So, I am going to wait for the Black Friday - Cyber Monday stretch and see what's what. Maybe I can get a 6950 or something at a reasonable price.
Regardless, do you think it's better to build new or upgrade current?
I went with current for a few reasons RDNA3, Better Power Options (cost less to run) and also the AI Nvidia is doing. Will only get better and over time higher FPS.
Regardless, do you think it's better to build new or upgrade current?
That's impossible question to answer since you haven't posted your current computer's specs.
As promised(from CPU-Z):
CURRENT:
CPU: AMD R5 2600x - sAM4(1331)
GPU: AMD Radeon Vega56 - 8GB HBM2 (it turns out I could've flashed it to Vega64 ... meh)
MoBo: MSI x470 Gaming Plus - PCI Express 3.0
PSU: 650W something
RAM: 2x8GB DDR4 - max frequency: 1499MHz(idk how this came to be - usually it is 1066MHz)
VIEW: AOC E2275SWJ - 21''
You do know you could just shove in a 5600X3D or 5800X3D cpu in that mobo right and just upgrade the cpu and gpu? or any other vermeer cpu for that matter.
Just might need to update the mobo bios to the most recent version.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Why are you looking to upgrade? Is there some situation in which the old computer is now too slow? If so, what? Is the old computer no longer reliable enough? Or has it just been a while and feel like it's time to buy something new? What you should buy depends tremendously on why you're buying it.
Regardless, do you think it's better to build new or upgrade current?
That's impossible question to answer since you haven't posted your current computer's specs.
As promised(from CPU-Z):
CURRENT:
CPU: AMD R5 2600x - sAM4(1331)
GPU: AMD Radeon Vega56 - 8GB HBM2 (it turns out I could've flashed it to Vega64 ... meh)
MoBo: MSI x470 Gaming Plus - PCI Express 3.0
PSU: 650W something
RAM: 2x8GB DDR4 - max frequency: 1499MHz(idk how this came to be - usually it is 1066MHz)
VIEW: AOC E2275SWJ - 21''
You do know you could just shove in a 5600X3D or 5800X3D cpu in that mobo right and just upgrade the cpu and gpu?
Yes, but is it worth it? In the long run.
I have a 5800x I built from when they first came out and will be using this PC for the next 5+ years easy for gaming with only gpu upgrades.
The cpu does not struggle at all with any game even when I am streaming and using cpu encoding at the same time.
If you want a 7xxx cpu then you need to change it all mobo cpu and ram likely as you would prob want ddr5
Well, I guess something crazy like R9 5950 or somesuch is a possibility. It shouldn't cost over 450$ at the worst.
Personally I do not see the point of more than 8 core for the foreseeable future if you only want to game and or stream anything above that is for other applications and even in benchmarks for gaming it wont do much better.
I wouldn't pay more for a 5950x especially since in some game forums I have read some people disabling 1 ccd to get better gaming performance whereas no one with a 5800x has to do such shenanigans.
if you need a work station its great but I would put more cash in a gpu over anything higher cpu wise than 8 cores.
Inter ccd communications in highly demanding games can suffer from lag with cpu with more than 8 cores.
You may or may not notice the difference so I would go with what is cheaper which IMO would still be the 8 core cpu's
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Regardless, do you think it's better to build new or upgrade current?
That's impossible question to answer since you haven't posted your current computer's specs.
As promised(from CPU-Z):
CURRENT:
CPU: AMD R5 2600x - sAM4(1331)
GPU: AMD Radeon Vega56 - 8GB HBM2 (it turns out I could've flashed it to Vega64 ... meh)
MoBo: MSI x470 Gaming Plus - PCI Express 3.0
PSU: 650W something
RAM: 2x8GB DDR4 - max frequency: 1499MHz(idk how this came to be - usually it is 1066MHz)
VIEW: AOC E2275SWJ - 21''
You do know you could just shove in a 5600X3D or 5800X3D cpu in that mobo right and just upgrade the cpu and gpu?
Yes, but is it worth it? In the long run.
You want at least 6 cores for gaming, I would go with the 5800 as it has 8 cores so you will have a little more then minimum of what you need. Also this will up your FPS.
Regardless, do you think it's better to build new or upgrade current?
That's impossible question to answer since you haven't posted your current computer's specs.
As promised(from CPU-Z):
CURRENT:
CPU: AMD R5 2600x - sAM4(1331)
GPU: AMD Radeon Vega56 - 8GB HBM2 (it turns out I could've flashed it to Vega64 ... meh)
MoBo: MSI x470 Gaming Plus - PCI Express 3.0
PSU: 650W something
RAM: 2x8GB DDR4 - max frequency: 1499MHz(idk how this came to be - usually it is 1066MHz)
VIEW: AOC E2275SWJ - 21''
You do know you could just shove in a 5600X3D or 5800X3D cpu in that mobo right and just upgrade the cpu and gpu?
Yes, but is it worth it? In the long run.
I have a 5800x I built from when they first came out and will be using this PC for the next 5+ years easy for gaming with only gpu upgrades.
The cpu does not struggle at all with any game even when I am streaming and using cpu encoding at the same time.
If you want a 7xxx cpu then you need to change it all mobo cpu and ram likely as you would prob want ddr5
Well, I guess something crazy like R9 5950 or somesuch is a possibility. It shouldn't cost over 450$ at the worst.
Personally I do not see the point of more than 8 core for the foreseeable future if you only want to game and or stream anything above that is for other applications and even in benchmarks for gaming it wont do much better.
I wouldn't pay more for a 5950x especially since in some game forums I have read some people disabling 1 ccd to get better gaming performance whereas no one with a 5800x has to do such shenanigans.
if you need a work station its great but I would put more cash in a gpu over anything higher cpu wise than 8 cores.
Inter ccd communications in highly demanding games can suffer from lag with cpu with more than 8 cores.
You may or may not notice the difference so I would go with what is cheaper which IMO would still be the 8 core cpu's
My next upgrade is the 5950x. I love to watch movies on my second monitor while I game. So that CPU gives you better multi tasking. also the higher core and thread count just adds more FPS. I see a sale, Im upgrading. Much to my wife's dismay lol Also it gives my computer a longer life.
My next upgrade is the 5950x. I love to watch movies on my second monitor while I game. So that CPU gives you better multi tasking. also the higher core and thread count just adds more FPS. I see a sale, Im upgrading. Much to my wife's dismay lol Also it gives my computer a longer life.
Your wasting money if you go from a 5800x to 5950 just to game and watch a movie on the other screen.
I game and stream using obs and cpu encoding, which is way more demanding than watching a video etc, just fine and extra cores wont give you more fps.
A better gpu will give you more fps. btw I also have a dual screen set up so often have my game running on one screen and obs and sometimes twitch open on the other.
I am sorry but you are fooling yourself if you think going from 5800x to 5950x just cause you want a video running on your second screen will give you dramatically better fps in game or even be noticeable.
First result from google search:
As you can see the fps increase from 5800x to 5950x is negligible and the 5800X3D actually outperforms the 5950x with low dip being better than the 5950x
If you need better fps than that wait for 7800X3D or the new ryzen 8xxx which are suppose to have fairly good gains and again that will also depend on gpu.
Right now a 5800X3D is balanced nicely with the rtx 4080 performance wise.
Again another first result from a google search of "5800x3D vs 5950x with rtx 4090" so very much not cherry picked, just saying.
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Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Why are you looking to upgrade? Is there some situation in which the old computer is now too slow? If so, what? Is the old computer no longer reliable enough? Or has it just been a while and feel like it's time to buy something new? What you should buy depends tremendously on why you're buying it.
The tooth of time has eroded the performance. After 4 years, one would think it is about time to upgrade. Mostly because anything new requires more power than I have. As it were. And I want a peace of mind.
My next upgrade is the 5950x. I love to watch movies on my second monitor while I game. So that CPU gives you better multi tasking. also the higher core and thread count just adds more FPS. I see a sale, Im upgrading. Much to my wife's dismay lol Also it gives my computer a longer life.
Your wasting money if you go from a 5800x to 5950 just to game and watch a movie on the other screen.
I game and stream using obs and cpu encoding, which is way more demanding than watching a video etc, just fine and extra cores wont give you more fps.
A better gpu will give you more fps. btw I also have a dual screen set up so often have my game running on one screen and obs and sometimes twitch open on the other.
I am sorry but you are fooling yourself if you think going from 5800x to 5950x just cause you want a video running on your second screen will give you dramatically better fps in game or even be noticeable.
First result from google search:
As you can see the fps increase from 5800x to 5950x is negligible and the 5800X3D actually outperforms the 5950x with low dip being better than the 5950x
If you need better fps than that wait for 7800X3D or the new ryzen 8xxx which are suppose to have fairly good gains and again that will also depend on gpu.
Right now a 5800X3D is balanced nicely with the rtx 4080 performance wise.
Again another first result from a google search of "5800x3D vs 5950x with rtx 4090" so very much not cherry picked, just saying.
Ya, shows about a 5-10% FPS jump using the 5950x. Also, if you are someone who multi tasks that would make it a better option. My gaming rig is also my media server and sometimes I have up to 3 people streaming from my rig while I game. You can get that CPU off Amazon for $450 USD right now, its no longer a $800 CPU. Its a good future proofing.
My next upgrade is the 5950x. I love to watch movies on my second monitor while I game. So that CPU gives you better multi tasking. also the higher core and thread count just adds more FPS. I see a sale, Im upgrading. Much to my wife's dismay lol Also it gives my computer a longer life.
Your wasting money if you go from a 5800x to 5950 just to game and watch a movie on the other screen.
I game and stream using obs and cpu encoding, which is way more demanding than watching a video etc, just fine and extra cores wont give you more fps.
A better gpu will give you more fps. btw I also have a dual screen set up so often have my game running on one screen and obs and sometimes twitch open on the other.
I am sorry but you are fooling yourself if you think going from 5800x to 5950x just cause you want a video running on your second screen will give you dramatically better fps in game or even be noticeable.
First result from google search:
As you can see the fps increase from 5800x to 5950x is negligible and the 5800X3D actually outperforms the 5950x with low dip being better than the 5950x
If you need better fps than that wait for 7800X3D or the new ryzen 8xxx which are suppose to have fairly good gains and again that will also depend on gpu.
Right now a 5800X3D is balanced nicely with the rtx 4080 performance wise.
Again another first result from a google search of "5800x3D vs 5950x with rtx 4090" so very much not cherry picked, just saying.
Ya, shows about a 5-10% FPS jump using the 5950x. Also, if you are someone who multi tasks that would make it a better option. My gaming rig is also my media server and sometimes I have up to 3 people streaming from my rig while I game. You can get that CPU off Amazon for $450 USD right now, its no longer a $800 CPU. Its a good future proofing.
I don't purchase these from Amazon, no way. I'm going to wait for the Cyber Monday and see what's what over here in the EU. I expect to get R9-5950 for like 550$ tops and a RX 6950 with it ... good time.
I don't purchase these from Amazon, no way. I'm going to wait for the Cyber Monday and see what's what over here in the EU. I expect to get R9-5950 for like 550$ tops and a RX 6950 with it ... good time.
If you try to run R9 5950 and RX 6950 with 650W PSU, you'll be pushing awfully close to whether the PSU can deliver enough power.
I wouldn't recommend it with that PSU.
If you upgrade both CPU and GPU, you should also get more RAM to keep the system balanced.
I don't purchase these from Amazon, no way. I'm going to wait for the Cyber Monday and see what's what over here in the EU. I expect to get R9-5950 for like 550$ tops and a RX 6950 with it ... good time.
If you try to run R9 5950 and RX 6950 with 650W PSU, you'll be pushing awfully close to whether the PSU can deliver enough power.
I wouldn't recommend it with that PSU.
If you upgrade both CPU and GPU, you should also get more RAM to keep the system balanced.
Yes, the RAM is going to be upgraded. If for nothing else, then because it is awfully slow(1066MHz? I can have 32GB at 3200MHz or something for rather cheap). PSU too.
Another reason I am happy I went with Nvidia this time round. I am so happy with my 4070. Nvidia seems to be doing about 9-10 years driver updates. That also means in 3-5 years from now when I sell my 4070, I will be able to sell it to someone for a good price because it will have years and years of updates.
Another reason I am happy I went with Nvidia this time round. I am so happy with my 4070. Nvidia seems to be doing about 9-10 years driver updates. That also means in 3-5 years from now when I sell my 4070, I will be able to sell it to someone for a good price because it will have years and years of updates.
Both vendors decrease their driver support as time passes. They're only seriously trying to optimize for the latest generation, and anything older only gets bug fixes, not optimizations custom to the generation of hardware.
AMD at least tends to port back new features to older hardware, while Nvidia doesn't even do that. If you're worried about longevity of driver support, that's probably the biggest issue.
For example, GeForce 3000 series users who want to use DLSS 3 are out of luck, while AMD's FSR3 is fully supported not just on Radeon 7000 series GPUs, but also 6000 and 5000 series, and even partially supported on older GPUs yet. More egregiously, Nvidia's GeForce 900 series cards never did get proper AdaptiveSync ("G-Sync compatible") support, even though that was the latest generation when AMD's GPUs got such support.
I don't purchase these from Amazon, no way. I'm going to wait for the Cyber Monday and see what's what over here in the EU. I expect to get R9-5950 for like 550$ tops and a RX 6950 with it ... good time.
If you try to run R9 5950 and RX 6950 with 650W PSU, you'll be pushing awfully close to whether the PSU can deliver enough power.
I wouldn't recommend it with that PSU.
If you upgrade both CPU and GPU, you should also get more RAM to keep the system balanced.
Yes, the RAM is going to be upgraded. If for nothing else, then because it is awfully slow(1066MHz? I can have 32GB at 3200MHz or something for rather cheap). PSU too.
1066 MHz is the true clock speed of the memory, without doubling it for DDR. It is clocked 2/3 as fast as what you see marketed as 3200 MHz.
Another reason I am happy I went with Nvidia this time round. I am so happy with my 4070. Nvidia seems to be doing about 9-10 years driver updates. That also means in 3-5 years from now when I sell my 4070, I will be able to sell it to someone for a good price because it will have years and years of updates.
Both vendors decrease their driver support as time passes. They're only seriously trying to optimize for the latest generation, and anything older only gets bug fixes, not optimizations custom to the generation of hardware.
AMD at least tends to port back new features to older hardware, while Nvidia doesn't even do that. If you're worried about longevity of driver support, that's probably the biggest issue.
For example, GeForce 3000 series users who want to use DLSS 3 are out of luck, while AMD's FSR3 is fully supported not just on Radeon 7000 series GPUs, but also 6000 and 5000 series, and even partially supported on older GPUs yet. More egregiously, Nvidia's GeForce 900 series cards never did get proper AdaptiveSync ("G-Sync compatible") support, even though that was the latest generation when AMD's GPUs got such support.
Sure but AMD does it sooner. By about 2-3 years sooner. That was my point. Thats the point that I can recoup some of what I spent and use that towards my next upgrade. Matter or fact, Nvidia dropped at the same time as....
I don't purchase these from Amazon, no way. I'm going to wait for the Cyber Monday and see what's what over here in the EU. I expect to get R9-5950 for like 550$ tops and a RX 6950 with it ... good time.
If you try to run R9 5950 and RX 6950 with 650W PSU, you'll be pushing awfully close to whether the PSU can deliver enough power.
I wouldn't recommend it with that PSU.
If you upgrade both CPU and GPU, you should also get more RAM to keep the system balanced.
Yes, the RAM is going to be upgraded. If for nothing else, then because it is awfully slow(1066MHz? I can have 32GB at 3200MHz or something for rather cheap). PSU too.
1066 MHz is the true clock speed of the memory, without doubling it for DDR. It is clocked 2/3 as fast as what you see marketed as 3200 MHz.
Yeah, I know. Somehow I didn't set them to their real speed. For FOUR years, haha!
About upgrading CPU, how does that interact with Windows?
Another reason I am happy I went with Nvidia this time round. I am so happy with my 4070. Nvidia seems to be doing about 9-10 years driver updates. That also means in 3-5 years from now when I sell my 4070, I will be able to sell it to someone for a good price because it will have years and years of updates.
Both vendors decrease their driver support as time passes. They're only seriously trying to optimize for the latest generation, and anything older only gets bug fixes, not optimizations custom to the generation of hardware.
AMD at least tends to port back new features to older hardware, while Nvidia doesn't even do that. If you're worried about longevity of driver support, that's probably the biggest issue.
For example, GeForce 3000 series users who want to use DLSS 3 are out of luck, while AMD's FSR3 is fully supported not just on Radeon 7000 series GPUs, but also 6000 and 5000 series, and even partially supported on older GPUs yet. More egregiously, Nvidia's GeForce 900 series cards never did get proper AdaptiveSync ("G-Sync compatible") support, even though that was the latest generation when AMD's GPUs got such support.
Sure but AMD does it sooner. By about 2-3 years sooner. That was my point. Thats the point that I can recoup some of what I spent and use that towards my next upgrade. Matter or fact, Nvidia dropped at the same time as....
That they (Nvidia) showed all the products they support now and it goes back, as I said 2-3 years longer then AMD. So ya, there is that!
It's a question of which you prefer. If you prefer being on the main driver branch even though your GPU gets mostly ignored other than verifying that it runs, then yes, Nvidia will do that for longer than AMD. If you prefer getting new feature support that you'll actually notice, then AMD will do that for years longer than Nvidia.
Another reason I am happy I went with Nvidia this time round. I am so happy with my 4070. Nvidia seems to be doing about 9-10 years driver updates. That also means in 3-5 years from now when I sell my 4070, I will be able to sell it to someone for a good price because it will have years and years of updates.
Both vendors decrease their driver support as time passes. They're only seriously trying to optimize for the latest generation, and anything older only gets bug fixes, not optimizations custom to the generation of hardware.
AMD at least tends to port back new features to older hardware, while Nvidia doesn't even do that. If you're worried about longevity of driver support, that's probably the biggest issue.
For example, GeForce 3000 series users who want to use DLSS 3 are out of luck, while AMD's FSR3 is fully supported not just on Radeon 7000 series GPUs, but also 6000 and 5000 series, and even partially supported on older GPUs yet. More egregiously, Nvidia's GeForce 900 series cards never did get proper AdaptiveSync ("G-Sync compatible") support, even though that was the latest generation when AMD's GPUs got such support.
Sure but AMD does it sooner. By about 2-3 years sooner. That was my point. Thats the point that I can recoup some of what I spent and use that towards my next upgrade. Matter or fact, Nvidia dropped at the same time as....
That they (Nvidia) showed all the products they support now and it goes back, as I said 2-3 years longer then AMD. So ya, there is that!
It's a question of which you prefer. If you prefer being on the main driver branch even though your GPU gets mostly ignored other than verifying that it runs, then yes, Nvidia will do that for longer than AMD. If you prefer getting new feature support that you'll actually notice, then AMD will do that for years longer than Nvidia.
Thats not completely true. AMD has been famous on their current cards not to use the latest things like Shaders and other assets. Its cause some games as of late, that the requirement for min specs, AMD needed a newer generation of cards then Nvidia because of this. It is becoming their trend that AMD has dated their cards in more then one way. Drivers included.
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Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Well, I guess something crazy like R9 5950 or somesuch is a possibility. It shouldn't cost over 450$ at the worst.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
I don't purchase these from Amazon, no way. I'm going to wait for the Cyber Monday and see what's what over here in the EU. I expect to get R9-5950 for like 550$ tops and a RX 6950 with it ... good time.
I wouldn't recommend it with that PSU.
If you upgrade both CPU and GPU, you should also get more RAM to keep the system balanced.
Let's see what the Black Friday weekend brings.
AMD at least tends to port back new features to older hardware, while Nvidia doesn't even do that. If you're worried about longevity of driver support, that's probably the biggest issue.
For example, GeForce 3000 series users who want to use DLSS 3 are out of luck, while AMD's FSR3 is fully supported not just on Radeon 7000 series GPUs, but also 6000 and 5000 series, and even partially supported on older GPUs yet. More egregiously, Nvidia's GeForce 900 series cards never did get proper AdaptiveSync ("G-Sync compatible") support, even though that was the latest generation when AMD's GPUs got such support.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/21126/amd-reduces-ongoing-driver-support-for-polaris-and-vega-gpus
That they (Nvidia) showed all the products they support now and it goes back, as I said 2-3 years longer then AMD. So ya, there is that!
About upgrading CPU, how does that interact with Windows?