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Microsoft's Offer To Keep Call Of Duty On PlayStation 'Inadequate' According To PlayStation Boss | M

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imageMicrosoft's Offer To Keep Call Of Duty On PlayStation 'Inadequate' According To PlayStation Boss | MMORPG.com

Microsoft has outwardly talked about keeping Call of Duty on PlayStation following the completion of their acquisition of Activision Blizzard, however it seems that has a term limit. PlayStation's boss Jim Ryan revealed that the deal offered by the Xbox creator was simply "inadequate."

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  • ashiru_1978ashiru_1978 Member RarePosts: 818
    LOL
  • Pher0ciousPher0cious Member RarePosts: 531
    How about you just agree to a deal of no more exclusives. Forever. What do ya say to that Sony Playstation? One who cries about others having exclusives while advocating exclusives for itself.
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,068
    How about you just agree to a deal of no more exclusives. Forever. What do ya say to that Sony Playstation? One who cries about others having exclusives while advocating exclusives for itself.
    There's a pretty big difference between content you make for yourself, and buying out existing devs and franchises. See - Sony not complaining about Halo being exclusive, because that isn't a problem.
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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,992
    How about you just agree to a deal of no more exclusives. Forever. What do ya say to that Sony Playstation? One who cries about others having exclusives while advocating exclusives for itself.
    Every console has its own exclusives, and that in itself is not a problem.

    It only becomes an issue if one of the console makers does $70 billion purchase for option to make games exclusives. That would quickly lead to a situation where Sony would also need to do $70 billion purchase to keep competitive. And eventually if it's not checked by officials, Microsoft has enough money that they can win the console war simply by purchasing enough devs who are currently developing Playstation games.
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  • WhiteLanternWhiteLantern Member RarePosts: 3,319
    Microsoft can't win the console war, so they'll buy all the devs. P2W
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  • MarknMarkn Member UncommonPosts: 308


    Microsoft can't win the console war, so they'll buy all the devs. P2W



    They already won it check the revenue they make from Game pass compared to what sony makes from its subscription service. Console sales dont drive the profit when you barely break even or lose money on everyone sold not when you have 30-40m people paying $15 a month for game pass.
  • TheDalaiBombaTheDalaiBomba Member EpicPosts: 1,493
    edited September 2022
    Markn said:


    Microsoft can't win the console war, so they'll buy all the devs. P2W



    They already won it check the revenue they make from Game pass compared to what sony makes from its subscription service. Console sales dont drive the profit when you barely break even or lose money on everyone sold not when you have 30-40m people paying $15 a month for game pass.
    This is as ignorant as saying Microsoft lost because Sony has made a ton of money on exclusives.

    God of War, for example, has sold over 19.5 million copies (as of 2021).  Multiply that by $50 (to be conservative), and that one game has made about a billion dollars.  For a non-GaaS single player game.

    Horizon: ZD has sold over 20 million.  It was released less than a year before GoW, so Sony was enjoying a scoop of both simultaneously.  Add in Spider-Man (33 million, also released 2018), and Sony's exclusives are literally raking in billions, just based on 3 releases within a year's time.

    Oh, and none of those games were GaaS multiplayer games.  Just good ole quality video game experiences.
  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,197
    Markn said:


    Microsoft can't win the console war, so they'll buy all the devs. P2W



    They already won it check the revenue they make from Game pass compared to what sony makes from its subscription service. Console sales dont drive the profit when you barely break even or lose money on everyone sold not when you have 30-40m people paying $15 a month for game pass.
    This is as ignorant as saying Microsoft lost because Sony has made a ton of money on exclusives.

    God of War, for example, has sold over 19.5 million copies (as of 2021).  Multiply that by $50 (to be conservative), and that one game has made about a billion dollars.  For a non-GaaS single player game.

    Horizon: ZD has sold over 20 million.  It was released less than a year before GoW, so Sony was enjoying a scoop of both simultaneously.  Add in Spider-Man (33 million, also released 2018), and Sony's exclusives are literally raking in billions, just based on 3 releases within a year's time.

    Oh, and none of those games were GaaS multiplayer games.  Just good ole quality video game experiences.
    Still Xbox game pass is still the best value in gaming. 

    I have a ps 5 I never play cause I can spend all my free time on game pass games.

    Even if Xbox made call of duty exclusive there's a good chance it would just be on game pass anyway. 

    Sony needs to get over it. Chances are Microsoft will launch most games on multiple platforms anyways like they already do since game pass plays on PC really well. 

    I think things are going to get more competitive once Xbox gets their cloud gaming together better.



  • TheDalaiBombaTheDalaiBomba Member EpicPosts: 1,493
    edited September 2022
    Markn said:


    Microsoft can't win the console war, so they'll buy all the devs. P2W



    They already won it check the revenue they make from Game pass compared to what sony makes from its subscription service. Console sales dont drive the profit when you barely break even or lose money on everyone sold not when you have 30-40m people paying $15 a month for game pass.
    This is as ignorant as saying Microsoft lost because Sony has made a ton of money on exclusives.

    God of War, for example, has sold over 19.5 million copies (as of 2021).  Multiply that by $50 (to be conservative), and that one game has made about a billion dollars.  For a non-GaaS single player game.

    Horizon: ZD has sold over 20 million.  It was released less than a year before GoW, so Sony was enjoying a scoop of both simultaneously.  Add in Spider-Man (33 million, also released 2018), and Sony's exclusives are literally raking in billions, just based on 3 releases within a year's time.

    Oh, and none of those games were GaaS multiplayer games.  Just good ole quality video game experiences.
    Still Xbox game pass is still the best value in gaming. 

    I have a ps 5 I never play cause I can spend all my free time on game pass games.

    Even if Xbox made call of duty exclusive there's a good chance it would just be on game pass anyway. 

    Sony needs to get over it. Chances are Microsoft will launch most games on multiple platforms anyways like they already do since game pass plays on PC really well. 

    I think things are going to get more competitive once Xbox gets their cloud gaming together better.
    Nothing about my post was discussing value to gamers, though.

    I buy PS exclusives, and I pay for Xbox Game Pass, though I may cancel it soon because I haven't seriously played anything available there in a month or so.  I happily paid the equivalent of 8 months of Game Pass just for GoW and Spider-Man.

    Cloud gaming won't matter much to those who enjoy PS exclusives.
  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,197
    Markn said:


    Microsoft can't win the console war, so they'll buy all the devs. P2W



    They already won it check the revenue they make from Game pass compared to what sony makes from its subscription service. Console sales dont drive the profit when you barely break even or lose money on everyone sold not when you have 30-40m people paying $15 a month for game pass.
    This is as ignorant as saying Microsoft lost because Sony has made a ton of money on exclusives.

    God of War, for example, has sold over 19.5 million copies (as of 2021).  Multiply that by $50 (to be conservative), and that one game has made about a billion dollars.  For a non-GaaS single player game.

    Horizon: ZD has sold over 20 million.  It was released less than a year before GoW, so Sony was enjoying a scoop of both simultaneously.  Add in Spider-Man (33 million, also released 2018), and Sony's exclusives are literally raking in billions, just based on 3 releases within a year's time.

    Oh, and none of those games were GaaS multiplayer games.  Just good ole quality video game experiences.
    Still Xbox game pass is still the best value in gaming. 

    I have a ps 5 I never play cause I can spend all my free time on game pass games.

    Even if Xbox made call of duty exclusive there's a good chance it would just be on game pass anyway. 

    Sony needs to get over it. Chances are Microsoft will launch most games on multiple platforms anyways like they already do since game pass plays on PC really well. 

    I think things are going to get more competitive once Xbox gets their cloud gaming together better.
    Nothing about my post was discussing value to gamers, though.

    I buy PS exclusives, and I pay for Xbox Game Pass, though I may cancel it soon because I haven't seriously played anything available there in a month or so.  I happily paid the equivalent of 8 months of Game Pass just for GoW and Spider-Man.

    Cloud gaming won't matter much to those who enjoy PS exclusives.
    Maybe... But I haven't played any of those exclusives... And since Xbox has day 1 releases for a lot of cross platform titles sometimes I wonder the point of having a PlayStation at all.

    Last game I played on PS5 was spiderman and it couldn't hold my interest.

    Cloud gaming will make more games accessible with less buy in. Value does matter. I'd bet on Microsofts plan of diversifying a service rather than Sony's hope that they can keep franchises fresh. 



  • TheDalaiBombaTheDalaiBomba Member EpicPosts: 1,493
    Markn said:


    Microsoft can't win the console war, so they'll buy all the devs. P2W



    They already won it check the revenue they make from Game pass compared to what sony makes from its subscription service. Console sales dont drive the profit when you barely break even or lose money on everyone sold not when you have 30-40m people paying $15 a month for game pass.
    This is as ignorant as saying Microsoft lost because Sony has made a ton of money on exclusives.

    God of War, for example, has sold over 19.5 million copies (as of 2021).  Multiply that by $50 (to be conservative), and that one game has made about a billion dollars.  For a non-GaaS single player game.

    Horizon: ZD has sold over 20 million.  It was released less than a year before GoW, so Sony was enjoying a scoop of both simultaneously.  Add in Spider-Man (33 million, also released 2018), and Sony's exclusives are literally raking in billions, just based on 3 releases within a year's time.

    Oh, and none of those games were GaaS multiplayer games.  Just good ole quality video game experiences.
    Still Xbox game pass is still the best value in gaming. 

    I have a ps 5 I never play cause I can spend all my free time on game pass games.

    Even if Xbox made call of duty exclusive there's a good chance it would just be on game pass anyway. 

    Sony needs to get over it. Chances are Microsoft will launch most games on multiple platforms anyways like they already do since game pass plays on PC really well. 

    I think things are going to get more competitive once Xbox gets their cloud gaming together better.
    Nothing about my post was discussing value to gamers, though.

    I buy PS exclusives, and I pay for Xbox Game Pass, though I may cancel it soon because I haven't seriously played anything available there in a month or so.  I happily paid the equivalent of 8 months of Game Pass just for GoW and Spider-Man.

    Cloud gaming won't matter much to those who enjoy PS exclusives.
    Maybe... But I haven't played any of those exclusives... And since Xbox has day 1 releases for a lot of cross platform titles sometimes I wonder the point of having a PlayStation at all.

    Last game I played on PS5 was spiderman and it couldn't hold my interest.

    Cloud gaming will make more games accessible with less buy in. Value does matter. I'd bet on Microsofts plan of diversifying a service rather than Sony's hope that they can keep franchises fresh. 
    Maybe, but as a gamer, that $15 is currently 100% a waste.

    Not only that, but if I wanna revisit, say, H:ZD, I can do that at any time.  Not so with Game Pass, and they've already removed one game I was playing while I was still playing it.
  • TheDalaiBombaTheDalaiBomba Member EpicPosts: 1,493
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    I would also add here that exclusives have been a successful business model for this industry far longer than subscription services have, and there's already studies showing consumers growing frustrated from "subscription fatigue."

    Since more industries are entering the sub business, expect to see consumers become more and more selective about which subscriptions are worth their cash.  Microsoft is the first major player to the game, so they're enjoying that headstart.  It won't last forever, though.

    https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/streaming-subscription-fatigue-us-consumers-deloitte-study-1203166046/

    https://www.morningbrew.com/daily/stories/subscription-fatigue-inflation-cancellations
  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,197
    I would also add here that exclusives have been a successful business model for this industry far longer than subscription services have, and there's already studies showing consumers growing frustrated from "subscription fatigue."

    Since more industries are entering the sub business, expect to see consumers become more and more selective about which subscriptions are worth their cash.  Microsoft is the first major player to the game, so they're enjoying that headstart.  It won't last forever, though.

    https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/streaming-subscription-fatigue-us-consumers-deloitte-study-1203166046/

    https://www.morningbrew.com/daily/stories/subscription-fatigue-inflation-cancellations
    Maybe, but game pass hot over 25 million subs this year. Even if it trends down because of the economy I would expect it to skyrocket when blizzard and Bethesda games start hitting the service. 

    Even at the lowest sub point they aren't hurting for money on game pass.

    And I'd bet more people are willing to spend 10 or 15 bucks on a game instead of 50 even if it's just for a limited time. 
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  • TheDalaiBombaTheDalaiBomba Member EpicPosts: 1,493
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    I would also add here that exclusives have been a successful business model for this industry far longer than subscription services have, and there's already studies showing consumers growing frustrated from "subscription fatigue."

    Since more industries are entering the sub business, expect to see consumers become more and more selective about which subscriptions are worth their cash.  Microsoft is the first major player to the game, so they're enjoying that headstart.  It won't last forever, though.

    https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/streaming-subscription-fatigue-us-consumers-deloitte-study-1203166046/

    https://www.morningbrew.com/daily/stories/subscription-fatigue-inflation-cancellations
    Maybe, but game pass hot over 25 million subs this year. Even if it trends down because of the economy I would expect it to skyrocket when blizzard and Bethesda games start hitting the service. 

    Even at the lowest sub point they aren't hurting for money on game pass.

    And I'd bet more people are willing to spend 10 or 15 bucks on a game instead of 50 even if it's just for a limited time. 
    The equivalent about 3 New York state's worth of people gladly plopped down more than $15 for Horizon: Zero Dawn alone, likely while many paid $15 bucks to Microsoft.


    This is not an either/or situation.
  • BeastmasterbaitBeastmasterbait Newbie CommonPosts: 6
    I agree buying up $hit is kind of foul, but that is like a chipmunk calling out a squirrel for hoarding with a bunch of nuts in his mouth......

    One just seems to be better at it.......
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  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,197
    I would also add here that exclusives have been a successful business model for this industry far longer than subscription services have, and there's already studies showing consumers growing frustrated from "subscription fatigue."

    Since more industries are entering the sub business, expect to see consumers become more and more selective about which subscriptions are worth their cash.  Microsoft is the first major player to the game, so they're enjoying that headstart.  It won't last forever, though.

    https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/streaming-subscription-fatigue-us-consumers-deloitte-study-1203166046/

    https://www.morningbrew.com/daily/stories/subscription-fatigue-inflation-cancellations
    Maybe, but game pass hot over 25 million subs this year. Even if it trends down because of the economy I would expect it to skyrocket when blizzard and Bethesda games start hitting the service. 

    Even at the lowest sub point they aren't hurting for money on game pass.

    And I'd bet more people are willing to spend 10 or 15 bucks on a game instead of 50 even if it's just for a limited time. 
    The equivalent about 3 New York state's worth of people gladly plopped down more than $15 for Horizon: Zero Dawn alone, likely while many paid $15 bucks to Microsoft.


    This is not an either/or situation.
    That isn't either or, but when starfield releases it will be.

    Game pass is 25 million subs every month, day one games going to game pass might seem like a misstep if you expect that games like starfield would sell 10s of millions of copies. But it evens out in the end.

    Even if they increased the prices to 15 and 20 a month it would still be worth it. 



  • TheDalaiBombaTheDalaiBomba Member EpicPosts: 1,493
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    I would also add here that exclusives have been a successful business model for this industry far longer than subscription services have, and there's already studies showing consumers growing frustrated from "subscription fatigue."

    Since more industries are entering the sub business, expect to see consumers become more and more selective about which subscriptions are worth their cash.  Microsoft is the first major player to the game, so they're enjoying that headstart.  It won't last forever, though.

    https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/streaming-subscription-fatigue-us-consumers-deloitte-study-1203166046/

    https://www.morningbrew.com/daily/stories/subscription-fatigue-inflation-cancellations
    Maybe, but game pass hot over 25 million subs this year. Even if it trends down because of the economy I would expect it to skyrocket when blizzard and Bethesda games start hitting the service. 

    Even at the lowest sub point they aren't hurting for money on game pass.

    And I'd bet more people are willing to spend 10 or 15 bucks on a game instead of 50 even if it's just for a limited time. 
    The equivalent about 3 New York state's worth of people gladly plopped down more than $15 for Horizon: Zero Dawn alone, likely while many paid $15 bucks to Microsoft.


    This is not an either/or situation.
    That isn't either or, but when starfield releases it will be.

    Game pass is 25 million subs every month, day one games going to game pass might seem like a misstep if you expect that games like starfield would sell 10s of millions of copies. But it evens out in the end.

    Even if they increased the prices to 15 and 20 a month it would still be worth it. 
    Why would it be when Starfield releases?

    I'd be willing to bet a lot of people who will sub to Game Pass for Starfield will also pay for Miles Morales when it hits PC.

    I will be one of them, because I see no need to take a side here or act as if either company has anything more than profit off of me in mind.  It's really not worth it to fanboy for either.  If Microsoft thinks it could squeeze folks for $60 on top of Game Pass because they have great enough exclusive, they're not going to avoid it out of the goodness of their hearts.  The ONLY reason they're leaning into Game Pass is because they see it as their most profitable model based on their current situation (READ: they think they can squeeze the most money out of you via Game Pass).
  • DattelisDattelis Member EpicPosts: 1,675
    All this while PC gamers eventually get the best of both worlds. It took time but PC gamers are finally getting some of the respect they deserve.
    TheDalaiBomba
  • JeroKaneJeroKane Member EpicPosts: 7,098
    edited September 2022

    Vrika said:



    How about you just agree to a deal of no more exclusives. Forever. What do ya say to that Sony Playstation? One who cries about others having exclusives while advocating exclusives for itself.


    Every console has its own exclusives, and that in itself is not a problem.

    It only becomes an issue if one of the console makers does $70 billion purchase for option to make games exclusives. That would quickly lead to a situation where Sony would also need to do $70 billion purchase to keep competitive. And eventually if it's not checked by officials, Microsoft has enough money that they can win the console war simply by purchasing enough devs who are currently developing Playstation games.



    Sony has been buying up studios like mad in the last 2 decades, all for the sole purpose to make exclusives for Playstation. So please. It was Sony that started this excluves race in the first place.

    Just because ActiVision is bigger and thus cost more to buy. Most of Blizzard's games are PC only still, with few being cross-platform (Diablo, Overwatch). World of Warcraft is PC only.
    ActiVision's big franchise is basically Call of Duty.

    There is still Battlefield franchise for Sony to snatch up, if they are so worried. lol.
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  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 8,178
    Competition is healthy for us the consumer.

  • WordsworthWordsworth Member UncommonPosts: 173
    "Please EU and UK, even though almost all your game publishers are owned by CCP or shady EU holdings firms, please save the console market leader from the distant third because we wildly mismanaged our other electronics production sectors and we'll go belly-up if the Call of Duty that we used to pay for exclusive content for ourselves becomes exclusive to someone else"

    ...also

    "Stay tuned for our new exclusive, Destiny 3!"
  • TheDalaiBombaTheDalaiBomba Member EpicPosts: 1,493
    edited September 2022
    JeroKane said:

    Vrika said:



    How about you just agree to a deal of no more exclusives. Forever. What do ya say to that Sony Playstation? One who cries about others having exclusives while advocating exclusives for itself.


    Every console has its own exclusives, and that in itself is not a problem.

    It only becomes an issue if one of the console makers does $70 billion purchase for option to make games exclusives. That would quickly lead to a situation where Sony would also need to do $70 billion purchase to keep competitive. And eventually if it's not checked by officials, Microsoft has enough money that they can win the console war simply by purchasing enough devs who are currently developing Playstation games.



    Sony has been buying up studios like mad in the last 2 decades, all for the sole purpose to make exclusives for Playstation. So please. It was Sony that started this excluves race in the first place.

    Just because ActiVision is bigger and thus cost more to buy. Most of Blizzard's games are PC only still, with few being cross-platform (Diablo, Overwatch). World of Warcraft is PC only.
    ActiVision's big franchise is basically Call of Duty.

    There is still Battlefield franchise for Sony to snatch up, if they are so worried. lol.
    That's not how regulation works.

    It doesn't work based on your feelings about past business deals.  It works based on an assessment of the current deal's effects on the market.  Sony could purchase 1472666199476264 studios if they like, and that wouldn't mean shit to this deal save for how it affects Sony's ability to compete should Microsoft acquire AB.  Sorry, but that's just the reality.  So these comments about how Sony has been doing this or that are completely useless and irrelevant to the discussion of how this deal might effect the market.

    And stop acting like the Sony boss was ever going to come out in favor of his console losing access to a popular franchise.  Microsoft would argue the exact same thing if the roles were reversed here.  And honestly, if they did anything but argue that point, they'd be violating their responsibility to shareholders.

    Past deals made by Sony were also likely reviewed.  You folks really need to take the emotion out of this, because it's clouding your vision.

    The only really appropriate objective response to this news blurb is: Well, yea.  Of course Sony was going to argue that.  I would, too, if I were running that business.
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