I listened to one of the legendary devs behind Fallout the other day and he made some interesting points. The problem with game development and development in general today, is that there is barely no risk taking. No risk taking means slow production, which leads to higher costs, longer development times and, in my opinion, bland games.
That's why the indie market has been booming for years. They are taking the risks and eventually a game pops and creates a new "genre". There is simply no risk-taking in the MMO-market these days. Everything is planned into "perfection". So with Ashes of Creation. I don't think they will succeed as they are taking very safe steps.
I can't buy a preorder package now? Oh poop. I wanted to get into beta. I thought they would offer them until the end of December. Poop.
Well you are in luck my friend!
Because you can STILL go to their website and buy a pre-order package by spending anywhere from $75 to $375 to secure your spot!
And as for "Beta"... since they only say that "Alpha 2 test" will start sometime in 2024... I am very confident that you will have plenty of opportunities in the future to secure your "limited" spots in the beta!
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These Kickstarter MMOs give us completely unrealistic launch dates because they know if they are honest and tell us the truth that the "gameplay" video they just showed you was not representative of the game at all and that development will take at least 10 years then no one would donate to the Kickstarter.
Kickstarter MMOs is like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. He knows he's being tricked but he falls for it every single time.
Every company does. MS, Sony, 10 Cent. Name it, EA
DIfference = If I decide MS, Sony or EA are taking too long, I can get my money back.
Kind of important distinction. All those companies are playing with their own money. Kickstart companies are playing with the customer's money.
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These Kickstarter MMOs give us completely unrealistic launch dates because they know if they are honest and tell us the truth that the "gameplay" video they just showed you was not representative of the game at all and that development will take at least 10 years then no one would donate to the Kickstarter.
Kickstarter MMOs is like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. He knows he's being tricked but he falls for it every single time.
Every company does. MS, Sony, 10 Cent. Name it, EA
DIfference = If I decide MS, Sony or EA are taking too long, I can get my money back.
Kind of important distinction. All those companies are playing with their own money. Kickstart companies are playing with the customer's money.
Hmm, can't recall last time I've played a game made by MS, Sony, EA or Tencent.
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These Kickstarter MMOs give us completely unrealistic launch dates because they know if they are honest and tell us the truth that the "gameplay" video they just showed you was not representative of the game at all and that development will take at least 10 years then no one would donate to the Kickstarter.
Kickstarter MMOs is like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. He knows he's being tricked but he falls for it every single time.
Every company does. MS, Sony, 10 Cent. Name it, EA
Except this companies are giving good, bad or..decent games ......with their own money.
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy? Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
These Kickstarter MMOs give us completely unrealistic launch dates because they know if they are honest and tell us the truth that the "gameplay" video they just showed you was not representative of the game at all and that development will take at least 10 years then no one would donate to the Kickstarter.
Kickstarter MMOs is like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. He knows he's being tricked but he falls for it every single time.
Every company does. MS, Sony, 10 Cent. Name it, EA
DIfference = If I decide MS, Sony or EA are taking too long, I can get my money back.
Kind of important distinction. All those companies are playing with their own money. Kickstart companies are playing with the customer's money.
Hmm, can't recall last time I've played a game made by MS, Sony, EA or Tencent.
Guess I avoid games made by liars.
I've played Starfield and play stuff on GAMEPASS all the time. It also includes EA games for free. Best deal in gaming IMHO. At least until it gets jacked up in price like all other services.
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These Kickstarter MMOs give us completely unrealistic launch dates because they know if they are honest and tell us the truth that the "gameplay" video they just showed you was not representative of the game at all and that development will take at least 10 years then no one would donate to the Kickstarter.
Kickstarter MMOs is like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. He knows he's being tricked but he falls for it every single time.
Every company does. MS, Sony, 10 Cent. Name it, EA
Except this companies are giving good, bad or..decent games ......with their own money.
Their money comes from our wallets just like Kickstarters. My point is this is not a Ashes problem, this is a industry wide problem. Pointing the finger at Kickstarter as the problem is not correct. I personally think companies need to be held accountable for giving wakadoodle release windows. Like MS and Starfield. That game had maybe 6 different release dates I can remember over the course of 2 years or so.
These Kickstarter MMOs give us completely unrealistic launch dates because they know if they are honest and tell us the truth that the "gameplay" video they just showed you was not representative of the game at all and that development will take at least 10 years then no one would donate to the Kickstarter.
Kickstarter MMOs is like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. He knows he's being tricked but he falls for it every single time.
Every company does. MS, Sony, 10 Cent. Name it, EA
Except this companies are giving good, bad or..decent games ......with their own money.
Their money comes from our wallets just like Kickstarters. My point is this is not a Ashes problem, this is a industry wide problem. Pointing the finger at Kickstarter as the problem is not correct. I personally think companies need to be held accountable for giving wakadoodle release windows. Like MS and Starfield. That game had maybe 6 different release dates I can remember over the course of 2 years or so.
Again- It's not the same because with Starfield, anyone could have decided it was taking too long and gotten their money back. Can we do that with Ashes of Creation? With Pantheon? With Star Citizen?
I CAN hold MS or EA accountable if they take too long by refunding my money (if any was even taken, which is unlikely). I have no such recourse with Ashes of Creation. Now if you would join me and convince Stephen to offer refunds then it would be a fair comparison but I really doubt the MLM guy who made a fortune selling XangoJuice is going to do that.
No my friend, this is ABSOLUTELY a Crowdfunding issue and this is why they use "donation" as opposed to sale.
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These Kickstarter MMOs give us completely unrealistic launch dates because they know if they are honest and tell us the truth that the "gameplay" video they just showed you was not representative of the game at all and that development will take at least 10 years then no one would donate to the Kickstarter.
Kickstarter MMOs is like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. He knows he's being tricked but he falls for it every single time.
Every company does. MS, Sony, 10 Cent. Name it, EA
Except this companies are giving good, bad or..decent games ......with their own money.
Their money comes from our wallets just like Kickstarters. My point is this is not a Ashes problem, this is a industry wide problem. Pointing the finger at Kickstarter as the problem is not correct. I personally think companies need to be held accountable for giving wakadoodle release windows. Like MS and Starfield. That game had maybe 6 different release dates I can remember over the course of 2 years or so.
Again- It's not the same because with Starfield, anyone could have decided it was taking too long and gotten their money back. Can we do that with Ashes of Creation? With Pantheon? With Star Citizen?
I CAN hold MS or EA accountable if they take too long by refunding my money (if any was even taken, which is unlikely). I have no such recourse with Ashes of Creation. Now if you would join me and convince Stephen to offer refunds then it would be a fair comparison but I really doubt the MLM guy who made a fortune selling XangoJuice is going to do that.
No my friend, this is ABSOLUTELY a Crowdfunding issue and this is why they use "donation" as opposed to sale.
Thats a thought. But the outcome is much the same. Asking for money for products that are not done in the time the company has promised and people have handed them money. Also, there are kickstarters who refund money.
These Kickstarter MMOs give us completely unrealistic launch dates because they know if they are honest and tell us the truth that the "gameplay" video they just showed you was not representative of the game at all and that development will take at least 10 years then no one would donate to the Kickstarter.
Kickstarter MMOs is like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. He knows he's being tricked but he falls for it every single time.
Every company does. MS, Sony, 10 Cent. Name it, EA
Except this companies are giving good, bad or..decent games ......with their own money.
Their money comes from our wallets just like Kickstarters. My point is this is not a Ashes problem, this is a industry wide problem. Pointing the finger at Kickstarter as the problem is not correct. I personally think companies need to be held accountable for giving wakadoodle release windows. Like MS and Starfield. That game had maybe 6 different release dates I can remember over the course of 2 years or so.
Again- It's not the same because with Starfield, anyone could have decided it was taking too long and gotten their money back. Can we do that with Ashes of Creation? With Pantheon? With Star Citizen?
I CAN hold MS or EA accountable if they take too long by refunding my money (if any was even taken, which is unlikely). I have no such recourse with Ashes of Creation. Now if you would join me and convince Stephen to offer refunds then it would be a fair comparison but I really doubt the MLM guy who made a fortune selling XangoJuice is going to do that.
No my friend, this is ABSOLUTELY a Crowdfunding issue and this is why they use "donation" as opposed to sale.
Thats a thought. But the outcome is much the same. Asking for money for products that are not done in the time the company has promised and people have handed them money. Also, there are kickstarters who refund money.
If they refund money then they are not the problem. 99.21% do not. The only MMORPG one that I know of is Camelot Unchained and that process literally takes years, requires jumping through 89 hoops, and does not actually refund ALL your money.
There is a fundamental difference between a developer that takes your money and 10 years later has not delivered that product and refuses refunds, and a developer that takes your money, delays a game and gives you your money back.
In the first instance, its pretty much the developer saying "Im breaking my end of the deal. Tough Luck". The the second it's saying "I can't deliver what I promised so I will offer your money back".
Huge difference.
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These Kickstarter MMOs give us completely unrealistic launch dates because they know if they are honest and tell us the truth that the "gameplay" video they just showed you was not representative of the game at all and that development will take at least 10 years then no one would donate to the Kickstarter.
Kickstarter MMOs is like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. He knows he's being tricked but he falls for it every single time.
Every company does. MS, Sony, 10 Cent. Name it, EA
Except this companies are giving good, bad or..decent games ......with their own money.
Their money comes from our wallets just like Kickstarters. My point is this is not a Ashes problem, this is a industry wide problem. Pointing the finger at Kickstarter as the problem is not correct. I personally think companies need to be held accountable for giving wakadoodle release windows. Like MS and Starfield. That game had maybe 6 different release dates I can remember over the course of 2 years or so.
Again- It's not the same because with Starfield, anyone could have decided it was taking too long and gotten their money back. Can we do that with Ashes of Creation? With Pantheon? With Star Citizen?
I CAN hold MS or EA accountable if they take too long by refunding my money (if any was even taken, which is unlikely). I have no such recourse with Ashes of Creation. Now if you would join me and convince Stephen to offer refunds then it would be a fair comparison but I really doubt the MLM guy who made a fortune selling XangoJuice is going to do that.
No my friend, this is ABSOLUTELY a Crowdfunding issue and this is why they use "donation" as opposed to sale.
Thats a thought. But the outcome is much the same. Asking for money for products that are not done in the time the company has promised and people have handed them money. Also, there are kickstarters who refund money.
If they refund money then they are not the problem. 99.21% do not. The only MMORPG one that I know of is Camelot Unchained and that process literally takes years, requires jumping through 89 hoops, and does not actually refund ALL your money.
There is a fundamental difference between a developer that takes your money and 10 years later has not delivered that product and refuses refunds, and a developer that takes your money, delays a game and gives you your money back.
In the first instance, its pretty much the developer saying "Im breaking my end of the deal. Tough Luck". The the second it's saying "I can't deliver what I promised so I will offer your money back".
Huge difference.
Another important point I think our friend is missing is that even though people are essentially giving them money to test their product, the final product (if it ever makes it to release) could still turn out to be 'wakadoodle' as he calls it.....then what? Many things dont maintain their integrity through testing phases. Archeage and New World are prime examples.
Well guess I got time to raise a kid, build a house, travel the world or pick up a hobby where I build life sized cars out of toothpicks before I need to get anywhere near the edge of my seat regarding this game.
LOL
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Well guess I got time to raise a kid, build a house, travel the world or pick up a hobby where I build life sized cars out of toothpicks before I need to get anywhere near the edge of my seat regarding this game.
LOL
You my friend have time to train for and climb Mt Everest before you'll be playing the released version of any of these KSer MMOs.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Hey.. lo and behold they have an update posted. Shockingly the "end" of the "sale" is not until 2024... and they also state they will re-open sales at a later date. Just creating fake FOMO. So do not worry folks. You can still toss your money at Stephen.
Why are the Pre-Order Packs ending?
Our pre-order packs were intended to be a way for players to support the project by providing an opportunity to collect exclusive cosmetic appearances that are used in creating the world of Verra, while respecting our commitment to zero-tolerance pay-to-win whatsoever. As we draw closer to our Alpha Two and Beta testing periods, we want to ensure a glorious experience for our players who have signed up to help make Ashes of Creation the MMORPG it deserves to be. To that end, we have decided to discontinue the packs until such time as our internal and/or external testing supports the admission of additional testers. We will continue to update our community when more ways become available to access Alpha Two or Beta testing through our communication channels.
2. When will the final Pre-Order Packs end?
The final Pre-Order Packs will end on January 17, 2024 at 11:00 a.m. Pacific in order to ensure everyone has enough time and notice with regards to the final Pre-Order Packs’ availability.
3. Does this include the Beta One and Beta Two Pre-Order Packages as well?
Yes. While we anticipate we will reopen the ability to purchase Beta packages in the future, these options will not adopt the same format of regularly recurring monthly exclusive cosmetics as our existing Pre-Order Packages currently offer.
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I've really come to dislike his overuse of the term "glorious" when communicates.
It comes across as insincere and perhaps almost as if mocking his backers.
At least that's how I hear him in my head, sort of a Colonel Parker style film flam man.
Hey Colonel Steven, how many more days until Beta?
A new nickname is born, The Colonel
I'm an OG backer and I don't take it mockingly. "Glorious" is just a catchphrase to create a community identity with a veneer of humanity.
I could dissect intentions, marketing, MLM, and all that, but I just can't give af anymore. Seriously, don't care if it releases or if it's any good. I'll install it because I paid for it and have a strong experiential curiosity. But I'm way past being interested in playing this kind of game and I've grown to loathe MMRPG pvp.
I've really come to dislike his overuse of the term "glorious" when communicates.
It comes across as insincere and perhaps almost as if mocking his backers.
At least that's how I hear him in my head, sort of a Colonel Parker style film flam man.
Hey Colonel Steven, how many more days until Beta?
A new nickname is born, The Colonel
I'm an OG backer and I don't take it mockingly. "Glorious" is just a catchphrase to create a community identity with a veneer of humanity.
I could dissect intentions, marketing, MLM, and all that, but I just can't give af anymore. Seriously, don't care if it releases or if it's any good. I'll install it because I paid for it and have a strong experiential curiosity. But I'm way past being interested in playing this kind of game and I've grown to loathe MMRPG pvp.
How I feel about CU right now. No longer interested in playing that type of game these days.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
I've really come to dislike his overuse of the term "glorious" when communicates.
It comes across as insincere and perhaps almost as if mocking his backers.
At least that's how I hear him in my head, sort of a Colonel Parker style film flam man.
Hey Colonel Steven, how many more days until Beta?
A new nickname is born, The Colonel
I'm an OG backer and I don't take it mockingly. "Glorious" is just a catchphrase to create a community identity with a veneer of humanity.
I could dissect intentions, marketing, MLM, and all that, but I just can't give af anymore. Seriously, don't care if it releases or if it's any good. I'll install it because I paid for it and have a strong experiential curiosity. But I'm way past being interested in playing this kind of game and I've grown to loathe MMRPG pvp.
How I feel about CU right now. No longer interested in playing that type of game these days.
I have backed 2 games. Pantheon and Ashes. They will be the last for me. I will still be the fool who pre-orders games when it's a game Im sure I plan on playing day one. I think most feel fatigue of kick starter games.
I've really come to dislike his overuse of the term "glorious" when communicates.
It comes across as insincere and perhaps almost as if mocking his backers.
At least that's how I hear him in my head, sort of a Colonel Parker style film flam man.
Hey Colonel Steven, how many more days until Beta?
A new nickname is born, The Colonel
I'm an OG backer and I don't take it mockingly. "Glorious" is just a catchphrase to create a community identity with a veneer of humanity.
I could dissect intentions, marketing, MLM, and all that, but I just can't give af anymore. Seriously, don't care if it releases or if it's any good. I'll install it because I paid for it and have a strong experiential curiosity. But I'm way past being interested in playing this kind of game and I've grown to loathe MMRPG pvp.
How I feel about CU right now. No longer interested in playing that type of game these days.
I have backed 2 games. Pantheon and Ashes. They will be the last for me. I will still be the fool who pre-orders games when it's a game Im sure I plan on playing day one. I think most feel fatigue of kick starter games.
If they ever release I'll give them a look-see, assuming I'm still "here" of course.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
I've really come to dislike his overuse of the term "glorious" when communicates.
It comes across as insincere and perhaps almost as if mocking his backers.
At least that's how I hear him in my head, sort of a Colonel Parker style film flam man.
Hey Colonel Steven, how many more days until Beta?
A new nickname is born, The Colonel
I'm an OG backer and I don't take it mockingly. "Glorious" is just a catchphrase to create a community identity with a veneer of humanity.
I could dissect intentions, marketing, MLM, and all that, but I just can't give af anymore. Seriously, don't care if it releases or if it's any good. I'll install it because I paid for it and have a strong experiential curiosity. But I'm way past being interested in playing this kind of game and I've grown to loathe MMRPG pvp.
How I feel about CU right now. No longer interested in playing that type of game these days.
I have backed 2 games. Pantheon and Ashes. They will be the last for me. I will still be the fool who pre-orders games when it's a game Im sure I plan on playing day one. I think most feel fatigue of kick starter games.
If they ever release I'll give them a look-see, assuming I'm still "here" of course.
I've really come to dislike his overuse of the term "glorious" when communicates.
It comes across as insincere and perhaps almost as if mocking his backers.
At least that's how I hear him in my head, sort of a Colonel Parker style film flam man.
Hey Colonel Steven, how many more days until Beta?
A new nickname is born, The Colonel
I'm an OG backer and I don't take it mockingly. "Glorious" is just a catchphrase to create a community identity with a veneer of humanity.
I could dissect intentions, marketing, MLM, and all that, but I just can't give af anymore. Seriously, don't care if it releases or if it's any good. I'll install it because I paid for it and have a strong experiential curiosity. But I'm way past being interested in playing this kind of game and I've grown to loathe MMRPG pvp.
How I feel about CU right now. No longer interested in playing that type of game these days.
I have backed 2 games. Pantheon and Ashes. They will be the last for me. I will still be the fool who pre-orders games when it's a game Im sure I plan on playing day one. I think most feel fatigue of kick starter games.
If they ever release I'll give them a look-see, assuming I'm still "here" of course.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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That's why the indie market has been booming for years. They are taking the risks and eventually a game pops and creates a new "genre". There is simply no risk-taking in the MMO-market these days. Everything is planned into "perfection". So with Ashes of Creation. I don't think they will succeed as they are taking very safe steps.
Because you can STILL go to their website and buy a pre-order package by spending anywhere from $75 to $375 to secure your spot!
And as for "Beta"... since they only say that "Alpha 2 test" will start sometime in 2024... I am very confident that you will have plenty of opportunities in the future to secure your "limited" spots in the beta!
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Kind of important distinction. All those companies are playing with their own money. Kickstart companies are playing with the customer's money.
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Guess I avoid games made by liars.
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Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
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I CAN hold MS or EA accountable if they take too long by refunding my money (if any was even taken, which is unlikely). I have no such recourse with Ashes of Creation. Now if you would join me and convince Stephen to offer refunds then it would be a fair comparison but I really doubt the MLM guy who made a fortune selling XangoJuice is going to do that.
No my friend, this is ABSOLUTELY a Crowdfunding issue and this is why they use "donation" as opposed to sale.
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There is a fundamental difference between a developer that takes your money and 10 years later has not delivered that product and refuses refunds, and a developer that takes your money, delays a game and gives you your money back.
In the first instance, its pretty much the developer saying "Im breaking my end of the deal. Tough Luck". The the second it's saying "I can't deliver what I promised so I will offer your money back".
Huge difference.
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Another important point I think our friend is missing is that even though people are essentially giving them money to test their product, the final product (if it ever makes it to release) could still turn out to be 'wakadoodle' as he calls it.....then what? Many things dont maintain their integrity through testing phases. Archeage and New World are prime examples.
Alpha 2!!!
Well guess I got time to raise a kid, build a house, travel the world or pick up a hobby where I build life sized cars out of toothpicks before I need to get anywhere near the edge of my seat regarding this game.
LOL
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Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
It comes across as insincere and perhaps almost as if mocking his backers.
At least that's how I hear him in my head, sort of a Colonel Parker style film flam man.
Hey Colonel Steven, how many more days until Beta?
A new nickname is born, The Colonel
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon