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World of Warcraft: Dragonflight Review | MMORPG.com

SystemSystem Member UncommonPosts: 12,599
edited December 2022 in News & Features Discussion

imageWorld of Warcraft: Dragonflight Review | MMORPG.com

It's been three weeks since Dragonflight, the newest expansion for World of Warcraft launched; with the first Season of content and raiding well underway, it is time to finally put a number to this expansion. How does it stack up? Here's our review of World of Warcraft: Dragonflight.

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  • CelciusCelcius Member RarePosts: 1,878
    Really great expansion where they finally listened to the community. It took about 4 full expansion cycles to get here, but we made it! Hopefully they carry it forward. (Seems like they are even just based on the updates they have done since launch / PTR)
    TokkenViper482
  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,203
    Yup!

    Amazing ...

    Wait, aren't you the same guy who gave Shadowlands also 9 ? https://www.mmorpg.com/reviews/world-of-warcraft-shadowlands-review-2000120441

    Literally, you cannot be taken serious at this point. Giving Shadowlands 9.0 , one of the worst expansion ever, and this one also a 9 .. well, cool story bro.

    Unless, history repeats right? You gave Shadowlands 9 and it turns one of the worst. That's more likely to also happen to Dragonflight.

    Great!
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  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,203

    Celcius said:

    Really great expansion where they finally listened to the community. It took about 4 full expansion cycles to get here, but we made it! Hopefully they carry it forward. (Seems like they are even just based on the updates they have done since launch / PTR)



    Enlighten me, what makes this expansion SO good? And 4 Expansions? Legion would like to have a word with you..
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  • Pher0ciousPher0cious Member RarePosts: 529
    9/20 that is

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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,429
    edited December 2022
    IceAge said:
    Yup!

    Amazing ...

    Wait, aren't you the same guy who gave Shadowlands also 9 ? https://www.mmorpg.com/reviews/world-of-warcraft-shadowlands-review-2000120441

    Literally, you cannot be taken serious at this point. Giving Shadowlands 9.0 , one of the worst expansion ever, and this one also a 9 .. well, cool story bro.

    Unless, history repeats right? You gave Shadowlands 9 and it turns one of the worst. That's more likely to also happen to Dragonflight.

    Great!
    That "Bro" Robin has been with us quite a few years, and this expansion is getting a 79 on MC. Now I know that's not a 9, but it is hardly the worst ever score is it? Shadowlands got an 83 at MC by the way. Not saying that sets it in stone, just that it is not a million miles away from Robin's score.

    I don't know what it is about WoW expansions but they get the most love and hate of any I have ever seen. :)
    TokkenViper482
  • TalraekkTalraekk Member UncommonPosts: 297
    At least on this site, I've been on the record for my criticism of this xpac. It does ALOT right, and handily gets rid of that scummy Shadowlands aftertaste. But, and I dunno, got drunk didn't play, whatever, finished this expacs content WELL within a week. Doing draenor dailies. And Shadowlands dailies. Because while this xpac does a lot right, it gives you an inch then says "Nope, no more fun for you. Maybe a little midweek but wait till next week". I've never seen anything like it. Maybe at the END of an expansion, where you expect a content drought, but seriously, I log in daily go to each zone and go "Oh God" then move on because there isn't anything to do.
    Isle flying IS fun. P{rofession revamps (but only for current xpac?) is decent. Not having ANY orders even though I've been near maxxed prof wise since the beginning (why even have the quests(s)). You'll have fun. For a week. Then it's back to attempting to find a worthy nowadays mmo.
  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,203
    Scot said:
    IceAge said:
    Yup!

    Amazing ...

    Wait, aren't you the same guy who gave Shadowlands also 9 ? https://www.mmorpg.com/reviews/world-of-warcraft-shadowlands-review-2000120441

    Literally, you cannot be taken serious at this point. Giving Shadowlands 9.0 , one of the worst expansion ever, and this one also a 9 .. well, cool story bro.

    Unless, history repeats right? You gave Shadowlands 9 and it turns one of the worst. That's more likely to also happen to Dragonflight.

    Great!
    That "Bro" Robin has been with us quite a few years, and this expansion is getting a 79 on MC. Now I know that's not a 9, but it is hardly the worst ever score is it? Shadowlands got an 83 at MC by the way. Not saying that sets it stone, just that it is not a million miles away from Robin's score.

    I don't know what it is about WoW expansions but they get the most love and hate of any I have ever seen. :)
    Problem is, who writes this reviews and for what..?

    What matters is users score. On MC it currently sits at 4.4 out of 10 which is exactly in line with other x-pacs , such as BfA and Shadowlands. Shadowlands has a 2.9 out of 10 in User Score on Metacritic. I assume DF will be sitting at around the same score. 

    Plus its been 3 weeks since the release of DF, and no .. Units Sold ..yet. As a comparation, in Shadowlands, they announce after like 2 weeks that they sold 3.7 mil....within 24h.

    ..but if you ask me, Ion Hazzikostas is guilty for everything Retail related in the last 3 expansions. 
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  • theGnadetheGnade Member UncommonPosts: 147
    Are you sh#tting me. Just because you compared latest expansion to last expansion, doesnt make new expansion as good as Wotlk.
    Viper482
  • SaruomoSaruomo Member UncommonPosts: 140
    edited December 2022
    The pros listed sound too basic and barebones and are to be expected. Nothing groundbreaking or innovative or really new and worth the time. I don’t play mmos to fly in the air using what feels like a speed hack. Mmos are about exploration, a journey of fun and challenging experiences and community building activities none of which exist in WoW. Sounds like a paid ad rather than a review. 4/10 Whatever is “new” is just a new paint job.
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  • ArleeArlee Member UncommonPosts: 166

    IceAge said:

    Yup!



    Amazing ...



    Wait, aren't you the same guy who gave Shadowlands also 9 ? https://www.mmorpg.com/reviews/world-of-warcraft-shadowlands-review-2000120441



    Literally, you cannot be taken serious at this point. Giving Shadowlands 9.0 , one of the worst expansion ever, and this one also a 9 .. well, cool story bro.



    Unless, history repeats right? You gave Shadowlands 9 and it turns one of the worst. That's more likely to also happen to Dragonflight.



    Great!



    I will refer you back to my opening paragraph and closing paragraph. What we don’t currently know is content pace and what will come with subsequent patches.

    Shadowlands biggest failings had to do with the phenomenally slow patch cycle and issues which came up in later patches. Leveling the first time, and having any alternate path for alts was great initially. The first raid was also great. There were definitely some pain points. Unfortunately the way the industry works, we can’t wait until the end of an expansion to score it. Obviously it would not have been a 9 at the end. But like I said, that isn’t how any of this works.
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  • ArleeArlee Member UncommonPosts: 166

    Saruomo said:

    The pros listed sound too basic and barebones and are to be expected. Nothing groundbreaking or innovative or really new and worth the time. I don’t play mmos to fly in the air. Mmos are about exploration, a journey of fun and challenging experiences and community building activities none of which exist in WoW. Sounds like a paid ad rather than a review. 4/10



    Pros & cons by their nature have to be short and therefore cannot go into much detail. Try reading the whole review if you want more in-depth things. Additionally, you vastly underestimating how fundamentally dragonriding has improve exploration if for no other reason it allows the to make vastly larger zones and make zones much more vertical than they have been in the past. Thus, greatly increasing the amount there is to explore.
    TokkenSplattremperorhades1
  • GroqstrongGroqstrong Member RarePosts: 826
    Users that tend to score games are the one that have a gripe about itand would be the first to run to a survey.  I wouldnt put to much stock into users reviews.  There is plenty of video content for anyone on the fence to go see and determine if its a game you want to play.
    Sovrath
  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member EpicPosts: 6,057
    edited December 2022
    IceAge said:
    Yup!

    Amazing ...

    Wait, aren't you the same guy who gave Shadowlands also 9 ? https://www.mmorpg.com/reviews/world-of-warcraft-shadowlands-review-2000120441

    Literally, you cannot be taken serious at this point. Giving Shadowlands 9.0 , one of the worst expansion ever, and this one also a 9 .. well, cool story bro.

    Unless, history repeats right? You gave Shadowlands 9 and it turns one of the worst. That's more likely to also happen to Dragonflight.

    Great!
    Asmongold went back to look at his initial thoughts on Shadowlands and it was good at the time.  He said it took a while to realize how bad it was.

    This expansion sounds like  a course correction and can't really do much more than improve on Shadowlands.

    On a side note, Blizzard emailed me that I'd get a free month sub if I bought Dragonflight.  I deleted the email.
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  • TokkenTokken Member EpicPosts: 3,650
    I moved on to Turtle WoW...there is much more creativity and fun.

    Blizzard is dead to me.
    Retail is dead to you.... not vanilla. I'm just stating the obvious. Just call me. Captain Obvious
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  • Viper482Viper482 Member LegendaryPosts: 4,101
    People love to hate WoW lol. The last two expansions were shit, this one is good. Get over it.
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  • IceAgeIceAge Member EpicPosts: 3,203

    Viper482 said:

    People love to hate WoW lol. The last two expansions were shit, this one is good. Get over it.



    We will talk in max 2 months. There is zero ( if you want I can spell that to you ) new content in DF. Z E R O.

    I keep hearing "DF is very good" , "DF has lots of things to do" .. from people like you. I always ask them to tell me what "lots of things" they are talking about and "how is DF good". All of them fail to tell me exactly. Just your usual "But .. is amazing. You can do so much more..".

    Tell me with a straight face : How well do you know each zone? lol. And tell me all the zone names without google it.
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  • GroqstrongGroqstrong Member RarePosts: 826

    IceAge said:



    Viper482 said:


    People love to hate WoW lol. The last two expansions were shit, this one is good. Get over it.






    We will talk in max 2 months. There is zero ( if you want I can spell that to you ) new content in DF. Z E R O.



    I keep hearing "DF is very good" , "DF has lots of things to do" .. from people like you. I always ask them to tell me what "lots of things" they are talking about and "how is DF good". All of them fail to tell me exactly. Just your usual "But .. is amazing. You can do so much more..".



    Tell me with a straight face : How well do you know each zone? lol. And tell me all the zone names without google it.



    I have to disagree with you. All the content is brand new, you have never played any of the content prior to it launching. Are they short on new ideas? Perhaps. However with the vast years of MMORPG'ing i have yet to see an mmorpg reinvent the wheel. If you want me to list some of the new things here goes.

    1) New race
    2) New class
    3) New talent trees
    4) New solo rated
    5) New crafting systems
    6) alt friendly leveling
    7) New Gear
    8) Dragon Flying
    9) New Story
    10) New Zone

    Will the hype last probably not, but thats the state of gaming in general. People play and then move on.

    You really picking on someone that can't recall the zones name off the top of their head lol.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    6) alt friendly leveling
    The review mentioned that leveling alts was nice, too.  I'd like more details on that.

    I last played WoW when Battle for Azeroth was the latest expansion, and leveling was a miserable experience then.  It's not that you couldn't do it.  It's that after you got your first heal (e.g., at level 6 or so, though it varies by class), everything was tuned to be way, way too easy.

    I understand that Shadowlands shortened the leveling process a lot, but I haven't seen anyone claim that it was fixed.  Shorter but still miserable isn't a fix.  I want playing a game to be fun, not something miserable that you have to slog through.

    Did Dragonflight do anything to fix that?  Or is leveling a new character still the same miserable experience of slogging through trivial content that it was a few years ago?
  • angerbeaverangerbeaver Member UncommonPosts: 1,273
    edited December 2022




    IceAge said:





    Viper482 said:



    People love to hate WoW lol. The last two expansions were shit, this one is good. Get over it.









    We will talk in max 2 months. There is zero ( if you want I can spell that to you ) new content in DF. Z E R O.





    I keep hearing "DF is very good" , "DF has lots of things to do" .. from people like you. I always ask them to tell me what "lots of things" they are talking about and "how is DF good". All of them fail to tell me exactly. Just your usual "But .. is amazing. You can do so much more..".





    Tell me with a straight face : How well do you know each zone? lol. And tell me all the zone names without google it.






    I have to disagree with you. All the content is brand new, you have never played any of the content prior to it launching. Are they short on new ideas? Perhaps. However with the vast years of MMORPG'ing i have yet to see an mmorpg reinvent the wheel. If you want me to list some of the new things here goes.



    1) New race

    2) New class

    3) New talent trees

    4) New solo rated

    5) New crafting systems

    6) alt friendly leveling

    7) New Gear

    8) Dragon Flying

    9) New Story

    10) New Zone



    Will the hype last probably not, but thats the state of gaming in general. People play and then move on.



    You really picking on someone that can't recall the zones name off the top of their head lol.



    1) New look
    2) New rotation
    3) Sure, part of #2
    4) Not WoW savvy enough to know this one, sorry
    5) Okay, this might be something!
    6) Well, not exactly new content. they just let you level faster?
    7) Okay, but it's going to be the same content just new fashion and numbers
    8) New method of flying, but flying itself is already there if I remember Outlands correctly
    9) again, i dont know if i count this as something new per se. The new Cinematics I am sure will be cool, but I thought the original comment meant mechanics
    10) See #9

    I think #4 possibly and #5 would count as new. I don't recall how much aside from raiders care about crafting in WoW. I last played during Cata so I been out of it forever. I do think from time to time to going back and taking a look around :)


    Edit: I guess all of it could be new since he used the word "content". Mechanics came to mind when I read that and I just went from that perspective, incorrectly it seems
    AndemnonSaruomo
  • ACommonMuggerACommonMugger Member RarePosts: 563
    No discussion of the upcoming Trading Post? Essentially a Battle Pass to the largest MMO?

    That alone should bring the score down to a solid 7.
    corrosivechainsAndemnon
  • GroqstrongGroqstrong Member RarePosts: 826
    Quizzical said:
    6) alt friendly leveling
    The review mentioned that leveling alts was nice, too.  I'd like more details on that.

    I last played WoW when Battle for Azeroth was the latest expansion, and leveling was a miserable experience then.  It's not that you couldn't do it.  It's that after you got your first heal (e.g., at level 6 or so, though it varies by class), everything was tuned to be way, way too easy.

    I understand that Shadowlands shortened the leveling process a lot, but I haven't seen anyone claim that it was fixed.  Shorter but still miserable isn't a fix.  I want playing a game to be fun, not something miserable that you have to slog through.

    Did Dragonflight do anything to fix that?  Or is leveling a new character still the same miserable experience of slogging through trivial content that it was a few years ago?
    I dont think you will find deep meaningful leveling experience, its the same as before just faster.  To me personally it doesnt bother me becauase i play WoW for the bgs and arenas.
    Andemnon
  • noxaeternusnoxaeternus Member UncommonPosts: 27
    Dragonriding moves it down to a 4. :P
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  • AngrakhanAngrakhan Member EpicPosts: 1,840
    edited December 2022
    I don't have a dog in this hunt because I'm not playing, but you can't really look at a whole new zone, new dungeons, a new raid, a new class, new race, new starter zone, and say 'no new content'.

    Straight from webster's

    the events, physical detail, and information in a work of art


    So there you go. It has new content by definition. Period. End of the stupid argument. You may not like the content. The content may be very derivative of previous content. You may find it boring, and unimaginative, but unless you enter the new zone and it's literally Shadowlands, then well... sorry... it's new content. It doesn't mean it's good. It doesn't mean it's worth the price of the xpac + sub, but it is new content.
    Sovrath
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