governments are not in the habit of evaluating whether some game is allowed to break law and giving out exceptions, nor should they operate that way.
    They aren't against the law though. Do you think they should be? If so why?
    The article you linked tells that the problem with law is:
       "Prizes earned from gaming in South Korea cannot exceed 10,000 KRW ($8.42) at a time"
    Right, real prize money is not against the law. Why do you think it should be?
    It says real prize money that exceeds 10 000 KRW at a time is against the law.
     
  • Jamar870Jamar870 Member UncommonPosts: 573
    I think bcbully is worried it might become a trend that will spread to the rest of the world, which I think would be a good thing.

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