Regarding plagiarism, funny thing is Blizzard has always copied other games' ideas and just simplified/polished them.
- Warcraft was a copy of Dune 2, the first RTS. - Overwatch was a copy of TF2. - The older posters can tell how much WoW is a simplified version of EQ2's design but I have heard that thrown around a lot too.
HotS wanted in on the Moba bandwagon. Although they did some intetesting and original things there (and funnily failed, at least according to their standards, which is a pity imo).
Have I ever mentioned that I'm not a fan of Blizzard games, especially anything past Vanilla WOW either?
I won't fault their quality, it's as good as anyone else's in the gaming industry, but certainly not a gold standard.
Definitely low on the innovation scale far as I'm concerned, but same is true for almost every other company as well, regardless where they are made.
They do however know how to make good money, can't fault them in that department. Apparently they are keeping many gamers happy, just not me.
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I personally can't think of any good games (or at least any I've enjoyed) that have come out of China. Same for most products unless they are made on behalf of a company located outside of China, like smart phones.
I don't think many people think China when seeking quality goods, rather inexpensive and mostly average come to mind. As mentioned the country's political and social environment is not condusive to innovation or making good games.
Nothing I've just said is racist, but they are my personal opinions on quality of Chinese made games. Perhaps one day I'll play and enjoy a well made MMO from China, but until I do....
There certainly are many bad games and products manufactured elsewhere in the world but that isn't part of this conversation.
It's very common for racists to think they are not racist.
It's even more common for people to not to understand what racism really is or the subtle but important difference it is from nationalism.
BTW, be careful not to look in any mirrors.
Criticizing the actions and policies of the Chinese government is not racist but that is not what you did. You generalized all Chinese products as being low quality and that people have a low opinion of China, the nation as a whole, for its low quality products.
That is racist. If you cant see the difference then you are a racist.
Actually there is nothing at all racist about that because Chinese is NOT a race. China is a country. This really shouldn't be hard to understand. If you said you hate American products as being derivative and driven by a corporate culture, and had a low opinion of American goods that would not be a racist statement. At all.
I have exclusively purchased Japanese cars for the last 20 years. I think the products are superior in the areas I think are important. That does not make me a racist against Americans, Germans, Koreans or any others (those are countries... not races). I just believe that the Japanese make better cars.
There is no denying that countries tend to have certain styles when it comes to games. In most cases they are creating a product for their domestic market first and foremost, and those markets have different cultural expectations for production quality, art style, gameplay, etc...
This is really a simple concept. And when people incorrectly throw the "racist" phrase around, like you are doing repeatedly, it dilutes it's value when applied in ACTUAL racist situations.
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I personally can't think of any good games (or at least any I've enjoyed) that have come out of China. Same for most products unless they are made on behalf of a company located outside of China, like smart phones.
I don't think many people think China when seeking quality goods, rather inexpensive and mostly average come to mind. As mentioned the country's political and social environment is not condusive to innovation or making good games.
Nothing I've just said is racist, but they are my personal opinions on quality of Chinese made games. Perhaps one day I'll play and enjoy a well made MMO from China, but until I do....
There certainly are many bad games and products manufactured elsewhere in the world but that isn't part of this conversation.
It's very common for racists to think they are not racist.
It's even more common for people to not to understand what racism really is or the subtle but important difference it is from nationalism.
BTW, be careful not to look in any mirrors.
Criticizing the actions and policies of the Chinese government is not racist but that is not what you did. You generalized all Chinese products as being low quality and that people have a low opinion of China, the nation as a whole, for its low quality products.
That is racist. If you cant see the difference then you are a racist.
Actually there is nothing at all racist about that because Chinese is NOT a race. China is a country. This really shouldn't be hard to understand. If you said you hate American products as being derivative and driven by a corporate culture, and had a low opinion of American goods that would not be a racist statement. At all.
I have exclusively purchased Japanese cars for the last 20 years. I think the products are superior in the areas I think are important. That does not make me a racist against Americans, Germans, Koreans or any others (those are countries... not races). I just believe that the Japanese make better cars.
There is no denying that countries tend to have certain styles when it comes to games. In most cases they are creating a product for their domestic market first and foremost, and those markets have different cultural expectations for production quality, art style, gameplay, etc...
This is really a simple concept. And when people incorrectly throw the "racist" phrase around, like you are doing repeatedly, it dilutes it's value when applied in ACTUAL racist situations.
Funny you mention cars because I have a close relative high up in the international auto industry and this is exactly how they refer to cars. Car design is distinctive so when you say German, Japanese or American made, its not racist or an insult, it refers to a design decisions. And with that comes certain expectations as well.
I see it the same with games made from Chinese developers, it refers to design decisions that permeates those games. Just like saying a Blizzard made game or the like. At most it is stereotypical, but not racist.
I personally can't think of any good games (or at least any I've enjoyed) that have come out of China. Same for most products unless they are made on behalf of a company located outside of China, like smart phones.
I don't think many people think China when seeking quality goods, rather inexpensive and mostly average come to mind. As mentioned the country's political and social environment is not condusive to innovation or making good games.
Nothing I've just said is racist, but they are my personal opinions on quality of Chinese made games. Perhaps one day I'll play and enjoy a well made MMO from China, but until I do....
There certainly are many bad games and products manufactured elsewhere in the world but that isn't part of this conversation.
It's very common for racists to think they are not racist.
It's even more common for people to not to understand what racism really is or the subtle but important difference it is from nationalism.
BTW, be careful not to look in any mirrors.
Criticizing the actions and policies of the Chinese government is not racist but that is not what you did. You generalized all Chinese products as being low quality and that people have a low opinion of China, the nation as a whole, for its low quality products.
That is racist. If you cant see the difference then you are a racist.
Actually there is nothing at all racist about that because Chinese is NOT a race. China is a country. This really shouldn't be hard to understand. If you said you hate American products as being derivative and driven by a corporate culture, and had a low opinion of American goods that would not be a racist statement. At all.
I have exclusively purchased Japanese cars for the last 20 years. I think the products are superior in the areas I think are important. That does not make me a racist against Americans, Germans, Koreans or any others (those are countries... not races). I just believe that the Japanese make better cars.
There is no denying that countries tend to have certain styles when it comes to games. In most cases they are creating a product for their domestic market first and foremost, and those markets have different cultural expectations for production quality, art style, gameplay, etc...
This is really a simple concept. And when people incorrectly throw the "racist" phrase around, like you are doing repeatedly, it dilutes it's value when applied in ACTUAL racist situations.
It is racist when you make broad generalizations and disparaging remarks about the population of a country like China as it is over 95% asian.
Its sad but unfortunately quite common on MMORPG that people will try very hard to dismiss racism and racist remarks.
I personally can't think of any good games (or at least any I've enjoyed) that have come out of China. Same for most products unless they are made on behalf of a company located outside of China, like smart phones.
I don't think many people think China when seeking quality goods, rather inexpensive and mostly average come to mind. As mentioned the country's political and social environment is not condusive to innovation or making good games.
Nothing I've just said is racist, but they are my personal opinions on quality of Chinese made games. Perhaps one day I'll play and enjoy a well made MMO from China, but until I do....
There certainly are many bad games and products manufactured elsewhere in the world but that isn't part of this conversation.
It's very common for racists to think they are not racist.
It's even more common for people to not to understand what racism really is or the subtle but important difference it is from nationalism.
BTW, be careful not to look in any mirrors.
Criticizing the actions and policies of the Chinese government is not racist but that is not what you did. You generalized all Chinese products as being low quality and that people have a low opinion of China, the nation as a whole, for its low quality products.
That is racist. If you cant see the difference then you are a racist.
Actually there is nothing at all racist about that because Chinese is NOT a race. China is a country. This really shouldn't be hard to understand. If you said you hate American products as being derivative and driven by a corporate culture, and had a low opinion of American goods that would not be a racist statement. At all.
I have exclusively purchased Japanese cars for the last 20 years. I think the products are superior in the areas I think are important. That does not make me a racist against Americans, Germans, Koreans or any others (those are countries... not races). I just believe that the Japanese make better cars.
There is no denying that countries tend to have certain styles when it comes to games. In most cases they are creating a product for their domestic market first and foremost, and those markets have different cultural expectations for production quality, art style, gameplay, etc...
This is really a simple concept. And when people incorrectly throw the "racist" phrase around, like you are doing repeatedly, it dilutes it's value when applied in ACTUAL racist situations.
It is racist when you make broad generalizations and disparaging remarks about the population of a country like China as it is over 95% asian.
Its sad but unfortunately quite common on MMORPG that people will try very hard to dismiss racism and racist remarks.
Everything is racist when all you're ever looking for is racism.
I personally can't think of any good games (or at least any I've enjoyed) that have come out of China. Same for most products unless they are made on behalf of a company located outside of China, like smart phones.
I don't think many people think China when seeking quality goods, rather inexpensive and mostly average come to mind. As mentioned the country's political and social environment is not condusive to innovation or making good games.
Nothing I've just said is racist, but they are my personal opinions on quality of Chinese made games. Perhaps one day I'll play and enjoy a well made MMO from China, but until I do....
There certainly are many bad games and products manufactured elsewhere in the world but that isn't part of this conversation.
It's very common for racists to think they are not racist.
It's even more common for people to not to understand what racism really is or the subtle but important difference it is from nationalism.
BTW, be careful not to look in any mirrors.
Criticizing the actions and policies of the Chinese government is not racist but that is not what you did. You generalized all Chinese products as being low quality and that people have a low opinion of China, the nation as a whole, for its low quality products.
That is racist. If you cant see the difference then you are a racist.
Actually there is nothing at all racist about that because Chinese is NOT a race. China is a country. This really shouldn't be hard to understand. If you said you hate American products as being derivative and driven by a corporate culture, and had a low opinion of American goods that would not be a racist statement. At all.
I have exclusively purchased Japanese cars for the last 20 years. I think the products are superior in the areas I think are important. That does not make me a racist against Americans, Germans, Koreans or any others (those are countries... not races). I just believe that the Japanese make better cars.
There is no denying that countries tend to have certain styles when it comes to games. In most cases they are creating a product for their domestic market first and foremost, and those markets have different cultural expectations for production quality, art style, gameplay, etc...
This is really a simple concept. And when people incorrectly throw the "racist" phrase around, like you are doing repeatedly, it dilutes it's value when applied in ACTUAL racist situations.
It is racist when you make broad generalizations and disparaging remarks about the population of a country like China as it is over 95% asian.
Its sad but unfortunately quite common on MMORPG that people will try very hard to dismiss racism and racist remarks.
So are people in this thread being racist about Chinese people or Asians? I am confused because you throw those terms around like they are synonymous and I know many Chinese, Japanese, and Korean people who want to be identified by their ethnicity, and deem the term "Asian" as disrespectful. So to be accurate, China is made up of multiple ethnic groups with Han at over 90%, and other groups including Tibetans, Mongols, Uyghurs as well.
And so far most of the comments are about goods or services, not people. One can make associations about the products of a country without being racist. There are common threads to Chinese-developed video games that I do not like. That does not make me racist, it makes me a consumer who does not purchase video games from China. I can say the same thing about Korean made games and its not racism at all.
I personally can't think of any good games (or at least any I've enjoyed) that have come out of China. Same for most products unless they are made on behalf of a company located outside of China, like smart phones.
I don't think many people think China when seeking quality goods, rather inexpensive and mostly average come to mind. As mentioned the country's political and social environment is not condusive to innovation or making good games.
Nothing I've just said is racist, but they are my personal opinions on quality of Chinese made games. Perhaps one day I'll play and enjoy a well made MMO from China, but until I do....
There certainly are many bad games and products manufactured elsewhere in the world but that isn't part of this conversation.
It's very common for racists to think they are not racist.
It's even more common for people to not to understand what racism really is or the subtle but important difference it is from nationalism.
BTW, be careful not to look in any mirrors.
Criticizing the actions and policies of the Chinese government is not racist but that is not what you did. You generalized all Chinese products as being low quality and that people have a low opinion of China, the nation as a whole, for its low quality products.
That is racist. If you cant see the difference then you are a racist.
Actually there is nothing at all racist about that because Chinese is NOT a race. China is a country. This really shouldn't be hard to understand. If you said you hate American products as being derivative and driven by a corporate culture, and had a low opinion of American goods that would not be a racist statement. At all.
I have exclusively purchased Japanese cars for the last 20 years. I think the products are superior in the areas I think are important. That does not make me a racist against Americans, Germans, Koreans or any others (those are countries... not races). I just believe that the Japanese make better cars.
There is no denying that countries tend to have certain styles when it comes to games. In most cases they are creating a product for their domestic market first and foremost, and those markets have different cultural expectations for production quality, art style, gameplay, etc...
This is really a simple concept. And when people incorrectly throw the "racist" phrase around, like you are doing repeatedly, it dilutes it's value when applied in ACTUAL racist situations.
It is racist when you make broad generalizations and disparaging remarks about the population of a country like China as it is over 95% asian.
Its sad but unfortunately quite common on MMORPG that people will try very hard to dismiss racism and racist remarks.
And so far most of the comments are about goods or services, not people. One can make associations about the products of a country without being racist. There are common threads to Chinese-developed video games that I do not like. That does not make me racist, it makes me a consumer who does not purchase video games from China. I can say the same thing about Korean made games and its not racism at all.
Klyearan started off insulting specific Chinese goods and services, but he also insulted the Chinese people as a whole.
I personally can't think of any good games (or at least any I've enjoyed) that have come out of China. Same for most products unless they are made on behalf of a company located outside of China, like smart phones.
I don't think many people think China when seeking quality goods, rather inexpensive and mostly average come to mind. As mentioned the country's political and social environment is not condusive to innovation or making good games.
Nothing I've just said is racist, but they are my personal opinions on quality of Chinese made games. Perhaps one day I'll play and enjoy a well made MMO from China, but until I do....
There certainly are many bad games and products manufactured elsewhere in the world but that isn't part of this conversation.
It's very common for racists to think they are not racist.
It's even more common for people to not to understand what racism really is or the subtle but important difference it is from nationalism.
BTW, be careful not to look in any mirrors.
Criticizing the actions and policies of the Chinese government is not racist but that is not what you did. You generalized all Chinese products as being low quality and that people have a low opinion of China, the nation as a whole, for its low quality products.
That is racist. If you cant see the difference then you are a racist.
Actually there is nothing at all racist about that because Chinese is NOT a race. China is a country. This really shouldn't be hard to understand. If you said you hate American products as being derivative and driven by a corporate culture, and had a low opinion of American goods that would not be a racist statement. At all.
I have exclusively purchased Japanese cars for the last 20 years. I think the products are superior in the areas I think are important. That does not make me a racist against Americans, Germans, Koreans or any others (those are countries... not races). I just believe that the Japanese make better cars.
There is no denying that countries tend to have certain styles when it comes to games. In most cases they are creating a product for their domestic market first and foremost, and those markets have different cultural expectations for production quality, art style, gameplay, etc...
This is really a simple concept. And when people incorrectly throw the "racist" phrase around, like you are doing repeatedly, it dilutes it's value when applied in ACTUAL racist situations.
It is racist when you make broad generalizations and disparaging remarks about the population of a country like China as it is over 95% asian.
Its sad but unfortunately quite common on MMORPG that people will try very hard to dismiss racism and racist remarks.
It simply not true. You can repeat it 1000 times but it won't ever be true. Read what I wrote again and explain EXACTLY what was racist in what I posted.
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I personally can't think of any good games (or at least any I've enjoyed) that have come out of China. Same for most products unless they are made on behalf of a company located outside of China, like smart phones.
I don't think many people think China when seeking quality goods, rather inexpensive and mostly average come to mind. As mentioned the country's political and social environment is not condusive to innovation or making good games.
Nothing I've just said is racist, but they are my personal opinions on quality of Chinese made games. Perhaps one day I'll play and enjoy a well made MMO from China, but until I do....
There certainly are many bad games and products manufactured elsewhere in the world but that isn't part of this conversation.
It's very common for racists to think they are not racist.
It's even more common for people to not to understand what racism really is or the subtle but important difference it is from nationalism.
BTW, be careful not to look in any mirrors.
Criticizing the actions and policies of the Chinese government is not racist but that is not what you did. You generalized all Chinese products as being low quality and that people have a low opinion of China, the nation as a whole, for its low quality products.
That is racist. If you cant see the difference then you are a racist.
Actually there is nothing at all racist about that because Chinese is NOT a race. China is a country. This really shouldn't be hard to understand. If you said you hate American products as being derivative and driven by a corporate culture, and had a low opinion of American goods that would not be a racist statement. At all.
I have exclusively purchased Japanese cars for the last 20 years. I think the products are superior in the areas I think are important. That does not make me a racist against Americans, Germans, Koreans or any others (those are countries... not races). I just believe that the Japanese make better cars.
There is no denying that countries tend to have certain styles when it comes to games. In most cases they are creating a product for their domestic market first and foremost, and those markets have different cultural expectations for production quality, art style, gameplay, etc...
This is really a simple concept. And when people incorrectly throw the "racist" phrase around, like you are doing repeatedly, it dilutes it's value when applied in ACTUAL racist situations.
It is racist when you make broad generalizations and disparaging remarks about the population of a country like China as it is over 95% asian.
Its sad but unfortunately quite common on MMORPG that people will try very hard to dismiss racism and racist remarks.
And so far most of the comments are about goods or services, not people. One can make associations about the products of a country without being racist. There are common threads to Chinese-developed video games that I do not like. That does not make me racist, it makes me a consumer who does not purchase video games from China. I can say the same thing about Korean made games and its not racism at all.
Klyearan started off insulting specific Chinese goods and services, but he also insulted the Chinese people as a whole.
Which is why what he said was racist.
Except, once again, China is a country, not a race. Any more than America is a race. Or Germany. Or Mexico. Please stop the nonsense.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
I personally can't think of any good games (or at least any I've enjoyed) that have come out of China. Same for most products unless they are made on behalf of a company located outside of China, like smart phones.
I don't think many people think China when seeking quality goods, rather inexpensive and mostly average come to mind. As mentioned the country's political and social environment is not condusive to innovation or making good games.
Nothing I've just said is racist, but they are my personal opinions on quality of Chinese made games. Perhaps one day I'll play and enjoy a well made MMO from China, but until I do....
There certainly are many bad games and products manufactured elsewhere in the world but that isn't part of this conversation.
It's very common for racists to think they are not racist.
It's even more common for people to not to understand what racism really is or the subtle but important difference it is from nationalism.
BTW, be careful not to look in any mirrors.
Criticizing the actions and policies of the Chinese government is not racist but that is not what you did. You generalized all Chinese products as being low quality and that people have a low opinion of China, the nation as a whole, for its low quality products.
That is racist. If you cant see the difference then you are a racist.
Actually there is nothing at all racist about that because Chinese is NOT a race. China is a country. This really shouldn't be hard to understand. If you said you hate American products as being derivative and driven by a corporate culture, and had a low opinion of American goods that would not be a racist statement. At all.
I have exclusively purchased Japanese cars for the last 20 years. I think the products are superior in the areas I think are important. That does not make me a racist against Americans, Germans, Koreans or any others (those are countries... not races). I just believe that the Japanese make better cars.
There is no denying that countries tend to have certain styles when it comes to games. In most cases they are creating a product for their domestic market first and foremost, and those markets have different cultural expectations for production quality, art style, gameplay, etc...
This is really a simple concept. And when people incorrectly throw the "racist" phrase around, like you are doing repeatedly, it dilutes it's value when applied in ACTUAL racist situations.
It is racist when you make broad generalizations and disparaging remarks about the population of a country like China as it is over 95% asian.
Its sad but unfortunately quite common on MMORPG that people will try very hard to dismiss racism and racist remarks.
And so far most of the comments are about goods or services, not people. One can make associations about the products of a country without being racist. There are common threads to Chinese-developed video games that I do not like. That does not make me racist, it makes me a consumer who does not purchase video games from China. I can say the same thing about Korean made games and its not racism at all.
Klyearan started off insulting specific Chinese goods and services, but he also insulted the Chinese people as a whole.
Which is why what he said was racist.
Except, once again, China is a country, not a race. Any more than America is a race. Or Germany. Or Mexico. Please stop the nonsense.
To say that China’s products and services are of poor quality is
racism, because it involves the people who made these things. It’s
inappropriate to make that kind of generalization. We are aware that bad
products and services can be found anywhere. It's clear that anyone
can share their own experience with certain products or services from a
certain place, without making a racist generalization.
It’s
always good to remember how the debate began. Some argued the
following post was not racist: "Just proves Chinese games are to be
ignored. They can’t create, and they can’t even plagiarize correctly."
That is a blatantly racist comment, and anyone who agrees and repeats this
argument is also a racist. The problem is the generalization. It’s
something subtle, but it makes a big difference in our speech.
Individuals
can express racist views even when they don't intend to offend someone.
Will this person be a racist? Well, the answer is YES if this person keeps repeating it. We all have some potentially racist perspective on
something. It’s up to us to understand it and improve ourselves as
citizens. I won’t call anyone to stop this or that. All individuals
possess their own critical thinking and sources of knowledge.
About 12 years ago I bought an air con in Italy and the Italian guy who installed them said this is a good brand even though it is Chinese. He wasn't being racist he was merely talking about the general impression of things made in China being cheap and of poor quality.
This is an impression of a person that deals with many brands of air conditioners and he acknowledges that despite the general impression of Chinese goods this was an exception. That air conditioner lasted for ten years and I changed it for a Japanese brand.
Go back and ask yourself who is responsible for that impression because Japanese products when I was growing up were considered excellent and we bought household kitchen appliances and cars from Japan. Japan is in Asia why did they manage to get a good reputation for quality.
I myself am Asian and in my country Malaysia we also consider Chinese goods of poor quality. In fact anything with the 'made in China' stamp was considered cheap and if they lasted we considered ourselves fortunate.
This has nothing to do about how we feel about the Chinese people itself but about the things manufactured in their country. Remember the Chinese themselves in trying to flood the world markets with their goods created this impression of very cheap stuff that people embraced and China has made a lot of money on this impression that their goods are cheap. They may be of dubious quality but because of the price people overlook the quality.
Now you are calling this racist when this is a philosophy they as a country to advance themselves as a manufacturing hub created. They managed to monopolise a lot of the items that it became very rare to pick up a toy and not see made in China on it.
So this is the price. The impression that your country cannot make things of quality.
For contrast look at Korea and Japan. How did they manage to project quality and demand high prices? Don't keep yelling racism where none exists.
I personally can't think of any good games (or at least any I've enjoyed) that have come out of China. Same for most products unless they are made on behalf of a company located outside of China, like smart phones.
I don't think many people think China when seeking quality goods, rather inexpensive and mostly average come to mind. As mentioned the country's political and social environment is not condusive to innovation or making good games.
Nothing I've just said is racist, but they are my personal opinions on quality of Chinese made games. Perhaps one day I'll play and enjoy a well made MMO from China, but until I do....
There certainly are many bad games and products manufactured elsewhere in the world but that isn't part of this conversation.
It's very common for racists to think they are not racist.
It's even more common for people to not to understand what racism really is or the subtle but important difference it is from nationalism.
BTW, be careful not to look in any mirrors.
Criticizing the actions and policies of the Chinese government is not racist but that is not what you did. You generalized all Chinese products as being low quality and that people have a low opinion of China, the nation as a whole, for its low quality products.
That is racist. If you cant see the difference then you are a racist.
Actually there is nothing at all racist about that because Chinese is NOT a race. China is a country. This really shouldn't be hard to understand. If you said you hate American products as being derivative and driven by a corporate culture, and had a low opinion of American goods that would not be a racist statement. At all.
I have exclusively purchased Japanese cars for the last 20 years. I think the products are superior in the areas I think are important. That does not make me a racist against Americans, Germans, Koreans or any others (those are countries... not races). I just believe that the Japanese make better cars.
There is no denying that countries tend to have certain styles when it comes to games. In most cases they are creating a product for their domestic market first and foremost, and those markets have different cultural expectations for production quality, art style, gameplay, etc...
This is really a simple concept. And when people incorrectly throw the "racist" phrase around, like you are doing repeatedly, it dilutes it's value when applied in ACTUAL racist situations.
It is racist when you make broad generalizations and disparaging remarks about the population of a country like China as it is over 95% asian.
Its sad but unfortunately quite common on MMORPG that people will try very hard to dismiss racism and racist remarks.
And so far most of the comments are about goods or services, not people. One can make associations about the products of a country without being racist. There are common threads to Chinese-developed video games that I do not like. That does not make me racist, it makes me a consumer who does not purchase video games from China. I can say the same thing about Korean made games and its not racism at all.
Klyearan started off insulting specific Chinese goods and services, but he also insulted the Chinese people as a whole.
Which is why what he said was racist.
Except, once again, China is a country, not a race. Any more than America is a race. Or Germany. Or Mexico. Please stop the nonsense.
To say that China’s products and services are of poor quality is
racism, because it involves the people who made these things. It’s
inappropriate to make that kind of generalization. We are aware that bad
products and services can be found anywhere. It's clear that anyone
can share their own experience with certain products or services from a
certain place, without making a racist generalization.
It’s
always good to remember how the debate began. Some argued the
following post was not racist: "Just proves Chinese games are to be
ignored. They can’t create, and they can’t even plagiarize correctly."
That is a blatantly racist comment, and anyone who agrees and repeats this
argument is also a racist. The problem is the generalization. It’s
something subtle, but it makes a big difference in our speech.
Individuals
can express racist views even when they don't intend to offend someone.
Will this person be a racist? Well, the answer is YES if this person keeps repeating it. We all have some potentially racist perspective on
something. It’s up to us to understand it and improve ourselves as
citizens. I won’t call anyone to stop this or that. All individuals
possess their own critical thinking and sources of knowledge.
Nope. Saying it another thousand times won’t make it any less wrong. China is a county. The USA is a country. Germany is a country. New Zealand is a country. None of these are races. Just stop the nonsense.
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Level cap today was 38 for me! Hopefully when I log back in the level cap will go up to the real max level of 40 !x!x!
I have done all dungeons (they are 5 man) so far available up to lvl cap of 38 on both normal and Elite.
I have also done the one raid ( they are 10 man) that is available but skipped normal and went straight to Elite!
mwahaha
Now when you matchmake (like for dungeon) you choose if you are entering as dps or tank (if you play paladin like I am) and have always done as dps.
For the raid you can't really matchmake cause everyone does it via chat and, it doesn't pop in matchmake, you request to join which I did but peeps were only doing elite when I was on. It ask me tank or dps...i chose dps.
My pally is using the justice build not the guardian (tank build) and while you can freely switch between the two I am stated gear for justice and have no clue what the skills are etc as guardian or tank build...I haven't bothered cause so far it has not been needed like.
Raid wanted me to go tank cause they said we kind need two tank so I told em I never did this raid which got a few LOLS! and had no clue how to play guardian and I haven tried it at all which got more lols.
Suffice to say we completed on our 3rd try and I must say I don't think the 2 previous wipes were on me at all!
Yay go me!
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I won't fault their quality, it's as good as anyone else's in the gaming industry, but certainly not a gold standard.
Definitely low on the innovation scale far as I'm concerned, but same is true for almost every other company as well, regardless where they are made.
They do however know how to make good money, can't fault them in that department. Apparently they are keeping many gamers happy, just not me.
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I have exclusively purchased Japanese cars for the last 20 years. I think the products are superior in the areas I think are important. That does not make me a racist against Americans, Germans, Koreans or any others (those are countries... not races). I just believe that the Japanese make better cars.
There is no denying that countries tend to have certain styles when it comes to games. In most cases they are creating a product for their domestic market first and foremost, and those markets have different cultural expectations for production quality, art style, gameplay, etc...
This is really a simple concept. And when people incorrectly throw the "racist" phrase around, like you are doing repeatedly, it dilutes it's value when applied in ACTUAL racist situations.
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I see it the same with games made from Chinese developers, it refers to design decisions that permeates those games. Just like saying a Blizzard made game or the like. At most it is stereotypical, but not racist.
And so far most of the comments are about goods or services, not people. One can make associations about the products of a country without being racist. There are common threads to Chinese-developed video games that I do not like. That does not make me racist, it makes me a consumer who does not purchase video games from China. I can say the same thing about Korean made games and its not racism at all.
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Individuals can express racist views even when they don't intend to offend someone. Will this person be a racist? Well, the answer is YES if this person keeps repeating it. We all have some potentially racist perspective on something. It’s up to us to understand it and improve ourselves as citizens. I won’t call anyone to stop this or that. All individuals possess their own critical thinking and sources of knowledge.
This is an impression of a person that deals with many brands of air conditioners and he acknowledges that despite the general impression of Chinese goods this was an exception. That air conditioner lasted for ten years and I changed it for a Japanese brand.
Go back and ask yourself who is responsible for that impression because Japanese products when I was growing up were considered excellent and we bought household kitchen appliances and cars from Japan. Japan is in Asia why did they manage to get a good reputation for quality.
I myself am Asian and in my country Malaysia we also consider Chinese goods of poor quality. In fact anything with the 'made in China' stamp was considered cheap and if they lasted we considered ourselves fortunate.
This has nothing to do about how we feel about the Chinese people itself but about the things manufactured in their country. Remember the Chinese themselves in trying to flood the world markets with their goods created this impression of very cheap stuff that people embraced and China has made a lot of money on this impression that their goods are cheap. They may be of dubious quality but because of the price people overlook the quality.
Now you are calling this racist when this is a philosophy they as a country to advance themselves as a manufacturing hub created. They managed to monopolise a lot of the items that it became very rare to pick up a toy and not see made in China on it.
So this is the price. The impression that your country cannot make things of quality.
For contrast look at Korea and Japan. How did they manage to project quality and demand high prices? Don't keep yelling racism where none exists.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.