ISO: MMORPGs for small 3-6 person guilds.

LynxJSA

Looking for an MMO I can play with my kids where there is viable endgame content for small clans/guilds. EVE Online didn't have enough moment to moment gameplay, we're kinda done with GW2, they found EQ2 fun ( a LOT of goals one can set) but grindy, and New World got really old really fast for all of us. 

What are some MMOs that are good for small guilds of 3-6 players?

Scorchien

LOTRO, WOW,SWL,Rift,FF14,EQ2,SWTOR,STO,ESO, all of these and more are set up for small guild success

Mendel

Good question.  I'm not entirely sure that there are good choices for a guild of 3-6 players.

Most MMORPGs set their endgame for raids.  It started with a raid size of 60+, and has eroded to a more manageable size of 18-24.  Less management, less overhead, less headaches.  (Also, less development and less support for the developers).

Your best bet with only 3-6 players is going to be a group based game with loads of content.  You are probably going to need to be satisfied playing in existing games like EQ1/EQ2/WoW/LotRO/etc., but never really getting to the end-game.  It can be quite fun, especially if your group likes quests and the journey.  That's not going to work as well if you're mindset is 'beating' the game.

You could also look into private servers for some games like Conan Exiles, and play with your group, in either co-op PvE or PvP.  The private servers prevent random jerks from coming along and destroying all your hard work while you're offline.

LynxJSA

Scorchien said:

LOTRO, WOW,SWL,Rift,FF14,EQ2,SWTOR,STO,ESO, all of these and more are set up for small guild success

Froma quick googling...

FFXIV - Raids are duties that require a full party of 8 people 

Rift - Raids are instanced areas designed for groups of 10 or 20 players 

LOTRO - The word “raid” has several meanings. In this context, it is a dungeon that is designed for either 12 or 24 players. 

WOW - Raid groups are a way to have parties of more than 5 and up to 30 (usually 10 or 25 on later raids; 40 for some old raids)

SWTOR - How many people can raid in SWTOR? They can be run in 8 or 16 player mode.

ESO - Adventure zones will be released after launch. They're like normal zones, apparently, but tuned for 4 player groups

Looks like we might check out ESO.  I'll write the rest of those off to you just being bad at math. 

LynxJSA

Mendel said:

Your best bet with only 3-6 players is going to be a group based game with loads of content.  You are probably going to need to be satisfied playing in existing games like EQ1/EQ2/WoW/LotRO/etc., but never really getting to the end-game.  It can be quite fun, especially if your group likes quests and the journey.  That's not going to work as well if you're mindset is 'beating' the game.

You could also look into private servers for some games like Conan Exiles, and play with your group, in either co-op PvE or PvP.  The private servers prevent random jerks from coming along and destroying all your hard work while you're offline.

You might be right. I'll see if I can get them to check out EQ2 again. The Private Servers idea might be a good direction, too. Most of the Asheron's Call quests can be done in small groups, so I think that's something I'll look into. Thanks! 

Kyleran

Try something different, FO76?

Scorchien

LynxJSA said:

Scorchien said:

LOTRO, WOW,SWL,Rift,FF14,EQ2,SWTOR,STO,ESO, all of these and more are set up for small guild success

Froma quick googling...

FFXIV - Raids are duties that require a full party of 8 people 

Rift - Raids are instanced areas designed for groups of 10 or 20 players 

LOTRO - The word “raid” has several meanings. In this context, it is a dungeon that is designed for either 12 or 24 players. 

WOW - Raid groups are a way to have parties of more than 5 and up to 30 (usually 10 or 25 on later raids; 40 for some old raids)

SWTOR - How many people can raid in SWTOR? They can be run in 8 or 16 player mode.

ESO - Adventure zones will be released after launch. They're like normal zones, apparently, but tuned for 4 player groups

Looks like we might check out ESO.  I'll write the rest of those off to you just being bad at math. 

you did not ask for Raiding you asked for Viable End Game Content for a small group(2 very different things) , which all those provide ..

 You are just bad at actually articulating what you want and expecting mind readers..

 

  Say what you mean do not mean what you say ..

 For ex .. Im looking for a game for 3-6 people for endgame Raiding ..

  Answer " you are shit out of luck"

  But you asked for ..."Looking for an MMO I can play with my kids where there is viable endgame content for small clans/guilds.What are some MMOs that are good for small guilds of 3-6 players?"

 which the examples i gave deliver ..

Iselin

LynxJSA said:

ESO - Adventure zones will be released after launch. They're like normal zones, apparently, but tuned for 4 player groups

Looks like we might check out ESO.  I'll write the rest of those off to you just being bad at math. 

That's ancient info, like 8 years old

One such zone was released in 2015, Craglorn, and it has gone through some changes but still has a mix of solo and group friendly areas there with a handy-dandy broadcast message you get that says "you're now entering(/exiting) a group area."

The whole world is level scaled but Craglorn's difficulty for open world zones is still q bit more than all the other zones.

It IS a very 3-6 person group friendly game with all the dungeons which come in normal and vet versions, being 4 player runs, several arenas for 4, PvP BGs with 4 per side, etc. Even most world bosses can be done with 3-6 players fairly easily.

It's only the "Trials" (what ESO calls raids) and world PvP in the one zone made for that, Cyrodiil, that put you in larger groups.

The game has a metric shit-ton of content. Enough to keep you busy for literally years if you have never played before.

Kyleran

LynxJSA said:

Scorchien said:

LOTRO, WOW,SWL,Rift,FF14,EQ2,SWTOR,STO,ESO, all of these and more are set up for small guild success

Froma quick googling...

FFXIV - Raids are duties that require a full party of 8 people 

Rift - Raids are instanced areas designed for groups of 10 or 20 players 

LOTRO - The word “raid” has several meanings. In this context, it is a dungeon that is designed for either 12 or 24 players. 

WOW - Raid groups are a way to have parties of more than 5 and up to 30 (usually 10 or 25 on later raids; 40 for some old raids)

SWTOR - How many people can raid in SWTOR? They can be run in 8 or 16 player mode.

ESO - Adventure zones will be released after launch. They're like normal zones, apparently, but tuned for 4 player groups

Looks like we might check out ESO.  I'll write the rest of those off to you just being bad at math. 

While ESO's Trials are for 12 players, the game has a ton of 4 person dungeons which have a normal and hardmode, some of which (from the DLC's) can be very challenging in hardmode, at least until your group gets geared up, skilled up,  and learn the fights.

There is Craiglorn, an "adventure" zone aimed at groups of 4 or more, though with a good build much of the content can be done with less or even solo.

So ESO is a good choice but your family is going to want to learn to parse, (or spell weave) especially if they favor DPS, not everyone's cup of tea.

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/10nITf8WWgq03cSDgNWyT8rVYnlT-xzb1-5hCvZuUou4/mobilebasic

LynxJSA

Kyleran said:

Try something different, FO76?

The kids found that boring, but we played when it first came out. It's been a while so will give that a try again. Forgot it even still existed. *adds another one to the list*  Thank you! 

LynxJSA

Iselin said:

It IS a very 3-6 person group friendly game with all the dungeons which come in normal and vet versions, being 4 player runs, several arenas for 4, PvP BGs with 4 per side, etc. Even most world bosses can be done with 3-6 players fairly easily.

It's only the "Trials" (what ESO calls raids) and world PvP in the one zone made for that, Cyrodiil, that put you in larger groups.

The game has a metric shit-ton of content. Enough to keep you busy for literally years if you have never played before.

Going to install FO76 (Kyleran) and ESO on the machines today and see which they all decide on. 


When out of the loop, it's really hard to figure out what info is current or not, so I appreciate the replies. TY, all for the info! 

LynxJSA

tzervo said:

Especially given the GW2 example which also has 10-man raids ..

I don't remember raids being in GW2 and we played that for almost 2 years. 

LynxJSA

tzervo said:

LynxJSA said:

tzervo said:

Especially given the GW2 example which also has 10-man raids ..

I don't remember raids being in GW2 and we played that for almost 2 years. 

They added them with Heart of Thorns in 2016.

Interesting. Thanks for the info! Hopefully that clarifies your "Especially given..." ponderings. 

Kyleran

LynxJSA said:

Iselin said:

It IS a very 3-6 person group friendly game with all the dungeons which come in normal and vet versions, being 4 player runs, several arenas for 4, PvP BGs with 4 per side, etc. Even most world bosses can be done with 3-6 players fairly easily.

It's only the "Trials" (what ESO calls raids) and world PvP in the one zone made for that, Cyrodiil, that put you in larger groups.

The game has a metric shit-ton of content. Enough to keep you busy for literally years if you have never played before.

Going to install FO76 (Kyleran) and ESO on the machines today and see which they all decide on. 


When out of the loop, it's really hard to figure out what info is current or not, so I appreciate the replies. TY, all for the info! 

It was pretty boring at launch, but it's changed quite a bit since then.  Since you already own it all of the updates outside of cosmetics and custom private instances are free.

I stopped after a couple of months at launch, but played it for 18 months (exclusively) when I returned about a year later.

One of few games I ever enjoyed building in, the camps have phenomenal flexibility and now you can build 3, per account for free.

Lots of QOL improvements including Perk Card manager, excercise equipment to buff stats, and legendary gear system.

I think you'll enjoy it now.

Adamantine

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cheyane

City of Heroes on Homecoming servers. You can adjust the missions to the team size you want. Kick it up or down the difficulty. Then you can do task force too. Only thing you may not be able to do are the area monsters. The ones that require a lot of people but everything else is doable with 3-6 people.

Utinni

CoH Homecoming (as mentioned above) or SWG Legends server. Both endgames are based on small group content with multiple roles and cool character progression. Both also have group/guild housing options for you guys to build and hang out in!

LynxJSA

I had forgotten about CoH. That would be a nice alternative to the fantasy stuff. Adding that to the list. Thanks, @cheyane and @Utinni !

cheyane

LynxJSA said:

I had forgotten about CoH. That would be a nice alternative to the fantasy stuff. Adding that to the list. Thanks, @cheyane and @Utinni !

Wonderful I hope to see you on Homecoming.