Originally posted by )v(ajinBoob Originally posted by angerr i don't get it, that forum is crap because they don't all bash the game and share the same opinions as you? imo this forum is just as crappy with the same trolls posting the same bs over and over....but you don't have a problem with that do you? Quite the contrary. The forum is crap because the community is crap. In turn, the community is crap because of the choices of the mods and devs of the game. Instead of rational conversation we get fanboi hatred to anyone who remotely questions anything. Yet, those same individuals secretly crave the same thing everyone else does: information about the game. Is it so much to ask for some simple information about a game before I shell out 60 bucks? I don't think that's too much to ask, other's do not think so either. There's a large percentage of the population over there that not only took a blind leap, but, goes one step further. They redicule anyone who did not make the same leap they did off the cliffs of insanity. Perhaps it's a way to justify being a sucker. I wouldn't know since I'm not a complete idiot.
Here's some of the basic reasons why you would visit any forum. 1. You visit to get caught up on the latest news. There has been no worthy information released on DnL since I started checking the forums in '04. 2. You visit to talk about the game's features. No one knows anything about the features of DnL except "it has alot of land." The rest is all speculation/rumors. 3. You visit to talk with the community. The community is beyond mental these days. Constant arguments about pioneer keys, fanboi/flamer fights, pleas to the developers that go unanswered.
In closing, the reason I do not visit DnL's forums anylonger is because there is no reason to. There are however, reasons to come to MMORPG forums, which is why I still do. Did that answer your feeble attempt to counter my OP? I hope you enjoyed reading as much as I enjoyed writing.
no actually it didn't answer my question, let me rephrase the question....
why do you complain about the Dnl forums being crap when you come to these boards and do nothing but troll? this dnl forum sucks because of people like you IMO.
and thats why i asked a legitimate question...what makes you trolling here and the fanboys over on the dnl forum trolling any different? i didn't understand your point and still don't.
i do however understand the point you make about them not releasing info on the game but isn't that a whole different subject entirely? what does basic information about a game and their fan forum have anything to do with each other?
and why did you say you come here instead? mmorpg.com isn't releasing any information on the game either, so wtf? you tell me....
That we can't present the proof you want, due to the restrictive NDA, does not mean that we have no proof. It just means that you'll have to wait and see for yourself December 8th.
Yeah the community is terrible now! I've been watching this game for a long time and I'm sad to see the state of the community. Makes me not want to play the game.
I don't know where all the jerks came from but it wasn't like this a year ago. One thing I can't stand in mmorpg's is griefers and DnL seems to have a bunch of them all of a sudden. Or at least people on the forums talking about it all the time.
It's terrible. It's like battle.net moved to DnL, and I hate battle.net's community with a passion. Guess I'm used to small, friendly communities like you get in NWN where nobody griefs because you get banned instantly.
All forums go nuts when something is about to happen. VSoH forum was helll when the grab for the beta was on. I don't see much of a difference between the DnL forums and others before a beta dump or an impending release.
“Hustlers of the world, there is one mark you cannot beat: the mark inside.”
―
William S. Burroughs
It just seems that a lot of trash has migrated to DnL. And it's all forms of trash too, from naysayers to complainers to those kiddie griefers saying "i'll rez rape you and enjoy it" to just plain jerks who seem to have no other purpose than cause problems on the forums.
I'm hoping thought that they're just a vocal minority, and that come release time those of us who aren't jerks will quickly dilute all the negativity with our positivity (is positivity a word? lol)
Originally posted by holycannoli Yeah the community is terrible now! I've been watching this game for a long time and I'm sad to see the state of the community. Makes me not want to play the game. I don't know where all the jerks came from but it wasn't like this a year ago. One thing I can't stand in mmorpg's is griefers and DnL seems to have a bunch of them all of a sudden. Or at least people on the forums talking about it all the time. It's terrible. It's like battle.net moved to DnL, and I hate battle.net's community with a passion. Guess I'm used to small, friendly communities like you get in NWN where nobody griefs because you get banned instantly.
I agree. I have noticed a lot of immature posts about what I would consider dishonorable acts. It seems a lot of them don't understand or care about honorable pvp. Griefers, trash talkers and people that act dishonorably are IMHO what kill pvp games. It seems that every new game the community gets worse. Maybe its because of the lack of quality pvp games, maybe the age and inexperience of the players or maybe pvp games just atract the worst members of our community. Treating other players, even your enemy, with kindness and respect seems to be basic principles that many of these kids have never considerded. But certainly these players who play without honor have made it almost impossible for developers to make open pvp games.
I also agree with you about the language. Thats what I find most offensive about these children. I don't mind them griefing and acting immaturely but its when they open their mouth and talk when I want to log off and never return. If they grief or act stupid you can attempt to kill them if the game mechanics allow it. But you simply can't argue with children.
Originally posted by holycannoli It just seems that a lot of trash has migrated to DnL. And it's all forms of trash too, from naysayers to complainers to those kiddie griefers saying "i'll rez rape you and enjoy it" to just plain jerks who seem to have no other purpose than cause problems on the forums. I'm hoping thought that they're just a vocal minority, and that come release time those of us who aren't jerks will quickly dilute all the negativity with our positivity (is positivity a word? lol)
I'm sure that is what will happen. I certainly hope so. AD seem to be working hard to lock things down and regain some sanity. Plus they have all the customer service stuff to handle at the moment, which they are doing a very good job on as far as I can see.
“Hustlers of the world, there is one mark you cannot beat: the mark inside.”
―
William S. Burroughs
I have the same opinion than INFERNO... for all what he says.
For the new poster, im the one- im french- who have asked MMORPG.com to open a section for DNL discussion...in 2004. Im not sure it was such a good idea...
I will have to agree the communtiy is terrible. I been following it since early 2003 and was one of the first to register for their forums. It has been disappointment after disappointment. I recently made some posts calling many of the "Pioneers" out on their absolutely rude and inappropriate behavior for their "Hollier then thou" attitude and I was flamed to hell and back and was called numerous names. This will go the way of horizons if it is released. I am afraid Dec 8th will be another big disappointment.
Former GM and associate game designer for SOE and Square Enix. (2001-2008)
what i don't understand is why you guys cant just let it go? let the people who bought the preorder be happy and leave them be, you have told them your opinion and you got flamed for it...why not move on?
i mean why should you care if they waste their money? especially after you say they flamed you or whatever. if you are so confident in your beliefs let them waste their money, you have said what you need to say if they don't believe you that is their problem right? nah that would make to much sense
but we all know they cant leave it alone, they feed off the negativity they generate....that is why they do it .
don't get me wrong it is not just the naysayers and its not just the Dnl forum, i see behavior like this on all sorts off different forums. but spare me the "we are just trying to warn people" BS im not buying it.
Originally posted by )v(ajinBoob The community over at DnL has turned so sour I don't even want to visit the site any longer. In fact, I don't. Every time I have a momentary lapse of sanity, I check the English forums just in case something new/interesting has been posted. Instead, I'm greeted by fanbois and suckers bragging about how they blew 59.99 on a pre-pay (not a pre-order) and how awesome it was paying top dollar for thin air. They want to justify spending money on something retarded. If not one of those posts, it's some moron who is speculating about a job/class (they wouldn't have to speculate of NP3 would release some information), or some noob asking how to download the game. I can't remember the last time I actually left the forums at darkandlight.net and actually felt good about the project. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> What we wanted was an escape from the WoW's and EQ's of the world...what we got was their trash. The community now sickens me. The mods are moronic. The devs disappoint me time after time. I hope they manage to put out a decent product with all the new sucker-money they just raked in over the past few days. But don't expect me to cruise the worthless forums over there. They are full of some of the worst idiots I've ever seen. Very few people remain that don't have a join date of summer 2005. Most of the 2003 and 2004 folks have packed up. They are smart. See you in the game, if it ever happens.
Seeing you using your life complaining about a game you've never tryed just makes me sad. I mean if you know it's gonna be such a bad game why don't you find a better one?
Sure, there's a lot of new members on the forums, the reason they joined, however, is that SOE did such an awsome job on fucking up SWG sending their members running in all directions.
And honestly, with the amounts of MMORPG's being made whouldn't you wanna protect your ideas as well if you made 1?
Oh and to whoever suggested the starter of this post being a pioneer: Don't you think he's just jealous because he missed out on it?
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no actually it didn't answer my question, let me rephrase the question....
why do you complain about the Dnl forums being crap when you come to these boards and do nothing but troll? this dnl forum sucks because of people like you IMO.
and thats why i asked a legitimate question...what makes you trolling here and the fanboys over on the dnl forum trolling any different? i didn't understand your point and still don't.
i do however understand the point you make about them not releasing info on the game but isn't that a whole different subject entirely? what does basic information about a game and their fan forum have anything to do with each other?
and why did you say you come here instead? mmorpg.com isn't releasing any information on the game either, so wtf? you tell me....
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
Trick question: all DnL forums suck.
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Arguing over the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you are still a retard.
Trick question: all DnL forums suck.
true enough
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
That we can't present the proof you want, due to the restrictive NDA, does not mean that we have no proof. It just means that you'll have to wait and see for yourself December 8th.
"Fire is never a gentle master..."
Yeah the community is terrible now! I've been watching this game for a long time and I'm sad to see the state of the community. Makes me not want to play the game.
I don't know where all the jerks came from but it wasn't like this a year ago. One thing I can't stand in mmorpg's is griefers and DnL seems to have a bunch of them all of a sudden. Or at least people on the forums talking about it all the time.
It's terrible. It's like battle.net moved to DnL, and I hate battle.net's community with a passion. Guess I'm used to small, friendly communities like you get in NWN where nobody griefs because you get banned instantly.
All forums go nuts when something is about to happen. VSoH forum was helll when the grab for the beta was on. I don't see much of a difference between the DnL forums and others before a beta dump or an impending release.
“Hustlers of the world, there is one mark you cannot beat: the mark inside.”
― William S. Burroughs
It just seems that a lot of trash has migrated to DnL. And it's all forms of trash too, from naysayers to complainers to those kiddie griefers saying "i'll rez rape you and enjoy it" to just plain jerks who seem to have no other purpose than cause problems on the forums.
I'm hoping thought that they're just a vocal minority, and that come release time those of us who aren't jerks will quickly dilute all the negativity with our positivity (is positivity a word? lol)
I agree. I have noticed a lot of immature posts about what I would consider dishonorable acts. It seems a lot of them don't understand or care about honorable pvp. Griefers, trash talkers and people that act dishonorably are IMHO what kill pvp games. It seems that every new game the community gets worse. Maybe its because of the lack of quality pvp games, maybe the age and inexperience of the players or maybe pvp games just atract the worst members of our community. Treating other players, even your enemy, with kindness and respect seems to be basic principles that many of these kids have never considerded. But certainly these players who play without honor have made it almost impossible for developers to make open pvp games.
I also agree with you about the language. Thats what I find most offensive about these children. I don't mind them griefing and acting immaturely but its when they open their mouth and talk when I want to log off and never return. If they grief or act stupid you can attempt to kill them if the game mechanics allow it. But you simply can't argue with children.
I'm sure that is what will happen. I certainly hope so. AD seem to be working hard to lock things down and regain some sanity. Plus they have all the customer service stuff to handle at the moment, which they are doing a very good job on as far as I can see.
“Hustlers of the world, there is one mark you cannot beat: the mark inside.”
― William S. Burroughs
I have the same opinion than INFERNO... for all what he says.
For the new poster, im the one- im french- who have asked MMORPG.com to open a section for DNL discussion...in 2004.
Im not sure it was such a good idea...
what i don't understand is why you guys cant just let it go? let the people who bought the preorder be happy and leave them be, you have told them your opinion and you got flamed for it...why not move on?
i mean why should you care if they waste their money? especially after you say they flamed you or whatever. if you are so confident in your beliefs let them waste their money, you have said what you need to say if they don't believe you that is their problem right? nah that would make to much sense
but we all know they cant leave it alone, they feed off the negativity they generate....that is why they do it .
don't get me wrong it is not just the naysayers and its not just the Dnl forum, i see behavior like this on all sorts off different forums. but spare me the "we are just trying to warn people" BS im not buying it.
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
Seeing you using your life complaining about a game you've never tryed just makes me sad. I mean if you know it's gonna be such a bad game why don't you find a better one?
Sure, there's a lot of new members on the forums, the reason they joined, however, is that SOE did such an awsome job on fucking up SWG sending their members running in all directions.
And honestly, with the amounts of MMORPG's being made whouldn't you wanna protect your ideas as well if you made 1?
Oh and to whoever suggested the starter of this post being a pioneer: Don't you think he's just jealous because he missed out on it?