No offline mode, no buy. I don't want to rent a game that will get bricked when its servers shut down and it remains in the library to remind whoever bought it that they are a stupid consumer.
Well just recognize that somewhere in the near future you will likely not be gaming at all as more and more games some sort of cloud access for content, save data, or just anti-piracy measures. The days of offline are numbered. Also, you never have owned a single game you bought. You own a license to use the software. You never owned the software itself. That license can be revoked. Read your EULA.
That all being said not gaming isn't a bad choice. Plenty of more productive things to do with the time.
Best of luck to you.
Digital games I bought, yes, but those who are offline-only I can back up on a separate storage and I can play them forever. Games I own on CDs, DVDs, cartridges are my own.
I still can't stop grinning from how Hogwarts Legacy's Denuvo got cracked 14 days after the game's release. xD
There are so many old games that I never played and I'm starting to see their merit and value more and more.
I am still playing old games like Heroes of Might and Magic 3, Age of Empires 2, The Elder Scrolls 3 Morrowind and many more, so I think I will be playing games for a long time.
If you are OK with paying rent for games you don't own and you can lose in the blink of an eye while having spent hundreds of on them, then I honestly feel very sorry for you. You are truly lost and hopeless. A true consumerist.
Wait till they trick you to pay for the same product multiple times and you will be the first to mock those who believe they should only be paying once.
Admit it, deep down you know you are a blind consumerist and you hate it when people aren't following your deluded world views.
Getting this worked up about first world problems like ‘specific distribution of videogames’ is a rather deluded world view to begin with.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Just hope it doesn't become like South Park's HumancentiPad, you can mock me and shame me as much as you want. That's the first sign of delusion - the masses mocking that one crazy weirdo who has a tinfoil hat on and rants about conspiracies. That's been hardcoded into people by the media since they started consuming it - sheep thinking, follow the herd, don't think too much, consume, laugh at those who are speaking against this and call them crazy.
No offline mode, no buy. I don't want to rent a game that will get bricked when its servers shut down and it remains in the library to remind whoever bought it that they are a stupid consumer.
Well just recognize that somewhere in the near future you will likely not be gaming at all as more and more games some sort of cloud access for content, save data, or just anti-piracy measures. The days of offline are numbered. Also, you never have owned a single game you bought. You own a license to use the software. You never owned the software itself. That license can be revoked. Read your EULA.
That all being said not gaming isn't a bad choice. Plenty of more productive things to do with the time.
Best of luck to you.
Digital games I bought, yes, but those who are offline-only I can back up on a separate storage and I can play them forever. Games I own on CDs, DVDs, cartridges are my own.
I still can't stop grinning from how Hogwarts Legacy's Denuvo got cracked 14 days after the game's release. xD
There are so many old games that I never played and I'm starting to see their merit and value more and more.
I am still playing old games like Heroes of Might and Magic 3, Age of Empires 2, The Elder Scrolls 3 Morrowind and many more, so I think I will be playing games for a long time.
If you are OK with paying rent for games you don't own and you can lose in the blink of an eye while having spent hundreds of on them, then I honestly feel very sorry for you. You are truly lost and hopeless. A true consumerist.
Wait till they trick you to pay for the same product multiple times and you will be the first to mock those who believe they should only be paying once.
Admit it, deep down you know you are a blind consumerist and you hate it when people aren't following your deluded world views.
Getting this worked up about first world problems like ‘specific distribution of videogames’ is a rather deluded world view to begin with.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Just hope it doesn't become like South Park's HumancentiPad, you can mock me and shame me as much as you want. That's the first sign of delusion - the masses mocking that one crazy weirdo who has a tinfoil hat on and rants about conspiracies. That's been hardcoded into people by the media since they started consuming it - sheep thinking, follow the herd, don't think too much, consume, laugh at those who are speaking against this and call them crazy.
I am not mocking you, you are forcing a very specific worldview on subjects that are very insignificant, like videogames. Where all of this goes wrong is when you start criticizing people who don’t share that view or don’t prioritize it as much as you do. That is a so called ‘you’ problem and not an ‘us’ problem. When everyone around you is crazy, who really is the delusional one?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
No offline mode, no buy. I don't want to rent a game that will get bricked when its servers shut down and it remains in the library to remind whoever bought it that they are a stupid consumer.
Well just recognize that somewhere in the near future you will likely not be gaming at all as more and more games some sort of cloud access for content, save data, or just anti-piracy measures. The days of offline are numbered. Also, you never have owned a single game you bought. You own a license to use the software. You never owned the software itself. That license can be revoked. Read your EULA.
That all being said not gaming isn't a bad choice. Plenty of more productive things to do with the time.
Best of luck to you.
Digital games I bought, yes, but those who are offline-only I can back up on a separate storage and I can play them forever. Games I own on CDs, DVDs, cartridges are my own.
I still can't stop grinning from how Hogwarts Legacy's Denuvo got cracked 14 days after the game's release. xD
There are so many old games that I never played and I'm starting to see their merit and value more and more.
I am still playing old games like Heroes of Might and Magic 3, Age of Empires 2, The Elder Scrolls 3 Morrowind and many more, so I think I will be playing games for a long time.
If you are OK with paying rent for games you don't own and you can lose in the blink of an eye while having spent hundreds of on them, then I honestly feel very sorry for you. You are truly lost and hopeless. A true consumerist.
Wait till they trick you to pay for the same product multiple times and you will be the first to mock those who believe they should only be paying once.
Admit it, deep down you know you are a blind consumerist and you hate it when people aren't following your deluded world views.
Getting this worked up about first world problems like ‘specific distribution of videogames’ is a rather deluded world view to begin with.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Just hope it doesn't become like South Park's HumancentiPad, you can mock me and shame me as much as you want. That's the first sign of delusion - the masses mocking that one crazy weirdo who has a tinfoil hat on and rants about conspiracies. That's been hardcoded into people by the media since they started consuming it - sheep thinking, follow the herd, don't think too much, consume, laugh at those who are speaking against this and call them crazy.
I am not mocking you, you are forcing a very specific worldview on subjects that are very insignificant, like videogames. Where all of this goes wrong is when you start criticizing people who don’t share that view or don’t prioritize it as much as you do. That is a so called ‘you’ problem and not an ‘us’ problem. When everyone around you is crazy, who really is the delusional one?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I am perfectly fine with people disliking a game but when they start criticizing the people who play the games and question their intelligence or taste is when I draw the line. This is where it becomes unacceptable and I won't mention names but threads started by people who do this are avoided by me. I don't wish to argue with anyone who thinks it is acceptable to demean my choices in games.
For heaven's sakes this is a hobby and past time why must you bring all these personal feelings into it and make it all about the intelligence or sanity of the people who enjoy the games.
I like so many games others find completely unacceptable to play because chibi figures or too many cute anime girls and so on. Once someone even questioned whether it was appropriate to like anime based games. My god have some perspective. Don't brand and demonize people.
No offline mode, no buy. I don't want to rent a game that will get bricked when its servers shut down and it remains in the library to remind whoever bought it that they are a stupid consumer.
Well just recognize that somewhere in the near future you will likely not be gaming at all as more and more games some sort of cloud access for content, save data, or just anti-piracy measures. The days of offline are numbered. Also, you never have owned a single game you bought. You own a license to use the software. You never owned the software itself. That license can be revoked. Read your EULA.
That all being said not gaming isn't a bad choice. Plenty of more productive things to do with the time.
Best of luck to you.
Digital games I bought, yes, but those who are offline-only I can back up on a separate storage and I can play them forever. Games I own on CDs, DVDs, cartridges are my own.
I still can't stop grinning from how Hogwarts Legacy's Denuvo got cracked 14 days after the game's release. xD
There are so many old games that I never played and I'm starting to see their merit and value more and more.
I am still playing old games like Heroes of Might and Magic 3, Age of Empires 2, The Elder Scrolls 3 Morrowind and many more, so I think I will be playing games for a long time.
If you are OK with paying rent for games you don't own and you can lose in the blink of an eye while having spent hundreds of on them, then I honestly feel very sorry for you. You are truly lost and hopeless. A true consumerist.
Wait till they trick you to pay for the same product multiple times and you will be the first to mock those who believe they should only be paying once.
Admit it, deep down you know you are a blind consumerist and you hate it when people aren't following your deluded world views.
Getting this worked up about first world problems like ‘specific distribution of videogames’ is a rather deluded world view to begin with.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Just hope it doesn't become like South Park's HumancentiPad, you can mock me and shame me as much as you want. That's the first sign of delusion - the masses mocking that one crazy weirdo who has a tinfoil hat on and rants about conspiracies. That's been hardcoded into people by the media since they started consuming it - sheep thinking, follow the herd, don't think too much, consume, laugh at those who are speaking against this and call them crazy.
I am not mocking you, you are forcing a very specific worldview on subjects that are very insignificant, like videogames. Where all of this goes wrong is when you start criticizing people who don’t share that view or don’t prioritize it as much as you do. That is a so called ‘you’ problem and not an ‘us’ problem. When everyone around you is crazy, who really is the delusional one?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I am perfectly fine with people disliking a game but when they start criticizing the people who play the games and question their intelligence or taste is when I draw the line. This is where it becomes unacceptable and I won't mention names but threads started by people who do this are avoided by me. I don't wish to argue with anyone who thinks it is acceptable to demean my choices in games.
For heaven's sakes this is a hobby and past time why must you bring all these personal feelings into it and make it all about the intelligence or sanity of the people who enjoy the games.
I like so many games others find completely unacceptable to play because chibi figures or too many cute anime girls and so on. Once someone even questioned whether it was appropriate to like anime based games. My god have some perspective. Don't brand and demonize people.
Bingo. And unfortunately there is a sharp increase in this behavior around here. So I just come here less, between this and the relentless whining about everything, why would I?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
No offline mode, no buy. I don't want to rent a game that will get bricked when its servers shut down and it remains in the library to remind whoever bought it that they are a stupid consumer.
Well just recognize that somewhere in the near future you will likely not be gaming at all as more and more games some sort of cloud access for content, save data, or just anti-piracy measures. The days of offline are numbered. Also, you never have owned a single game you bought. You own a license to use the software. You never owned the software itself. That license can be revoked. Read your EULA.
That all being said not gaming isn't a bad choice. Plenty of more productive things to do with the time.
Best of luck to you.
Digital games I bought, yes, but those who are offline-only I can back up on a separate storage and I can play them forever. Games I own on CDs, DVDs, cartridges are my own.
I still can't stop grinning from how Hogwarts Legacy's Denuvo got cracked 14 days after the game's release. xD
There are so many old games that I never played and I'm starting to see their merit and value more and more.
I am still playing old games like Heroes of Might and Magic 3, Age of Empires 2, The Elder Scrolls 3 Morrowind and many more, so I think I will be playing games for a long time.
If you are OK with paying rent for games you don't own and you can lose in the blink of an eye while having spent hundreds of on them, then I honestly feel very sorry for you. You are truly lost and hopeless. A true consumerist.
Wait till they trick you to pay for the same product multiple times and you will be the first to mock those who believe they should only be paying once.
Admit it, deep down you know you are a blind consumerist and you hate it when people aren't following your deluded world views.
Getting this worked up about first world problems like ‘specific distribution of videogames’ is a rather deluded world view to begin with.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Just hope it doesn't become like South Park's HumancentiPad, you can mock me and shame me as much as you want. That's the first sign of delusion - the masses mocking that one crazy weirdo who has a tinfoil hat on and rants about conspiracies. That's been hardcoded into people by the media since they started consuming it - sheep thinking, follow the herd, don't think too much, consume, laugh at those who are speaking against this and call them crazy.
I am not mocking you, you are forcing a very specific worldview on subjects that are very insignificant, like videogames. Where all of this goes wrong is when you start criticizing people who don’t share that view or don’t prioritize it as much as you do. That is a so called ‘you’ problem and not an ‘us’ problem. When everyone around you is crazy, who really is the delusional one?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I am perfectly fine with people disliking a game but when they start criticizing the people who play the games and question their intelligence or taste is when I draw the line. This is where it becomes unacceptable and I won't mention names but threads started by people who do this are avoided by me. I don't wish to argue with anyone who thinks it is acceptable to demean my choices in games.
For heaven's sakes this is a hobby and past time why must you bring all these personal feelings into it and make it all about the intelligence or sanity of the people who enjoy the games.
I like so many games others find completely unacceptable to play because chibi figures or too many cute anime girls and so on. Once someone even questioned whether it was appropriate to like anime based games. My god have some perspective. Don't brand and demonize people.
Bingo. And unfortunately there is a sharp increase in this behavior around here. So I just come here less, between this and the relentless whining about everything, why would I?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
The thing about hobbies is that people can be very passionate about them, I do wonder why that surprises anyone. But yes, saying that someone is intellectually challenged etc because they play this or that game goes way too far.
I would point out though that some of your likes such as anime girls do get censored by studios so it is not just "posters on here". I am not saying you are wrong just that it is not simply this forum that goes on about any of the issues we raise, but yes we raise certain issues far more than other sites.
Is that not congruent with a forum dedicated to a purpose though? On the science forum I frequent the issues with quantum mechanics and dark matter/energy are regular features. That could be described as "relentless".
Anyway I am glad we have you both on here, chin up more whining is doubtless on the way.
Anime art being censored never bothered me because that was never why I played JRPGs. If I wanted to look at big boobs just have to look in the mirror although mine are reaching my waist. I blame the bra burners of my uni days for their lack of support. Wish I had been smarter then.
Really looking forward to the beta weekends to get a better sense of how the Diablo series has evolved in its 4th iteration (not including the bastard mobile game). The ARPG genre has fleshed out quite a bit since D3 came out and there is no shortage of competing games out or on their way.
It is a bit hard to remember now, but D3 was a train wreck when it launched with legendary drops rates and the cash shop. ActBliz evolved it over time, and the ongoing investment in seasons (for a game that doesn’t have any incremental fees) had actually been very impressive and shows the commitment to the franchise.
Re: shutting down servers, while this is a legitimate concern in the overall gaming landscape, I’m willing to actually give ActBliz credit in that area - they’ve kept the Battle.Net servers usable for old Diablo releases, so at least using a historical precedent am not worried for D4. Adding a battle pass system will also generate incremental revenue which makes it far easier to justify keeping those servers running over time.
No offline mode, no buy. I don't want to rent a game that will get bricked when its servers shut down and it remains in the library to remind whoever bought it that they are a stupid consumer.
Well just recognize that somewhere in the near future you will likely not be gaming at all as more and more games some sort of cloud access for content, save data, or just anti-piracy measures. The days of offline are numbered. Also, you never have owned a single game you bought. You own a license to use the software. You never owned the software itself. That license can be revoked. Read your EULA.
That all being said not gaming isn't a bad choice. Plenty of more productive things to do with the time.
Best of luck to you.
Digital games I bought, yes, but those who are offline-only I can back up on a separate storage and I can play them forever. Games I own on CDs, DVDs, cartridges are my own.
I still can't stop grinning from how Hogwarts Legacy's Denuvo got cracked 14 days after the game's release. xD
There are so many old games that I never played and I'm starting to see their merit and value more and more.
I am still playing old games like Heroes of Might and Magic 3, Age of Empires 2, The Elder Scrolls 3 Morrowind and many more, so I think I will be playing games for a long time.
If you are OK with paying rent for games you don't own and you can lose in the blink of an eye while having spent hundreds of on them, then I honestly feel very sorry for you. You are truly lost and hopeless. A true consumerist.
Wait till they trick you to pay for the same product multiple times and you will be the first to mock those who believe they should only be paying once.
Admit it, deep down you know you are a blind consumerist and you hate it when people aren't following your deluded world views.
Getting this worked up about first world problems like ‘specific distribution of videogames’ is a rather deluded world view to begin with.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Just hope it doesn't become like South Park's HumancentiPad, you can mock me and shame me as much as you want. That's the first sign of delusion - the masses mocking that one crazy weirdo who has a tinfoil hat on and rants about conspiracies. That's been hardcoded into people by the media since they started consuming it - sheep thinking, follow the herd, don't think too much, consume, laugh at those who are speaking against this and call them crazy.
I am not mocking you, you are forcing a very specific worldview on subjects that are very insignificant, like videogames. Where all of this goes wrong is when you start criticizing people who don’t share that view or don’t prioritize it as much as you do. That is a so called ‘you’ problem and not an ‘us’ problem. When everyone around you is crazy, who really is the delusional one?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I am perfectly fine with people disliking a game but when they start criticizing the people who play the games and question their intelligence or taste is when I draw the line. This is where it becomes unacceptable and I won't mention names but threads started by people who do this are avoided by me. I don't wish to argue with anyone who thinks it is acceptable to demean my choices in games.
For heaven's sakes this is a hobby and past time why must you bring all these personal feelings into it and make it all about the intelligence or sanity of the people who enjoy the games.
I like so many games others find completely unacceptable to play because chibi figures or too many cute anime girls and so on. Once someone even questioned whether it was appropriate to like anime based games. My god have some perspective. Don't brand and demonize people.
Bingo. And unfortunately there is a sharp increase in this behavior around here. So I just come here less, between this and the relentless whining about everything, why would I?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
The thing about hobbies is that people can be very passionate about them, I do wonder why that surprises anyone. But yes, saying that someone is intellectually challenged etc because they play this or that game goes way too far.
I would point out though that some of your likes such as anime girls do get censored by studios so it is not just "posters on here". I am not saying you are wrong just that it is not simply this forum that goes on about any of the issues we raise, but yes we raise certain issues far more than other sites.
Is that not congruent with a forum dedicated to a purpose though? On the science forum I frequent the issues with quantum mechanics and dark matter/energy are regular features. That could be described as "relentless".
Anyway I am glad we have you both on here, chin up more whining is doubtless on the way.
I love being passionate about games in general.
But.
Constantly complaining about feature C to Z because you only like A and B is not being passionate.
Only wanting to have a discussion if everybody follows arbitrary rule 1 to 22 because else your opinion doesn’t count is not being passionate.
Beating a dead horse’s fifth reincarnation isn’t being passionate. Weekly people talk about how ‘WoW ruined the genre,’ that is two bloody decades ago….
I could go on about ‘company X made it so it is bad by default’ etc. but I won’t. I truly believe many people here don’t like games at all, not anymore. They are just stuck in their ways. Me? I think gaming is better then it has ever been and just this years’ releases are absolutely mind blowing. Hell, I just ordered a PS5 for Final Fantasy 16 alone. I love gaming, that is why I celebrate it constantly.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
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'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Constantly complaining about feature C to Z because you only like A and B is not being passionate.
Only wanting to have a discussion if everybody follows arbitrary rule 1 to 22 because else your opinion doesn’t count is not being passionate.
Beating a dead horse’s fifth reincarnation isn’t being passionate. Weekly people talk about how ‘WoW ruined the genre,’ that is two bloody decades ago….
I could go on about ‘company X made it so it is bad by default’ etc. but I won’t. I truly believe many people here don’t like games at all, not anymore. They are just stuck in their ways. Me? I think gaming is better then it has ever been and just this years’ releases are absolutely mind blowing. Hell, I just ordered a PS5 for Final Fantasy 16 alone. I love gaming, that is why I celebrate it constantly.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I don't agree and indeed your first line shows me why "I love being passionate about games in general." You are making the assumption that being passionate is always going to be a positive emotion, indeed you used the word "love".
When gamers decide that they misspent their money or a game did not live up to their treasured expectations and they come on here or elsewhere to vent their spleen that is passion too. Passion can be negative as well as positive, I think a fairer point would be "do we have posters who vent their spleen too much"? Well yes we do, but to me that's as fair as someone who is an uber fan telling us yet again why he is a fan. Could the site do with more uber fans? Yes it could, to balance threads out.
Is that imbalance to do with the age of posters on here? Possibly, but youngsters can be as passionate in a negative way as any old codger can and they not exactly known for their politeness.
So I can't offer a solution only some recognition of where we are, long may we be passionate...but not so passionate that it sends us of the deep end.
No offline mode, no buy. I don't want to rent a game that will get bricked when its servers shut down and it remains in the library to remind whoever bought it that they are a stupid consumer.
Well just recognize that somewhere in the near future you will likely not be gaming at all as more and more games some sort of cloud access for content, save data, or just anti-piracy measures. The days of offline are numbered. Also, you never have owned a single game you bought. You own a license to use the software. You never owned the software itself. That license can be revoked. Read your EULA.
That all being said not gaming isn't a bad choice. Plenty of more productive things to do with the time.
Best of luck to you.
Digital games I bought, yes, but those who are offline-only I can back up on a separate storage and I can play them forever. Games I own on CDs, DVDs, cartridges are my own.
I still can't stop grinning from how Hogwarts Legacy's Denuvo got cracked 14 days after the game's release. xD
There are so many old games that I never played and I'm starting to see their merit and value more and more.
I am still playing old games like Heroes of Might and Magic 3, Age of Empires 2, The Elder Scrolls 3 Morrowind and many more, so I think I will be playing games for a long time.
If you are OK with paying rent for games you don't own and you can lose in the blink of an eye while having spent hundreds of on them, then I honestly feel very sorry for you. You are truly lost and hopeless. A true consumerist.
Wait till they trick you to pay for the same product multiple times and you will be the first to mock those who believe they should only be paying once.
Admit it, deep down you know you are a blind consumerist and you hate it when people aren't following your deluded world views.
Getting this worked up about first world problems like ‘specific distribution of videogames’ is a rather deluded world view to begin with.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Just hope it doesn't become like South Park's HumancentiPad, you can mock me and shame me as much as you want. That's the first sign of delusion - the masses mocking that one crazy weirdo who has a tinfoil hat on and rants about conspiracies. That's been hardcoded into people by the media since they started consuming it - sheep thinking, follow the herd, don't think too much, consume, laugh at those who are speaking against this and call them crazy.
I am not mocking you, you are forcing a very specific worldview on subjects that are very insignificant, like videogames. Where all of this goes wrong is when you start criticizing people who don’t share that view or don’t prioritize it as much as you do. That is a so called ‘you’ problem and not an ‘us’ problem. When everyone around you is crazy, who really is the delusional one?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I'm not saying "Do what I tell you to do." I'm saying games-as-a-service/live service games are a cancer when it requires you to connect to a server even if you want to play single player and that I don't condone those kind of games. I've bought in the past enough such games and have burned myself plenty to know that I don't want to do it anymore.
And I will continue saying it under every article about such games where it doesn't make any sense.
What is stopping Activision from distributing two separate clients for Diablo 3 and 4? One for online-only play and one for offline-only play. They are not a small indie company that can't afford to maintain two clients, it's just pure greed from their part, because they knew how much Diablo 2 was pirated and it drives them crazy that their new games might be the same so they make them all to be live service.
It's not my problem that people get riled up because I believe that games that support single player should not require an internet connection to a server. If people think that this is alright and funding such games by continuing to buy them, that's their problem, but this only makes gaming less of a hobby and more of a fear of missing out. Diablo 3 or WoW will not be playable 50 years from now on official Activision servers. Maybe on private servers, but people who want to play legitimately have to not play anymore.
This whole thing is messed up and I can't help but think that people who think it's alright can't see the bigger picture and what kind of impact this is causing on gaming in the future. Especially on game preservation. Sony and Nintendo are doing the game - they are shutting down the stores of their older consoles like Wii, Wii U, PS2, PS3 and so forth so people who want to acquire a game in a legitimate way cannot do it anymore and have to deal with scalpers on Ebay selling a $10 game for $20,000.
Just think about those things before accusing me of how I'm forcing people to do and believe what I tell them to. I just want people to see how they are being scammed, it's not my problem that people get really angry when you tell them the truth about themselves in their face.
I'm not saying "Do what I tell you to do." I'm saying games-as-a-service/live service games are a cancer when it requires you to connect to a server even if you want to play single player and that I don't condone those kind of games. I've bought in the past enough such games and have burned myself plenty to know that I don't want to do it anymore.
So why are you on a rant about this on an MMO site in 2023?
In case you haven't noticed MMOs have always been a live service and yes some have closed and everyone lost whatever they had there.
As to the Diablo franchise specifically yes there was a big brouhaha when D3 went live service 11 years ago as an anti-piracy measure but that has become the standard for even most single-player games since then for the same reason.
So you're basically flogging a very dead horse and in the wrong forum.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
Yeah some will enjoy it. That's possibly the most obvious thing in the world. You didn't think every last gamer on the planet would hate it did you? I mean clearly enough people enjoyed Diablo Immortal enough to net $300 million for Blizzard. If that steaming pile can earn that much then yes I think we can go ahead and say there will be some who enjoy it.
I guess you're responding to me?
I was really responding to Greatsword (just saying not everyone is hating on it), so I will herein edit my post:
Not a full-on hate train - I would say the reviews here are mixed. Someone who has been testing D4 for several months says it is pretty good, so I'm sure there will be some who enjoy it. .
Yeah some will enjoy it. That's possibly the most obvious thing in the world. You didn't think every last gamer on the planet would hate it did you? I mean clearly enough people enjoyed Diablo Immortal enough to net $300 million for Blizzard. If that steaming pile can earn that much then yes I think we can go ahead and say there will be some who enjoy it.
I guess you're responding to me?
I was really responding to Greatsword (just saying not everyone is hating on it), so I will herein edit my post:
Not a full-on hate train - I would say the reviews here are mixed. Someone who has been testing D4 for several months says it is pretty good, so I'm sure there will be some who enjoy it. .
Yeah some will enjoy it. That's possibly the most obvious thing in the world. You didn't think every last gamer on the planet would hate it did you? I mean clearly enough people enjoyed Diablo Immortal enough to net $300 million for Blizzard. If that steaming pile can earn that much then yes I think we can go ahead and say there will be some who enjoy it.
I guess you're responding to me?
I was really responding to Greatsword (just saying not everyone is hating on it), so I will herein edit my post:
Not a full-on hate train - I would say the reviews here are mixed. Someone who has been testing D4 for several months says it is pretty good, so I'm sure there will be some who enjoy it. .
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Just hope it doesn't become like South Park's HumancentiPad, you can mock me and shame me as much as you want. That's the first sign of delusion - the masses mocking that one crazy weirdo who has a tinfoil hat on and rants about conspiracies. That's been hardcoded into people by the media since they started consuming it - sheep thinking, follow the herd, don't think too much, consume, laugh at those who are speaking against this and call them crazy.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
For heaven's sakes this is a hobby and past time why must you bring all these personal feelings into it and make it all about the intelligence or sanity of the people who enjoy the games.
I like so many games others find completely unacceptable to play because chibi figures or too many cute anime girls and so on. Once someone even questioned whether it was appropriate to like anime based games. My god have some perspective. Don't brand and demonize people.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
I would point out though that some of your likes such as anime girls do get censored by studios so it is not just "posters on here". I am not saying you are wrong just that it is not simply this forum that goes on about any of the issues we raise, but yes we raise certain issues far more than other sites.
Is that not congruent with a forum dedicated to a purpose though? On the science forum I frequent the issues with quantum mechanics and dark matter/energy are regular features. That could be described as "relentless".
Anyway I am glad we have you both on here, chin up more whining is doubtless on the way.
It is a bit hard to remember now, but D3 was a train wreck when it launched with legendary drops rates and the cash shop. ActBliz evolved it over time, and the ongoing investment in seasons (for a game that doesn’t have any incremental fees) had actually been very impressive and shows the commitment to the franchise.
Re: shutting down servers, while this is a legitimate concern in the overall gaming landscape, I’m willing to actually give ActBliz credit in that area - they’ve kept the Battle.Net servers usable for old Diablo releases, so at least using a historical precedent am not worried for D4. Adding a battle pass system will also generate incremental revenue which makes it far easier to justify keeping those servers running over time.
But.
Constantly complaining about feature C to Z because you only like A and B is not being passionate.
Only wanting to have a discussion if everybody follows arbitrary rule 1 to 22 because else your opinion doesn’t count is not being passionate.
Beating a dead horse’s fifth reincarnation isn’t being passionate. Weekly people talk about how ‘WoW ruined the genre,’ that is two bloody decades ago….
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
When gamers decide that they misspent their money or a game did not live up to their treasured expectations and they come on here or elsewhere to vent their spleen that is passion too. Passion can be negative as well as positive, I think a fairer point would be "do we have posters who vent their spleen too much"? Well yes we do, but to me that's as fair as someone who is an uber fan telling us yet again why he is a fan. Could the site do with more uber fans? Yes it could, to balance threads out.
Is that imbalance to do with the age of posters on here? Possibly, but youngsters can be as passionate in a negative way as any old codger can and they not exactly known for their politeness.
So I can't offer a solution only some recognition of where we are, long may we be passionate...but not so passionate that it sends us of the deep end.
And I will continue saying it under every article about such games where it doesn't make any sense.
What is stopping Activision from distributing two separate clients for Diablo 3 and 4? One for online-only play and one for offline-only play. They are not a small indie company that can't afford to maintain two clients, it's just pure greed from their part, because they knew how much Diablo 2 was pirated and it drives them crazy that their new games might be the same so they make them all to be live service.
It's not my problem that people get riled up because I believe that games that support single player should not require an internet connection to a server. If people think that this is alright and funding such games by continuing to buy them, that's their problem, but this only makes gaming less of a hobby and more of a fear of missing out. Diablo 3 or WoW will not be playable 50 years from now on official Activision servers. Maybe on private servers, but people who want to play legitimately have to not play anymore.
This whole thing is messed up and I can't help but think that people who think it's alright can't see the bigger picture and what kind of impact this is causing on gaming in the future. Especially on game preservation. Sony and Nintendo are doing the game - they are shutting down the stores of their older consoles like Wii, Wii U, PS2, PS3 and so forth so people who want to acquire a game in a legitimate way cannot do it anymore and have to deal with scalpers on Ebay selling a $10 game for $20,000.
Just think about those things before accusing me of how I'm forcing people to do and believe what I tell them to. I just want people to see how they are being scammed, it's not my problem that people get really angry when you tell them the truth about themselves in their face.
In case you haven't noticed MMOs have always been a live service and yes some have closed and everyone lost whatever they had there.
As to the Diablo franchise specifically yes there was a big brouhaha when D3 went live service 11 years ago as an anti-piracy measure but that has become the standard for even most single-player games since then for the same reason.
So you're basically flogging a very dead horse and in the wrong forum.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
I guess you're responding to me?
I was really responding to Greatsword (just saying not everyone is hating on it), so I will herein edit my post:
Not a full-on hate train - I would say the reviews here are mixed.
Someone who has been testing D4 for several months says it is pretty good, so I'm sure there will be some who enjoy it. .
Y'all have fun here at mmorpg.com
Welcome to the forums!
And sorry for the necro.