RTX 4060 Ti with 16GB of VRAM, does this fix this GPU?

Nanfoodle

RTX 4060 Ti 16GB launches July 18 amid desperate price cuts (msn.com)

Or is it still too slow? 

Vrika

4060 Ti wasn't ever too slow, its problem was RAM specs.

The 16 GB version isn't really going to fix anything, since it also increases the price by $100, making the 16 GB model too expensive for what it offers.

To really fix 4060 Ti, NVidia would need to launch a new version with RTX 4070's memory specs, without increasing the price

Nanfoodle

Vrika said:

4060 Ti wasn't ever too slow, its problem was RAM specs.

The 16 GB version isn't really going to fix anything, since it also increases the price by $100, making the 16 GB model too expensive for what it offers.

To really fix 4060 Ti, NVidia would need to launch a new version with RTX 4070's memory specs, without increasing the price

Not sure I agree, with only using 1/2 the PCIe lanes. There is a bottle neck, so speed is a problem as well. 

Vrika

Nanfoodle said:

Vrika said:

4060 Ti wasn't ever too slow, its problem was RAM specs.

The 16 GB version isn't really going to fix anything, since it also increases the price by $100, making the 16 GB model too expensive for what it offers.

To really fix 4060 Ti, NVidia would need to launch a new version with RTX 4070's memory specs, without increasing the price

Not sure I agree, with only using 1/2 the PCIe lanes. There is a bottle neck, so speed is a problem as well. 

The 15.8 GB/s PCIe connection on RTX 4060 Ti isn't a bottleneck for that card. It's been tested on much faster cards, and even RTX 4090 running on 15.8 GB/s PCIe connection loses only a couple of percents of its FPS.

There are problems with RTX 4060 Ti, but NVidia's choice of PCI 4.0 x8 connection isn't one of them.

Quizzical

Did they cut the price?  Because the announced price of $500 is just too much for that card.  It's not a bad card in itself, but a lower end card shouldn't cost $500.

Nanfoodle

Quizzical said:

Did they cut the price?  Because the announced price of $500 is just too much for that card.  It's not a bad card in itself, but a lower end card shouldn't cost $500.

The price did go up from $399.99 to $499.99. I have a feeling if people hold out from jumping on this. They will lower the price to $449.99. Not sure what Im gonna do here myself. 

Asm0deus

Unless they really NEED a new card people should just skip the whole 4xxx gen cards to be frank.

ValdemarJ

Did they increase the memory bus bandwidth? If not, then this is a great card to run games from 10 years ago at 1080p, but not much else, like its siblings. It still won't scale well without a memory bus increase which will move the bottleneck elsewhere in this anemic shitastic card.

You would be so much better off getting this card https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-6800-11305-02-20g/p/N82E16814202394?Item=N82E16814202394&Description=RX 6800&cm_re=RX_6800-_-14-202-394-_-Product

in that price range, or this

https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-rx-6800-xt-rx-68xtaqfd9/p/N82E16814150867?Item=9SIAD2CJVJ6653

Both of which are better than any xx60 card from Nvidia and both are under $500. There are popular brand models of these cards for around $50 - $100 more than these two.

The cards I linked will rock 1440p with bells and whistles enabled and do okayish at 4K at more modest settings, something the 4060s will never do and likely the 4070 won't really be able to compete with either. 

If you did want to look at competing Nvidia cards you could start with the 4070ti ($800+) or a 4080 (just under $1200).

The 4060 cards aren't worth the time for enthusiast gamers and all of Nvidia's options, up to a 4090 are outpriced by their competitors in value performance. If a game is built to leverage Nvidia's proprietary ray tracing then, and that's your main jam, then pay the extra tax for Nvidia.

Reputable hardware reviewers have shredded the 4060 series for good reason.

Iselin

I'm under the impression that nVidia is playing games with the last two digits of the 4XXX card series. As in a 4060 should be seen as a 3050 upgrade, a 4070 as a 3060 upgrade, and so on.

I'm not sure which review simplified it that way but it stuck with me. Is this an oversimplification or accurate more or less?

Nanfoodle

Iselin said:

I'm under the impression that nVidia is playing games with the last two digits of the 4XXX card series. As in a 4060 should be seen as a 3050 upgrade, a 4070 as a 3060 upgrade, and so on.

I'm not sure which review simplified it that way but it stuck with me. Is this an oversimplification or accurate more or less?

I 100% agree with that. Leaves allot of confusion on what standards are with their cards. 

Asm0deus

Iselin said:

I'm under the impression that nVidia is playing games with the last two digits of the 4XXX card series. As in a 4060 should be seen as a 3050 upgrade, a 4070 as a 3060 upgrade, and so on.

I'm not sure which review simplified it that way but it stuck with me. Is this an oversimplification or accurate more or less?

Pretty accurate IMO.  Nvidia is unhappy that the cypto bubble popped and that some gamers are wanting prices to come back down to reality.

What we would really need to happen that would be good for us as gamers is if AMD were finally able to step up to nvidia like they did to intel with the ryzen line of cpu's.

Nanfoodle

Asm0deus said:

Iselin said:

I'm under the impression that nVidia is playing games with the last two digits of the 4XXX card series. As in a 4060 should be seen as a 3050 upgrade, a 4070 as a 3060 upgrade, and so on.

I'm not sure which review simplified it that way but it stuck with me. Is this an oversimplification or accurate more or less?

Pretty accurate IMO.  Nvidia is unhappy that the cypto bubble popped and that some gamers are wanting prices to come back down to reality.

What we would really need to happen that would be good for us as gamers is if AMD were finally able to step up to nvidia like they did to intel with the ryzen line of cpu's.

ARC is getting better as well, some games they are in par with Nvidia. Where Nvidia really shines is their software. In that way, they are miles above the competition. I really hope someone catches up. 

Quizzical

Iselin said:

I'm under the impression that nVidia is playing games with the last two digits of the 4XXX card series. As in a 4060 should be seen as a 3050 upgrade, a 4070 as a 3060 upgrade, and so on.

I'm not sure which review simplified it that way but it stuck with me. Is this an oversimplification or accurate more or less?

Yes, they are.  That's why I say to look at die sizes, not marketing names, to determine card tiers.

Asm0deus

Nanfoodle said:

Asm0deus said:

Iselin said:

I'm under the impression that nVidia is playing games with the last two digits of the 4XXX card series. As in a 4060 should be seen as a 3050 upgrade, a 4070 as a 3060 upgrade, and so on.

I'm not sure which review simplified it that way but it stuck with me. Is this an oversimplification or accurate more or less?

Pretty accurate IMO.  Nvidia is unhappy that the cypto bubble popped and that some gamers are wanting prices to come back down to reality.

What we would really need to happen that would be good for us as gamers is if AMD were finally able to step up to nvidia like they did to intel with the ryzen line of cpu's.

ARC is getting better as well, some games they are in par with Nvidia. Where Nvidia really shines is their software. In that way, they are miles above the competition. I really hope someone catches up. 

Yeah and that is good for us too no doubt about it!  I really hope ARC keeps getting better too.

Vrika

Iselin said:

I'm under the impression that nVidia is playing games with the last two digits of the 4XXX card series. As in a 4060 should be seen as a 3050 upgrade, a 4070 as a 3060 upgrade, and so on.

I'm not sure which review simplified it that way but it stuck with me. Is this an oversimplification or accurate more or less?

RTX 4090, RTX 4080 and RTX 4070 TI are large upgrades over RTX 3090, RTX 3080 and RTX 3070 Ti respectively, but they also come with increased price over previous generation.

At lower priced cards, for RTX 4070 and RTX 4060, those are only small upgrades over RTX 3070 and 3060 respectively, but NVidia also kept the price more reasonable.

From one point of view that means RTX 4070 and RTX 4060 are more like upgrades to RTX 3060 and RTX 3050 respectively. But from another point of view, NVidia couldn't do yet another massive price increase for lower tiered graphic cards. No matter how much performance enthusiasts hate the idea that RTX 4070 and RTX 4060 are now only small performance upgrades, it's still better than if NVidia had tried to increase their price from previous generation.

RTX 4070 and RTX 4060 are small upgrades over RTX 3070 and 3060, and price-wise they are targeted for same people who'd have bought RTX 3070 and 3060 respectively. But the speed difference is so small that if you own RTX 3070/3060, you shouldn't upgrade it to 4070/4060.

IceAge

ValdemarJ said:

Did they increase the memory bus bandwidth? If not, then this is a great card to run games from 10 years ago at 1080p, but not much else, like its siblings. It still won't scale well without a memory bus increase which will move the bottleneck elsewhere in this anemic shitastic card.

You would be so much better off getting this card https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-6800-11305-02-20g/p/N82E16814202394?Item=N82E16814202394&Description=RX 6800&cm_re=RX_6800-_-14-202-394-_-Product

in that price range, or this

https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-rx-6800-xt-rx-68xtaqfd9/p/N82E16814150867?Item=9SIAD2CJVJ6653

Both of which are better than any xx60 card from Nvidia and both are under $500. There are popular brand models of these cards for around $50 - $100 more than these two.

The cards I linked will rock 1440p with bells and whistles enabled and do okayish at 4K at more modest settings, something the 4060s will never do and likely the 4070 won't really be able to compete with either. 

If you did want to look at competing Nvidia cards you could start with the 4070ti ($800+) or a 4080 (just under $1200).

The 4060 cards aren't worth the time for enthusiast gamers and all of Nvidia's options, up to a 4090 are outpriced by their competitors in value performance. If a game is built to leverage Nvidia's proprietary ray tracing then, and that's your main jam, then pay the extra tax for Nvidia.

Reputable hardware reviewers have shredded the 4060 series for good reason.

RTX 4060 costs $299 and the Ti version is $399 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C91TFH3L

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GeForce-Lovelace-Architecture-Graphics/dp/B0C5B4XNWR/

The RX 6800 which is on pair with RTX 4060 Ti regarding performance, costs around $450 and somehow, you are telling me that this card can .. rock 1440p but RTX 4060 Ti no? Lol. Even my RTX 3060 Ti is having very good fps at 1440p. 

Anyway, I think the prices for RTX 4060 (Ti) are now decent enough. 

Curious to know how much the 16 Gb version will cost .. 

Nanfoodle

Vrika said:

Iselin said:

I'm under the impression that nVidia is playing games with the last two digits of the 4XXX card series. As in a 4060 should be seen as a 3050 upgrade, a 4070 as a 3060 upgrade, and so on.

I'm not sure which review simplified it that way but it stuck with me. Is this an oversimplification or accurate more or less?

RTX 4090, RTX 4080 and RTX 4070 TI are large upgrades over RTX 3090, RTX 3080 and RTX 3070 Ti respectively, but they also come with increased price over previous generation.

At lower priced cards, for RTX 4070 and RTX 4060, those are only small upgrades over RTX 3070 and 3060 respectively, but NVidia also kept the price more reasonable.

From one point of view that means RTX 4070 and RTX 4060 are more like upgrades to RTX 3060 and RTX 3050 respectively. But from another point of view, NVidia couldn't do yet another massive price increase for lower tiered graphic cards. No matter how much performance enthusiasts hate the idea that RTX 4070 and RTX 4060 are now only small performance upgrades, it's still better than if NVidia had tried to increase their price from previous generation.

RTX 4070 and RTX 4060 are small upgrades over RTX 3070 and 3060, and price-wise they are targeted for same people who'd have bought RTX 3070 and 3060 respectively. But the speed difference is so small that if you own RTX 3070/3060, you shouldn't upgrade it to 4070/4060.

No what they are doing is making it so you need to upgrade every generation so they keep getting your money every year. 

ValdemarJ

IceAge said:

ValdemarJ said:

Did they increase the memory bus bandwidth? If not, then this is a great card to run games from 10 years ago at 1080p, but not much else, like its siblings. It still won't scale well without a memory bus increase which will move the bottleneck elsewhere in this anemic shitastic card.

You would be so much better off getting this card https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-6800-11305-02-20g/p/N82E16814202394?Item=N82E16814202394&Description=RX 6800&cm_re=RX_6800-_-14-202-394-_-Product

in that price range, or this

https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-rx-6800-xt-rx-68xtaqfd9/p/N82E16814150867?Item=9SIAD2CJVJ6653

Both of which are better than any xx60 card from Nvidia and both are under $500. There are popular brand models of these cards for around $50 - $100 more than these two.

The cards I linked will rock 1440p with bells and whistles enabled and do okayish at 4K at more modest settings, something the 4060s will never do and likely the 4070 won't really be able to compete with either. 

If you did want to look at competing Nvidia cards you could start with the 4070ti ($800+) or a 4080 (just under $1200).

The 4060 cards aren't worth the time for enthusiast gamers and all of Nvidia's options, up to a 4090 are outpriced by their competitors in value performance. If a game is built to leverage Nvidia's proprietary ray tracing then, and that's your main jam, then pay the extra tax for Nvidia.

Reputable hardware reviewers have shredded the 4060 series for good reason.

RTX 4060 costs $299 and the Ti version is $399 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C91TFH3L

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GeForce-Lovelace-Architecture-Graphics/dp/B0C5B4XNWR/

The RX 6800 which is on pair with RTX 4060 Ti regarding performance, costs around $450 and somehow, you are telling me that this card can .. rock 1440p but RTX 4060 Ti no? Lol. Even my RTX 3060 Ti is having very good fps at 1440p. 

Anyway, I think the prices for RTX 4060 (Ti) are now decent enough. 

Curious to know how much the 16 Gb version will cost .. 

The 16GB version mentioned here is supposed to retail around $500. We'll see if they can pull it off, but that's just dumb.

Nanfoodle

ValdemarJ said:

IceAge said:

ValdemarJ said:

Did they increase the memory bus bandwidth? If not, then this is a great card to run games from 10 years ago at 1080p, but not much else, like its siblings. It still won't scale well without a memory bus increase which will move the bottleneck elsewhere in this anemic shitastic card.

You would be so much better off getting this card https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-6800-11305-02-20g/p/N82E16814202394?Item=N82E16814202394&Description=RX 6800&cm_re=RX_6800-_-14-202-394-_-Product

in that price range, or this

https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-rx-6800-xt-rx-68xtaqfd9/p/N82E16814150867?Item=9SIAD2CJVJ6653

Both of which are better than any xx60 card from Nvidia and both are under $500. There are popular brand models of these cards for around $50 - $100 more than these two.

The cards I linked will rock 1440p with bells and whistles enabled and do okayish at 4K at more modest settings, something the 4060s will never do and likely the 4070 won't really be able to compete with either. 

If you did want to look at competing Nvidia cards you could start with the 4070ti ($800+) or a 4080 (just under $1200).

The 4060 cards aren't worth the time for enthusiast gamers and all of Nvidia's options, up to a 4090 are outpriced by their competitors in value performance. If a game is built to leverage Nvidia's proprietary ray tracing then, and that's your main jam, then pay the extra tax for Nvidia.

Reputable hardware reviewers have shredded the 4060 series for good reason.

RTX 4060 costs $299 and the Ti version is $399 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C91TFH3L

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GeForce-Lovelace-Architecture-Graphics/dp/B0C5B4XNWR/

The RX 6800 which is on pair with RTX 4060 Ti regarding performance, costs around $450 and somehow, you are telling me that this card can .. rock 1440p but RTX 4060 Ti no? Lol. Even my RTX 3060 Ti is having very good fps at 1440p. 

Anyway, I think the prices for RTX 4060 (Ti) are now decent enough. 

Curious to know how much the 16 Gb version will cost .. 

The 16GB version mentioned here is supposed to retail around $500. We'll see if they can pull it off, but that's just dumb.

I'm not sure this card is worth & 499 USD. IMO it should be $399. I'm intrested what MSI will do. 

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