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Why there isn't a current sandbox MMO that's... good?

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  • Branko2307Branko2307 Member UncommonPosts: 346
    Kyleran said:
    eoloe said:
    eoloe said:
    NFTs arent necessarily the future of gaming, just a current trend to try and make money.

    Imo NFTs are the future of MMOs, people just cant see it yet. Imo real money trading in mmos should be allowed and NFTs is the perfect way for companies of those MMOs to get a % cut of those transactions...i cant wait to see first AAA mmo with NFT RMTrading.

    Yes. We are so blind that we are really unable to see how they transform games into jobs and pretend everything is ok, it is for the players and not for their cut........... so they say............

    It is just an awesome idea..... So, when you lose progress, you actually lose money which makes gamers a lot happier for sure.

    Cannot wait.

    Please shoot me first.



    Calm down buddy take a breath, if you dont like something dont try to ruin it for others, who said you can lose any progress? ur just finding imaginary things to bitch about. Transform games into Jobs lol, even tho it is not allowed real money trading is being done right now in every single mmo you can imagine, just coz its not allowed doesnt mean its not happening, maybe think about what ur writing before posting it...

    We all know these arguments and this rhetoric. You just don't get mine. Whatever, enjoy your NFTs..........

    To go back on topic, there is EVE and Albion.
    Unfortunately for me, the space thing is not for me, and I don't like albion's DA even if I have to admit they do have interesting game mechanics.........

    BDO could have been it, but they gutted this part a long time ago..
    How does that proverb go?

    There are none so blind as those who will not see.

    or my Mom's personal favorite,

    You can lead a horse to water but you can't make em drink.

    Wise men talk because they have something to say, fools talk because they have to say something.

    Want me to explain why ur the latter? let me know.
    SensaiKyleranAlBQuirky

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    Holy Flamin' Frost-Brand Gronk-Slayin' Vorpal Hammer o' Woundin' an' Returnin' an' Shootin'-Lightnin'-Out-Yer-Bum!! ~Planescape: Torment~

  • UwakionnaUwakionna Member RarePosts: 1,139
    edited August 2022
    Wise men talk because they have something to say, fools talk because they have to say something.

    KyleranIselinAndemnonAlBQuirkydragonlee66
  • Panther2103Panther2103 Member EpicPosts: 5,779
    I just don't think sandbox games are very wanted within the MMO genre. It's a niche genre and survival games kind of cover a lot of what people that would be interested want to have in a game so most people I know that would even attempt to play a modern sandbox game are already playing something like Ark, Rust, or Minecraft. Every time someone attempts a sandbox game it either goes belly up quick, or ends up like Wurm or Eve with such a high wall to climb for entry that you just can't get new players. 

    I thought Mortal Online 2 would be okay for a while but it's so undercooked that unless it still exists in a couple years (which knowing Henrik it might) it wont ever have a chance due to lack of content / things to do. 
    AlBQuirky
  • Branko2307Branko2307 Member UncommonPosts: 346
    edited August 2022
    Uwakionna said:
    Wise men talk because they have something to say, fools talk because they have to say something.


    You literally proved the point of that saying, if you need explaining of why let me know...
    AlBQuirky

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  • UwakionnaUwakionna Member RarePosts: 1,139
    I'm sure you want to believe that.
    KyleranAndemnonAlBQuirkydragonlee66
  • Branko2307Branko2307 Member UncommonPosts: 346
    Uwakionna said:
    I'm sure you want to believe that.

    So your afraid to repute my beliefs? why so scared of what i might say? just ask...you know the magic word.
    SensaiIselinAlBQuirky

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    Holy Flamin' Frost-Brand Gronk-Slayin' Vorpal Hammer o' Woundin' an' Returnin' an' Shootin'-Lightnin'-Out-Yer-Bum!! ~Planescape: Torment~

  • UwakionnaUwakionna Member RarePosts: 1,139
    Alright Mr "you know nothing". I'm sure most of us have seen your talking points many times before. It's just boring to hear the same lines every time the subject comes up.
    AndemnonTillerAlBQuirkydragonlee66
  • Branko2307Branko2307 Member UncommonPosts: 346
    Uwakionna said:
    Alright Mr "you know nothing". I'm sure most of us have seen your talking points many times before. It's just boring to hear the same lines every time the subject comes up.

    My talking points lol, sorry im not into political ideologies i use my own brain rather then spout someone elses ideas, and the reason why you proved the point of that saying, is that you had no real reason to reply the conversation you had no part of, yet you did and so like i said you proved that you are the latter of the saying.
    AlBQuirky

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    Holy Flamin' Frost-Brand Gronk-Slayin' Vorpal Hammer o' Woundin' an' Returnin' an' Shootin'-Lightnin'-Out-Yer-Bum!! ~Planescape: Torment~

  • UwakionnaUwakionna Member RarePosts: 1,139
    And yet your last meaningful comment was one that used the same marketplace argument we've seen so many times.

    The irony continues to roll in.
    IselinAndemnonAlBQuirkydragonlee66
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,059
    Uwakionna said:
    I'm sure you want to believe that.

    So your afraid to repute my beliefs? why so scared of what i might say? just ask...you know the magic word.
    While a bit long and takes quite a while to get through this video sums up everything wrong about crypto/ NFTs.




    AndemnonAlBQuirkydragonlee66

    "True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde 

    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm

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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Kyleran said:
    eoloe said:
    eoloe said:
    NFTs arent necessarily the future of gaming, just a current trend to try and make money.

    Imo NFTs are the future of MMOs, people just cant see it yet. Imo real money trading in mmos should be allowed and NFTs is the perfect way for companies of those MMOs to get a % cut of those transactions...i cant wait to see first AAA mmo with NFT RMTrading.

    Yes. We are so blind that we are really unable to see how they transform games into jobs and pretend everything is ok, it is for the players and not for their cut........... so they say............

    It is just an awesome idea..... So, when you lose progress, you actually lose money which makes gamers a lot happier for sure.

    Cannot wait.

    Please shoot me first.



    Calm down buddy take a breath, if you dont like something dont try to ruin it for others, who said you can lose any progress? ur just finding imaginary things to bitch about. Transform games into Jobs lol, even tho it is not allowed real money trading is being done right now in every single mmo you can imagine, just coz its not allowed doesnt mean its not happening, maybe think about what ur writing before posting it...

    We all know these arguments and this rhetoric. You just don't get mine. Whatever, enjoy your NFTs..........

    To go back on topic, there is EVE and Albion.
    Unfortunately for me, the space thing is not for me, and I don't like albion's DA even if I have to admit they do have interesting game mechanics.........

    BDO could have been it, but they gutted this part a long time ago..
    How does that proverb go?

    There are none so blind as those who will not see.

    or my Mom's personal favorite,

    You can lead a horse to water but you can't make em drink.

    Wise men talk because they have something to say, fools talk because they have to say something.

    Want me to explain why ur the latter? let me know.
    May I recommend that you lay off of the personal attacks?
    AndemnonAlBQuirkydragonlee66
  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,485
    Quizzical said:
    Kyleran said:
    eoloe said:
    eoloe said:
    NFTs arent necessarily the future of gaming, just a current trend to try and make money.

    Imo NFTs are the future of MMOs, people just cant see it yet. Imo real money trading in mmos should be allowed and NFTs is the perfect way for companies of those MMOs to get a % cut of those transactions...i cant wait to see first AAA mmo with NFT RMTrading.

    Yes. We are so blind that we are really unable to see how they transform games into jobs and pretend everything is ok, it is for the players and not for their cut........... so they say............

    It is just an awesome idea..... So, when you lose progress, you actually lose money which makes gamers a lot happier for sure.

    Cannot wait.

    Please shoot me first.



    Calm down buddy take a breath, if you dont like something dont try to ruin it for others, who said you can lose any progress? ur just finding imaginary things to bitch about. Transform games into Jobs lol, even tho it is not allowed real money trading is being done right now in every single mmo you can imagine, just coz its not allowed doesnt mean its not happening, maybe think about what ur writing before posting it...

    We all know these arguments and this rhetoric. You just don't get mine. Whatever, enjoy your NFTs..........

    To go back on topic, there is EVE and Albion.
    Unfortunately for me, the space thing is not for me, and I don't like albion's DA even if I have to admit they do have interesting game mechanics.........

    BDO could have been it, but they gutted this part a long time ago..
    How does that proverb go?

    There are none so blind as those who will not see.

    or my Mom's personal favorite,

    You can lead a horse to water but you can't make em drink.

    Wise men talk because they have something to say, fools talk because they have to say something.

    Want me to explain why ur the latter? let me know.
    May I recommend that you lay off of the personal attacks?




    KyleranMendelIselinAndemnonScotAlBQuirkydragonlee66
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  • Branko2307Branko2307 Member UncommonPosts: 346
    edited August 2022
    Kyleran said:
    Uwakionna said:
    I'm sure you want to believe that.

    So your afraid to repute my beliefs? why so scared of what i might say? just ask...you know the magic word.
    While a bit long and takes quite a while to get through this video sums up everything wrong about crypto/ NFTs.





    Again you prove my point, instead of using ur own brain about crypto you listen to someone on the web, why do you do that? coz you know nothing about crypto or crypto coding. A knife can be used for both slicing a bread and killing a person, crypto coding can indeed be used for wrong doings like rug pulls and such, what i am talking about is using it for companies to have easy percentage of all transactions of their game (if the company chooses to allow real money trading). And since you dont know anything about it, let me educate you, you can set up and change your own Crypto in some many diferent ways it basicly has limitless in both potencial and aplication, all you have to do is think of new ways to add to it, YOU KNOW ADD FEW LINES OF CODE...
    Post edited by Branko2307 on
    SensaiAlBQuirky

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  • TheDalaiBombaTheDalaiBomba Member EpicPosts: 1,493
    Kyleran said:
    Uwakionna said:
    I'm sure you want to believe that.

    So your afraid to repute my beliefs? why so scared of what i might say? just ask...you know the magic word.
    While a bit long and takes quite a while to get through this video sums up everything wrong about crypto/ NFTs.





    Again you prove my point, instead of using ur own brain about crypto you listen to someone on the web, why do you do that? coz you know nothing about crypto or crypto coding. A knife can be used for both slicing a bread and killing a person, crypto coding can indeed be used for wrong doings like rug pulls and such, what i am talking about is using it for companies to have easy percentage of all transactions of their game (if the company chooses to allow real money trading). And since you dont know anything about it, let me educate you, you can set up and change your own Crypto in some many diferent ways it basicly has limitless in both potencial and aplication, all you have to do is think of new ways to add to do it, YOU KNOW ADD FEW LINES OF CODE...
    You're a guy trying to tell people on the internet what to do while also telling them not to listen to people on the internet.
    MendelIselinTillerAlBQuirkydragonlee66
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,059
    Kyleran said:
    Uwakionna said:
    I'm sure you want to believe that.

    So your afraid to repute my beliefs? why so scared of what i might say? just ask...you know the magic word.
    While a bit long and takes quite a while to get through this video sums up everything wrong about crypto/ NFTs.

    Again you prove my point, instead of using ur own brain about crypto you listen to someone on the web, why do you do that? coz you know nothing about crypto or crypto coding. A knife can be used for both slicing a bread and killing a person, crypto coding can indeed be used for wrong doings like rug pulls and such, what i am talking about is using it for companies to have easy percentage of all transactions of their game (if the company chooses to allow real money trading). And since you dont know anything about it, let me educate you, you can set up and change your own Crypto in some many diferent ways it basicly has limitless in both potencial and aplication, all you have to do is think of new ways to add to do it, YOU KNOW ADD FEW LINES OF CODE...
    Everyone has to listen to someone on the internet when it comes to crypto/ NFTS, the trick is to distinguish which ones are probably lying to you.

    Pro tip, if they are trying to sell you something, they are probably lying...

    Also, number one crypto bro tactic is calling everyone else ignorant and only "they" know the truth.....

    Watch the video.
    AndemnonAlBQuirkydragonlee66

    "True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde 

    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm

    Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV

    Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Uwakionna said:
    Wise men talk because they have something to say, fools talk because they have to say something.

    Even if it wasn't on topic, you'd get an awesome from me for posting an Alanis Morissette song.

    She's one of us Canadians too, eh?
    KyleranAlBQuirky
    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

    ― Umberto Eco

    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

  • Branko2307Branko2307 Member UncommonPosts: 346
    Uwakionna said:
    And yet your last meaningful comment was one that used the same marketplace argument we've seen so many times.

    The irony continues to roll in.

    If you wanna quote me why dont you just ACTUALLY quote me? i present no arguments just my opinion, not my fault my opinion bursts ur little fragile bubble of "i dont like something so every else must not like it", the argument youwe seen so many times where? why dont you quote that as well, you cant coz again ur talking out of bum like usual.

    SensaiAlBQuirky

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    Holy Flamin' Frost-Brand Gronk-Slayin' Vorpal Hammer o' Woundin' an' Returnin' an' Shootin'-Lightnin'-Out-Yer-Bum!! ~Planescape: Torment~

  • Branko2307Branko2307 Member UncommonPosts: 346
    Quizzical said:
    Kyleran said:
    eoloe said:
    eoloe said:
    NFTs arent necessarily the future of gaming, just a current trend to try and make money.

    Imo NFTs are the future of MMOs, people just cant see it yet. Imo real money trading in mmos should be allowed and NFTs is the perfect way for companies of those MMOs to get a % cut of those transactions...i cant wait to see first AAA mmo with NFT RMTrading.

    Yes. We are so blind that we are really unable to see how they transform games into jobs and pretend everything is ok, it is for the players and not for their cut........... so they say............

    It is just an awesome idea..... So, when you lose progress, you actually lose money which makes gamers a lot happier for sure.

    Cannot wait.

    Please shoot me first.



    Calm down buddy take a breath, if you dont like something dont try to ruin it for others, who said you can lose any progress? ur just finding imaginary things to bitch about. Transform games into Jobs lol, even tho it is not allowed real money trading is being done right now in every single mmo you can imagine, just coz its not allowed doesnt mean its not happening, maybe think about what ur writing before posting it...

    We all know these arguments and this rhetoric. You just don't get mine. Whatever, enjoy your NFTs..........

    To go back on topic, there is EVE and Albion.
    Unfortunately for me, the space thing is not for me, and I don't like albion's DA even if I have to admit they do have interesting game mechanics.........

    BDO could have been it, but they gutted this part a long time ago..
    How does that proverb go?

    There are none so blind as those who will not see.

    or my Mom's personal favorite,

    You can lead a horse to water but you can't make em drink.

    Wise men talk because they have something to say, fools talk because they have to say something.

    Want me to explain why ur the latter? let me know.
    May I recommend that you lay off of the personal attacks?

    May i suggest you stop adding "?" at the end of a statement, makes no sense.

    That wasnt a personal attack i have no idea who that guy is. He just replied some nonsense proverbs that make no sense in the context of the conversation i had in this thread, so i replied with the proverb of my own that actually has a conection with what he said.
    AndemnonKyleranAlBQuirky

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    Holy Flamin' Frost-Brand Gronk-Slayin' Vorpal Hammer o' Woundin' an' Returnin' an' Shootin'-Lightnin'-Out-Yer-Bum!! ~Planescape: Torment~

  • AndemnonAndemnon Member UncommonPosts: 179
    Quizzical said:
    Kyleran said:
    eoloe said:
    eoloe said:
    NFTs arent necessarily the future of gaming, just a current trend to try and make money.

    Imo NFTs are the future of MMOs, people just cant see it yet. Imo real money trading in mmos should be allowed and NFTs is the perfect way for companies of those MMOs to get a % cut of those transactions...i cant wait to see first AAA mmo with NFT RMTrading.

    Yes. We are so blind that we are really unable to see how they transform games into jobs and pretend everything is ok, it is for the players and not for their cut........... so they say............

    It is just an awesome idea..... So, when you lose progress, you actually lose money which makes gamers a lot happier for sure.

    Cannot wait.

    Please shoot me first.



    Calm down buddy take a breath, if you dont like something dont try to ruin it for others, who said you can lose any progress? ur just finding imaginary things to bitch about. Transform games into Jobs lol, even tho it is not allowed real money trading is being done right now in every single mmo you can imagine, just coz its not allowed doesnt mean its not happening, maybe think about what ur writing before posting it...

    We all know these arguments and this rhetoric. You just don't get mine. Whatever, enjoy your NFTs..........

    To go back on topic, there is EVE and Albion.
    Unfortunately for me, the space thing is not for me, and I don't like albion's DA even if I have to admit they do have interesting game mechanics.........

    BDO could have been it, but they gutted this part a long time ago..
    How does that proverb go?

    There are none so blind as those who will not see.

    or my Mom's personal favorite,

    You can lead a horse to water but you can't make em drink.

    Wise men talk because they have something to say, fools talk because they have to say something.

    Want me to explain why ur the latter? let me know.
    May I recommend that you lay off of the personal attacks?

    May i suggest you stop adding "?" at the end of a statement, makes no sense.

    That wasnt a personal attack i have no idea who that guy is. He just replied some nonsense proverbs that make no sense in the context of the conversation i had in this thread, so i replied with the proverb of my own that actually has a conection with what he said.
    Pro tip, do not argue with Quizzical  :p
    KyleranArglebargleAlBQuirkydragonlee66
  • Branko2307Branko2307 Member UncommonPosts: 346
    Kyleran said:
    Uwakionna said:
    I'm sure you want to believe that.

    So your afraid to repute my beliefs? why so scared of what i might say? just ask...you know the magic word.
    While a bit long and takes quite a while to get through this video sums up everything wrong about crypto/ NFTs.





    Again you prove my point, instead of using ur own brain about crypto you listen to someone on the web, why do you do that? coz you know nothing about crypto or crypto coding. A knife can be used for both slicing a bread and killing a person, crypto coding can indeed be used for wrong doings like rug pulls and such, what i am talking about is using it for companies to have easy percentage of all transactions of their game (if the company chooses to allow real money trading). And since you dont know anything about it, let me educate you, you can set up and change your own Crypto in some many diferent ways it basicly has limitless in both potencial and aplication, all you have to do is think of new ways to add to do it, YOU KNOW ADD FEW LINES OF CODE...
    You're a guy trying to tell people on the internet what to do while also telling them not to listen to people on the internet.

    Where did i tell anyone to do anything? Its actually the oposite, im telling em to stop telling people not to want or like something just coz they dont like it.
    SensaiKyleranAlBQuirky

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    Holy Flamin' Frost-Brand Gronk-Slayin' Vorpal Hammer o' Woundin' an' Returnin' an' Shootin'-Lightnin'-Out-Yer-Bum!! ~Planescape: Torment~

  • HengistHengist Member RarePosts: 1,315
    Iselin said:
    When I look around at the players playing multiplayer online games in 2022 I'm not sure I want anything whatsoever to do with player-driven anything.



    For me it begs the question, has the audience changed, or have I changed?


    Things were very different when I started playing games like UO, and I'd like to believe that the audience has changed, back then they were newer concepts, people didn't quite know what they were, or what they could be. These days, people seem to know everything, and that makes the perception very different.

    Of course who knows,  maybe we were the same then, and I'm wearing rose colored glasses, think that it was a different era, with players who approached things differently than today.
    KyleranAlBQuirky
  • UwakionnaUwakionna Member RarePosts: 1,139
    edited August 2022
    Uwakionna said:
    And yet your last meaningful comment was one that used the same marketplace argument we've seen so many times.

    The irony continues to roll in.

    If you wanna quote me why dont you just ACTUALLY quote me? i present no arguments just my opinion, not my fault my opinion bursts ur little fragile bubble of "i dont like something so every else must not like it", the argument youwe seen so many times where? why dont you quote that as well, you cant coz again ur talking out of bum like usual.

    Oh, then what was that about trying to make a point?

    Hiding behind opinions now seems hardly feasible after you took it upon yourself to address other's opinions. What is your purpose in sharing your opinion and making any "point", if not to be presenting an argument?

    Nice job jumping assumptions there too. Must be quite skilled painting boogeymen at this point.

    And just scrolling through recent discussion's pages to look at the NFT threads that have popped up on this site alone, we can see the recurring theme of the marketplace as a subject.

    Some of us just have a memory for things. It's useful when you can identify some past mistake about to repeat itself. Means you never have to guess when to get more popcorn.

    EIDT: Just gonna quote when that dude said "...but you totaly missed my point about..." since he apparently forgot what he wrote on page 1.
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    AlBQuirky
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    edited August 2022
    Hengist said:
    Iselin said:
    When I look around at the players playing multiplayer online games in 2022 I'm not sure I want anything whatsoever to do with player-driven anything.



    For me it begs the question, has the audience changed, or have I changed?


    Things were very different when I started playing games like UO, and I'd like to believe that the audience has changed, back then they were newer concepts, people didn't quite know what they were, or what they could be. These days, people seem to know everything, and that makes the perception very different.

    Of course who knows,  maybe we were the same then, and I'm wearing rose colored glasses, think that it was a different era, with players who approached things differently than today.
    I think the audience expanded and where once we had a self-selected crowd of RPG hobbyists playing it's now everyone.

    There have always been cheaters, exploiters and scammers in MMOs but it just seems to me like the percentages are much higher now. I mean... the New World developers deserve a lot of criticism for releasing a game that was so easily exploitable but it took a massive number of players to use the many exploits ruining territory control and the economy.

    It drove vast quantities of honest players away when they saw they could not play the game seriously and compete against the cheaters. 
    HengistKyleranTheDalaiBombaAlBQuirky
    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”

    ― Umberto Eco

    “Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” 
    ― CD PROJEKT RED

  • Branko2307Branko2307 Member UncommonPosts: 346
    Uwakionna said:
    Uwakionna said:
    And yet your last meaningful comment was one that used the same marketplace argument we've seen so many times.

    The irony continues to roll in.

    If you wanna quote me why dont you just ACTUALLY quote me? i present no arguments just my opinion, not my fault my opinion bursts ur little fragile bubble of "i dont like something so every else must not like it", the argument youwe seen so many times where? why dont you quote that as well, you cant coz again ur talking out of bum like usual.

    Oh, then what was that about trying to make a point?

    Hiding behind opinions now seems hardly feasible after you took it upon yourself to address other's opinions. What is your purpose in sharing your opinion and making any "point", if not to be presenting an argument?

    Nice job jumping assumptions there too. Must be quite skilled painting boogeymen at this point.

    And just scrolling through recent discussion's pages to look at the NFT threads that have popped up on this site alone, we can see the recurring theme of the marketplace as a subject.

    Some of us just have a memory for things. It's useful when you can identify some past mistake about to repeat itself. Means you never have to guess when to get more popcorn.

    1) Trying to prove a point about what? and where? (again didnt quote me)
    2) Took it upon myself to adress other's opinions where? (again didnt quote me)
    3) My opinion was allways about a game in the future (that will allow RMT with use of Crypto coding)
    4) I have no time to dig out what u ment by "argument you have seen so many times" if you want to present clear rebutal of what i said maybe u should dig it out since u mentioned it? (again didnt quote it)
    5) Memory is a good thing if you are correct, i would suggest you forget this one, since you keep forgeting to quote me, keep forgeting to make sense, keep forgeting to present one good argument in any sense of this topic and discusion.
    KyleranUwakionnaSensaiAlBQuirky

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  • HengistHengist Member RarePosts: 1,315
    Iselin said:
    Hengist said:
    Iselin said:
    When I look around at the players playing multiplayer online games in 2022 I'm not sure I want anything whatsoever to do with player-driven anything.



    For me it begs the question, has the audience changed, or have I changed?


    Things were very different when I started playing games like UO, and I'd like to believe that the audience has changed, back then they were newer concepts, people didn't quite know what they were, or what they could be. These days, people seem to know everything, and that makes the perception very different.

    Of course who knows,  maybe we were the same then, and I'm wearing rose colored glasses, think that it was a different era, with players who approached things differently than today.
    I think the audience expanded and where once we had a self-selected crowd of RPG hobbyists playing it's now everyone.

    There have always been cheaters, exploiters and scammers in MMOs but it just seems to me like the percentages are much higher now. I mean... the New World developers deserve a lot of criticism for releasing a game that was so easily exploitable but it took a massive number of players to use the many exploits ruining territory control and the economy.

    It drove vast quantities of honest players away when they saw they could not play the game seriously and compete against the cheaters. 



    That's a really good point. 


    When it was hobbyists, I suspect I had more in common with most players, these days I feel like I have less in common with the population, and that's okay, just makes it harder for me to relate, or I simply don't enjoy some items that they do, and vice versa.

    I enjoyed NW for 600+ hours, but it's definitely not something I see myself ever going to back to, and that's odd, because other MMO's I've taken long vacations from, but I've gone back many times. I laugh that it took NW for me to really appreciate ESO. The combat, finally going back to the roots, putting aside my preconceived notion that a class had a role, rather than looking at skills fill roles took 4-5 trips back? I had a single 50 from ESO launch, got as far as 22 CP (and since you played, you realize how long that takes, lol, 20 minutes? If that?) Since going back, I've got 11 50's, with a a few more coming, and just cruised past 700 CP.  So why did it take a classless game for me to go back to my roots and make me appreciate ESO?

    To the point though, I think the cheaters were a big thing, seeing games become E-Sports another, and the rise of the hard core raiding guilds. (I know they existed in EQ, but I feel like we saw more and more of them.) Different attitudes, different elitism, and the hobbyist felt like they were second fiddle.

    Either or....maybe that's all a part of the sandbox generally going away, harder to monetize, and the loss/abandonment of come casual ideals. 
    AlBQuirky
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