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<P>I got banned from Dark and Light forums for posting this.  But people deserve to know the truth.  </P>


02-06-2003


Loco17
plz tell me how to play the game and where do i go to play it i dont see it anywhere on this site. i wanna play but i dont know where to go :casstet: :casstet:

pantalaimon
hey, the beta isn't out yet, so u CAN"T play yet...but....the beta's coming out in Q2 of 2003 (april amy ish) i suggest reading the FAQ sections to learn more.....

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What she said.



06-14-2003, 01:46 AM
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Beta release is in the next 1-3 weeks, and Gold release about beginning of 2004

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Would it be useless for us to hope that they might release it for x-mas?! I really hope they do, b/c they'll sell more, and I'll be able to play more!

06-14-2003, 03:26 AM
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Well given 6 months + of beta testing that already goes past christmas so it is very doubtful that it will come out by then :P

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"Retail release in December of 2003" AKA mid to late 2004 if you speak fluent beta test.

be patient, be loyal



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Well I was on mmorpg.com and saw that DnL has a release date there of dec 03, could this be?

I dont see this on the on main website, so it could all be speculation, but at least it's there. ooh I just cant wait I so hope its true!!!! :P


06-29-2003, 01:45 AM
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I've seen a similar date on another RPG site. This is an estimated release date, as you can never say it is going to come out after exactly so many days after it is thought up.

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6-29-2003, 03:45 AM
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The planned release for retail was December of 2003 after a 6 month beta planned to start mid may. The hope was probably to get it out for christmas. I would hate to see beta rushed to meet that deadline. When you are close to being finished so close to christmas, the temptation is to release early and cash in...it's a baaaaaad idea but huuuuuge temptation.

Anyhoo, Yes, Dec 2003 was seen as an initial release date...but will almost certainly be pushed back




08-11-2003, 04:24 PM
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MADDOG, beta has been delayed til september.



And the clairvoyant award goes to...



08-11-2003, 10:45 PM
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Let's hope it doesn't go the whole video game route. If it does it may not come out till 2006! It's the whole "Oh there's new technology, so let's redo our whole game!". I hate that! Just make the game and make it better as it goes. I think DnL will do that so I'm not worried.


^ He was joking. He was JOKING about it coming out in 2006. That was a date he though impossible.



08-12-2003, 12:39 PM
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I believe in the dev's.... !!! And they better make the release date.
But on the other hand, I'd rather have a good game with little bugs. So they should take their time. But 2006 *sigh*


Uber-sigh



10-09-2003, 03:22 AM
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Yes the estimate for Release is gonna be q1-2 2004 depending on how Beta goes.


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11-13-2003, 02:36 PM
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estimated worldwide release in late Q2 maybe early Q3 2004.




12-06-2003, 04:41 PM
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I'd say from the first Beta release that the game will go gold in march/april 2004, besides they don't need to have every feature enabled to make this game great, they can just make it stable then introduce new things every few weeks




12-23-2003, 04:00 AM
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the release date is Q2 2004
and Q2 means second quarter


What are you going to play? WoW or DnL?



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This game is already in the beta stages, but on MMORPG.com it says its realease date is unknown. Now WoW (world of warcraft) is expected to release 06/14/04 but it hasnt even hit its beta stages. So if this has already been in beta since november its got to be release sometime before WoW. Im still deciding between this and WoW. What do you guys think i should play? And does anybody know some kind of date it will be released?




02-15-2004, 08:58 PM
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Well, nobody really knows the exact release date. They are beta testing right now so it willl be whenever they get the game running good and all that. I'm guessing it will be a few months...




02-26-2004, 10:51 AM
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The current aim for the release date is for summer of '04 (this year), however it's likely that that date could be pushed back because of some unexpected bugs or over zealous devs planning when they will be done .




02-29-2004, 05:05 PM
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According to a recent (a couple days ago) interview with Vuuar, the game would hit stores (in germany anyways, figure the rest of the world would get it about the same time) by fall of this year. If you want to look at the interview look for the thread titled "The Real Round??" and was started by crud - it is still on the first page of this board about halfway down. The interview is good reading. Thanks go to EllGavhi for finding and linking it.

[Edited on 29/2/2004 by Zelph]




04-12-2004, 08:53 AM
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It supposed to be release Q3 or Q4 2004. So, maybe in september if we are lucky.


Here's what a lot of you sound like now.



03-25-2004, 10:38 AM
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Thats because there really isnt any. DnL is doing something smart by not releasing one. By not releasing one they are allowing themselves time to fix anything that comes up during beta without having to push the deadline back. This also reduces the stress load on trying to make sure the game is ready by the deadline. Shadowbane and SWG are a good example of what happens when a deadline is set and must be followed even when there are problems with the game.

My best guess is sometime in the area you said, Q3-Q4.




06-17-2004, 09:27 PM
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That Q2 '04 has been pushed back. The latest release date given to the press has been set for January. Whether or not they release then is another story... hopefully when they do release (hopefully by then) it will be one kick-arse game.

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#3 06-18-2004, 02:04 AM
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yeah, its probably them adding in support for the new technologies, as quite a few have been made while the game was being made




09-11-2004, 06:08 AM
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April/may 2005 is what devs stated in last devchat.

Link to the dev chat

Question nr 27

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#5 09-11-2004, 07:12 AM
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Quote :
"Release Date: April/May 2005"

It may be so ,but that is assuming there is a correct alignement of planets with the proper constelations showing as well as high tides

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#6 09-11-2004, 11:05 AM
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release is irrelevent - let's talk open beta!

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#7 09-11-2004, 12:21 PM
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The game will be out next year, how about that?


^Looks like Medic was wrong


11-21-2004, 02:17 PM
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any release date on the game yet?


just curious


11-21-2004, 02:19 PM
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April 2005




01-31-2005, 10:01 AM
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The planned release date is still April of this year and the developers are working very hard to meet that date.

As for the publishing, Farlan is the sole publisher of DnL and release method is still to be determined, the game may be released as a download rather than CD box version, but I dont think anything has been set in stone yet, as with most things in any beta test

stop by the dev chat tomorrow (feb 1st) and see if there is any new news released

Have a great day, until april when we shall all walk in the lands of Ganareth

Jodh





03-06-2005, 06:08 PM
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after comparing the questions asked and the answeres given i start to think that they dont tell us anything because they simply dont know the answers themself

#10 03-06-2005, 06:11 PM
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Doubtful, as before you start making a game you already know everything you need to code and create

Publicity was being held back to just before release. Also that 3.5 has managed to attract 157000 people, so give it some credit


^I haven't received any information yet. Have you? And its almost 2006.



03-18-2005, 08:29 AM
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release date

Hello,
I have been staying on top of the game it looks great I am currently playing swg but I am bored, I was wondering since me and about 6 SWG players want to come to DNL whether or not any new news has been released about the date of the game ??????
Not so Patiently waiting LOL

03-18-2005, 08:32 AM
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it looks like the're aiming for april/may





03-25-2005, 03:27 PM
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Statement about the release date

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Greetings,

An official statement will be posted Thursday March 31 in order to clarify the release date.
Thanks for your understanding and your patience until this date.


This one is classic.



03-31-2005, 02:37 AM
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Erm...guys...the official release day statement has been pushed back another week.





03-31-2005, 04:00 AM
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Naar News! (AKA RELEASE DATE)

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I stayed up so I could bring you the obvious! The Press release just arrived and the verdict is

RELEASE DATE: November 2005

New 2500 Beta Wave on April 14th

Dev Chat on April 6th....

Your Welcome! Discuss...




05-09-2005, 09:32 AM
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Official release date: November 2005




05-04-2005, 12:45 PM
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Nov of this year is pretty solid...I couldn't imagine it being delayed past the Christmas buying season.


^ I bet you can now.



05-28-2005, 07:01 PM
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Release of the game. The beta has been going on for years now, and there will be no Open Beta. Check out http://ap.ofganareth.com/forum/index.php?act=SF&f=22


Confident. Very confident. What could go wrong?



07-19-2005, 07:31 AM
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Yep Madjorin, in one of the dev interviews they seems quite confident on a November 5 release.

Just because they haven't released any info doesn't mean it ain't there.

At this point in the schedule, I'd assume all the major hurdles are done and now it's smaller systems and polishing time. It would be a bad idea to miss the Christmas rush.




08-25-2005, 01:45 AM
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2006 Release will be retail with CD in a box, manual, etc. 2005 Direct Download.





09-01-2005, 08:55 PM
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The November release will be 100% online, that's it.

So for that time there will not be CD box but as said in the last DevChat, a Collector will be available in store about six months later.


Alzar.




09-24-2005, 10:37 PM
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Ok, this has gone quite out of hand.

Release is still planned for November 05 yes.

Thread closed, please fight via PM if you have to, thanks to all those that stayed level headed




10-11-2005, 06:30 AM
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Its not November 5th its November 2005.


#5 10-11-2005, 06:30 AM
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November 2005, not the 5th of November.




10-21-2005, 01:22 PM
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The release of SoG is planned for November.
Claiming for a release now will not change anything.

I'm closing this thread before the flood that will occur.

Kossit



The thing that strikes me the most going back and reading these threads is that there were people 3 YEARS AGO saying "It's OK if you delay it a few months. I want it to be perfect."

Fools like this:


11-03-2005, 02:58 AM
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Release

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They have only stated that SoG will be released in November, they havent given a specific date in november so if i remember correctly there are 30 days in november which means any time between now and the 30th of november.

Seems like a lot of people seem to think that because it hasnt been released yet and its the 3rd of november it must be canceled.

They have a whole month to release SoG, be patient it will come.

Best things in life are free, and guess what SoG is free.

it will happen sooner than you think.



And I love how the mods can lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie for 3 years and people still kiss their ass.

I'm sure they'll close this thread. Maybe they'll even delete it. But the truth will be out.

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  • LanmoragonLanmoragon Member Posts: 994

    Infra you really dont understand how the MMORPG world works, do you? Maybe if you did you would realize that an MMORPG being delayed isnt big news at all. Im not sure I can think of an MMORPG since I have started playing them that hasnt been delayed at least once, and many have been delayed over and over and over.

    What exactly is your point? This isnt a "DNL is the greatest" leave the game alone type of thread, im simply trying to see your point. Do you think you have discovered some conspiracy? Most people who have followed DNL for any length of time know that the game has been delayed for years, so your really preaching to the choir.

  • angerrangerr Member Posts: 865


    Originally posted by Lanmoragon
    Infra you really dont understand how the MMORPG world works, do you? Maybe if you did you would realize that an MMORPG being delayed isnt big news at all. Im not sure I can think of an MMORPG since I have started playing them that hasnt been delayed at least once, and many have been delayed over and over and over.What exactly is your point? This isnt a "DNL is the greatest" leave the game alone type of thread, im simply trying to see your point. Do you think you have discovered some conspiracy? Most people who have followed DNL for any length of time know that the game has been delayed for years, so your really preaching to the choir.

    because he is a troll

    who knows what his motivation is? what i do know is i really dont care....

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    read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....

  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321
    Looks like any negative thread over on the main site is getting locked right now. Scred they might lose a pre order I assume.  Did not Mourning do this same thing right before their infamous launch. The similarities between Mourning and DnL just amazes me.

    I miss DAoC

  • jimmyman99jimmyman99 Member UncommonPosts: 3,221

    Infra, i fail to see your point other then D&L was delayed. Delaying games is normal because there are so many things that can go wrong or new unexpected things appear on the horizon. THe only thing i am concerned with is lack of information about this game. NDA is pretty much blocking any information flow from players who play this game. And yet they will have a preorder soon. Its like you go to walmart, you see this unlabeled mark with a price tag 59.99$ you dont know whats inside and nobody tells u whats inside. Are you gonna purchase that box?

    This whole thing does smell very fishy. Id love to believe devs and screenshots, but Ive been fooled before. If any1 has some nformation about this game, why not share with us all? Is this game is as good as devs are saying it is? Or is it as crappy as some trolls say it is?

    Does any1 know when this stupid NDA will be lifted? Id love to hear more about this game BEFORE preorder expiry date...

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  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321



    Originally posted by jimmyman99

     Is this game is as good as devs are saying it is? Or is it as crappy as some trolls say it is?


     

    You know they could shut up trolls like me in a instant if they would let the MMORPG.com people do a real preview. Or you can substitute any other reputable game site for MMORPG for that matter.  I have never seen any game remain so secretive about everything this long. Even the official site contains almost no real info on classes, races and abilities. Everything they do smells fishy to me anymore.

    I miss DAoC

  • infra172infra172 Member UncommonPosts: 145

    All I'm saying is that they've lied about the release date since 2003, they're a small software company off the coast of Africa, whenever they delay they make more insane promises, the company has a history of legally shady behavior, and they're asking you to pay $60 to preorder what is basically a terrain engine right now.

    Go ahead and give them your credit card number if you don't trust me.

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  • IIRLIIRL Member Posts: 876

    You got banned? Yay!

    You've been flaming and somewhat trolling on those boards so you deserve it.

    Pre-Ordering? Hell yeah Im doing that! :> $60 Is nothing, it's not even a gamble, it's well worth it if the game turns out the way they promise... if not, Im still $60 poorer.

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  • -Inferno--Inferno- Staff WriterMember UncommonPosts: 325

    The game will not turn out the way they promise.

    "Fire is never a gentle master..."

  • infra172infra172 Member UncommonPosts: 145
    NPCube = Enron

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  • SandyarSandyar Member Posts: 66



    Originally posted by infra172

    All I'm saying is that they've lied about the release date since 2003, they're a small software company off the coast of Africa, whenever they delay they make more insane promises, the company has a history of legally shady behavior, and they're asking you to pay $60 to preorder what is basically a terrain engine right now.




    Lie is a strong word for poor planning. Actually it is nothing special to MMORPG industry but the whole software industry (big projects only of course). The fact is you can make a 80% software in timex1 then you can make 99% software in timex5. And no it was not a mistake to not say 100% because no big project software is 100% bug free.

  • NaarNaar Member UncommonPosts: 165
     

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  • -Inferno--Inferno- Staff WriterMember UncommonPosts: 325

    Your place in MMOG hell is reserved next to me :p

    "Fire is never a gentle master..."

  • deggilatordeggilator Member Posts: 520


    A game being delayed? What a rare sight! ::::35::

    Quite frankly, such delays reveal nothing about the quality of the game. Many delayed titles, for instance Half Life 2, did prove quite entertaining and I really would prefer a delayed but well developed title from a rushed, buggy release that we're quite used in from previous MMOG titles, such as AO or SWG.

    Their only mistake was a public relations one. They should have avoided any discussion about the release date until the very last stages of development.

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  • infra172infra172 Member UncommonPosts: 145
    deggilator,

     

    Why bother replying to my post if you don't even read it? 

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  • OaksteadOakstead Member Posts: 455

    How sad that some people are so quick to tear down some one who is trying to do what no one has done before. I will remind everyone here that Dark and Light is pioneering massive dynamic loading cluster server technology. For the first time this will allow large scale player gatherings (150 to 500) in one small place without lag anywhere in the game world.


    They have had unexpected problems making this technology work but it finally seems to be working well enough for a public release. Every gamer here should be thrilled at this. Instead what do we get. Complaints that the game took too long to develop, that the developers aren't all-knowing, even accusing them of lying. Shame on you!

    Perhaps only programmers or engineers who have worked on cutting edge technology can really appreciate what happens when working on the frontiers of knowledge.

  • -Inferno--Inferno- Staff WriterMember UncommonPosts: 325

    Obviously you're not in beta and totally clueless. Just wait until SOG and be enlightened about the actual state of the game.

    "Fire is never a gentle master..."

  • -Inferno--Inferno- Staff WriterMember UncommonPosts: 325

    Excellent post! Unfortunately I bet it'll be deleted by MMORPG.com staff.

    "Fire is never a gentle master..."

  • jimmyman99jimmyman99 Member UncommonPosts: 3,221

    Thnx for the post Van. IF what you say is true, then everyone should know this, even if u r breaking NDA, companies who try to trick people into believing their product is more then what it is should be exposed and punished. Nobody likes to buy a car just to find out it has no engine, no seats, no nothing inside, just a frame. This is of course if what you are saying is true.

    Its hard to make a logical decision based on someone's word, but I think ill skip the preorder and wait for the free SOG (i didnt know it was free, how do I sign up?). I smelled a trap ever since no solid info was allowed to get out of the beta. Companies that have nothing to hide never do that. When WoW was getting released, there were people who praised and cursed it. Ive seen so many threads saying WOW WILL FLOP but since i was in beta I could answer them with facts about my experience. We all know how that turned out ...

    If DNL is in fact an pretty frame with nothing inside, then we have a moral obligation to do something about it. Is there anyway we can force DNL dev company to lift NDA or at least to show us SOMETHING from inside the game? I mean, there is scam written all over this deal.

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  • NaarNaar Member UncommonPosts: 165

     

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  • OaksteadOakstead Member Posts: 455

    I am not talking about you Naar. I am going after those people who call the devs liars for not being able to predict when the game will ship.

  • cloudoffirecloudoffire Member Posts: 271

    Ive never seen a forum where so many posts are locked(i mean dnl official forums)

    -Cloudoffire-

  • kagdakagda Member Posts: 85

    i've never seen a forum where people post the same thread, plus/minus three words, and then get mad because it got locked, and then create even more threads saying how mad they are that their specific thread got locked, etc etc....

     

    EDIT: @ the person who posted below me.. i love your responces more and more each time i read them! keep up the good work lol

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  • IIRLIIRL Member Posts: 876


    Originally posted by kagda
    i've never seen a forum where people post the same thread, plus/minus three words, and then get mad because it got locked, and then create even more threads saying how mad they are that their specific thread got locked, etc etc....

    Amen to that.

    Before the announcement of SoG date every single moron started a new thread crying out that they have had their trust bethrown, how pathetic is that?

    And when the date is announced they start whining that it won't launch in November.

    And most of the people conducting this kind of ignorant behaviour are newly registered beta hoppers that just joined to be able to play a free game.

    Each and everyone of them deserves a bullet for their self-indulgement.

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  • _Pix__Pix_ Member Posts: 276



    Originally posted by Vanguardian

    I played on and off for the next few months with little to no change to this.  Some patches seemed to fix very minor issues and seemed to do little to actually advance the game.  Since the dev team did not create the Big World technology but just modified it to get the Mafate engine, I have to ask myself:  What have they even really done in 3, 4, 5 years...?



    Your analysis is quite good, but I guess you're mistaken on a the subject of the Big World technology. If you mean that Mafate includes BigWorld technology, you mean it includes the server technology used for DnL, which is not the case of course since it's been developped my Microforte.

    But maybe you wanted to speak about the terrain technology. FYI, the terrain technology is called VWorldTerrain.

    It is not the first time that I note in articles (cf http://www.warcry.com/scripts/columns/view_sectionalt.phtml?site=15&id=440&colid=7224) there is a mix between BigWorld and VWorldTerrain (which, granted, was called V-world 2 years ago, a technology which had been developped since 1996, but not by NPCube). But I guess the names are quite similar hence the mistake, or maybe somebody intentionnaly wants to leave room for misinterpretations which is not surprising to me considering the way NPCube is handling its communication.

    _Pix_

     

     


     

  • infra172infra172 Member UncommonPosts: 145

    Actually he's right.  Dark and Light is inferior to just about every major MMO on the market in every area except for one.  And that technology was stolen from another company. 

    If this game actually delivered everything the devs promised it would deserve the rating its getting.  But its been definitively proven that that's not the case.  I'm backing off my position that its vaporware.  I think they'll release something but it'll look like the retarded bastard child of Shadowbane.  Why not just play Shadowbane?  Its dated but its still a good game.

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