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Overwatch 2's Review Bombing Controversy: How Much of it is Justified? | MMORPG.com

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edited August 2023 in News & Features Discussion

imageOverwatch 2's Review Bombing Controversy: How Much of it is Justified? | MMORPG.com

Overwatch is one of the past decade's most successful video game releases, yet its sequel is mired in controversy. Recent review bombing on Steam begs the question: is the hate all justified?

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  • ShutaraShutara Member UncommonPosts: 146
    Long story short - f#ck Acti/Blizz, EA and TakeTwo for corroding the game industry more and more with each passing year.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,464
    The whole history of Overwatch is a prime example of what corporate led gameplay leads to, you can have a solid title loved by the fans and end up with the fans screaming.
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  • AngrakhanAngrakhan Member EpicPosts: 1,852
    I dunno I don't really have a dog in this hunt because I don't play competitive FPS games. That being said it seems like Blizzard has been on their heels for a while due simply to the fact they prioritize profit over gameplay. The irony being that if they focused on the latter the former would come just as a natural function of more players playing their games.
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  • Pher0ciousPher0cious Member RarePosts: 530
    edited August 2023
    You know what would've been more amazing? Overwatch2 on steam getting 0 reviews because no one downloaded it.

    These companies do what they do because it works and they make more money for it. One angry player yelling at the clouds has no effect. Until players stop playing en masse. Nothing will change.

    Shutara said:

    Long story short - f#ck Acti/Blizz, EA and TakeTwo for corroding the game industry more and more with each passing year.


    Blaming companies in capitalism is pointless. Blame the players.

    You know what's great? People giving money to streamers then the streamers use that money to buy everything in stores. Then the same people are angry at these companies. Lmao the jokes write themselves!
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  • achesomaachesoma Member RarePosts: 1,768
    They promoted OW2 as PvE content and didn't deliver. Simple as that. Makes me wonder WTF the devs were doing the whole damn time.
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  • NeoyoshiNeoyoshi Member RarePosts: 1,495
    edited August 2023
    It's more than justified in this case. But as a long-time steam user, what i have generally seen from these type of review cases is that In each case there was/is always a reason behind it that percolates to the surface for players, whether it be plainly a poor game experience or something more complex that extends to the development and the people behind the game

    In OW2's steam release case, there are a mountain of reasons behind it spanning almost it's entire game history and even before OW1.

    This isn't the first time the Steam community has used the review system (the only tool we have to curb bad industry standards) to lambast a game into the inner-crusts of the earth.

    However there have been cases were it's been used for the wrong reasons'- such examples can be found here and there- one standout example i can think of was a Thai horror game some years back (a genuinely good thai horror game), -it was review-bombed by the chinese steam userbase for political reasons.

    Another example of review-bombing that was meant to curb bad practices was when we changed mostly all of our positive reviews for NieR: Automata to negative when out of nowhere and after years of the Steam version basically being abandoned and broken (community had to fix the game themselves)- a remastered (fixed) version was being released on Xbox gamepass.

    The reviews were promptly reverted back to positive when we got the Steam version of this update- which some speculate would have never happened if Steam users didn't protest.

    The PC version of John Madden Football series has been lambasted for years by it's steam userbase because of... 'reasons' - look that up for some good reading.

    FIFA games on steam were usually torn apart due to some really disgusting practices with it's loot card rooster series; though more recent FIFA releases have seem to been better about these practices.

    I could keep going.


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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Fuck the integrity of the review score system. Anger justifies giving it a zero.

    :)

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,078
    Mensur said:
    No king rules forever my son!
    Well, One King actually does. :)
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,078
    achesoma said:
    They promoted OW2 as PvE content and didn't deliver. Simple as that. Makes me wonder WTF the devs were doing the whole damn time.
    Sexually harassing the interns apparently.

    ;)
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  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 1,611
    As much as it aligns with facts and isn't a pointless 0 / x. Also, there are few other points that bear mentioning:

    > Integrity: If you give it 0, how about not purchasing it or testing it otherwise? Because what do you hope to achieve with this? They got what they were after(your $$$), after all. Changing opinions is fine, but what it boils to is:

    > Consequences: Be rational, huh? What do you hope to achieve by doing this? Is it going to achieve anything? If not, what's the rationale for doing it? You can always make an angry vent post, no reason for a completely unreasonable 0 / x(very, very few games are a true 0).
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  • mitech616mitech616 Member UncommonPosts: 135
    It's a FREE game. Like it? Play it. Want to buy something? Go ahead. Don't like it? Don't play it. Stuff too expensive? Don't buy it.

    When did free market turn into a bunch of people whining that they didn't get everything they wanted for completely free?

    Just stop complaining and review bombing and play games you like. Sheesh.
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  • mitech616mitech616 Member UncommonPosts: 135

    Kyleran said:


    Mensur said:

    No king rules forever my son!


    Well, One King actually does. :)



    You mean... Burger King?
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  • NeoyoshiNeoyoshi Member RarePosts: 1,495
    edited August 2023

    mitech616 said:

    It's a FREE game. Like it? Play it. Want to buy something? Go ahead. Don't like it? Don't play it. Stuff too expensive? Don't buy it.



    When did free market turn into a bunch of people whining that they didn't get everything they wanted for completely free?



    Just stop complaining and review bombing and play games you like. Sheesh.



    Excuse me but my 2016 purchases for this game when it wasn't free would like to have a word.
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    It also isn't as 'free' as people think it is. But technically yes, a person can install it, and play the free content that is available, for free.

    But it's price tag or lack thereof has really nothing to do with the reviews, there are plenty of free games on steam that do well with the review system; this isn't some bandwagon people are jumping on merely for kicks.

    Baldurs Gate 3 doesn't seem to suffer from this types of review problems? Want to explain why that is?
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  • ValdemarJValdemarJ Member RarePosts: 1,432
    They pissed a lot of their players off. The article asks the wrong question in my opinion. Favor is something that is earned, not an entitlement.

    The problem is leadership and a rotten corporate culture. "something something phones"
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    edited August 2023
    Gorwe said:
    As much as it aligns with facts and isn't a pointless 0 / x. Also, there are few other points that bear mentioning:

    > Integrity: If you give it 0, how about not purchasing it or testing it otherwise? Because what do you hope to achieve with this? They got what they were after(your $$$), after all. Changing opinions is fine, but what it boils to is:

    > Consequences: Be rational, huh? What do you hope to achieve by doing this? Is it going to achieve anything? If not, what's the rationale for doing it? You can always make an angry vent post, no reason for a completely unreasonable 0 / x(very, very few games are a true 0).
    Exactly the point of my sarcasm. This article asks about justifiable degrees of review bombing as if review bombing were a legit tool for gamers to use when in fact it is a dishonest way to throw a tantrum that undermines the credibility of user scores for anything and everything.

    Its frequent use on Metacritic is why I pay 0 attention to user scores there.

    There are other outlets for expressing anger and outrage over specific games or studios in general. But review bombing is just dishonest and dumb precisely because it undermines the credibility of a tool, user scores, which if done honestly, can be a help to us in deciding whether to play or not play a game.

    It's a clear case of gamers cutting off their noses to spite their faces.
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  • GorweGorwe Member Posts: 1,611
    Neoyoshi said:

    mitech616 said:

    It's a FREE game. Like it? Play it. Want to buy something? Go ahead. Don't like it? Don't play it. Stuff too expensive? Don't buy it.



    When did free market turn into a bunch of people whining that they didn't get everything they wanted for completely free?



    Just stop complaining and review bombing and play games you like. Sheesh.



    Excuse me but my 2016 purchases for this game when it wasn't free would like to have a word.
    image
    It also isn't as 'free' as people think it is. But technically yes, a person can install it, and play the free content that is available, for free.

    But it's price tag or lack thereof has really nothing to do with the reviews, there are plenty of free games on steam that do well with the review system; this isn't some bandwagon people are jumping on merely for kicks.

    Baldurs Gate 3 doesn't seem to suffer from this types of review problems? Want to explain why that is?
    It could be argued that Larian(in general, currently) is a community darling and as such, tends to feature this exact problem, but with the opposite sign(+ instead of -).
  • JeroKaneJeroKane Member EpicPosts: 7,098
    It's simple.  Overwatch 2 did not need to exist. It brought nothing new to the table and could have easily been released as DLC to Overwatch 1.

    It was a pure greed decision to release OverWatch 2 as new game, to reset the cash shop!

    Pretty much par de course what Blizzard has become as company. Just ActiVision now.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    templarga said:


    Now review bombing by actually players (like on Steam) is a different story. So what I argue is "legit players who are angry over one specific aspect of the game" and then review bomb the game is okay in my opinion. The words of the devs, quality of the company decisions and treatment of the players all go into the review. Its like reviewing a restaurant for a meal - the staff, the ambience, the surroundings, etc... all go into the review.


    Maybe semantics but I don't consider that review bombing. On Steam that's just negative reviews by verified players and they can use whatever criteria they want to give it a thumbs up or down.

    Review bombing is what happens on sites like Rotten Tomatoes or Metacritic where, as you say, anyone can make fake accounts to do bogus scores as PS fanboys are already organizing to do to Starfield.
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,067
    edited August 2023
    It always depends on the reason. Review bombs for stupid reasons like first-party console exclusivity, or "wokeness" are always unjustified.

    Review bombs for valid reasons like a bad port, scrapped content, or bad business model decisions are justified. However, I think one should review bomb based on the rating the decision in question actually brings the game to. Does the nerf patch of Diablo 4 season 1 make the game a 0-1/10. Fuck no. Does it make it a 5-7 out of 10? Maybe. Does a bad roster make a crossover/spinoff celebration a 1/10. No. Does it warrant a couple points off the score? Probably. 

    Is Overwatch 2 actually the worst game on Steam or even deserving of being in the bottom 100? Have you SEEN the other games in the bottom 100? Grow up.
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  • LaterisLateris Member UncommonPosts: 1,848
    I played it but preferred MMORPG's. It is just not my cup of tea for sustenance. It is a fun game and works very well, junk rat rocks. The folks at Blizzard have dealt with a lot of issues and I wish them well.
  • WarlyxWarlyx Member EpicPosts: 3,368

    mitech616 said:

    It's a FREE game. Like it? Play it. Want to buy something? Go ahead. Don't like it? Don't play it. Stuff too expensive? Don't buy it.



    When did free market turn into a bunch of people whining that they didn't get everything they wanted for completely free?



    Just stop complaining and review bombing and play games you like. Sheesh.



    free game? ppl payed for OW
  • XiaokiXiaoki Member EpicPosts: 4,050
    The rule here is:

    If it's a game I do NOT like then it's gamers voicing their opinion.

    If it's a game I do like then it's unjustified review bombing.
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