I would just like to say that we have kept level heads and not gone of the rails like some of the bananas conversations I have seen about RoP elsewhere.
Having said that a staffer will now step in and say we have not, the last two times in a thread I said we were doing well, a staffer posted or PM'd me to say we had gone too far.
I think the LOTR films were great and parts of The Hobbit movies were great as well. Both have parts I wish to forget. But both have parts that stick with me and will forever. The violins in the Rohan music. The battle on the cliff in the first Hobbit movie. Gandalf coming over the hill at helm's Deep. The Rohan riders in the final battle. Moments that were incredible.
But I give them liberties because they had to take them. Same with Rings of Power. They are trying to condense thousands of years of story into a time period that is much shorter and they have to because of narrative. How will they handle Numenor and what happens to it? Developing relationships that have to be made due to a condensed timeline. I get it. The show is not perfect and they took some liberties I question but some I can understand. To me, its like any other adaptation - some great, some good, some bad, some questionable but overall I really do enjoy it.
I thought there were some great parts in the Hobbit especially the first film, but there comes a point where I was rolling my eyes once too many. After that it became absurd, but not only that they broke the golden rule: "If you think you have the right to make a big change to a respected work, you had better do it well."
But there are people who think the Lord of the Rings movies are trash. So why does your opinion trump their opinions? Because it’s yours and the things that bothered others didn’t bother you.
Same goes with this show. And believe me, their are people who will never read the lord of the rings books but who might like the show.
If I take your reasoning to its conclusion because someone out there will like any show I should give every show a pass. I do recognise that some viewers will like it of course, but I can't give it a pass. We are entitled to form our own opinions about everything and I don't expect everyone to adhere to mine.
It is quite reasonable to try to come to a consensus, but a consensus does not mean we all hold the same opinion, it just means we allow for the fact that the majority may or may not be with us. Here I think because of the viewing figures the majority may be with us, but I am by no means certain of that.
The point is that Someone saying that something is great but in comparison to something similar Isn’t, is just opinion.
You don’t have to give anything a pass but one man’s treasure…
You say that someone who makes a change to a property better do it well, but that’s going to be completely subjective.
Someone can look at Rings of Power and say they did it well. People who think that the Lord of the Rings movies are great adaptations but I’ve seen people state they are abominations.
guess they’re not done well.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
I think the LOTR films were great and parts of The Hobbit movies were great as well. Both have parts I wish to forget. But both have parts that stick with me and will forever. The violins in the Rohan music. The battle on the cliff in the first Hobbit movie. Gandalf coming over the hill at helm's Deep. The Rohan riders in the final battle. Moments that were incredible.
But I give them liberties because they had to take them. Same with Rings of Power. They are trying to condense thousands of years of story into a time period that is much shorter and they have to because of narrative. How will they handle Numenor and what happens to it? Developing relationships that have to be made due to a condensed timeline. I get it. The show is not perfect and they took some liberties I question but some I can understand. To me, its like any other adaptation - some great, some good, some bad, some questionable but overall I really do enjoy it.
I thought there were some great parts in the Hobbit especially the first film, but there comes a point where I was rolling my eyes once too many. After that it became absurd, but not only that they broke the golden rule: "If you think you have the right to make a big change to a respected work, you had better do it well."
But there are people who think the Lord of the Rings movies are trash. So why does your opinion trump their opinions? Because it’s yours and the things that bothered others didn’t bother you.
Same goes with this show. And believe me, their are people who will never read the lord of the rings books but who might like the show.
If I take your reasoning to its conclusion because someone out there will like any show I should give every show a pass. I do recognise that some viewers will like it of course, but I can't give it a pass. We are entitled to form our own opinions about everything and I don't expect everyone to adhere to mine.
It is quite reasonable to try to come to a consensus, but a consensus does not mean we all hold the same opinion, it just means we allow for the fact that the majority may or may not be with us. Here I think because of the viewing figures the majority may be with us, but I am by no means certain of that.
The point is that Someone saying that something is great but in comparison to something similar Isn’t, is just opinion.
You don’t have to give anything a pass but one man’s treasure…
You say that someone who makes a change to a property better do it well, but that’s going to be completely subjective.
Someone can look at Rings of Power and say they did it well. People who think that the Lord of the Rings movies are great adaptations but I’ve seen people state they are abominations.
guess they’re not done well.
See, I don't like this brand of absurdism. Where everything is looked at from 101 angles. Things should be viewed multidimensionally, sure, but there is a limit to that as well, imo.
The point is that Someone saying that something is great but in comparison to something similar Isn’t, is just opinion.
You don’t have to give anything a pass but one man’s treasure…
You say that someone who makes a change to a property better do it well, but that’s going to be completely subjective.
Someone can look at Rings of Power and say they did it well. People who think that the Lord of the Rings movies are great adaptations but I’ve seen people state they are abominations.
guess they’re not done well.
I think we may be lost in the Old Forest here, I said I thought this was about opinions, I am not expecting anyone to chisel my words about the films into any New Zealand mountains you know.
Just as I feel others are quite right to tell us they liked RoP, I am quite right to air my concerns. That's what a debate is.
Your comments on subjectivity, the problem there is I find the subjectivity is so often used as an excuse to not believe anything, not do anything and here not to object to anything. So that does not wash with me.
I thought in Episode 4 where the protagonist and friends broke into a mournful drinking song was fine, but the break-dancing in the background seemed to set a different tone.
That and the new character who's always walking around saying, "Let's Get Some McNuggets", while funny, again, seems to be setting a different tone than I'd expect.
I thought in Episode 4 where the protagonist and friends broke into a mournful drinking song was fine, but the break-dancing in the background seemed to set a different tone.
That and the new character who's always walking around saying, "Let's Get Some McNuggets", while funny, again, seems to be setting a different tone than I'd expect.
True, but when that Dwarf said "Yo G-Man, Spicy nuggets are back!" I thought it was great.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
The point is that Someone saying that something is great but in comparison to something similar Isn’t, is just opinion.
You don’t have to give anything a pass but one man’s treasure…
You say that someone who makes a change to a property better do it well, but that’s going to be completely subjective.
Someone can look at Rings of Power and say they did it well. People who think that the Lord of the Rings movies are great adaptations but I’ve seen people state they are abominations.
guess they’re not done well.
I think we may be lost in the Old Forest here, I said I thought this was about opinions, I am not expecting anyone to chisel my words about the films into any New Zealand mountains you know.
Just as I feel others are quite right to tell us they liked RoP, I am quite right to air my concerns. That's what a debate is.
Your comments on subjectivity, the problem there is I find the subjectivity is so often used as an excuse to not believe anything, not do anything and here not to object to anything. So that does not wash with me.
You can believe anything you want. All I was commenting on were people saying that “x” was very good but criticizing Rings of Power for being bad. But previous adaptations have their detractors and some calling the Jackson movies trash. I’m sure there must be forums of people decrying those movies and saying how they have defiled the original books.
So in the end it’s all bad. Or all good. Only time will tell as to what lives on. Like the dull Bakshi attempt.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
I thought in Episode 4 where the protagonist and friends broke into a mournful drinking song was fine, but the break-dancing in the background seemed to set a different tone.
That and the new character who's always walking around saying, "Let's Get Some McNuggets", while funny, again, seems to be setting a different tone than I'd expect.
True, but when that Dwarf said "Yo G-Man, Spicy nuggets are back!" I thought it was great.
The scene where the eye was replaced with McD's arches....man that was amazing and some incredible marketing. But renaming the McRib to the McHobbit was a little too far.
You can believe anything you want. All I was commenting on were people saying that “x” was very good but criticizing Rings of Power for being bad. But previous adaptations have their detractors and some calling the Jackson movies trash. I’m sure there must be forums of people decrying those movies and saying how they have defiled the original books.
So in the end it’s all bad. Or all good. Only time will tell as to what lives on. Like the dull Bakshi attempt.
Sovrath to me this is just life, people have different views on different things, the fact we have such wildly different takes does not invalidate anyone's take or make me view life in a sanguine philosophical manner. My bad.
You can believe anything you want. All I was commenting on were people saying that “x” was very good but criticizing Rings of Power for being bad. But previous adaptations have their detractors and some calling the Jackson movies trash. I’m sure there must be forums of people decrying those movies and saying how they have defiled the original books.
So in the end it’s all bad. Or all good. Only time will tell as to what lives on. Like the dull Bakshi attempt.
Sovrath to me this is just life, people have different views on different things, the fact we have such wildly different takes does not invalidate anyone's take or make me view life in a sanguine philosophical manner. My bad.
Yes and I agree
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
Tolkien would be turning over in his grave if he found out Elves looked this pretty.
Tolkien's elves were not these glamorous beings that a person awed or admired, they did not have human-like features. There is more to it than that, but let's just say the Elder Scrolls, Neverwinter Nights, Baldurs Gate games were more faithful with elves then Peter Jackson was.
I love Peter Jackson's films, but man the elves...... that was my only real gripe, hehe. Still, LOTR is a masterpiece and i love the books as much as i love those movies, and i watch the extended versions pretty regularly.
That said, i don't know if my stomach could handle watching these Amazon re-tellings.
Is there someplace where Tolkien says they aren’t beautiful? Because I seem to remember him saying they were.
Elves came in all kinds of beauty and looks. In addition GASP Tolkien also wrote that female dwarves had beards and telling male and female apart for dwarves was difficult. People want to criticize Rings of Power based on their own personal view of what Tolkien's world should be like or look like. Very few truly know and understand. Considering the involvement of the Tolkien estate and Tolkien scholars like Tom Shippey in the production of the show, the show is actually very faithful to Tolkien's world with some necessary changes (like speeding up the events of the 2nd Age). I am not going to link the individual sources and notes but this is a good starting point:
I think everyone has the right to fantasize however they want. There are as many minds as there are people. That's why cinema was created - those with the resources and imagination can impose their vision.
Elves came in all kinds of beauty and looks. In addition GASP Tolkien also wrote that female dwarves had beards and telling male and female apart for dwarves was difficult. People want to criticize Rings of Power based on their own personal view of what Tolkien's world should be like or look like. Very few truly know and understand. Considering the involvement of the Tolkien estate and Tolkien scholars like Tom Shippey in the production of the show, the show is actually very faithful to Tolkien's world with some necessary changes (like speeding up the events of the 2nd Age). I am not going to link the individual sources and notes but this is a good starting point:
I think everyone has the right to fantasize however they want. There are as many minds as there are people. That's why cinema was created - those with the resources and imagination can impose their vision.
Well you guys brought it up gain, the series is not faithful to Tolkien, not at all. Where in Tolkien's work does Elidien get the idea that "Elves came in all kinds of beauty and looks". They were uniformly more beautiful than Man.
Also I don't want anyone to "impose their own vision" on the works I love, especially when they are so cack handed about it. Having the resources is not a reason for me to have to except their 'fantasying' and we all have an imagination, but some of us should clearly not be writing or producing cinema versions of great works of literature.
Elves came in all kinds of beauty and looks. In addition GASP Tolkien also wrote that female dwarves had beards and telling male and female apart for dwarves was difficult. People want to criticize Rings of Power based on their own personal view of what Tolkien's world should be like or look like. Very few truly know and understand. Considering the involvement of the Tolkien estate and Tolkien scholars like Tom Shippey in the production of the show, the show is actually very faithful to Tolkien's world with some necessary changes (like speeding up the events of the 2nd Age). I am not going to link the individual sources and notes but this is a good starting point:
I think everyone has the right to fantasize however they want. There are as many minds as there are people. That's why cinema was created - those with the resources and imagination can impose their vision.
Well you guys brought it up gain, the series is not faithful to Tolkien, not at all. Where in Tolkien's work does Elidien get the idea that "Elves came in all kinds of beauty and looks". They were uniformly more beautiful than Man.
Also I don't want anyone to "impose their own vision" on the works I love, especially when they are so cack handed about it. Having the resources is not a reason for me to have to except their 'fantasying' and we all have an imagination, but some of us should clearly not be writing or producing cinema versions of great works of literature.
I remember reading in one of the books that they were beautiful. Fair as well, which certainly meant beautiful when I was young.
don’t trust wikis as they are written by “anybody.”
Also no one is imposing their vision. They are sharing it. Otherwise every bit of art or cinema is an imposition. That’s ridiculous.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
Also no one is imposing their vision. They are sharing it. Otherwise every bit of art or cinema is an imposition. That’s ridiculous.
I've a tendency to agree, but I have to think at some point a line can be crossed.
I remember sitting through Francis Ford Coppala's "Bram Stoker's Dracula" - where the author's name is in the title, and while high production values were in place it had little to do with the subject matter of the book.
I read the book, and was moved to tears by one of the most beautiful passages in literature I've ever read. I saw the movie and found the werewolf rape scene to be nauseating.
So, in my humble opinion, Francis Ford Coppala's "Bram Stoker's Dracula" went too far, it wasn't an interpretation or vision, it was a mentally ill bastard destroying classic literature. We have to allow that some people seek to destroy the beauty they themselves cannot manage to create - and that isn't imposition, it is predatory and wrong.
I doubt Rings of Power is doing that, but wouldn't be surprised if that happens.
Elves came in all kinds of beauty and looks. In addition GASP Tolkien also wrote that female dwarves had beards and telling male and female apart for dwarves was difficult. People want to criticize Rings of Power based on their own personal view of what Tolkien's world should be like or look like. Very few truly know and understand. Considering the involvement of the Tolkien estate and Tolkien scholars like Tom Shippey in the production of the show, the show is actually very faithful to Tolkien's world with some necessary changes (like speeding up the events of the 2nd Age). I am not going to link the individual sources and notes but this is a good starting point:
I think everyone has the right to fantasize however they want. There are as many minds as there are people. That's why cinema was created - those with the resources and imagination can impose their vision.
Well you guys brought it up gain, the series is not faithful to Tolkien, not at all. Where in Tolkien's work does Elidien get the idea that "Elves came in all kinds of beauty and looks". They were uniformly more beautiful than Man.
Also I don't want anyone to "impose their own vision" on the works I love, especially when they are so cack handed about it. Having the resources is not a reason for me to have to except their 'fantasying' and we all have an imagination, but some of us should clearly not be writing or producing cinema versions of great works of literature.
The elven descriptions on the page I linked are supported by Tolkien's work. Check the footnotes from either Tolkien himself or Christopher Tolkien. I did not link that just to link it. I linked because the characteristics are footnoted and referenced.
Also no one is imposing their vision. They are sharing it. Otherwise every bit of art or cinema is an imposition. That’s ridiculous.
I've a tendency to agree, but I have to think at some point a line can be crossed.
I remember sitting through Francis Ford Coppala's "Bram Stoker's Dracula" - where the author's name is in the title, and while high production values were in place it had little to do with the subject matter of the book.
I read the book, and was moved to tears by one of the most beautiful passages in literature I've ever read. I saw the movie and found the werewolf rape scene to be nauseating.
So, in my humble opinion, Francis Ford Coppala's "Bram Stoker's Dracula" went too far, it wasn't an interpretation or vision, it was a mentally ill bastard destroying classic literature. We have to allow that some people seek to destroy the beauty they themselves cannot manage to create - and that isn't imposition, it is predatory and wrong.
I doubt Rings of Power is doing that, but wouldn't be surprised if that happens.
Hmmm I’ll disagree there I thought that scene was powerful. And if memory serves it was a seduction, albeit by supernatural means. I also think that was Dracula, not a werewolf.
Where I do remember think the movie erred is including that whole backstory at the start.
Nevertheless, it was Coppola’s interpretation and he can do whatever he wants. It’s up to us to enjoy or dismiss it.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
The elven descriptions on the page I linked are supported by Tolkien's work. Check the footnotes from either Tolkien himself or Christopher Tolkien. I did not link that just to link it. I linked because the characteristics are footnoted and referenced.
Maybe I got the wrong end of the stick there, I only skimmed but the page seemed spot on to me.
Elves came in all kinds of beauty and looks. In addition GASP Tolkien also wrote that female dwarves had beards and telling male and female apart for dwarves was difficult. People want to criticize Rings of Power based on their own personal view of what Tolkien's world should be like or look like. Very few truly know and understand. Considering the involvement of the Tolkien estate and Tolkien scholars like Tom Shippey in the production of the show, the show is actually very faithful to Tolkien's world with some necessary changes (like speeding up the events of the 2nd Age). I am not going to link the individual sources and notes but this is a good starting point:
I think everyone has the right to fantasize however they want. There are as many minds as there are people. That's why cinema was created - those with the resources and imagination can impose their vision.
Well you guys brought it up gain, the series is not faithful to Tolkien, not at all. Where in Tolkien's work does Elidien get the idea that "Elves came in all kinds of beauty and looks". They were uniformly more beautiful than Man.
Also I don't want anyone to "impose their own vision" on the works I love, especially when they are so cack handed about it. Having the resources is not a reason for me to have to except their 'fantasying' and we all have an imagination, but some of us should clearly not be writing or producing cinema versions of great works of literature.
The elven descriptions on the page I linked are supported by Tolkien's work. Check the footnotes from either Tolkien himself or Christopher Tolkien. I did not link that just to link it. I linked because the characteristics are footnoted and referenced.
I’ll take a look when I can, thanks
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
The elven descriptions on the page I linked are supported by Tolkien's work. Check the footnotes from either Tolkien himself or Christopher Tolkien. I did not link that just to link it. I linked because the characteristics are footnoted and referenced.
Maybe I got the wrong end of the stick there, I only skimmed but the page seemed spot on to me.
I have serious issues with Rings of Power. Even looking to the future, I will have issues. I am not defending it but I do think some people get so concerned over it, they forget the liberties taken with other parts of Tolkien's adaptations. For example, Arwen and Aragorn. Their entire love story is basically a footnote. The movies had to integrate her more to explain the ending. LOTRO and the Moria game really expand knowledge beyond Tolkien's cannon. Heck, the new animated movie next month is also basically a footnote in Tolkien's world.
Rings of Power though is critical story but details still were not fleshed out. The writers have to flesh that out and in doing so are doing some things I like and some things I hate. I truly am fascinated (in a scared way) to see how they explain events around the fall of Numenor and the change to Arda. We know its coming but how will they handle it.
I think with elves some things are cannon (tall, fair, agile, ear shape etc...) and some things leave open for interpretation (skin tone, hair color, eyes, etc...) Not every elf looks like Legolas or Galadriel. I will say this looking at the interpretation of elves (and dwarves for that matter) is fascinating to compare from the Hobbit movies, the LOTR movies, and the gaming world. Its amazing the amount of differences.
Nevertheless, it was Coppola’s interpretation and he can do whatever he wants. It’s up to us to enjoy or dismiss it.
Then call the movie "Coppola's Weird Sex Fantasies" and leave the author's name and the original book out of the title. Again, Bram never wrote anything like what was depicted in the movie.
There is a point where interpretation becomes a lie.
Attend a "Financial Retirement Planning" seminar, for which you paid $399, and find that it is just 1/2 hr. of some hack comedian telling fart jokes. Would the excuse, "Well, this is my interpretation of financial retirement planning" work with you?
Nevertheless, it was Coppola’s interpretation and he can do whatever he wants. It’s up to us to enjoy or dismiss it.
Then call the movie "Coppola's Weird Sex Fantasies" and leave the author's name and the original book out of the title. Again, Bram never wrote anything like what was depicted in the movie.
There is a point where interpretation becomes a lie.
Attend a "Financial Retirement Planning" seminar, for which you paid $399, and find that it is just 1/2 hr. of some hack comedian telling fart jokes. Would the excuse, "Well, this is my interpretation of financial retirement planning" work with you?
At some point words have to mean something.
I think it’s that is overreacting
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
Nevertheless, it was Coppola’s interpretation and he can do whatever he wants. It’s up to us to enjoy or dismiss it.
Then call the movie "Coppola's Weird Sex Fantasies" and leave the author's name and the original book out of the title. Again, Bram never wrote anything like what was depicted in the movie.
There is a point where interpretation becomes a lie.
Attend a "Financial Retirement Planning" seminar, for which you paid $399, and find that it is just 1/2 hr. of some hack comedian telling fart jokes. Would the excuse, "Well, this is my interpretation of financial retirement planning" work with you?
At some point words have to mean something.
I think it’s that is overreacting
I've read the book and seen the movie. They're not related beyond the title.
That aside, I agree with you that people should be able to create without the fetters of the purists. The largest problem being that "who gets to decide?", as we've seen in this thread, one man's pure is another man's corrupt. Your market approach "if you don't like it, don't view it" is solid.
So, I don't have a problem with someone taking the story of Dracula and adding some new interpretations into the mix. My issue is 100% with the movie being called Bram Stoker's Dracula - which it was not.
I grant the freedom to create whatever you want - let the market decide. What I don't grant is deceptive advertising hiding behind an 'interpretation'.
And that is the problem some may have with Rings of Power. If it is set in the LOTR universe - then it needs to be set in that universe and not somewhere else.
If the original IP cannot be honored, they should create a new one. Create all you want - but label it honestly.
Comments
You say that someone who makes a change to a property better do it well, but that’s going to be completely subjective.
Someone can look at Rings of Power and say they did it well. People who think that the Lord of the Rings movies are great adaptations but I’ve seen people state they are abominations.
guess they’re not done well.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Limits are good for the soul, after all.
Just as I feel others are quite right to tell us they liked RoP, I am quite right to air my concerns. That's what a debate is.
Your comments on subjectivity, the problem there is I find the subjectivity is so often used as an excuse to not believe anything, not do anything and here not to object to anything. So that does not wash with me.
That and the new character who's always walking around saying, "Let's Get Some McNuggets", while funny, again, seems to be setting a different tone than I'd expect.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
So in the end it’s all bad. Or all good. Only time will tell as to what lives on. Like the dull Bakshi attempt.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Also I don't want anyone to "impose their own vision" on the works I love, especially when they are so cack handed about it. Having the resources is not a reason for me to have to except their 'fantasying' and we all have an imagination, but some of us should clearly not be writing or producing cinema versions of great works of literature.
NOTES
----------------------------------
1: That should be good for another 5 pages of discussion.
don’t trust wikis as they are written by “anybody.”
Also no one is imposing their vision. They are sharing it. Otherwise every bit of art or cinema is an imposition. That’s ridiculous.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I remember sitting through Francis Ford Coppala's "Bram Stoker's Dracula" - where the author's name is in the title, and while high production values were in place it had little to do with the subject matter of the book.
I read the book, and was moved to tears by one of the most beautiful passages in literature I've ever read. I saw the movie and found the werewolf rape scene to be nauseating.
So, in my humble opinion, Francis Ford Coppala's "Bram Stoker's Dracula" went too far, it wasn't an interpretation or vision, it was a mentally ill bastard destroying classic literature. We have to allow that some people seek to destroy the beauty they themselves cannot manage to create - and that isn't imposition, it is predatory and wrong.
I doubt Rings of Power is doing that, but wouldn't be surprised if that happens.
Where I do remember think the movie erred is including that whole backstory at the start.
Nevertheless, it was Coppola’s interpretation and he can do whatever he wants. It’s up to us to enjoy or dismiss it.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I’ll take a look when I can, thanks
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Rings of Power though is critical story but details still were not fleshed out. The writers have to flesh that out and in doing so are doing some things I like and some things I hate. I truly am fascinated (in a scared way) to see how they explain events around the fall of Numenor and the change to Arda. We know its coming but how will they handle it.
I think with elves some things are cannon (tall, fair, agile, ear shape etc...) and some things leave open for interpretation (skin tone, hair color, eyes, etc...) Not every elf looks like Legolas or Galadriel. I will say this looking at the interpretation of elves (and dwarves for that matter) is fascinating to compare from the Hobbit movies, the LOTR movies, and the gaming world. Its amazing the amount of differences.
There is a point where interpretation becomes a lie.
Attend a "Financial Retirement Planning" seminar, for which you paid $399, and find that it is just 1/2 hr. of some hack comedian telling fart jokes. Would the excuse, "Well, this is my interpretation of financial retirement planning" work with you?
At some point words have to mean something.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
They're not related beyond the title.
That aside, I agree with you that people should be able to create without the fetters of the purists. The largest problem being that "who gets to decide?", as we've seen in this thread, one man's pure is another man's corrupt. Your market approach "if you don't like it, don't view it" is solid.
So, I don't have a problem with someone taking the story of Dracula and adding some new interpretations into the mix. My issue is 100% with the movie being called Bram Stoker's Dracula - which it was not.
I grant the freedom to create whatever you want - let the market decide.
What I don't grant is deceptive advertising hiding behind an 'interpretation'.
And that is the problem some may have with Rings of Power.
If it is set in the LOTR universe - then it needs to be set in that universe and not somewhere else.
If the original IP cannot be honored, they should create a new one.
Create all you want - but label it honestly.
NOTES
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
1: Adding 10 more pages to this thread.