Richard Garriott, used to be a good guy i think, kind of sad to see how far he has fallen, well, the saying is that if you live long enough, you see your heroes turn into villains.
But it's not surprising around here, this forum is full of jealous posters who don't miss one occasion to hate Garriott. As I said... he was in space, not you guys. Thanks to his work.
White-knighting for him isn't going to earn you a pat on the back from Garriot.
As for the reasons for him getting into space, it wasn't because of his work, it was because he scammed people. He was all like "we need so much money to fix Tabula Rasa and we can put out the update" And then we see a notice about how he went into space. That did not sit well with any one.
He has not had a successful game that he churned out since Ultima. He is literally "resting on his laurels".
Garriot was already out of any real developmental position on Tabula Rasa at that point. Just an NCSoft figurehead. NCSoft got tired of his continual refactoring and design change, without producing something vaguely workable. Other folks had been put in charge (probably too many of them actually), and the end result of Tabula Rasa was a bit muddled.
It took a considerable amount of his fortune to go into space, and of course NCSoft chose that moment to try to undercut him. They did a poor job of it, and he beat them in court, though I've never heard about whether he was able to collect on that judgment.
Only a few of the Origin Systems big brass have been able to successfully deliver a game once they left that company's cozy embrace.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Seriously ? He was to space ? You want me to give a frak if someone was in space ? Seriously ??!?!?
It's kind of impressive. A lot of time and effort goes into preparing to
travel into space even as a tourist. It's not just buying an expensive
ticket and off you go.
Mostly its publically throwing away a lot of money for zero scientific archievement or other benefit for mankind.
Seriously ? He was to space ? You want me to give a frak if someone was in space ? Seriously ??!?!?
It's kind of impressive. A lot of time and effort goes into preparing to
travel into space even as a tourist. It's not just buying an expensive
ticket and off you go.
Mostly its publically throwing away a lot of money for zero scientific archievement or other benefit for mankind.
In one word: decadence.
Most of is generates money for space research, the thing that will probably save us in a distant future if we survive until then.
Respect, walk, what did you say? Respect, walk Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me? - PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
Seriously ? He was to space ? You want me to give a frak if someone was in space ? Seriously ??!?!?
It's kind of impressive. A lot of time and effort goes into preparing to
travel into space even as a tourist. It's not just buying an expensive
ticket and off you go.
Mostly its publically throwing away a lot of money for zero scientific archievement or other benefit for mankind.
In one word: decadence.
Most of is generates money for space research, the thing that will probably save us in a distant future if we survive until then.
There is only one result for an ever expanding species that has a limited habitat; war, famine and possible extinction. At least a century away but it is there in our future, and the slow pace of space exploration means we will need that time and more to be in a viable position to get enough people of the planet.
Seriously ? He was to space ? You want me to give a frak if someone was in space ? Seriously ??!?!?
It's kind of impressive. A lot of time and effort goes into preparing to
travel into space even as a tourist. It's not just buying an expensive
ticket and off you go.
Mostly its publically throwing away a lot of money for zero scientific archievement or other benefit for mankind.
In one word: decadence.
Most of is generates money for space research, the thing that will probably save us in a distant future if we survive until then.
There is only one result for an ever expanding species that has a limited habitat; war, famine and possible extinction. At least a century away but it is there in our future, and the slow pace of space exploration means we will need that time and more to be in a viable position to get enough people of the planet.
I wouldn't want to have your brain and your mind. And that's not an insult.
Respect, walk, what did you say? Respect, walk Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me? - PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
There is only one result for an ever expanding species that has a limited habitat; war, famine and possible extinction. At least a century away but it is there in our future, and the slow pace of space exploration means we will need that time and more to be in a viable position to get enough people off the planet.
I recently watched a video called "All Tomorrows: the future of humanity" detailing the evolution of humans (speculative evolution science fiction) in a book titled "All Tomorrows". It made me very uncomfortable and I wept for future humans.
edit: btw, scot, thanks for encouraging me to act more civilly
Seriously ? He was to space ? You want me to give a frak if someone was in space ? Seriously ??!?!?
It's kind of impressive. A lot of time and effort goes into preparing to
travel into space even as a tourist. It's not just buying an expensive
ticket and off you go.
Mostly its publically throwing away a lot of money for zero scientific archievement or other benefit for mankind.
In one word: decadence.
Most of is generates money for space research, the thing that will probably save us in a distant future if we survive until then.
I agree, though the idea of private entities controlling that research and exploration create very "The Outer Worlds" vibes.
Colonies of indentured workers being paid *just* enough to keep their debt in check, but never enough to pay it off.
Seriously ? He was to space ? You want me to give a frak if someone was in space ? Seriously ??!?!?
It's kind of impressive. A lot of time and effort goes into preparing to
travel into space even as a tourist. It's not just buying an expensive
ticket and off you go.
Mostly its publically throwing away a lot of money for zero scientific archievement or other benefit for mankind.
In one word: decadence.
Most of is generates money for space research, the thing that will probably save us in a distant future if we survive until then.
There is only one result for an ever expanding species that has a limited habitat; war, famine and possible extinction. At least a century away but it is there in our future, and the slow pace of space exploration means we will need that time and more to be in a viable position to get enough people of the planet.
I wouldn't want to have your brain and your mind. And that's not an insult.
There is only one result for an ever expanding species that has a limited habitat; war, famine and possible extinction. At least a century away but it is there in our future, and the slow pace of space exploration means we will need that time and more to be in a viable position to get enough people off the planet.
I recently watched a video called "All Tomorrows: the future of humanity" detailing the evolution of humans (speculative evolution science fiction) in a book titled "All Tomorrows". It made me very uncomfortable and I wept for future humans.
edit: btw, scot, thanks for encouraging me to act more civilly
There is only one result for an ever expanding species that has a limited habitat; war, famine and possible extinction. At least a century away but it is there in our future, and the slow pace of space exploration means we will need that time and more to be in a viable position to get enough people off the planet.
I recently watched a video called "All Tomorrows: the future of humanity" detailing the evolution of humans (speculative evolution science fiction) in a book titled "All Tomorrows". It made me very uncomfortable and I wept for future humans.
edit: btw, scot, thanks for encouraging me to act more civilly
Always glad to help, its easy to use fire a keyboard in anger, I have to watch myself. Doom laded futurism can take things too far, we have had many predictions going back a long way. Thinking of the one in the 60's about world population, where a "moderate" estimate was that the world would all have "Russian style food shopping queues" by the 2020's, well here we are. Conversely a larger population is one of those problems we have been facing for some time and will have to face as we go forward.
Seriously ? He was to space ? You want me to give a frak if someone was in space ? Seriously ??!?!?
It's kind of impressive. A lot of time and effort goes into preparing to
travel into space even as a tourist. It's not just buying an expensive
ticket and off you go.
Mostly its publically throwing away a lot of money for zero scientific archievement or other benefit for mankind.
In one word: decadence.
It wasn't for scientific achievement. It was space tourism. Garriott is entitled to do what pleases him with his money. Use your own to benefit mankind if you like. It's the only spending of cash you have a say in.
There is only one result for an ever expanding species that has a limited habitat; war, famine and possible extinction. At least a century away but it is there in our future, and the slow pace of space exploration means we will need that time and more to be in a viable position to get enough people of the planet.
The world has plenty of space not well utilized. Further developing that is more feasible than space exploration. Even if a place was found it would be more difficult to build up than make better use of our own world.
Truthfully, do not care what he does at this point.
Some people will still look at what he does with hope. But for me, I highly doubt that he can make any game that will take my interest.
Give the guy his due for being a gaming pioneer. But I have no knowledge of him making anything since UO days that many have enjoyed.
Tabula Rasa was last game that he had anything to do with, that I liked, and that was pretty much scrapped and rebuilt from ground up by NC Soft 2 years into the deal.
So back to my first point...he is good for a chuckle here and there in the news. But for games, naw, not much hope or care what he is doing.
There is only one result for an ever expanding species that has a limited habitat; war, famine and possible extinction. At least a century away but it is there in our future, and the slow pace of space exploration means we will need that time and more to be in a viable position to get enough people of the planet.
The world has plenty of space not well utilized. Further developing that is more feasible than space exploration. Even if a place was found it would be more difficult to build up than make better use of our own world.
I agree as science, engineering and technology have staved of problems like those predictions of "bread queues for the world" that were predicted in the 60's. But it is a risky bet that they will allays have the answer, so getting of the planet ensures all our eggs are not in one basket. In the long term which as I say is at least a century away, it has to be space.
Also the sort of advances I see doing what you say, like sea biomes and so on are hardly getting looked at, while space is.
There is only one result for an ever expanding species that has a limited habitat; war, famine and possible extinction. At least a century away but it is there in our future, and the slow pace of space exploration means we will need that time and more to be in a viable position to get enough people of the planet.
The world has plenty of space not well utilized. Further developing that is more feasible than space exploration. Even if a place was found it would be more difficult to build up than make better use of our own world.
I agree as science, engineering and technology have staved of problems like those predictions of "bread queues for the world" that were predicted in the 60's. But it is a risky bet that they will allays have the answer, so getting of the planet ensures all our eggs are not in one basket. In the long term which as I say is at least a century away, it has to be space.
Also the sort of advances I see doing what you say, like sea biomes and so on are hardly getting looked at, while space is.
Science, engineering, and technology are the only source of answers whether making better use of this world or any use of elsewhere.
While space gets more attention it is far less practicable. At best we've been able to get a handful of people to the moon and back and that was when we were actually trying hard. Any long-term human presence in space would require constructed biomes anyway, so the technology will need to be looked at regardless.
There is only one result for an ever expanding species that has a limited habitat; war, famine and possible extinction. At least a century away but it is there in our future, and the slow pace of space exploration means we will need that time and more to be in a viable position to get enough people of the planet.
The world has plenty of space not well utilized. Further developing that is more feasible than space exploration. Even if a place was found it would be more difficult to build up than make better use of our own world.
I agree as science, engineering and technology have staved of problems like those predictions of "bread queues for the world" that were predicted in the 60's. But it is a risky bet that they will allays have the answer, so getting of the planet ensures all our eggs are not in one basket. In the long term which as I say is at least a century away, it has to be space.
Also the sort of advances I see doing what you say, like sea biomes and so on are hardly getting looked at, while space is.
Science, engineering, and technology are the only source of answers whether making better use of this world or any use of elsewhere.
While space gets more attention it is far less practicable. At best we've been able to get a handful of people to the moon and back and that was when we were actually trying hard. Any long-term human presence in space would require constructed biomes anyway, so the technology will need to be looked at regardless.
I am still waiting on that space elevator, but material technology (I had hopes for graphite) just ain't up to it, but we move into the realm of near SF there. I certainly think we will get some cross over between the biomes already built for the likes of studying ecosystems and what will be used in space. What has been proven recently is private individuals can push the boundaries forward, not just governments, which is of some hope.
What if... what if he's not targeting this mmorpg.com poster market. He might feel like "they hate everything. Not going to try to appeal to them."
What if he's trying to cultivate a new group of mmorpg players?
lol good luck with that. Declining interest in this genre and more people are enjoying other games like Fortnite and League of Legend type games. This genre is not really doing that well. We are just cannibalizing the same players.
There is only one result for an ever expanding species that has a limited habitat; war, famine and possible extinction. At least a century away but it is there in our future, and the slow pace of space exploration means we will need that time and more to be in a viable position to get enough people of the planet.
The world has plenty of space not well utilized. Further developing that is more feasible than space exploration. Even if a place was found it would be more difficult to build up than make better use of our own world.
I agree as science, engineering and technology have staved of problems like those predictions of "bread queues for the world" that were predicted in the 60's. But it is a risky bet that they will allays have the answer, so getting of the planet ensures all our eggs are not in one basket. In the long term which as I say is at least a century away, it has to be space.
Also the sort of advances I see doing what you say, like sea biomes and so on are hardly getting looked at, while space is.
Science, engineering, and technology are the only source of answers whether making better use of this world or any use of elsewhere.
While space gets more attention it is far less practicable. At best we've been able to get a handful of people to the moon and back and that was when we were actually trying hard. Any long-term human presence in space would require constructed biomes anyway, so the technology will need to be looked at regardless.
I would be wary of dismissing space travel's benefits to us here on Earth.
Without space travel, GPS would be impossible, and we wouldn't be able to predict weather patterns as accurately as we do, which is a key requirement for even monitoring climate change.
The ultraviolet lenses in your sunglasses are the result of space travel technology. Companies are also looking into space mining to relieve the dependency upon non-renewable resources here on Earth. That's just a few things only made possible through space exploration.
Beyond that: if we are to have any hope of staying on Earth for a millennia more, being able to avert an asteroid strike is a requirement. It's not really a matter of if with an asteroid strike, it's a matter of when and what size. We cannot hope to avert an asteroid strike without a robust space program.
Seriously ? He was to space ? You want me to give a frak if someone was in space ? Seriously ??!?!?
It's kind of impressive. A lot of time and effort goes into preparing to
travel into space even as a tourist. It's not just buying an expensive
ticket and off you go.
Mostly its publically throwing away a lot of money for zero scientific archievement or other benefit for mankind.
In one word: decadence.
Most of is generates money for space research, the thing that will probably save us in a distant future if we survive until then.
There is only one result for an ever expanding species that has a limited habitat; war, famine and possible extinction. At least a century away but it is there in our future, and the slow pace of space exploration means we will need that time and more to be in a viable position to get enough people of the planet.
I wouldn't want to have your brain and your mind. And that's not an insult.
Sure.
The signification is a bit different in my first language. You sound depressing. I don't want to be like you on that part. I still have hope. And humankind won't disappear anytime soon. That's what I was meaning.
Respect, walk, what did you say? Respect, walk Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me? - PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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There is only one result for an ever expanding species that has a limited habitat; war, famine and possible extinction. At least a century away but it is there in our future, and the slow pace of space exploration means we will need that time and more to be in a viable position to get enough people of the planet.
The world has plenty of space not well utilized. Further developing that is more feasible than space exploration. Even if a place was found it would be more difficult to build up than make better use of our own world.
I agree as science, engineering and technology have staved of problems like those predictions of "bread queues for the world" that were predicted in the 60's. But it is a risky bet that they will allays have the answer, so getting of the planet ensures all our eggs are not in one basket. In the long term which as I say is at least a century away, it has to be space.
Also the sort of advances I see doing what you say, like sea biomes and so on are hardly getting looked at, while space is.
Science, engineering, and technology are the only source of answers whether making better use of this world or any use of elsewhere.
While space gets more attention it is far less practicable. At best we've been able to get a handful of people to the moon and back and that was when we were actually trying hard. Any long-term human presence in space would require constructed biomes anyway, so the technology will need to be looked at regardless.
I would be wary of dismissing space travel's benefits to us here on Earth.
Without space travel, GPS would be impossible, and we wouldn't be able to predict weather patterns as accurately as we do, which is a key requirement for even monitoring climate change.
The ultraviolet lenses in your sunglasses are the result of space travel technology. Companies are also looking into space mining to relieve the dependency upon non-renewable resources here on Earth. That's just a few things only made possible through space exploration.
Beyond that: if we are to have any hope of staying on Earth for a millennia more, being able to avert an asteroid strike is a requirement. It's not really a matter of if with an asteroid strike, it's a matter of when and what size. We cannot hope to avert an asteroid strike without a robust space program.
I don't think he is dismissing space research, just that the costs/benefits of terrestrial outweigh space. It is a matter of balance, the US had the public solidly behind them when they first went to the Moon. After that interest faded only sparked now and then by footage of other planets, you can't spend huge taxes forever without people seeing results. But the same could be said of the biomes, every project has limited scope for more funding without new results.
I am with you, I put space further up the agenda, but they have to be doing the right thing, I do question NASA's new Moon mission, unless they do get to the lunar base stage there are other priorities. But if they get as far as a lunar base then all this build up will be worth it.
What if... what if he's not targeting this mmorpg.com poster market. He might feel like "they hate everything. Not going to try to appeal to them."
What if he's trying to cultivate a new group of mmorpg playerssuckers?
FTFY
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Seriously ? He was to space ? You want me to give a frak if someone was in space ? Seriously ??!?!?
It's kind of impressive. A lot of time and effort goes into preparing to
travel into space even as a tourist. It's not just buying an expensive
ticket and off you go.
Mostly its publically throwing away a lot of money for zero scientific archievement or other benefit for mankind.
In one word: decadence.
Most of is generates money for space research, the thing that will probably save us in a distant future if we survive until then.
There is only one result for an ever expanding species that has a limited habitat; war, famine and possible extinction. At least a century away but it is there in our future, and the slow pace of space exploration means we will need that time and more to be in a viable position to get enough people of the planet.
I wouldn't want to have your brain and your mind. And that's not an insult.
Sure.
The signification is a bit different in my first language. You sound depressing. I don't want to be like you on that part. I still have hope. And humankind won't disappear anytime soon. That's what I was meaning.
I may have sent mixed signals, while I think science and technology have a proven track record in solving global problems, the only way to ensure humanities survival is to go beyond the globe as it were.
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It took a considerable amount of his fortune to go into space, and of course NCSoft chose that moment to try to undercut him. They did a poor job of it, and he beat them in court, though I've never heard about whether he was able to collect on that judgment.
Only a few of the Origin Systems big brass have been able to successfully deliver a game once they left that company's cozy embrace.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
Most of is generates money for space research, the thing that will probably save us in a distant future if we survive until then.
Respect, walk
Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me?
- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
I wouldn't want to have your brain and your mind. And that's not an insult.
Respect, walk
Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me?
- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
edit: btw, scot, thanks for encouraging me to act more civilly
Colonies of indentured workers being paid *just* enough to keep their debt in check, but never enough to pay it off.
It wasn't for scientific achievement. It was space tourism. Garriott is entitled to do what pleases him with his money. Use your own to benefit mankind if you like. It's the only spending of cash you have a say in.
The world has plenty of space not well utilized. Further developing that is more feasible than space exploration. Even if a place was found it would be more difficult to build up than make better use of our own world.
Some people will still look at what he does with hope. But for me, I highly doubt that he can make any game that will take my interest.
Give the guy his due for being a gaming pioneer. But I have no knowledge of him making anything since UO days that many have enjoyed.
Tabula Rasa was last game that he had anything to do with, that I liked, and that was pretty much scrapped and rebuilt from ground up by NC Soft 2 years into the deal.
So back to my first point...he is good for a chuckle here and there in the news. But for games, naw, not much hope or care what he is doing.
Also the sort of advances I see doing what you say, like sea biomes and so on are hardly getting looked at, while space is.
Science, engineering, and technology are the only source of answers whether making better use of this world or any use of elsewhere.
While space gets more attention it is far less practicable. At best we've been able to get a handful of people to the moon and back and that was when we were actually trying hard. Any long-term human presence in space would require constructed biomes anyway, so the technology will need to be looked at regardless.
What if... what if he's not targeting this mmorpg.com poster market. He might feel like "they hate everything. Not going to try to appeal to them."
What if he's trying to cultivate a new group of mmorpg players?
Without space travel, GPS would be impossible, and we wouldn't be able to predict weather patterns as accurately as we do, which is a key requirement for even monitoring climate change.
The ultraviolet lenses in your sunglasses are the result of space travel technology. Companies are also looking into space mining to relieve the dependency upon non-renewable resources here on Earth. That's just a few things only made possible through space exploration.
Beyond that: if we are to have any hope of staying on Earth for a millennia more, being able to avert an asteroid strike is a requirement. It's not really a matter of if with an asteroid strike, it's a matter of when and what size. We cannot hope to avert an asteroid strike without a robust space program.
The signification is a bit different in my first language.
You sound depressing. I don't want to be like you on that part. I still have hope. And humankind won't disappear anytime soon.
That's what I was meaning.
Respect, walk
Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me?
- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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That was just awesome.
The ones with the three robots are kickass too
Respect, walk
Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me?
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I am with you, I put space further up the agenda, but they have to be doing the right thing, I do question NASA's new Moon mission, unless they do get to the lunar base stage there are other priorities. But if they get as far as a lunar base then all this build up will be worth it.
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