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  • ScarisScaris Member UncommonPosts: 5,332


    Originally posted by imedspace
    dude you're an idiot...obviously you have never played the NGE it's a ridiculous farce, the movement, camera views, UI are so pathetic it's actually funny to see ( as long as you played pre-cu so you know how good the UI was to compare it with ).


    Not that I am argueing you about the NGE, however SWG's interface has always sucked. It just went from mediocre to downright aweful with the NGE.

    - Scaris

    "What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World

  • SharkypalSharkypal Member Posts: 1,137



    Originally posted by imedspace



    Originally posted by Sharkypal

    I hate to point this out, but if they are canning the game, why bother with the NGE? Why bother with ToOW? There is no point whatsoever. All you naysayers go on and on about how the game is dead but yet there is all kinds of maintenance going on etc.
    CSR support is not down because the game is dead. It's down because the game is in such a severe state of transformation and until they get the thing fully over to the NGE, I suspect there is not much the CSR's can do.
    The logic behind the imminent shutdown of SWG is very flawed. Riddle me this please! SOE had a happy (well as happy as they were going to be) player base of about 250K. That is well above the profit line in MMO terms. So what you naysayers are telling me is that they dumped that entire group and implemented massive changes so they could shut the game down? That isn't making a lot of sense to me.
    What makes perfect sense to me is that they are moving the game away from slow, boring and only rewarding for those who spend their lives playing. They are opening the game up to the mass market. A group that SWG was basically inaccessible to up until now. How you people think that this will fail and kill the game I really don't understand?
    You may not like it and I can totally relate to that. It is by no means perfect. It is however mass market "friendly" and also carries the SW name. SOE has received bad press and many cancellations but if you think for a second this was not anticipated, expose another vein! They knew the reaction to the CU was bad and could ONLY have drawn the conclusion that the reaction to the NGE would be worse.
    All those who go on and on about the imminent SWG2, drink some more! It may materialize but since it is more than likely no more than a paper project at present you can expect to wait AT LEAST 2 years and very probably more.
    I know some of you would like nothing more to see SWG tank because you feel betrayed and ripped off. I sympathize! It isnt going to happen! All the conclusions you are drawing are wrong. It is definitely going through a hard time, a time of drastic change, but the actions of SOE do not indicate a shutdown. Will there be server consolidation? Possibly. Will there be job cuts at SOE? Maybe! Will the game be dead in 2006? No, not a chance. Nothing points to that at all.
    As far as Torres avoiding that interview, I understand that perfectly. This is not the right time for him to take an interview. SOE know they will get creamed now. They will wait until the NGE dust has settled. All the whiners and moaners will no longer be able to post on the SWG forums when their subs run out. They will move on when they realise there collective whining will accomplish nothing. I know, I used to be one of the whiners.
    Just use some deductive reasoning and you will come to the right conclusions. Did they screw the vets? Oh hell yes they did! That, most of you got right. The reasons they did it are what you all have wrong! It wasn't to close the game down. It was to generate more interest. And that it will do!
    S


    dude  you're an idiot...obviously you have never played the NGE it's a ridiculous farce, the movement, camera views, UI are so pathetic it's actually funny to see ( as long as you played pre-cu so you know how good the UI was to compare it with ).


    And you sir, are a retard. I'm playing it right now and ALT-TABBING occasionally to laugh at you people who just WON'T get a clue.

    Duncan, if you don't play and don't like the game then why are you here? This is the SWG section of the forums! Call me an idiot but Im guessing thats for people who are playing the game or who are at least interested in it. Not for a bunch of gits who are only interested in trying to tear it down or holding out for a roll back or whatever.

    Get a grip! It ain't going to happen!

    S imageimageimage imageimageimage

  • ScarisScaris Member UncommonPosts: 5,332


    Originally posted by Fadinaway
    I have played, pre NGE, pre CU, and pre launch. I am having plenty of fun in NGE SWG.
    It is a shame how people that say they don't even play the game anymore come down on anyone saying they actually like the game and are still playing.

    Can't say I have seen many actually come down on people for liking the game. There are always a few but good forum sense usually tells you which ones to ignore. However I have seen plenty of debate on the quality of the NGE, how it was presented to the community, and what it has done to the community.

    Your having fun, congratulations. I am glad you are able to enjoy it after the changes as much as before (somewhat of a presumption on my part...). It would be silly for me to try to devalidate the fact that you are having fun. There is plenty of factual things to discuss about the NGE however that isn't putting your fun to question.

    - Scaris

    "What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World

  • duncan_922duncan_922 Member Posts: 1,670



    Originally posted by Sharkypal



    Originally posted by imedspace



    Originally posted by Sharkypal

    I hate to point this out, but if they are canning the game, why bother with the NGE? Why bother with ToOW? There is no point whatsoever. All you naysayers go on and on about how the game is dead but yet there is all kinds of maintenance going on etc.
    CSR support is not down because the game is dead. It's down because the game is in such a severe state of transformation and until they get the thing fully over to the NGE, I suspect there is not much the CSR's can do.
    The logic behind the imminent shutdown of SWG is very flawed. Riddle me this please! SOE had a happy (well as happy as they were going to be) player base of about 250K. That is well above the profit line in MMO terms. So what you naysayers are telling me is that they dumped that entire group and implemented massive changes so they could shut the game down? That isn't making a lot of sense to me.
    What makes perfect sense to me is that they are moving the game away from slow, boring and only rewarding for those who spend their lives playing. They are opening the game up to the mass market. A group that SWG was basically inaccessible to up until now. How you people think that this will fail and kill the game I really don't understand?
    You may not like it and I can totally relate to that. It is by no means perfect. It is however mass market "friendly" and also carries the SW name. SOE has received bad press and many cancellations but if you think for a second this was not anticipated, expose another vein! They knew the reaction to the CU was bad and could ONLY have drawn the conclusion that the reaction to the NGE would be worse.
    All those who go on and on about the imminent SWG2, drink some more! It may materialize but since it is more than likely no more than a paper project at present you can expect to wait AT LEAST 2 years and very probably more.
    I know some of you would like nothing more to see SWG tank because you feel betrayed and ripped off. I sympathize! It isnt going to happen! All the conclusions you are drawing are wrong. It is definitely going through a hard time, a time of drastic change, but the actions of SOE do not indicate a shutdown. Will there be server consolidation? Possibly. Will there be job cuts at SOE? Maybe! Will the game be dead in 2006? No, not a chance. Nothing points to that at all.
    As far as Torres avoiding that interview, I understand that perfectly. This is not the right time for him to take an interview. SOE know they will get creamed now. They will wait until the NGE dust has settled. All the whiners and moaners will no longer be able to post on the SWG forums when their subs run out. They will move on when they realise there collective whining will accomplish nothing. I know, I used to be one of the whiners.
    Just use some deductive reasoning and you will come to the right conclusions. Did they screw the vets? Oh hell yes they did! That, most of you got right. The reasons they did it are what you all have wrong! It wasn't to close the game down. It was to generate more interest. And that it will do!
    S


    dude  you're an idiot...obviously you have never played the NGE it's a ridiculous farce, the movement, camera views, UI are so pathetic it's actually funny to see ( as long as you played pre-cu so you know how good the UI was to compare it with ).


    And you sir, are a retard. I'm playing it right now and ALT-TABBING occasionally to laugh at you people who just WON'T get a clue.

    Duncan, if you don't play and don't like the game then why are you here? This is the SWG section of the forums! Call me an idiot but Im guessing thats for people who are playing the game or who are at least interested in it. Not for a bunch of gits who are only interested in trying to tear it down or holding out for a roll back or whatever.

    Get a grip! It ain't going to happen!

    S imageimageimage imageimageimage



    I never called you an idiot and I wasn't planning to.  Resorting to name calling is childish and I don't step down to that lvl.  Kinda what you and the other guy did.  Guess that's why you like this game since it seems to be catered for children.

    SOE knows what you like... You don't!
    And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!

  • SharkypalSharkypal Member Posts: 1,137



    Originally posted by duncan_922



    Originally posted by Sharkypal



    Originally posted by imedspace



    Originally posted by Sharkypal

    I hate to point this out, but if they are canning the game, why bother with the NGE? Why bother with ToOW? There is no point whatsoever. All you naysayers go on and on about how the game is dead but yet there is all kinds of maintenance going on etc.
    CSR support is not down because the game is dead. It's down because the game is in such a severe state of transformation and until they get the thing fully over to the NGE, I suspect there is not much the CSR's can do.
    The logic behind the imminent shutdown of SWG is very flawed. Riddle me this please! SOE had a happy (well as happy as they were going to be) player base of about 250K. That is well above the profit line in MMO terms. So what you naysayers are telling me is that they dumped that entire group and implemented massive changes so they could shut the game down? That isn't making a lot of sense to me.
    What makes perfect sense to me is that they are moving the game away from slow, boring and only rewarding for those who spend their lives playing. They are opening the game up to the mass market. A group that SWG was basically inaccessible to up until now. How you people think that this will fail and kill the game I really don't understand?
    You may not like it and I can totally relate to that. It is by no means perfect. It is however mass market "friendly" and also carries the SW name. SOE has received bad press and many cancellations but if you think for a second this was not anticipated, expose another vein! They knew the reaction to the CU was bad and could ONLY have drawn the conclusion that the reaction to the NGE would be worse.
    All those who go on and on about the imminent SWG2, drink some more! It may materialize but since it is more than likely no more than a paper project at present you can expect to wait AT LEAST 2 years and very probably more.
    I know some of you would like nothing more to see SWG tank because you feel betrayed and ripped off. I sympathize! It isnt going to happen! All the conclusions you are drawing are wrong. It is definitely going through a hard time, a time of drastic change, but the actions of SOE do not indicate a shutdown. Will there be server consolidation? Possibly. Will there be job cuts at SOE? Maybe! Will the game be dead in 2006? No, not a chance. Nothing points to that at all.
    As far as Torres avoiding that interview, I understand that perfectly. This is not the right time for him to take an interview. SOE know they will get creamed now. They will wait until the NGE dust has settled. All the whiners and moaners will no longer be able to post on the SWG forums when their subs run out. They will move on when they realise there collective whining will accomplish nothing. I know, I used to be one of the whiners.
    Just use some deductive reasoning and you will come to the right conclusions. Did they screw the vets? Oh hell yes they did! That, most of you got right. The reasons they did it are what you all have wrong! It wasn't to close the game down. It was to generate more interest. And that it will do!
    S


    dude  you're an idiot...obviously you have never played the NGE it's a ridiculous farce, the movement, camera views, UI are so pathetic it's actually funny to see ( as long as you played pre-cu so you know how good the UI was to compare it with ).


    And you sir, are a retard. I'm playing it right now and ALT-TABBING occasionally to laugh at you people who just WON'T get a clue.

    Duncan, if you don't play and don't like the game then why are you here? This is the SWG section of the forums! Call me an idiot but Im guessing thats for people who are playing the game or who are at least interested in it. Not for a bunch of gits who are only interested in trying to tear it down or holding out for a roll back or whatever.

    Get a grip! It ain't going to happen!

    S imageimageimage imageimageimage


    I never called you an idiot and I wasn't planning to.  Resorting to name calling is childish and I don't step down to that lvl.  Kinda what you and the other guy did.  Guess that's why you like this game since it seems to be catered for children.


    I didn't call you an idiot Duncan. The 2nd paragraph was addressed to you. The "retard" I was referring to was the guy who called ME an idiot.

    S

  • UlfarUlfar Member Posts: 75

    Handbags at Dawn.

    It is a fact that they have cut Customer service to one degree or another. They didnt do this on a whim, they did it in response to not needing that many people due to lower game population.

    If the population has fallen that much then probably the next thing will be server consolidation.

    This is a very slippery slope that is hard to recover from.

  • SharkypalSharkypal Member Posts: 1,137



    Originally posted by Fadeus




    Originally posted by Sharkypal


    Originally posted by Fadeus

    Originally posted by SharkypalYes and you seem to be oblivious to the fact that people are playing and enjoying SWG. All this despite the fact that you and others here are not! I have an idea! GO AWAY and play something else. Nothing you say or do will change the facts. You have little or no business sense Dunc! They care about $$$! They DON'T care about you. They go where the cash is. The cash is not in a niche game that requires about 6 -20 months to become a Jedi. The changes will prove successful to some degree, the game will not die and you can moan, whine and naysay till he'll freezes over. The old, boring and elitest SWG is gone (Thank the maker). The new SWG may need some work, but I have never had so much fun.SPS : GET OVER IT and YOURSELVES! image

    2.5 - 3 professions in 3 weeks is elitist??

    I specified a profession. THE profession that interests the majority of people who are interested in SWG and the profession which most interests potential customers of the NGE. Lets stick to what I say and not the words you try to put in my mouth.
    Cheers
    S image


    AH! You wanted a glow stick but didn't wanna invest time into it. NOW I get it.



    Yah, you got me! Not! This would be my 2nd Jedi and my 5th character in the SWG universe. image

    Its such a comfort to know that patronizing persons such as yourself have either left or are on their way out!

    A more accessible SWG is a better SWG! image

    S image

  • duncan_922duncan_922 Member Posts: 1,670



    Originally posted by Sharkypal



    Originally posted by Fadeus




    Originally posted by Sharkypal


    Originally posted by Fadeus

    Originally posted by SharkypalYes and you seem to be oblivious to the fact that people are playing and enjoying SWG. All this despite the fact that you and others here are not! I have an idea! GO AWAY and play something else. Nothing you say or do will change the facts. You have little or no business sense Dunc! They care about $$$! They DON'T care about you. They go where the cash is. The cash is not in a niche game that requires about 6 -20 months to become a Jedi. The changes will prove successful to some degree, the game will not die and you can moan, whine and naysay till he'll freezes over. The old, boring and elitest SWG is gone (Thank the maker). The new SWG may need some work, but I have never had so much fun.SPS : GET OVER IT and YOURSELVES! image

    2.5 - 3 professions in 3 weeks is elitist??

    I specified a profession. THE profession that interests the majority of people who are interested in SWG and the profession which most interests potential customers of the NGE. Lets stick to what I say and not the words you try to put in my mouth.
    Cheers
    S image


    AH! You wanted a glow stick but didn't wanna invest time into it. NOW I get it.



    Yah, you got me! Not! This would be my 2nd Jedi and my 5th character in the SWG universe. image

    Its such a comfort to know that patronizing persons such as yourself have either left or are on their way out!

    A more accessible SWG is a better SWG! image

    S image


    That's the problem Sharky...  You see it as a "more accesible SWG".  That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.  Problem is that me and most others see it as a "more dumbed down SWG" and that's not a better SWG.  They attempted to turn into a MMOFPS and failed, it's stuck in the middle between MMORPG and MMOFPS, but not in a good way, kinda like the wet, sticky spot on the bed. 

    At the end of the day, if you find it more accessible, fine.  But the fact is that they've removed this fine, intricate and different system they had in favor of another meh! title.  And trust me, there are better meh! titles out there.  It won't survive as it stands!

    SOE knows what you like... You don't!
    And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!

  • ScarisScaris Member UncommonPosts: 5,332


    Originally posted by Sharkypal
    Yah, you got me! Not! This would be my 2nd Jedi and my 5th character in the SWG universe. image
    Its such a comfort to know that patronizing persons such as yourself have either left or are on their way out!
    A more accessible SWG is a better SWG! image
    S image

    Not unless / until EQ 2 tires me. SWG is just a freebie for me now since I am paying for an All Access Pass so I get the extra character slots and access to all their mediocre games along with EQ 2 which I feel is still a quality product.

    And just to clear things up abit, you said no more days of elitist SWG at the end of the original post I commented on. That would mean apparently to YOU that SWG was about nothing more then getting jedi. Its too bad that was all it was too you but there was plenty of people that it was FAR more too then that. And the majority are not jedi currently. I would say between 40% - 50% are, thats not the majority. SWG was never elitist unless you made it into that for yourself.

    You spoke about one profession and then made a sweeping statement about the entire game. The game was about more then being a jedi to me and I am sure many other people.

    - Scaris

    "What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World

  • SharkypalSharkypal Member Posts: 1,137



    Originally posted by Fadeus




    Originally posted by Sharkypal
    Yah, you got me! Not! This would be my 2nd Jedi and my 5th character in the SWG universe. image
    Its such a comfort to know that patronizing persons such as yourself have either left or are on their way out!
    A more accessible SWG is a better SWG! image
    S image


    Not unless / until EQ 2 tires me. SWG is just a freebie for me now since I am paying for an All Access Pass so I get the extra character slots and access to all their mediocre games along with EQ 2 which I feel is still a quality product.

    And just to clear things up abit, you said no more days of elitist SWG at the end of the original post I commented on. That would mean apparently to YOU that SWG was about nothing more then getting jedi. Its too bad that was all it was too you but there was plenty of people that it was FAR more too then that. And the majority are not jedi currently. I would say between 40% - 50% are, thats not the majority. SWG was never elitist unless you made it into that for yourself.

    You spoke about one profession and then made a sweeping statement about the entire game. The game was about more then being a jedi to me and I am sure many other people.



    It was never all about being a Jedi for me. I played more with my BH/Smuggler than any of my other Characters. I would totally agree that SOE have dumbed the game down and betrayed the vets.

    The only difference between myself and many others here is I can respect the NGE for what it is. FUN! I liked the old SWG but it was a very niche game. It was never going to last in that state. I understand that many people aren't into the speed or simplicity of the NGE. Unfortunately thats the way the game is now and it isn't going to go away.

    SOE have made some drastic changes that they knew were going to cause problems but I truly believe it was for the greater good. I think this will be reflected in time. I am not blind,  the NGE is far from perfect. We need to give it time. And yes, I know some of you are going to say you have given it time. Well it's time for more time if you are planning on sticking with SWG.

    I don't like to be harsh but it just baffles me why some people stick around and naysay constantly. It won't change a damn thing. If you know SOE then you know this. Thats why I say get over it and move on!

    S

  • ScarisScaris Member UncommonPosts: 5,332

    I am guessing since there has been one else with supportive evidence to the original topic of this thread and I have seen zero about it on the official forums all day that it was a hoax, false, fake-o, bunk?

    - Scaris

    "What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World

  • ShaydeShayde Member Posts: 4,529

    I know the person who posted it, have known him for years. Have no reason why he would lie... especially when he plans to stay until January to give it a chance.

    But then again.. TFN could have meant a couple days.

    Shayde - SWG (dead)
    Proud member of the Cabal.
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    It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled :( - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me.
    I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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  • GkarrGkarr Member UncommonPosts: 46

    Logged into my SWG account 2 days ago. Have over 100 people on my friends list. Only 1 person online. Dosen't  take a brain surgeon to figure out where this game is heading. image

     

    Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly upon our own point of view - Obi-Wan Kenobi

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