Nvidia's ridiculous pricing is holding back the entire PC industry. DRAM and NAND are stupidly cheap right now, to the extent that it's a serious concern as to whether the foundries that build them can all remain solvent. That together with a recent generation of new hardware should make it a good time to build a new gaming PC, except that it's hard to get a sensibly priced video card for it unless you're willing to buy a new AMD card that is 2+ years old or go with Intel.
It's not just NVidia's GPU prices, but also AMD's GPU prices.
At the moment you can get CPU + motherboard + RAM for cheap gaming computer at less than 300€ (calculated using I3-12100F + cheap B660M motherboard + 32GB RAM). Then the cheapest GPU that does not lose to GTX 1060 is 240€.
Current GPU prices are destroying the market for cheap gaming computers.
This comparison was done using my local prices in Finland.
Nvidia has a new generation out and AMD mostly doesn't, with only the exception of the top end. Meanwhile, AMD has slashed prices on their old generation and Nvidia hasn't. On New Egg right now, you could get a Radeon RX 6600 that will handily beat a GTX 1060 for $200. AMD's entire RX 6000 series is available right now at far below the launch MSRP.
So if you want a budget gaming card right now, your choices are basically an AMD card that is 2+ years old with a new generation just around the corner, an Intel card that should be pretty old by now except that it was so severely delayed, or an Nvidia card that should have been a budget card but isn't priced like it.
But if the rumors are correct, then the integrated GPU in Intel Meteor Lake could be competitive with the GeForce GTX 1060 that you cite in raw horsepower, in addition to having a modern feature set.
Any info on AMD 7800 series? I really want to get one of those, just for all the ridiculous reasons(I still have old 7850 lying around somewhere). Then again Battlemage... . Some tough choices. Maybe leave Intel for the Druid series. That could be 2030 though.
I also have a fully functional Vega system and it pains me to just trash a perfectly functional system. Any ideas for that?
Nvidia's ridiculous pricing is holding back the entire PC industry. DRAM and NAND are stupidly cheap right now, to the extent that it's a serious concern as to whether the foundries that build them can all remain solvent. That together with a recent generation of new hardware should make it a good time to build a new gaming PC, except that it's hard to get a sensibly priced video card for it unless you're willing to buy a new AMD card that is 2+ years old or go with Intel.
It's not just NVidia's GPU prices, but also AMD's GPU prices.
At the moment you can get CPU + motherboard + RAM for cheap gaming computer at less than 300€ (calculated using I3-12100F + cheap B660M motherboard + 32GB RAM). Then the cheapest GPU that does not lose to GTX 1060 is 240€.
Current GPU prices are destroying the market for cheap gaming computers.
This comparison was done using my local prices in Finland.
Nvidia has a new generation out and AMD mostly doesn't, with only the exception of the top end. Meanwhile, AMD has slashed prices on their old generation and Nvidia hasn't. On New Egg right now, you could get a Radeon RX 6600 that will handily beat a GTX 1060 for $200. AMD's entire RX 6000 series is available right now at far below the launch MSRP.
So if you want a budget gaming card right now, your choices are basically an AMD card that is 2+ years old with a new generation just around the corner, an Intel card that should be pretty old by now except that it was so severely delayed, or an Nvidia card that should have been a budget card but isn't priced like it.
But if the rumors are correct, then the integrated GPU in Intel Meteor Lake could be competitive with the GeForce GTX 1060 that you cite in raw horsepower, in addition to having a modern feature set.
If you compare newegg.com's prices, then I3-12100F + cheap B660M motherboard + 32 GB ram would cost $243. It's still a situation where GPU alone costs almost as much as CPU, motherboard and RAM combined.
Any info on AMD 7800 series? I really want to get one of those, just for all the ridiculous reasons(I still have old 7850 lying around somewhere). Then again Battlemage... . Some tough choices. Maybe leave Intel for the Druid series. That could be 2030 though.
I also have a fully functional Vega system and it pains me to just trash a perfectly functional system. Any ideas for that?
My guess is that AMD is waiting for their previous generation to sell out before introducing new parts. They launched the 7900 series because the old generation couldn't reach that level of performance, but the rest of the new lineup will have performance that you could get from the previous generation.
I'd expected to see Intel Druid no later than 2028 and possibly sooner than that. New generations are largely driven by new process nodes, and TSMC seems to have settled on a major new generation every two years or so, with whatever gains they can get in two years, even if it's not as big of improvements as full nodes were twenty years ago. Even so, it depends some on whether Intel will stay with TSMC for their GPUs or move to using their own fabs.
Any info on AMD 7800 series? I really want to get one of those, just for all the ridiculous reasons(I still have old 7850 lying around somewhere). Then again Battlemage... . Some tough choices. Maybe leave Intel for the Druid series. That could be 2030 though.
I also have a fully functional Vega system and it pains me to just trash a perfectly functional system. Any ideas for that?
My guess is that AMD is waiting for their previous generation to sell out before introducing new parts. They launched the 7900 series because the old generation couldn't reach that level of performance, but the rest of the new lineup will have performance that you could get from the previous generation.
I'd expected to see Intel Druid no later than 2028 and possibly sooner than that. New generations are largely driven by new process nodes, and TSMC seems to have settled on a major new generation every two years or so, with whatever gains they can get in two years, even if it's not as big of improvements as full nodes were twenty years ago. Even so, it depends some on whether Intel will stay with TSMC for their GPUs or move to using their own fabs.
I know, but this full circle phenomenon happens ... will it happen ever again? I can't and I won't miss it. Feels important.
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So if you want a budget gaming card right now, your choices are basically an AMD card that is 2+ years old with a new generation just around the corner, an Intel card that should be pretty old by now except that it was so severely delayed, or an Nvidia card that should have been a budget card but isn't priced like it.
But if the rumors are correct, then the integrated GPU in Intel Meteor Lake could be competitive with the GeForce GTX 1060 that you cite in raw horsepower, in addition to having a modern feature set.
I also have a fully functional Vega system and it pains me to just trash a perfectly functional system. Any ideas for that?
I'd expected to see Intel Druid no later than 2028 and possibly sooner than that. New generations are largely driven by new process nodes, and TSMC seems to have settled on a major new generation every two years or so, with whatever gains they can get in two years, even if it's not as big of improvements as full nodes were twenty years ago. Even so, it depends some on whether Intel will stay with TSMC for their GPUs or move to using their own fabs.
As for Druid? Yeah, 28 or 29 sounds alright.