For the sake of mmos we need Ashes of Creation to be good (western)

delete5230

It seems Ashes of Creations is the only mmorpg that could be a major driving force to insure survival.

"Like it or not" we need this western title to prosper and show both the community and more so CRAPPY DEVELOPMENT OF OTHERS.
We need a western title to show it can still be done or mmorpgs could turn into a thing of the past. 

To make a long story short:
Western development needs to be "embarrassed and shamed" into creating a good mmorpgs.  


Enough of the crap Asian monetary stuff to suck us dry, they suck any. 

Kyleran

 Doubtful this one is your style of MMORPG and has many things stacked against it's success.

But still, one can hope I suppose.

delete5230

That's not the point me liking it.... however it being well made, excepted, populated and over all liked.  
 
-Help for survival of mmorpgs
-Put the crappy "know it all" developers in their place. 
-Give us a western game. 

I may not like it, it may not be my style..... But we need good mmorpg to show developers that their is a market, BUT IT NEEDS A REAL MMORPG. . 

None of their shit ideas, because their ideas suck !

Vrika

No, we need Riot's new MMO be good. Or on a more general level, we need large established devs to be able to create occasional successful MMOs.

If Ashes fails none of the investors and business people will bat an eye because it's a start up run by an amateur who decided it'd be good idea to build up an MMO studio from nothing. Projects like that are very high risk and expected to fail most of the time. MMO failures only become a problem for MMO genre if creating a successful one becomes so hard that even the established studios with plenty of funding and expertise can't manage.

Nilden

I think it's a better idea not to pin my hopes on one game and just hope something, anything, is good. With how MMO's are going that hope is more of a dull glimmer than any sort of shining beacon and I'm not really holding my breath so I just enjoy playing 20 year old MMORPGs.

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Champie

Remali said:

The last mmo that I will try is gonna be throne and liberty
If it sucks too Im done with this genre

I wonder how many people there are like me who has ZERO interest in an MMO that is designed to be played with a controller

Mendel

Champie said:

Remali said:

The last mmo that I will try is gonna be throne and liberty
If it sucks too Im done with this genre

I wonder how many people there are like me who has ZERO interest in an MMO that is designed to be played with a controller

... Or on a phone.  No thanks.

Slapshot1188

I refer you to THIS THREAD from 2015 which tried to convince us that it was crucial for Pathfinder Online to succeed, for the good of the industry.

If Stephen ends up launching a good game, I will play it.  If not. I won't.  And the world will not end any more than it did when Pathfinder launched and failed.

Champie

Slapshot1188 said:

And the world will not end any more than it did when Pathfinder launched and failed.

You seem like a thoughtful person - perhaps you can concede that "WORLDS" ARE SHATTERED every moment in time.

Delusions, expectations, willfulness - world views collapse continuously!

Kyleran

Champie said:

Remali said:

The last mmo that I will try is gonna be throne and liberty
If it sucks too Im done with this genre

I wonder how many people there are like me who has ZERO interest in an MMO that is designed to be played with a controller

There's at least two of us brother....

Nanfoodle

I think the worry of MMOs failing on a level we will no longer have MMOs is not a reality. I do think the game developers have figured out how many players will support MMOs as a whole. IMO it comes down to trying to figure out how many players they estimate how many players they can acquire that are new and from other MMOs. IMO, new MMOs are in a good place to take gamers from some of the MMO staple's, like ESO and WoW. 

Nanfoodle

ikcin said:

Remali said:

The last mmo that I will try is gonna be throne and liberty
If it sucks too Im done with this genre

T&L will not be good. I mean it will be fun for few weeks, as most MMORPGs, while you are new and learn to play, and do not care about goals, competition, payoffs and etc. But then, when you really start to play, it will be pointless as most MMORPGs now. The reason is they screwed the MMO part. Every conflict in the game will be event. There will not be open world PvP in a game focused on PvP. That will work as game mechanics if there are not consequences, so if PvP is safe. But then PvP will be meaningless. If players could lose anything, most will not participate in PvP events. Also PvP will not affect the players who do not participate. And that is another reason it will be meaningless - you do not conquer a castle to rule, you conquer a castle to conquer it, than again - simple pointless grind. T&L took L2 and removed the things which made L2 good - payoffs and consequences.

Riot MMO will have the similar issue, but larger world so it will be fun for exploration longer, also there are a lot of people related to LoL lore after Arcane, and they will like and play the game for the lore - solo RPG. 

AoC will probably fail. The issue there are ambitions. The developers are trying to implement everything possible and impossible in the game, creating too complicated system. MMORPGs are complex and sophisticated, complications lead to AA style of game.

There are more new MMORPGs coming as Bellatores, Dune: Awakening, Ark 2, Palia, ArcheAge 2, Blue Protocol, and etc. And I do not see any of them breaking the trend. All are just the same old games with new shiny graphics. My advice is play the F2P ones, and you will lose only time. Anyway most will become F2P.

Of course I may be wrong and all these games will be amazing. 

I don't get prejudging games. T & L for instance. We have very little info. We don't even know the fundamentals of the game. Just some basic developer hype statements. We still have no clue on what impact PvP will have on the game. 

Slapshot1188

Nanfoodle said:

ikcin said:

Remali said:

The last mmo that I will try is gonna be throne and liberty
If it sucks too Im done with this genre

T&L will not be good. I mean it will be fun for few weeks, as most MMORPGs, while you are new and learn to play, and do not care about goals, competition, payoffs and etc. But then, when you really start to play, it will be pointless as most MMORPGs now. The reason is they screwed the MMO part. Every conflict in the game will be event. There will not be open world PvP in a game focused on PvP. That will work as game mechanics if there are not consequences, so if PvP is safe. But then PvP will be meaningless. If players could lose anything, most will not participate in PvP events. Also PvP will not affect the players who do not participate. And that is another reason it will be meaningless - you do not conquer a castle to rule, you conquer a castle to conquer it, than again - simple pointless grind. T&L took L2 and removed the things which made L2 good - payoffs and consequences.

Riot MMO will have the similar issue, but larger world so it will be fun for exploration longer, also there are a lot of people related to LoL lore after Arcane, and they will like and play the game for the lore - solo RPG. 

AoC will probably fail. The issue there are ambitions. The developers are trying to implement everything possible and impossible in the game, creating too complicated system. MMORPGs are complex and sophisticated, complications lead to AA style of game.

There are more new MMORPGs coming as Bellatores, Dune: Awakening, Ark 2, Palia, ArcheAge 2, Blue Protocol, and etc. And I do not see any of them breaking the trend. All are just the same old games with new shiny graphics. My advice is play the F2P ones, and you will lose only time. Anyway most will become F2P.

Of course I may be wrong and all these games will be amazing. 

I don't get prejudging games. T & L for instance. We have very little info. We don't even know the fundamentals of the game. Just some basic developer hype statements. We still have no clue on what impact PvP will have on the game. 

If people can be fans of a game based on basic developer hype statements and some artwork then people can also be the opposite.

Nanfoodle

Sla2pshot1188 said:

Nanfoodle said:

ikcin said:

Remali said:

The last mmo that I will try is gonna be throne and liberty
If it sucks too Im done with this genre

T&L will not be good. I mean it will be fun for few weeks, as most MMORPGs, while you are new and learn to play, and do not care about goals, competition, payoffs and etc. But then, when you really start to play, it will be pointless as most MMORPGs now. The reason is they screwed the MMO part. Every conflict in the game will be event. There will not be open world PvP in a game focused on PvP. That will work as game mechanics if there are not consequences, so if PvP is safe. But then PvP will be meaningless. If players could lose anything, most will not participate in PvP events. Also PvP will not affect the players who do not participate. And that is another reason it will be meaningless - you do not conquer a castle to rule, you conquer a castle to conquer it, than again - simple pointless grind. T&L took L2 and removed the things which made L2 good - payoffs and consequences.

Riot MMO will have the similar issue, but larger world so it will be fun for exploration longer, also there are a lot of people related to LoL lore after Arcane, and they will like and play the game for the lore - solo RPG. 

AoC will probably fail. The issue there are ambitions. The developers are trying to implement everything possible and impossible in the game, creating too complicated system. MMORPGs are complex and sophisticated, complications lead to AA style of game.

There are more new MMORPGs coming as Bellatores, Dune: Awakening, Ark 2, Palia, ArcheAge 2, Blue Protocol, and etc. And I do not see any of them breaking the trend. All are just the same old games with new shiny graphics. My advice is play the F2P ones, and you will lose only time. Anyway most will become F2P.

Of course I may be wrong and all these games will be amazing. 

I don't get prejudging games. T & L for instance. We have very little info. We don't even know the fundamentals of the game. Just some basic developer hype statements. We still have no clue on what impact PvP will have on the game. 

If people can be fans of a game based on basic developer hype statements and some artwork then people can also be the opposite.

In both cases they can be wrong. But being prejudice before you have the facts, is always the biggest fail. 

Slapshot1188

Nanfoodle said:

Sla2pshot1188 said:

Nanfoodle said:

ikcin said:

Remali said:

The last mmo that I will try is gonna be throne and liberty
If it sucks too Im done with this genre

T&L will not be good. I mean it will be fun for few weeks, as most MMORPGs, while you are new and learn to play, and do not care about goals, competition, payoffs and etc. But then, when you really start to play, it will be pointless as most MMORPGs now. The reason is they screwed the MMO part. Every conflict in the game will be event. There will not be open world PvP in a game focused on PvP. That will work as game mechanics if there are not consequences, so if PvP is safe. But then PvP will be meaningless. If players could lose anything, most will not participate in PvP events. Also PvP will not affect the players who do not participate. And that is another reason it will be meaningless - you do not conquer a castle to rule, you conquer a castle to conquer it, than again - simple pointless grind. T&L took L2 and removed the things which made L2 good - payoffs and consequences.

Riot MMO will have the similar issue, but larger world so it will be fun for exploration longer, also there are a lot of people related to LoL lore after Arcane, and they will like and play the game for the lore - solo RPG. 

AoC will probably fail. The issue there are ambitions. The developers are trying to implement everything possible and impossible in the game, creating too complicated system. MMORPGs are complex and sophisticated, complications lead to AA style of game.

There are more new MMORPGs coming as Bellatores, Dune: Awakening, Ark 2, Palia, ArcheAge 2, Blue Protocol, and etc. And I do not see any of them breaking the trend. All are just the same old games with new shiny graphics. My advice is play the F2P ones, and you will lose only time. Anyway most will become F2P.

Of course I may be wrong and all these games will be amazing. 

I don't get prejudging games. T & L for instance. We have very little info. We don't even know the fundamentals of the game. Just some basic developer hype statements. We still have no clue on what impact PvP will have on the game. 

If people can be fans of a game based on basic developer hype statements and some artwork then people can also be the opposite.

In both cases they can be wrong. But being prejudice before you have the facts, is always the biggest fail. 

Sure they can be wrong.  Prejudice goes both ways here.  Some people see A and think AWESOME HERE'S MY MONEY!   Other people see the same A and think NO WAY THATS HORRIBLE!

2 sides of 1 coin

Nanfoodle

Slapshot1188 said:

Nanfoodle said:

Sla2pshot1188 said:

Nanfoodle said:

ikcin said:

Remali said:

The last mmo that I will try is gonna be throne and liberty
If it sucks too Im done with this genre

T&L will not be good. I mean it will be fun for few weeks, as most MMORPGs, while you are new and learn to play, and do not care about goals, competition, payoffs and etc. But then, when you really start to play, it will be pointless as most MMORPGs now. The reason is they screwed the MMO part. Every conflict in the game will be event. There will not be open world PvP in a game focused on PvP. That will work as game mechanics if there are not consequences, so if PvP is safe. But then PvP will be meaningless. If players could lose anything, most will not participate in PvP events. Also PvP will not affect the players who do not participate. And that is another reason it will be meaningless - you do not conquer a castle to rule, you conquer a castle to conquer it, than again - simple pointless grind. T&L took L2 and removed the things which made L2 good - payoffs and consequences.

Riot MMO will have the similar issue, but larger world so it will be fun for exploration longer, also there are a lot of people related to LoL lore after Arcane, and they will like and play the game for the lore - solo RPG. 

AoC will probably fail. The issue there are ambitions. The developers are trying to implement everything possible and impossible in the game, creating too complicated system. MMORPGs are complex and sophisticated, complications lead to AA style of game.

There are more new MMORPGs coming as Bellatores, Dune: Awakening, Ark 2, Palia, ArcheAge 2, Blue Protocol, and etc. And I do not see any of them breaking the trend. All are just the same old games with new shiny graphics. My advice is play the F2P ones, and you will lose only time. Anyway most will become F2P.

Of course I may be wrong and all these games will be amazing. 

I don't get prejudging games. T & L for instance. We have very little info. We don't even know the fundamentals of the game. Just some basic developer hype statements. We still have no clue on what impact PvP will have on the game. 

If people can be fans of a game based on basic developer hype statements and some artwork then people can also be the opposite.

In both cases they can be wrong. But being prejudice before you have the facts, is always the biggest fail. 

Sure they can be wrong.  Prejudice goes both ways here.  Some people see A and think AWESOME HERE'S MY MONEY!   Other people see the same A and think NO WAY THATS HORRIBLE!

2 sides of 1 coin

Yes but we are gamers here, right? Is not our main goal is to find games to have good time in? Missing out on fun because of a bad attitude is something that gets in the way of what we claim to be. Getting excited about a game possibly good, seems to be something we would encourage but that does not seem to be the case here I digress as I see this is pointless. 

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Champie

Nanfoodle said:

Yes but we are gamers here, right? 

No, we are HUMAN BEINGS who share enough of an interest in what's going on in the World of MMO's that we congregate here to share our experiences in, and enthusiasm for the genre.

We are not a monolithic pack of thoughtless consumers who get moist when someone whips out an MMO

Slapshot1188

Champie said:

Nanfoodle said:

Yes but we are gamers here, right? 

No, we are HUMAN BEINGS who share enough of an interest in what's going on in the World of MMO's that we congregate here to share our experiences in, and enthusiasm for the genre.

We are not a monolithic pack of thoughtless consumers who get moist when someone whips out an MMO

Moreover... we should learn from what has come before. And that blindly tossing money at screenshots and Dev Talk has done far more harm to our hobby than any "hater" ever could.

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delete5230

Deathkon1 said:

delete5230 said:

To make a long story short:
Western development needs to be "embarrassed and shamed" into creating a good mmorpgs.  


Enough of the crap Asian monetary stuff to suck us dry, they suck any. 

Preach! though I think other games that come out in the years to come can provide hope as well if they do them right, it doesn't need to just be all on ashes of creations.

The only reasion for picking Ashes of Creation is that it's seeming like the only powerful release of a full game. 


Infact I don't like Pvp games.

MY point is developers thank mmorpgs dried up and no one likes them, when infact they were making garbage for a long time. 

Adamantine

Unfortunately I just cant stand western much.

The_Korrigan

delete5230 said:

That's not the point me liking it...

Let's be honest, ok ?
If you don't like it, you will post here that it sucks. That's what you always do. You will also say that people playing and enjoying that game are dumb/stupid/idiots/<insert other similar words here>. That's what you're always doing.
The only good things on this planet for you are the things you like. Everything else is crap.

Nanfoodle

delete5230 said:

Deathkon1 said:

delete5230 said:

To make a long story short:
Western development needs to be "embarrassed and shamed" into creating a good mmorpgs.  


Enough of the crap Asian monetary stuff to suck us dry, they suck any. 

Preach! though I think other games that come out in the years to come can provide hope as well if they do them right, it doesn't need to just be all on ashes of creations.

The only reasion for picking Ashes of Creation is that it's seeming like the only powerful release of a full game. 


Infact I don't like Pvp games.

MY point is developers thank mmorpgs dried up and no one likes them, when infact they were making garbage for a long time. 

You maybe upset to know, everything in the game is designed around PvP, from dungeons, raids, world encounters to crafting. Think Lineage but with more layers to PvP. 

Scot

I agree that for the sake of MMOs it needs to be a success, but even if it is a success I don't think it will remove the question mark over indie MMOs and we have yet to see if it will be a success.