In other words, wating for them to make something of a MMO that is still really in EA.
No, this really is the launch state of the game. Future expectations for it should be based on that fact rather than the optimistic hope it is otherwise.
But, this was launched in early access for SURE.
A game can not be launched and in early access both.
Those states are mutually exclusive.
A game can be launched too early, but for that to happen it must actually first launch and then generally be seen to have done so too soon.
In other words, wating for them to make something of a MMO that is still really in EA.
No, this really is the launch state of the game. Future expectations for it should be based on that fact rather than the optimistic hope it is otherwise.
But, this was launched in early access for SURE.
A game can not be launched and in early access both.
Those states are mutually exclusive.
A game can be launched too early, but for that to happen it must actually first launch and then generally be seen to have done so too soon.
I think many studios are now calling their EA a launch, like this one. Many of us predicted that EA would cause such problems and here we are.
Playing this game from 25-35 is so bad its basically torture, 35 to 50? LOL I doubt you can describe that. People would have to be paid for that I expect.
Well, 90% of New World players quit around level 30 or so back at launch so at least Embers is in good company.
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What this game is likely, is some EQ1 Project 1999 guild that made their own game for their own guild, or at least this is that it feels like. You know, some guild who played P99 and decided that game held your hand too much.
I don't think anyone on the current Dev team even a little EQ guild experience other than the streamer. Seems as if the people that had experience in gaming actually left with the CEO exit.
The current team didn't start dabbling into MMO's until just recently.
This team came from a D&D tabletop background that wanted to turn that concept into a video game. I think they didn't understand that MMO's were already doing that.
When your entire MMO gaming experience involves leveling a ranger to level 5, then you try to build an MMO video game. This is what you end up with.
If I am recalling correctly many of the founders played LOTRO together, but not sure what their gaming background was prior to that.
As they used to prominently say they were a group of gamers with no experience in making games who pressed on just to prove the naysayers were wrong.
Saying Embers was built on a shoestring budget is probably understating things tremendously.
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What this game is likely, is some EQ1 Project 1999 guild that made their own game for their own guild, or at least this is that it feels like. You know, some guild who played P99 and decided that game held your hand too much.
I don't think anyone on the current Dev team even a little EQ guild experience other than the streamer. Seems as if the people that had experience in gaming actually left with the CEO exit.
The current team didn't start dabbling into MMO's until just recently.
This team came from a D&D tabletop background that wanted to turn that concept into a video game. I think they didn't understand that MMO's were already doing that.
When your entire MMO gaming experience involves leveling a ranger to level 5, then you try to build an MMO video game. This is what you end up with.
If I am recalling correctly many of the founders played LOTRO together, but not sure what their gaming background was prior to that.
As they used to prominently say they were a group of gamers with no experience in making games who pressed on just to prove the naysayers were wrong.
Saying Embers was built on a shoestring budget is probably understating things tremendously.
You just don't hear much about staff playing their MMO these days, that used to be a big thing, its importance seemed to die out quite a bit even before streamers started. Since they have become a phenomenon, I can't remember any article or so on mentioning staff playing any MMO.
In other words, wating for them to make something of a MMO that is still really in EA.
No, this really is the launch state of the game. Future expectations for it should be based on that fact rather than the optimistic hope it is otherwise.
But, this was launched in early access for SURE.
A game can not be launched and in early access both.
Those states are mutually exclusive.
A game can be launched too early, but for that to happen it must actually first launch and then generally be seen to have done so too soon.
I think many studios are now calling their EA a launch, like this one. Many of us predicted that EA would cause such problems and here we are.
The early access for Alpha and Beta Backers is clearly detailed as is the launch date and time. Once a game has been declared launched by the developers it is so.
There is no room for creative interpretation here.
The early access for Alpha and Beta Backers is clearly detailed as is the launch date and time. Once a game has been declared launched by the developers it is so.
There is no room for creative interpretation here.
I don't think you are getting what I am saying here, they are calling this a launch, but it is not in a complete enough state to launch, so this is still really an EA or beta. It is fine to qualify this more, you might say "For a launch it is unpolished and lacking content etc". For the sake of simplicity, I say "It really still an EA."
If you are getting at where it goes from here, well as it is not in an EA it won't see as much development as we could hope if it still were. But we have seen how long EA's can last and how little can get done, hello Valhiem. So, saying something is really EA does not indicate we can expect loads of new development soon.
What this game is likely, is some EQ1 Project 1999 guild that made their own game for their own guild, or at least this is that it feels like. You know, some guild who played P99 and decided that game held your hand too much.
I don't think anyone on the current Dev team even a little EQ guild experience other than the streamer. Seems as if the people that had experience in gaming actually left with the CEO exit.
The current team didn't start dabbling into MMO's until just recently.
This team came from a D&D tabletop background that wanted to turn that concept into a video game. I think they didn't understand that MMO's were already doing that.
When your entire MMO gaming experience involves leveling a ranger to level 5, then you try to build an MMO video game. This is what you end up with.
If I am recalling correctly many of the founders played LOTRO together, but not sure what their gaming background was prior to that.
As they used to prominently say they were a group of gamers with no experience in making games who pressed on just to prove the naysayers were wrong.
Saying Embers was built on a shoestring budget is probably understating things tremendously.
You just don't hear much about staff playing their MMO these days, that used to be a big thing, its importance seemed to die out quite a bit even before streamers started. Since they have become a phenomenon, I can't remember any article or so on mentioning staff playing any MMO.
In the early days of MMORPGS there were some famous incidents of developers misbehaving in their own games.
I recall one UO dev was caught selling I'm game items on eBay and around 2005 or so an EVE Dev gave rare Blue Print Originals to his Corp BOB.
CCP only the last few years let their devs play again and under strict rules about what corporations they could join.
These stories and more often led to developers being prohibited from playing their own games, probably a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater though.
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A game can not be launched and in early access both.
Those states are mutually exclusive.
A meaningless distinction these days where labels like pre-alpha, alpha, beta, early access, and launched are used willy-nilly by developers.
If a game is open for anyone to play and they're charging money for playing or buying things in the cash shop, it has launched. Period.
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The early access for Alpha and Beta Backers is clearly detailed as is the launch date and time. Once a game has been declared launched by the developers it is so.
There is no room for creative interpretation here.
I don't think you are getting what I am saying here, they are calling this a launch, but it is not in a complete enough state to launch, so this is still really an EA or beta. It is fine to qualify this more, you might say "For a launch it is unpolished and lacking content etc". For the sake of simplicity, I say "It really still an EA."
If you are getting at where it goes from here, well as it is not in an EA it won't see as much development as we could hope if it still were. But we have seen how long EA's can last and how little can get done, hello Valhiem. So, saying something is really EA does not indicate we can expect loads of new development soon.
The game is launched. You can say otherwise for the sake of simplicity but only at the cost of inaccuracy. I'm not talking about where it may go but where it has already gone.
Where it may go is uncertain but if they don't secure at least enough ongoing revenue to sustain development it will most likely be away.
A game can not be launched and in early access both.
Those states are mutually exclusive.
A meaningless distinction these days where labels like pre-alpha, alpha, beta, early access, and launched are used willy-nilly by developers.
If a game is open for anyone to play and they're charging money for playing or buying things in the cash shop, it has launched. Period.
This was the criteria that Bill set back in the day, if players are buying in game items, its launched. This was due to studios stretching when they had launched as they did not want a review at that stage. Crowd funding put a spanner in the works, it is harder to say when they have "launched". EA while it was originally for something we would call "beta" rapidly became the go to method to get a cash injection while still developing at any stage.
The words "concept" to launched" are now spun out in a way that defies attempts to define them and that's sometimes the idea. This is not all done to hoodwink players, studios can't use a crystal ball to say where they will be in a years' time, but abuse of these terms does occur.
The problem is using a name alpha, beta, early access, released are meaningless, because devs have purposely used these terms to describe their games and have gotten away with it, even when they don't meet the old standard widely used definitions of these game stage of development.
So now if someone says a game launched in alpha. Its implied that they think the state of the game is equivalent to the definition of alpha stage.
Clearly everyone knows you can release a guy jumping up and down, sell ZERO copies but if its released its not in alpha. So a little common sense being used, someone can figure out that people are trying to give others a common definition of the equivalent current STATE of the game.
Embers Adrift is easily in an ALPHA stage of development. Almost all if not ALL of its systems are not complete. Much of its content is not even finished. Which means it will release untested zones at some point to finish the content to level 50. Who knows if they will ever even release end game content, that would assume the company even exists in 6 months which is unknown. Almost all of its game loops are more basic than any MMO I have ever seen. So this game is one of the lowest content MMO's ever released.
I am curious if there was ever a PVE focused MMO "released" with less skills, armor, mobs types or game loops EVER in the HISTORY of MMO's. Maybe an MMO exists but this game has to be in a rare category. Even full PVP MMO's have more stuff other than PVP than this game.
The problem is using a name alpha, beta, early access, released are meaningless, because devs have purposely used these terms to describe their games and have gotten away with it, even when they don't meet the old standard widely used definitions of these game stage of development.
So now if someone says a game launched in alpha. Its implied that they think the state of the game is equivalent to the definition of alpha stage.
Clearly everyone knows you can release a guy jumping up and down, sell ZERO copies but if its released its not in alpha. So a little common sense being used, someone can figure out that people are trying to give others a common definition of the equivalent current STATE of the game.
Embers Adrift is easily in an ALPHA stage of development. Almost all if not ALL of its systems are not complete. Much of its content is not even finished. Which means it will release untested zones at some point to finish the content to level 50. Who knows if they will ever even release end game content, that would assume the company even exists in 6 months which is unknown. Almost all of its game loops are more basic than any MMO I have ever seen. So this game is one of the lowest content MMO's ever released.
I am curious if there was ever a PVE focused MMO "released" with less skills, armor, mobs types or game loops EVER in the HISTORY of MMO's. Maybe an MMO exists but this game has to be in a rare category. Even full PVP MMO's have more stuff other than PVP than this game.
I'm starting to think Missile Command had more content than Embers.
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Those states are mutually exclusive.
A game can be launched too early, but for that to happen it must actually first launch and then generally be seen to have done so too soon.
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As they used to prominently say they were a group of gamers with no experience in making games who pressed on just to prove the naysayers were wrong.
Saying Embers was built on a shoestring budget is probably understating things tremendously.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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I don't see this to be particularly ambiguous:
There is no room for creative interpretation here.
If you are getting at where it goes from here, well as it is not in an EA it won't see as much development as we could hope if it still were. But we have seen how long EA's can last and how little can get done, hello Valhiem. So, saying something is really EA does not indicate we can expect loads of new development soon.
I recall one UO dev was caught selling I'm game items on eBay and around 2005 or so an EVE Dev gave rare Blue Print Originals to his Corp BOB.
CCP only the last few years let their devs play again and under strict rules about what corporations they could join.
These stories and more often led to developers being prohibited from playing their own games, probably a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater though.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
If a game is open for anyone to play and they're charging money for playing or buying things in the cash shop, it has launched. Period.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
The game is launched. You can say otherwise for the sake of simplicity but only at the cost of inaccuracy. I'm not talking about where it may go but where it has already gone.
Where it may go is uncertain but if they don't secure at least enough ongoing revenue to sustain development it will most likely be away.
The words "concept" to launched" are now spun out in a way that defies attempts to define them and that's sometimes the idea. This is not all done to hoodwink players, studios can't use a crystal ball to say where they will be in a years' time, but abuse of these terms does occur.
So now if someone says a game launched in alpha. Its implied that they think the state of the game is equivalent to the definition of alpha stage.
Clearly everyone knows you can release a guy jumping up and down, sell ZERO copies but if its released its not in alpha. So a little common sense being used, someone can figure out that people are trying to give others a common definition of the equivalent current STATE of the game.
Embers Adrift is easily in an ALPHA stage of development. Almost all if not ALL of its systems are not complete. Much of its content is not even finished. Which means it will release untested zones at some point to finish the content to level 50. Who knows if they will ever even release end game content, that would assume the company even exists in 6 months which is unknown. Almost all of its game loops are more basic than any MMO I have ever seen. So this game is one of the lowest content MMO's ever released.
I am curious if there was ever a PVE focused MMO "released" with less skills, armor, mobs types or game loops EVER in the HISTORY of MMO's. Maybe an MMO exists but this game has to be in a rare category. Even full PVP MMO's have more stuff other than PVP than this game.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
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