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So what changed?
Jorev
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The Chronicle is offering refunds on preorders for people who don't like the changes.
Well what changes are those specifically?
I can't find anything at MMOcenter that lists the changes.
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From what I can tell, they pushed back the Beta testing to I think some time in either January or February, and they switched from the Keneva game engine to the Aura engine which they aquired at the same time they bought into mmolands.
I think there's a more of a stink going on over the fact that they seem to be saying one thing just a month ago, and then just completely back tracking now. Personally I don't care but meh... to each their own.
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Some of our members didn't like the transition, and made such an issue that the Beta (originally planned for Mid-November) would not be available till late January/Early Febuary, we offered them a way out.
No changes to the game design, or the future Timeline beyond The Chronicle have changed.
To the best of my knowledge, nobody's asked for a refund yet.
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It's the good kind of change, but some people might find it confusing or upsetting that they'll have to wait a little longer, so they might want to get their money back so they can storm away mad. That's about the sum of it.
I think it is a good faith move on the part of RR, and I think there ought to be more good faith like that between companies and players.
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If anything, this move has just strengthened my passion for TC. Now it will have the whole packet. great graphics and innovative gameplay.
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Forgivable if its only one time. Dark & Light has been delayed for 2 years like this.
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I cant wait for this game and truly think it will be the underdog that catches the mmo community off guard and rivals the big mmo's.
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Here we go again. Another MMORPG is delayed and the fanboys come running up to apologize for the developers. Fanboys make me sick. You'll sing the praises of a game all day that you've never played. You're the reason companies like SOE get away with pulling the crap they do. No matter how many times they screw their customers there's always a gang of ewok-f***ers to say "all the changes are for the best."
I hope The Chronicle is a good game. I hope Dark and Light is a good game. But all these friggin delays aren't giving me any hope.
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Well you can call people fanbois all you like (apparently in some attempt at dispelling some sort of inner anger issue maybe ?) but what I think your seeing is adults having a mature reaction to an adult situation. Try it sometime maybe ?
You can cry, bitch and moan as much as you'd like, but it's not likely to change anything. Or you can see it for what it is in a mature fashion and do the best with what their giving you, because in the end, it's seriously just a game, why stress so much over it ?
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At the risk of being beat to death by CG with his Might Hammer Of The NDA and permanently banning me from any further anything, some of us actually have seen a bit of the game world, and the changes ARE for the best.
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Eh... didn't look worth the time and effort of lifting that for what you said. ;-)
I'm not sure what his point is... I'd like him to point out any MMOG in the last 2 years that didn't delay or miss the release date.
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That's a mighty heavy hammer ya have there!
Delays are pretty much standard, aren't they? It's not like the delay announcement was something like, "We've decided to scrap the original game idea and make the game entirely about turtles, so we're delaying it until sometime in the third quarter of 2010." For goodness sake, noone ever even heard of this game before this past summer. We've been waiting for less than 6 months at this point, TOTAL. How many of the games under the "Games in Development" have people been waiting years for?
Hey, if RR were owned by EA... No, I won't go there. It's a cheap shot. Thank god they aren't.
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*sigh* You didn't even take the time to read through what I posted. I could try to rephrase it but I don't think it'll do any good. Oh well.
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If you would take the time to do some research and realize that this delay was in the games and it's player's best interest, then you wouldn't be making comments like the one you did earlier.
If a delay makes the game better, than it's for the best for everyone involved. It's not a matter of getting you into beta faster. Instant gratification isn't all it's cracked up to be.
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What infra172 meant (and imho sayed, correct me if im wrong):
The delay isnt the problem, but the "fanboi" posts. Those posts that lack objectivity by stating the improvement by delay is a indisputable fact, when in truth you only can make a good guess on that topic. Only devs know what happend behind the curtain, and it should be up to them to defend the delay. Everyone else should try to stay unbiased and not just rechew everything they were told (the fanbois, for beeing .. fanbois). A objective post of a fanboi (its possible) could look like this:
"Devs, in which i trust, told us the delay will improve the game, they also gave us some details those convinced me: (...)."
Something along that lines infra172 wanted to say i guess, but ... i guess that lack of detailedness in expressing his mind is a mirrored impression one gets of so called fanboi posts.
The cliff notes version:
1. Developers lie. Not sure if this one is though.
2. The MMORPG community should pressure them not to lie
3. Fanbois sugarcoat everything they say relieving that pressure
4. A lot of people get screwed buying into the fanboi hype
5. Developers (like SOE) screw the consumer over and over and over again because there's always a group of useful idiots around to apologize for them.
Be more skeptical. You're being asked to put down a deposit on an appartment before you get to walk in the door. A healthy dose of skepticism a few years ago would have saved the community from the Star Wars Galaxies debacle. I can't tell you how many people (including myself) bought that game and cancelled after a month because they bought into the fanboi hype. This latest revamp of the game is nothing knew. They could replace the gameplay with pong and a horde of fanbois would rush to the board to say "Its wonderful! A classic game and only $15/month! Wow! SOE is really changing the way MMORPGs work! Its even better than the old game! I like the new features! Two paddles, one on each side? What will they think of next? I love how the ball bounces off the side of the screen! Brilliant! And the sound it makes! You should win awards! Well worth the money IMHO!"
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We are not SoE. We are not Lucas Arts. I cannot speak for those companies, so I do not.
So whether or not you decide to listen to the hype, we'll continue to make the game envisioned, and you may see for yourself when we reach Open Beta.
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"When people tell me designing a game is easy, I try to get them to design a board game. Most people don't last 5 minutes, the rest rarely last more then a day. The final few realize it's neither fun nor easy."
The delay is to encorporate a vastly superior engine, improving every aspect of the game. Because of the graphics boost alone, this game can now compete with the big boys. Let's face it, the majority of people look at graphics first and only first. If they like the screens they will do some research on the actual game.
If you had a so-so computer and suddenly you had the opportunity to upgrade the hell out of it for free, wouldn't you?
Hell, I'm disappointed that this game was delayed, but it will do so much good for a game I loved even with the previously sub-par graphics, I'm more than willing to wait.
Call it fanboism if you want, that's fine. I am a fan of this game, but I call it common sense.
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Companys that delay mmorpgs do it for a reason, However they delayed the Chronicles for a very good reason.
They just Imported TC to a new engine so the graphics would be better, What would you rather have,
Rubbish graphics and have the beta 2 months before or Have good graphics and wait 2 more months.
I think i know what i would rather have
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I actually agree with you completely. I don't believe anything about any game until I play it. No game is ever as good post-release as it is in the minds of the rabid fans pre-release. Ever.
I doubted WoW. It was better than expected. I doubted EQ2. It's exactly what I expected. I've had my doubts about every EQ expansion since PoP, and they've had a mixed record there.
I did, however, pre-order The Chronicle, not because I am overwhelmed with desire to play The Chronicle in particular, but out of desire to support a company even considering doing something a little different with their game. Seeing here on mmorpg.com that they had an actual studio in an actual building that wasn't zoned residential did a lot to make me want to part with my measly little $20, though.
Maybe it will suck. Maybe it won't. I am absolutely certain they aren't going to hit every deadline... but if they can release something by summer, they'll be doing better than average. One year from announcement to product would be a freakin' miracle, IMO. And, hey, it was just $20 I would have spent on lunch out otherwise.
All I was saying is that the engine upgrade is at least a tangible and worthwhile benefit to the delay. I don't think that's fanboism, or giving too much credit to the company. I don't work for RR. I don't have all my eggs in their basket, as far as what games I am looking forward to. (In fact, if I were a fangirl for anything, it would probably be V:SoH first, then Seed, and then TC coming in somewhere around third... And, yes, I realize those three games are about as different from one another as they possibly can be.) I'm just saying that they aren't lying about this thing in particular.
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