Final Fantasy VII REBIRTH Announced, REMAKE Coming To Steam

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Dattelis

I'm a sucker for Zack

Aeander

I loved FF7 Remake. It was the first time I genuinely enjoyed a FF game. I am stoked to play more, and I certainly hope Crisis Core lives up.

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LTBK

I have plenty of games to keep me occupied, and I don't want to support certain practices, so I'll consider buying it once the trilogy is complete and they release the inevitable "complete pack". That's assuming that the "re-imagining" doesn't definitely end up turning what was a good game (1997) intro trash similar to the last main single player FF titles.

About Crisis Core's remake, I'll wait for reviews on that one. The original's story is perfect, and if they change that too (which is highly likely if they want to make it fit in the trilogy) it'll be a hard pass.

hupa

"In time, I hope to reveal what the third title will be called, and where this journey will ultimately lead."

He hopes? Is there a possibility that the third installment won't be made or am I reading too much into that part?

Dattelis

hupa said:

"In time, I hope to reveal what the third title will be called, and where this journey will ultimately lead."



He hopes? Is there a possibility that the third installment won't be made or am I reading too much into that part?

the "where this journey will ultimately lead" does sound concerning since it ultimately supposed to be a remake.....if they change the ending or something, that might not be good.

Aeander

DarkZorvanReturns said:

I don't buy incomplete games.

Fair, but I don't see it as incomplete. Let's say for argument that they remake the Lord of the Rings films, and do a really good job of them. But instead of one movie per book, they do two. Each one is full length with more content, perhaps even new original content. Does that make the movies incomplete? No, not really. They're all full length films.

Same thing here. These are full length games. They're individually as good as or better than most JRPGs. Together, they'll probably provide an experience on par with or greater than the original. Doesn't sound incomplete to me.

Scot

Aeander said:

DarkZorvanReturns said:

I don't buy incomplete games.

Fair, but I don't see it as incomplete. Let's say for argument that they remake the Lord of the Rings films, and do a really good job of them. But instead of one movie per book, they do two. Each one is full length with more content, perhaps even new original content. Does that make the movies incomplete? No, not really. They're all full length films.

Same thing here. These are full length games. They're individually as good as or better than most JRPGs. Together, they'll probably provide an experience on par with or greater than the original. Doesn't sound incomplete to me.

Just depends on how much we get and how good each game is, but I do avoid games with chapters until all the chapters are finished. I don't think that's the same idea here though, each should be a standalone.

Asturios

Aeander said:

DarkZorvanReturns said:

I don't buy incomplete games.

Fair, but I don't see it as incomplete. Let's say for argument that they remake the Lord of the Rings films, and do a really good job of them. But instead of one movie per book, they do two. Each one is full length with more content, perhaps even new original content. Does that make the movies incomplete? No, not really. They're all full length films.

Same thing here. These are full length games. They're individually as good as or better than most JRPGs. Together, they'll probably provide an experience on par with or greater than the original. Doesn't sound incomplete to me.

The First Remake was awesome and for an how ppl call it "incomplete" game it had more to offer then many other COMPLETE Games nowadays XD

Vagabondo

I love FFVII and all of its spinoffs.

At least the ones i´ve played and seen. Still need to play the first part of this triology series, i am sure i will enjoy it once bought.

Since i havent played it on the ps4 i worry that the bad pc port will destroy my experience...
...hope not.

jayheld90

Aori said:

Haven't played it yet, I never liked FF7, never finished. My partner was going to play the remake but a lot of people told her it wasn't worth it. So unsure if we'll ever pick it up. On the fence.

How is it not worth it? As far as Final Fantasy games go, it is probably my favorite. It's actually a lot of fun, and you're missing out.

jayheld90

Asturios said:

Aeander said:

DarkZorvanReturns said:

I don't buy incomplete games.

Fair, but I don't see it as incomplete. Let's say for argument that they remake the Lord of the Rings films, and do a really good job of them. But instead of one movie per book, they do two. Each one is full length with more content, perhaps even new original content. Does that make the movies incomplete? No, not really. They're all full length films.

Same thing here. These are full length games. They're individually as good as or better than most JRPGs. Together, they'll probably provide an experience on par with or greater than the original. Doesn't sound incomplete to me.

The First Remake was awesome and for an how ppl call it "incomplete" game it had more to offer then many other COMPLETE Games nowadays XD

Exactly what I was thinking when I saw his comment. It's pretty much a complete game, and they should have said it's a Trilogy of games, rather than a 3 part game. Just because the next one continues the story, doesn't mean the game wasn't complete.

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finefluff

DarkZorvanReturns said:

Aeander said:

DarkZorvanReturns said:

I don't buy incomplete games.

Fair, but I don't see it as incomplete. Let's say for argument that they remake the Lord of the Rings films, and do a really good job of them. But instead of one movie per book, they do two. Each one is full length with more content, perhaps even new original content. Does that make the movies incomplete? No, not really. They're all full length films.

Same thing here. These are full length games. They're individually as good as or better than most JRPGs. Together, they'll probably provide an experience on par with or greater than the original. Doesn't sound incomplete to me.

Except I already own a complete FFVII that has all of its original content and characters intact. So buying an in fact incomplete ( FFVII already exists, so I already know what a complete FFVII looks like to judge) game, for what amounts to a graphics upgrade as well as content changes, just ain't happening.

It takes as long to beat remake as it does the entirety of the original, so they are about equal I’d say.

Herithius

I'm surprised how many fans are okay with the fact that Sony is sort of milking it's fanbase by turning this one game into 3. I mean.... they can make Final Fantasy 16 as a standalone title but Final Fantasy 7 remake can't?

Personally, if they announced the KOTOR remake will now be released in instalments at 2024, 2027 and 2030 at 3x the price I can't stay I'd be cheering......

LackingMMO

I know some people are against splitting it up because of monetization and all that. However, if the 2nd is as good as part 1 then I'm all for 2 more of those quality games. I do have my concerns for sure, first and foremost I want them to stay true to the story but understand expanding it in this way will lengthen and add to certain parts which I'm ok with just don't change the story itself. Also, I'm concerned that we will not have part 3 until 2027 lol.

Dattelis

Aeander said:

DarkZorvanReturns said:

I don't buy incomplete games.

Fair, but I don't see it as incomplete. Let's say for argument that they remake the Lord of the Rings films, and do a really good job of them. But instead of one movie per book, they do two. Each one is full length with more content, perhaps even new original content. Does that make the movies incomplete? No, not really. They're all full length films.

Same thing here. These are full length games. They're individually as good as or better than most JRPGs. Together, they'll probably provide an experience on par with or greater than the original. Doesn't sound incomplete to me.

This is probably the best way to look at this remake. When you think about it, most marvel and dc movies/shows/etc are probably just remakes over and over and over again. Might be slightly different orders of events at times but usually the results are the same when they face off against certain villains. Of course those are movies and these are games we're talking about, but I think this has a lot of potential, especially since FF9 is supposedly getting a Remake in the future as well. Its just kind of like modernizing these games to fit a different audience. Of course no one is forcing people to buy these games, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be made. Plus, like you said, these remakes can do things like flesh out certain characters and events more and I'm sure people who played old FF7 wish there were certain events that were fleshed out a bit more. Not to spoil things but I can think of a certain town later on in old 7 (I think it was disc 2?) that I'd love to go through in modern graphics.

Neoyoshi

Dattelis said:

hupa said:

"In time, I hope to reveal what the third title will be called, and where this journey will ultimately lead."





He hopes? Is there a possibility that the third installment won't be made or am I reading too much into that part?

the "where this journey will ultimately lead" does sound concerning since it ultimately supposed to be a remake.....if they change the ending or something, that might not be good.

It's supposed to be a reimagining or pseudo-sequel, rather then a frame-by-frame remake of the OG ff7.

It can also be said that the Remake project as a whole could very well be a much clearer picture of the story they originally wanted to tell, but couldn't at the time due to obvious limitations.

Dattelis

Neoyoshi said:

Dattelis said:

hupa said:

"In time, I hope to reveal what the third title will be called, and where this journey will ultimately lead."





He hopes? Is there a possibility that the third installment won't be made or am I reading too much into that part?

the "where this journey will ultimately lead" does sound concerning since it ultimately supposed to be a remake.....if they change the ending or something, that might not be good.

It's supposed to be a reimagining or pseudo-sequel, rather then a frame-by-frame remake of the OG ff7.

It can also be said that the Remake project as a whole could very well be a much clearer picture of the story they originally wanted to tell, but couldn't at the time due to obvious limitations.

I can understand them doing that to some parts in the middle, but I highly doubt they'll change the end result. FF7 is arguably their most favored title in the franchise. I mean even if they keep a particular character alive when they are supposed to die or vice verse, it could cause a pretty big backlash. But the more sound reason I believe they wont deviate too much from the original game in terms of story is because they admitted themselves that it took so long to even decide to work on the remake was because of how people would perceive it done.

Vrika

Herithius said:

I'm surprised how many fans are okay with the fact that Sony is sort of milking it's fanbase by turning this one game into 3. I mean.... they can make Final Fantasy 16 as a standalone title but Final Fantasy 7 remake can't?

Personally, if they announced the KOTOR remake will now be released in instalments at 2024, 2027 and 2030 at 3x the price I can't stay I'd be cheering......

Most people are ok with trilogies: Whether it's Lord of The Rings movies or Final Fantasy 7, we judge whether those parts are good instead of having some kind of hatred against multi-part stories.

Scot

Vrika said:

Herithius said:

I'm surprised how many fans are okay with the fact that Sony is sort of milking it's fanbase by turning this one game into 3. I mean.... they can make Final Fantasy 16 as a standalone title but Final Fantasy 7 remake can't?

Personally, if they announced the KOTOR remake will now be released in instalments at 2024, 2027 and 2030 at 3x the price I can't stay I'd be cheering......

Most people are ok with trilogies: Whether it's Lord of The Rings movies or Final Fantasy 7, we judge whether those parts are good instead of having some kind of hatred against multi-part stories.

But if we are talking a "point and click adventure" or something similar that comes in 14 chapters then I wait until they all launch before I buy. That's quite different to whats happening here.

Asm0deus

Scot said:

Aeander said:

DarkZorvanReturns said:

I don't buy incomplete games.

Fair, but I don't see it as incomplete. Let's say for argument that they remake the Lord of the Rings films, and do a really good job of them. But instead of one movie per book, they do two. Each one is full length with more content, perhaps even new original content. Does that make the movies incomplete? No, not really. They're all full length films.

Same thing here. These are full length games. They're individually as good as or better than most JRPGs. Together, they'll probably provide an experience on par with or greater than the original. Doesn't sound incomplete to me.

Just depends on how much we get and how good each game is, but I do avoid games with chapters until all the chapters are finished. I don't think that's the same idea here though, each should be a standalone.

It's incomplete in that the story is not fully covered, the original had a beginning, middle and end where as the remake is like the first act only isn't it.

That's how I read DarkZorvanReturns statement anyways.

I am a big FF at least the old games and I haven't bought or played this because the game, story wise, is incomplete.

I really don't care if there is lots of content and enough extra stuff that people can argue it's "complete"  ...fact is the story is incomplete.  I am not interested in playing like act 1 then waiting a couple years for act 2 etc etc

I will take a look when it's all done and play it all from beginning to end.

cameltosis

I'll be honest, I still don't know what to make about these remakes.

FF7 remains my favourite in the series so I was extremely excited when they announced the remakes. But, they seem to have changed so much from the original that I have no idea if I'll like it or not. I didn't enjoy 15, 13 or 10, and 12 was a bit meh too. So, the franchise has gone in the wrong direction for me, which makes me think I won't enjoy the remakes. Biggest concern for me is definitely the combat, it looks horrible in the remakes!

My plan is just to wait until they've finished remaking FF7 and then assess the new series. I never really enjoyed Midgar in FF7 so the thought of spending 30+hours in that place for the remake doesn't sit well. I'm certainly not gonna pay full price for that. But as the remakes leave the linearity of midgar, I'm hoping they become more open worldy.

finefluff

Asm0deus said:

Scot said:

Aeander said:

DarkZorvanReturns said:

I don't buy incomplete games.

Fair, but I don't see it as incomplete. Let's say for argument that they remake the Lord of the Rings films, and do a really good job of them. But instead of one movie per book, they do two. Each one is full length with more content, perhaps even new original content. Does that make the movies incomplete? No, not really. They're all full length films.

Same thing here. These are full length games. They're individually as good as or better than most JRPGs. Together, they'll probably provide an experience on par with or greater than the original. Doesn't sound incomplete to me.

Just depends on how much we get and how good each game is, but I do avoid games with chapters until all the chapters are finished. I don't think that's the same idea here though, each should be a standalone.

It's incomplete in that the story is not fully covered, the original had a beginning, middle and end where as the remake is like the first act only isn't it.

That's how I read DarkZorvanReturns statement anyways.

I am a big FF at least the old games and I haven't bought or played this because the game, story wise, is incomplete.

I really don't care if there is lots of content and enough extra stuff that people can argue it's "complete"  ...fact is the story is incomplete.  I am not interested in playing like act 1 then waiting a couple years for act 2 etc etc

I will take a look when it's all done and play it all from beginning to end.

Nothing wrong with taking that approach to wait until all parts are released. I basically did that with Game of Thrones and binged all the seasons. I think the argument is more about whether this is considered milking the fans or not. I disagree with that sentiment in this case because the remake has a lot of meat to it. I can see that when all three parts are released the "complete" game is going to be about two to three times as long as the original. Because it's so much bigger, it takes longer to develop. For them to spend the time and resources to develop the game as big as its going to end up being and then to release it as a single $60 release probably wouldn't have the ROI to make it worth doing.

I think that if this was the first time ff7 was being released, people would feel differently. People don't mind that there is Last of Us Part 2 or God of War Ragnarok. Maybe if they knew there would be sequels before hand, they would wait. There is some risk involved for the developer as well. If the first part doesn't sell that well, then the subsequent parts would get axed, so releasing in parts is also a way to mitigate risk. There's also lessons the developer can learn from the first part to improve subsequent parts.

Scot

finefluff said:

Asm0deus said:

Scot said:

Aeander said:

DarkZorvanReturns said:

I don't buy incomplete games.

Fair, but I don't see it as incomplete. Let's say for argument that they remake the Lord of the Rings films, and do a really good job of them. But instead of one movie per book, they do two. Each one is full length with more content, perhaps even new original content. Does that make the movies incomplete? No, not really. They're all full length films.

Same thing here. These are full length games. They're individually as good as or better than most JRPGs. Together, they'll probably provide an experience on par with or greater than the original. Doesn't sound incomplete to me.

Just depends on how much we get and how good each game is, but I do avoid games with chapters until all the chapters are finished. I don't think that's the same idea here though, each should be a standalone.

It's incomplete in that the story is not fully covered, the original had a beginning, middle and end where as the remake is like the first act only isn't it.

That's how I read DarkZorvanReturns statement anyways.

I am a big FF at least the old games and I haven't bought or played this because the game, story wise, is incomplete.

I really don't care if there is lots of content and enough extra stuff that people can argue it's "complete"  ...fact is the story is incomplete.  I am not interested in playing like act 1 then waiting a couple years for act 2 etc etc

I will take a look when it's all done and play it all from beginning to end.

Nothing wrong with taking that approach to wait until all parts are released. I basically did that with Game of Thrones and binged all the seasons. I think the argument is more about whether this is considered milking the fans or not. I disagree with that sentiment in this case because the remake has a lot of meat to it. I can see that when all three parts are released the "complete" game is going to be about two to three times as long as the original. Because it's so much bigger, it takes longer to develop. For them to spend the time and resources to develop the game as big as its going to end up being and then to release it as a single $60 release probably wouldn't have the ROI to make it worth doing.

I think that if this was the first time ff7 was being released, people would feel differently. People don't mind that there is Last of Us Part 2 or God of War Ragnarok. Maybe if they knew there would be sequels before hand, they would wait. There is some risk involved for the developer as well. If the first part doesn't sell that well, then the subsequent parts would get axed, so releasing in parts is also a way to mitigate risk. There's also lessons the developer can learn from the first part to improve subsequent parts.

You are making me think now, should I wait till all three(?) games are out telling a complete story? I don't want to wait years between stories myself. But the problem there is that even if I got all three at once I would not play them all sequentially. I like to have a year between each playing of a franchise, so back to having years between them. Gaming is a mentally torturing hobby sometimes.