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out with SWG and in with SWG2??? someone may know..
Warsong
Member Posts: 563
Like the NGE do ya?? be prepared to say bye to it and all that you new guys have worked on lately if any of this is true perhaps.
Its not "official" and could be just tripe but I thought it may be worth a post.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Bloodfin&message.id=603092
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Whether they are making a SWG 2 or not will be in packaging only. As far as I'm concerned they've already made up to SWG 3, canceling SWG 1 and 2 in the process as neither of the 'upgrades' left the game remotely like it was in original. If they do make a part 2, I hope they take the time necessary to release a game that is worthy of putting time in to and do not slap those who do put that time in in the face by changing the game so drastically it left their original game play in vain.
If this is true, please make it good.
-W.
You REALLY should cut & Paste since you KNOW they'll delete it as soon as they find it.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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[quote]Originally posted by Shayde
[b]You REALLY should cut & Paste since you KNOW they'll delete it as soon as they find it.[quote]
LOL very true, what was I thinking!!!!
PIRATE LORDS
this info directly contradicts that lady in the NYT interview article!
She (the SOE rep in the article) said they wanted to get away from "uncle owen" and be more han or luke....so which is it?
Faxx
I'm just about as big of a fan of Star Wars as anyone could be. My game room upstairs is decorated with hanging lightsabers and original posters from 1977 premier. Ive got a collection of pewter figures. I have the original soundtrack (lp) signed by John Williams. Ive been to Celebration in Indianapolis last yr. And I followed SWG from alpha and played in beta till 2 days before the NGE launched.
Now, having said all that I wouldnt ever touch this game again. I dont care if they totally rebuild a new game. I dont care if they spend $50 million on it and hire 300 devs to design it. It will still be run by the most incompetent mmorpg company around. It will still be led by the biggest liers who care little about ethics.
SOE can go to hell
I took some time today and read through all the SWG server forums and found many posts on every server forum about how most everything is like a ghost town and tons of daffy posts that also mentioned over and over timelines to accounts ending.
They have no other choice but rebuild it from the ground up and if your thinking of trying the game out and any try and tell you their server is well populated and doing just fine get the server name and go read that servers forum, it will indicate otherwise.
I wouldnt waste my time on it until SWG2 comes along if you want a SW MMO to play and if its still under SOE be very wary.
PIRATE LORDS
gl to SOE/La and all the players who still play and happy holidays
No more bashing from me
HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL
As a troller of the Radiant boards for 2 years, I can tell you that you are wrong. Seriously. Dead wrong.
I was a troller. I was also the Mayor of the largest functioning city on the server and I was also the GL of one of the largest guilds on the server. Many of the other forum regulars were on my friends list and where on daily. On any given server, the number of those on the forums is about 10% of the population. Of that 10%, 80% are very active and of that 80%, 30% are leaders in some form or another (either trade, guild, city community, PVPing etc etc.).
Sure...There is no reasearch to support my %, but it is an educated guess having been a long time vet of the SWG boards and being an active participant/leader of my community.
Tell me...how active in your community are you that you are such a good judge?
I am going to have to disagree with you on that. Often I log in and just sit at mos eisly starport now so I can listen to people complain about how things are now and trying to deal with the NGE. I don't see alot of happiness, I do see alot of people not caring anymore and doing things like setting up a dancer with very adult content for what they say every so often and leave themselves running a macro til they get banned while they are AFK.
I don't in general see much more happiness in the game then out, I just see those that are willing to accept it for the time being either because they are on their way out or they just don't want to not be able to play a Star Wars MMO. I am quite sure this isn't the entire community but its what I am seeing mostly right now.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
As a troller of the Radiant boards for 2 years, I can tell you that you are wrong. Seriously. Dead wrong.
I was a troller. I was also the Mayor of the largest functioning city on the server and I was also the GL of one of the largest guilds on the server. Many of the other forum regulars were on my friends list and where on daily. On any given server, the number of those on the forums is about 10% of the population. Of that 10%, 80% are very active and of that 80%, 30% are leaders in some form or another (either trade, guild, city community, PVPing etc etc.).
Sure...There is no reasearch to support my %, but it is an educated guess having been a long time vet of the SWG boards and being an active participant/leader of my community.
Tell me...how active in your community are you that you are such a good judge?
Ok just to get this strait here dude, your saying you were a troller yourself for 2 years, which is you and everyone else who played SWG then how can you say that the people posting are different than the people in the game and that people are upset because thier "trolling buddies" left? That doesnt make any sense at all. I'm saying people left for this reason and that and never asked nor care how long you "trolled" yourself or whatever status you think you hold in the game. It's irrelevant when your looking at the larger picture. Lower playerbase = lowered postage in forums, surely you can agree with that.
Uhh..I didn't say they were different. Maybe that's why it doesn't make any sense to you? You never asked how long I "trolled"? I wasn't responding to you either. None of the quotes above are from you.
Whatever playerbase remains is simply not what they claim. We all know this and we all know why. As for posting frequently for any period of time to be honest I hardly posted myself because for people like myself reading the forums was entertaining enough. And we all know whining and flaming was the forum game there so why bother, unless you were posting to actually help get things done you wasted time.
Earth to bugzonlsd...Earth to bugzonlsd! Hello...Im' KJFett...the guy that has been stating that forum counts are down by 60% since the NGE hit in most of my posts now. Ohh and yes...some of my posts were actually helpful so back off.
But yea I mayored my own city on Starsider and took it from a level 2 to level 4 in two months and was part of guild that had a headcount of 60 + with a friendlist 3 to 400 strong and if I were stupid enough to keep funding that subscription to login right now or at a "peaktime" that friendlist would be dead, and thats not just me dude, thats posted on the forums from other players as well, if you know as many people on your server as you claim then you know firsthand that list has diminished by a large % or is probably non existant. If the server pop on certain servers is up , it's only because people are migrating into other servers, that doesnt make the entire pop go up in %, its just emptying out the now completley dead servers.
This paragrapgh did nothing but support what I have said all along..I fail to see why you felt the urge to flame me.
If you want numbers look at the numbers from old posts on the forums like galaxy, professions and so on, even if someone posted twice or three times the numbers now are at an alltime low. The NGE had a much larger effect on players leaving then the first CU, it doesn't even compare.
Again...Im the ONLY guy that has been POSTING THOSE NUMBERS!!!!! Forum counts are down 60% overall. Pre NGE almost 3K logged in and 7500 guests to present 900 logged in and 2500 guests for the same time period after a 2 week observation and study. I never said anyhting about the first CU...again...why are you flaming me? I'm the one that first pointed to solid evidence of forum decline.
I'm not upset that these people left, honestly I dont know them in real life, but I know they had good cause and so did I. If you wanna stick around and hope your "trolling buddies" will be back thats up to you like I said, keep taking it in the rear, but you dont have to and you shouldnt.
I didn't stick around. Account canceled and inactive Decemeber 5th. First time it was canceled since I opened day of Launch..and that was after nearly 2 months fo Beta. Again...why flame me?
WTH are you talking about? It looks like you were trying to flame me...yet you make no points that are different from mine nor any post I have made for that matter.
Dude wth are you talking about, people are pissed cause of the nge and not just that,its hundreds of other problems that are in the game.
The only reason you think people are completely different then in the forums is because the minority that still play are:
1. In a deep sense of hope that they will get fixes and such to "make the game better"
2. The ones who dont know any better because they just started
3. Hadnt been playing over 6 months ( this is the majority of the minority )
4. Just have nothing better to do then try and make the best of the time they over-subscribed to / mess that is now SWG
5. Dont give a crap cause its a" Star Wars game"
6. People who are planning on quitting soon anyways
And incase you didnt notice throughout the time of SWG not everyone was trolling! Lots of the people who were posting were the ones trying to get bugs fixed or helping others with gameplay and making videos for entertainment while servers were down.
Dont sit there and blow smoke up his arse, or try to stand up for the game, if you like the NGE and SOE/LA so damn much get back in the game and keep taking it up the rear! WE ALL KNOW THE NGE CRAPPED OUT and now the people mentioned above are the only ones left but the fact is, not everyone just takes getting pushed around by SOE/La lightly and did nothing about it /applaud for those who dont and left.
I'm not defending the NGE or bashing it. All I want to say to you is, that before the NGE Bloodfin forums was full of trolling. Trolling has always been a part of forums unfortunately and will always be a part of it. I'm just learning to ignore it instead of arguing with the trolls to stop.
Dude wth are you talking about, people are pissed cause of the nge and not just that,its hundreds of other problems that are in the game.
The only reason you think people are completely different then in the forums is because the minority that still play are:
1. In a deep sense of hope that they will get fixes and such to "make the game better"
2. The ones who dont know any better because they just started
3. Hadnt been playing over 6 months ( this is the majority of the minority )
4. Just have nothing better to do then try and make the best of the time they over-subscribed to / mess that is now SWG
5. Dont give a crap cause its a" Star Wars game"
6. People who are planning on quitting soon anyways
And incase you didnt notice throughout the time of SWG not everyone was trolling! Lots of the people who were posting were the ones trying to get bugs fixed or helping others with gameplay and making videos for entertainment while servers were down.
Dont sit there and blow smoke up his arse, or try to stand up for the game, if you like the NGE and SOE/LA so damn much get back in the game and keep taking it up the rear! WE ALL KNOW THE NGE CRAPPED OUT and now the people mentioned above are the only ones left but the fact is, not everyone just takes getting pushed around by SOE/La lightly and did nothing about it /applaud for those who dont and left.
I'm not defending the NGE or bashing it. All I want to say to you is, that before the NGE Bloodfin forums was full of trolling. Trolling has always been a part of forums unfortunately and will always be a part of it. I'm just learning to ignore it instead of arguing with the trolls to stop.
Being a troll, I think I have some insight you might do well to know. Trolls are like cattle. When they move on and the feild is left empty aside from the occasional wanderer...its a good sign that the feild has problems.
Anyway, the boards were a place to add to the game. It was used to advertise player content. Give conrats or trash talk the other side. It was like a big guild chat that everyone on the server has access to. When guild chat dies and no one is talking...does it mean that the guild is thriving? No..it means no one is around...stay that way long enough and its a dead guild.
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Simple reason why I tend to believe the doomsday predictors now:
Formerly staunch defenders of the game who have always tried to use FACTUAL information to back up their statements are now departing or have already departed:
Jodokai
Fadeus
Elnator
Erillion
Furthermore... current supporters of the game's supposed "health" refuse to provide factual information or evidence to that affect.
I have seen screenshots of "Very Light" servers where there once were none. Bria and Ahazi are verifiably at MEDIUM during PEAK time. Something that has NEVER happened in the HISTORY of the game.
Entire PA's are *gone*
Entire player cities have *vanished*
You can state otherwise all you want. But I've seen screenshots to prove it. Until I see a SWG Apologist provide PROOF that the servers are "as crowded as ever" I will believe the folks saying it's dying. Because both my experience with the free trial and my seeing it with my own two eyes on my friend's account back up the folks who are saying it's dying.
On top of all THAT evidence is the simple undeniable fact that:
RESPECTED and profitable 3rd party sites not affiliated withany particular camp have official polls from THOUSANDS of players. All of those polls show an overwhelmingly NEGATIVE reception for the NGE... EVEN FROM NEW PLAYERS.
Can it recover? Of course it has that *potential*. SWG has ALWAYS had potential... SOE and LucasArts have been dumbfoundingly unable to tap into it's potential... thus several MAJOR changes to the game in it's lifetime without ever once finishing ANY of them.
Will it?
Only time will tell.
As of NOW: It is dying.
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I played SWG a bit too until the NGE came. Now with that said, After seeing all of the lies and no customer support and how SOE could cars less about its player base and only cares for making the money. I also believe that SOE thinks becuase of its name "SOE" and the Star Wars title. they believe thats enough to keep people playing.
That however is not true, they have made a very bad name form them self. Its good that they are getting the bad press they derserve it. for me I will never play a game ran by SOE again.
As for SWG, even if it was remade from the ground up into SWG2 or 3 or 4 whatever you would call it. I would never play it again aslong as its ran by SOE.
if it was under a new company that has no connection to SOE and remade from the ground up as a new game. not as a remake of the old game. then i would give it a try.