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Changing GPU, do I need tu update any other hardware?

treyu86treyu86 Member UncommonPosts: 270
Hello all,

I am going to receive a new gpu as christmas present, probably rtx 4080 (was looking at 3070ti but I guess 4080 is a better option). 

I was thinking that maybe my motherboard or cpu or psu, which have some years already, could be a bit of a bottleneck in performance, could someone tell me if that might be the case?

Motherboard: MSI Z370 Gaming Plus (MS-7B61)
CPU: Intel Core i5 8600K OC to 4200 Mhz
Power supply: 700W
16Gb DDR4 2133 RAM
Monitor: DELL ultrasharp U2515H IPS-LCD (I play at 2k, would probably think about trying 4k with the new gpu so I will look at 4k monitors sometime in the near future too haha).

Thanks in advance!


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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
    edited December 2022
    That CPU might end up being a bottleneck, but on the other hand your monitor is capable of only 60 Hz refresh rates and I doubt you'll be able to find any game that I5 8600K couldn't run comfortably at 60 FPS.

    I'd recommend just switch to a new GPU without upgrading anything else as long as you keep your current monitor. Upgrading CPU or other components might be something you want to do in the future if you also get monitor that can do more than 60 Hz refresh rates, but with your current monitor other upgrades don't seem necessary.

    EDIT: If the M.2 slot on your motherboard is free, you might also want to consider buying a new M.2 drive as additional fast storage space when you upgrade. M.2 drives have become a lot cheaper and faster since you bought your computer. But you've only got one M.2 slot on your motherboard, so this recommendation is only if that slot is still free

    EDIT 2: Some RTX 4080 GPUs have PSU recommendation of 750W. But those numbers are calculated using a CPU that's using a lot more power than I5-8600K, so a 700W PSU is fine for you. Provided that it was at least decent PSU when you bought it, so that it can actually deliver the 700W that it promises, you're fine with that PSU even if you switch to RTX 4080. If your PSU was cheapest 700W PSU available then you might want to upgrade it on the logic that some of the cheapest PSUs can't actually deliver what they promise.
    Post edited by Vrika on
     
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    A GeForce RTX 4080 is nominally rated at 320 W, but if you get a factory overclocked version, it might well use quite a bit more than that.  That plus an overclocked CPU might well be cutting it tight on power.  Exactly what power supply do you have, anyway?

    A lot depends on exactly what you get.  If you have a good quality 700 W power supply, drop the CPU overclock, and get a GPU that you know will stay inside of 300 W, you'll be fine on power with plenty of headroom.
  • treyu86treyu86 Member UncommonPosts: 270
    Quizzical said:
    A GeForce RTX 4080 is nominally rated at 320 W, but if you get a factory overclocked version, it might well use quite a bit more than that.  That plus an overclocked CPU might well be cutting it tight on power.  Exactly what power supply do you have, anyway?

    A lot depends on exactly what you get.  If you have a good quality 700 W power supply, drop the CPU overclock, and get a GPU that you know will stay inside of 300 W, you'll be fine on power with plenty of headroom.
    It is a BeQuiet! BQT E6-700W

    Motherboard would be fine then? thanks for helping!
  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
    edited December 2022
    treyu86 said:
    Quizzical said:
    A GeForce RTX 4080 is nominally rated at 320 W, but if you get a factory overclocked version, it might well use quite a bit more than that.  That plus an overclocked CPU might well be cutting it tight on power.  Exactly what power supply do you have, anyway?

    A lot depends on exactly what you get.  If you have a good quality 700 W power supply, drop the CPU overclock, and get a GPU that you know will stay inside of 300 W, you'll be fine on power with plenty of headroom.
    It is a BeQuiet! BQT E6-700W

    Motherboard would be fine then? thanks for helping!
    The motherboard is fine as long as you aren't changing CPU. If you switch CPU then you also need a new motherboard because your old one won't support new CPUs, but otherwise keep the motherboard you have.

    Is your PSU older than the rest of your computer? It was a bit hard to find any info about it from Google, and what I found was about a PSU that's supposed to have been in sale in 2009. If your PSU is more than a decade old, then I'd recommend replacing it when you switch your GPU. A PSU that old isn't reliable any more, plus tech has changed enough that connecting an old quad 12W rail PSU with a lot of obsolete connectors into a new RTX 4080 GPU might be challenging.
     
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    edited December 2022
    treyu86 said:
    Quizzical said:
    A GeForce RTX 4080 is nominally rated at 320 W, but if you get a factory overclocked version, it might well use quite a bit more than that.  That plus an overclocked CPU might well be cutting it tight on power.  Exactly what power supply do you have, anyway?

    A lot depends on exactly what you get.  If you have a good quality 700 W power supply, drop the CPU overclock, and get a GPU that you know will stay inside of 300 W, you'll be fine on power with plenty of headroom.
    It is a BeQuiet! BQT E6-700W

    Motherboard would be fine then? thanks for helping!
    https://manualsbrain.com/en/manuals/76049/

    That site says it only has two PCI-E power connectors.  You'll need three to plug in an RTX 4080.

    It might be okay with a new video card and it might not, but I wouldn't want to risk it in my own computer.  If it ends up not being okay, it could fry other hardware.

    Get a newer, better power supply and you don't have to worry about whether the power supply can handle the new video card.
    Champie
  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
    edited December 2022
    Quizzical said:
    treyu86 said:
    Quizzical said:
    A GeForce RTX 4080 is nominally rated at 320 W, but if you get a factory overclocked version, it might well use quite a bit more than that.  That plus an overclocked CPU might well be cutting it tight on power.  Exactly what power supply do you have, anyway?

    A lot depends on exactly what you get.  If you have a good quality 700 W power supply, drop the CPU overclock, and get a GPU that you know will stay inside of 300 W, you'll be fine on power with plenty of headroom.
    It is a BeQuiet! BQT E6-700W

    Motherboard would be fine then? thanks for helping!
    https://manualsbrain.com/en/manuals/76049/

    That site says it only has two PCI-E power connectors.  You'll need three to plug in an RTX 4080.

    It might be okay with a new video card and it might not, but I wouldn't want to risk it in my own computer.  If it ends up not being okay, it could fry other hardware.

    Get a newer, better power supply and you don't have to worry about whether the power supply can handle the new video card.
    You could also plug RTX 4080 with an extra 2x molex to 1x 8 pin PCI-e adapter and it might work. But there's also a risk that it might not work, and if you're unlucky enough then power delivery problems can even cause some damage. Considering how old the PSU likely is, I think there are too many risks and it would be stupid to try. It could work, but it should not be attempted. 
     
  • OG_SolareusOG_Solareus Member RarePosts: 1,041
    edited December 2022
    Going to have to upgrade your PSU  to 800+ and I would recommend getting one specifically built to handle the 4000series.  Any bottleneck in my opinion will be if your display is lower then 120hz  refresh-rate. I know people will make a big deal about bottlenecks at 200+fps on a display that is 233hz, it just silly.
  • treyu86treyu86 Member UncommonPosts: 270
    Going to have to upgrade your PSU  to 800+ and I would recommend getting one specifically built to handle the 4000series.  Any bottleneck in my opinion will be if your display is lower then 120hz  refresh-rate. I know people will make a big deal about bottlenecks at 200+fps on a display that is 233hz, it just silly.
     Got any recommendation for a not too expensive display with 120 hz? If you know one for 2k and other for 4k I would appreciate it, so I can compare. Thanks!
  • OG_SolareusOG_Solareus Member RarePosts: 1,041
    treyu86 said:
    Going to have to upgrade your PSU  to 800+ and I would recommend getting one specifically built to handle the 4000series.  Any bottleneck in my opinion will be if your display is lower then 120hz  refresh-rate. I know people will make a big deal about bottlenecks at 200+fps on a display that is 233hz, it just silly.
     Got any recommendation for a not too expensive display with 120 hz? If you know one for 2k and other for 4k I would appreciate it, so I can compare. Thanks!

    I pretty much just look at price when chosing a monitor xD

  • treyu86treyu86 Member UncommonPosts: 270
    treyu86 said:
    Going to have to upgrade your PSU  to 800+ and I would recommend getting one specifically built to handle the 4000series.  Any bottleneck in my opinion will be if your display is lower then 120hz  refresh-rate. I know people will make a big deal about bottlenecks at 200+fps on a display that is 233hz, it just silly.
     Got any recommendation for a not too expensive display with 120 hz? If you know one for 2k and other for 4k I would appreciate it, so I can compare. Thanks!

    I pretty much just look at price when chosing a monitor xD

    Haha ok. I just have not changed my monitor in so so many years that I am totally lost, that is why I asked haha. Thanks!
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    edited December 2022
    First, I'd highly recommend getting a new ATX 3.0 PSU -- specifically those that have native 12VHPWR connectors to go right to your new video card -- while there have been no reports of it occurring with a 4080, the adapters that go from older PSUs to the new 12VHPWR connector are what is failing, and in some cases melting in 4090's.

    That said, those will cost more, and are somewhat hard to find right now. I did find this one at a reasonable price and in stock, but I haven't researched to see if it's a decent PSU or not -- just an example:

    https://www.newegg.com/msi-mpg-a850g-pcie5-850-w/p/N82E16817701017

    Second, with respect to monitors:

    The "Standard" is the LG C2 OLED - anyone that's gamed on one swears by them. They support 120Hz, 4K, VRR (Freesync / G-Sync compatible), HDR, and are OLED for the best color / contrast / viewing angles and response time you can possibly get. They have been on fire sale recently (the next gen is probably about to be announced at CES), as low as $700 in places.

    The cons: It's OLED, so there is some risk of burn in, they only come in huge, huger, and hugest sizes (42" is the smallest one), and they are technically not a monitor, it's a TV that you can hook up via HDMI. Some people say text clarity suffers because of that.


    A link, for example. I didn't go searching for best price or anything:
    https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1696683-REG/lg_oled42c2pua_c2_42_oled_4k.html


    Apart from that, it's a matter of setting a budget - monitors range widely in price and capabilities, and they scale upwards very fast. I've had good luck with Dell monitors so far, but even there it's a very wide margin on what you will pay and what you will get.
  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 1,609
    edited December 2022
    Bottleneck detected! A complete upgrade advised.

    (That's as simple as it gets)
  • EldrachEldrach Member RarePosts: 464
    edited December 2022
    Will probably be a 20-30% bottleneck with that cpu - you won’t notice it as any game you’ll play will cap out the monitor at 60 fps. 
    If you’re looking to upgrade - a 13600k cpu and a cheaper B660 motherboard will do, keep the ddr4 memory and you’ll be able to upgrade for around 500 dollars
  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 1,609
    Eldrach said:
    Will probably be a 20-30% bottleneck with that cpu - you won’t notice it as any game you’ll play will cap out the monitor at 60 fps. 
    If you’re looking to upgrade - a 13600k cpu and a cheaper B660 motherboard will do, keep the ddr4 memory and you’ll be able to upgrade for around 500 dollars
    Don't know about the new intel, but it's generally wiser to go with AMD. As long as it's the same chipset, you can upgrade without changing the MoBo. So, I'd suggest AMD.
  • treyu86treyu86 Member UncommonPosts: 270
    Eldrach said:
    Will probably be a 20-30% bottleneck with that cpu - you won’t notice it as any game you’ll play will cap out the monitor at 60 fps. 
    If you’re looking to upgrade - a 13600k cpu and a cheaper B660 motherboard will do, keep the ddr4 memory and you’ll be able to upgrade for around 500 dollars
    mmm ok. Guess I will update those later. Thanks!
  • EldrachEldrach Member RarePosts: 464
    Gorwe said:
    Eldrach said:
    Will probably be a 20-30% bottleneck with that cpu - you won’t notice it as any game you’ll play will cap out the monitor at 60 fps. 
    If you’re looking to upgrade - a 13600k cpu and a cheaper B660 motherboard will do, keep the ddr4 memory and you’ll be able to upgrade for around 500 dollars
    Don't know about the new intel, but it's generally wiser to go with AMD. As long as it's the same chipset, you can upgrade without changing the MoBo. So, I'd suggest AMD.
    Depends - if he has an 8600k, which is 4 generations old (5 if you count current gen) - he’s likely to wait 4 more generations before switching - amd will swap socket in 2 generations, so doesn’t really matter. Besides - he’d need ddr5 memory + a ddr5 motherboard, making it much more expensive than 500 usd
  • treyu86treyu86 Member UncommonPosts: 270
    Eldrach said:
    Gorwe said:
    Eldrach said:
    Will probably be a 20-30% bottleneck with that cpu - you won’t notice it as any game you’ll play will cap out the monitor at 60 fps. 
    If you’re looking to upgrade - a 13600k cpu and a cheaper B660 motherboard will do, keep the ddr4 memory and you’ll be able to upgrade for around 500 dollars
    Don't know about the new intel, but it's generally wiser to go with AMD. As long as it's the same chipset, you can upgrade without changing the MoBo. So, I'd suggest AMD.
    Depends - if he has an 8600k, which is 4 generations old (5 if you count current gen) - he’s likely to wait 4 more generations before switching - amd will swap socket in 2 generations, so doesn’t really matter. Besides - he’d need ddr5 memory + a ddr5 motherboard, making it much more expensive than 500 usd
    So no problem if I keep my ddr4 2133 ram with that motherboard (b660) and cpu (13600k)? 
  • EldrachEldrach Member RarePosts: 464
    treyu86 said:
    Eldrach said:
    Gorwe said:
    Eldrach said:
    Will probably be a 20-30% bottleneck with that cpu - you won’t notice it as any game you’ll play will cap out the monitor at 60 fps. 
    If you’re looking to upgrade - a 13600k cpu and a cheaper B660 motherboard will do, keep the ddr4 memory and you’ll be able to upgrade for around 500 dollars
    Don't know about the new intel, but it's generally wiser to go with AMD. As long as it's the same chipset, you can upgrade without changing the MoBo. So, I'd suggest AMD.
    Depends - if he has an 8600k, which is 4 generations old (5 if you count current gen) - he’s likely to wait 4 more generations before switching - amd will swap socket in 2 generations, so doesn’t really matter. Besides - he’d need ddr5 memory + a ddr5 motherboard, making it much more expensive than 500 usd
    So no problem if I keep my ddr4 2133 ram with that motherboard (b660) and cpu (13600k)? 
    Nope, should work fine - of course, not the fastest memory, but it’ll do
    treyu86
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    Gorwe said:
    Bottleneck detected! A complete upgrade advised.

    (That's as simple as it gets)
    There is always a bottleneck somewhere.
    Gorwe
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Ridelynn said:
    Gorwe said:
    Bottleneck detected! A complete upgrade advised.

    (That's as simple as it gets)
    There is always a bottleneck somewhere.
    To that I'll add, if there weren't a bottleneck, your frame rate would be infinite.
    Ridelynn
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