For some of us, we liked these things and want them back. I don't care what the skin on the treadmill looks like or what name is attached to it. I want a social game, where my actions had a real effect on my character. I want a game that challenges me, makes me feel scared to do certain things, makes me feel proud to do others. If you don't like things like that nobody will force you to play...I promise.
For everyone that loves forced grouping and social games, I've got the best one out there for ya...
Originally posted by mxmissile For some of us, we liked these things and want them back. I don't care what the skin on the treadmill looks like or what name is attached to it. I want a social game, where my actions had a real effect on my character. I want a game that challenges me, makes me feel scared to do certain things, makes me feel proud to do others. If you don't like things like that nobody will force you to play...I promise. For everyone that loves forced grouping and social games, I've got the best one out there for ya... IRC Oh and its free!
lol that is so ignorant, i don't expect your feeble mind to understand why we like to interact with people when we play games. why don't you go play a console game where you belong?
As I understand it, this game is definetly going back to EQ style. Up until very recently i have played EQ2 and have become increasingly frustrated by either new content or by excessive downtimes. I played my character there to maximum level and simply got bored because of the brattish attitudes of a lot of the higher end players, i felt isolated and unable to group with all but a few close 'friends'. I'm very happy that the developers of vanguard have been looking into some of these issues, and creating more of a challenging game for us, I'll be trying it for sure, and i'm certain a lot of current EQ2 players will be right behind me!!
By the way, all I know until now is release before july, anyone got more news on that?
I like grouping wiht my friends to do stuff its fun lowers dowtime etc. BUT there needs to be a medium. I should be able to take a mob on my own without 10 min of downtime, granted it SHOULD NOT BE 15 seconds. forced grouping is one of teh lamest things ever, friends arent on so you're forced into a pickup group that fails to co-operate great that = 1 wasted day of my paid subscription. time to hope for a better day tomorow
O and to that guy who said he hopes for perma death in this game, i hope you realize that even the most hardcore death penalty lovers who think out every action extremely carefully only need to make one single stupid mistake and o great time to start over from step 1. im sure you know this, now t might be me..but......where the hell is the fun in that? O GREAT i got disconnected, something completely outside of my power, o yea i was i the middle of fighting that mob on my max lvl'd char, SWEET IM DEAD! TIME TO START OVER /sigh sorry dont want this game ruined for me
Forced grouping is fine as long as it impact on grouping uberness only.
So a soloer can solo to his heart content without improving his grouping level, skill or whatever. A soloer who is soloing is someone who is playing and online, if he doesn't progress group-wise while he solo, all the best. He become the best soloer on the whole server by doing nothing else but soloing, good for him, maybe he will care about raising his grouping aspect now, if not, well see ya later. Most soloers would group.
Same apply on every aspect of the game. See, Brad understand peoples doesn't want PvP to be enforced, why can't he understand peoples doesn't want Raiding, tradeskills or even grouping enforced?
Me personnally, I always enjoy to put my LFG tag and start playing without caring about getting or not a group, if I doesn't get a group, to bad for them, I am playing anyway and having a blast.
The 1 system with a total hierarchy is a doomfall for the next generation MMO, which Vanguard claims to be. Best soloer on the server deserve to be a soloer and have no fear, I am a noob as far as soloing goes. I may rule in the grouping system however, depend on my luck of been recruited.
I remember the madness in old EQ, I was barely log in and didn't talk and group offers where already kicking in. I doesn't expect my game to be that offering for groups, but I expect to PLAY and make fun and this exclude completely raiding, PvP or waiting.
Why I keep writing here? Because all the other MMOs devs elsewhere ain't listening and for some reason I can't explain, I hope that it is possible to get Verant to understand, it is no easy task, but eh, they say it is a risk VS reward concept...and expressing myself with all the trigger happy fanboi is certainly high risk.
See, SoE made the mistake to keep 1 system and dumbing down everything. WoW did even worser on this chapter. 1 system doesn't work, a soloer should lack in everything but freaking rule the solo content better than anyone else. A raider should lack as soon as he is not raiding, but for some reasons, it is hard to accept. Maybe you have the wrong peoples raiding, but real raiders would raid for raid uberness even if it give them nothing else, in fact they would be grateful for cleaning all the lootwhore from the raiding guilds. But again, getting this to be understood fairly is hard...yet...for some..."illogical" reasons, I believe I have more chances to convince Verant...err Sigil, than about just any competitor. I was sure Cryptic understand this and I was happy for a while...but they doesn't understand, they where just not evolved enough to have considered this aspect...Maybe I am wrong. Maybe I should not spent my time writing here.
But maybe...maybe...it could plant the basic of comon sense about having MANY distincts and independant end games, which lead to a server focused on grouping (and/or soloing) and on nothing else...which would made me extremely happy.
Dreaming is the basic of everything. I can dream on those boards, which I can't on a raiding/PvP game, and dreaming is better than lacking, so I am better here than in a raiding or PvP game.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
hmm that is an iteresting idea having a solo lvl and group lvl
might even be nice to have them be different classes too i mean you might want to play a healer for group play but a different class solo and you would most likely want them on same character because i mean if your waiting to find a party you tend to solo or craft or what ever
so only thing i see would be the problem with the gear the items would have to be sperate even the point where you character curently is would have to be different so really
it would look like you would need to be able to instead of sitting down and logging out sitting down and just going to chacter selection swith to a new char in the solo only area but still have you party character listed as logged on looking for party and currently in solo mode
that way you can play solo and still be able to quickly swith to party character and msg players on the party main site
oh and that even solves other prbolems too ie if you want you character to set up a acution/ ie your character sits down and other players can go and shop from you
this way you just switch to solo world play and still can check on whats sell and talk to players and play the game instead of just walking away from your computer and just wait for stuff to sell
there would need to be a very small delay to log off solo but then normal logoff from party it could be really nice
how ever the solo play would have to be set up way differently and then they could also put in more lineur story line so you can go to solo play and play through some of the story line and lore and be more involoved in it ie you could actually play one of the other heroes in the game and then play through what happens other then being just told
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For everyone that loves forced grouping and social games, I've got the best one out there for ya...
IRC
Oh and its free!
lol that is so ignorant, i don't expect your feeble mind to understand why we like to interact with people when we play games. why don't you go play a console game where you belong?
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
As I understand it, this game is definetly going back to EQ style. Up until very recently i have played EQ2 and have become increasingly frustrated by either new content or by excessive downtimes. I played my character there to maximum level and simply got bored because of the brattish attitudes of a lot of the higher end players, i felt isolated and unable to group with all but a few close 'friends'. I'm very happy that the developers of vanguard have been looking into some of these issues, and creating more of a challenging game for us, I'll be trying it for sure, and i'm certain a lot of current EQ2 players will be right behind me!!
By the way, all I know until now is release before july, anyone got more news on that?
I like grouping wiht my friends to do stuff its fun lowers dowtime etc. BUT there needs to be a medium. I should be able to take a mob on my own without 10 min of downtime, granted it SHOULD NOT BE 15 seconds. forced grouping is one of teh lamest things ever, friends arent on so you're forced into a pickup group that fails to co-operate great that = 1 wasted day of my paid subscription. time to hope for a better day tomorow
O and to that guy who said he hopes for perma death in this game, i hope you realize that even the most hardcore death penalty lovers who think out every action extremely carefully only need to make one single stupid mistake and o great time to start over from step 1. im sure you know this, now t might be me..but......where the hell is the fun in that? O GREAT i got disconnected, something completely outside of my power, o yea i was i the middle of fighting that mob on my max lvl'd char, SWEET IM DEAD! TIME TO START OVER
/sigh sorry dont want this game ruined for me
For everyone that loves forced grouping and social games, I've got the best one out there for ya...
IRC
Oh and its free!
Um why would anyone that doesn't like that stuff be on a site dedicated to games that are desigened to do just that?
Forced grouping is fine as long as it impact on grouping uberness only.
So a soloer can solo to his heart content without improving his grouping level, skill or whatever. A soloer who is soloing is someone who is playing and online, if he doesn't progress group-wise while he solo, all the best. He become the best soloer on the whole server by doing nothing else but soloing, good for him, maybe he will care about raising his grouping aspect now, if not, well see ya later. Most soloers would group.
Same apply on every aspect of the game. See, Brad understand peoples doesn't want PvP to be enforced, why can't he understand peoples doesn't want Raiding, tradeskills or even grouping enforced?
Me personnally, I always enjoy to put my LFG tag and start playing without caring about getting or not a group, if I doesn't get a group, to bad for them, I am playing anyway and having a blast.
The 1 system with a total hierarchy is a doomfall for the next generation MMO, which Vanguard claims to be. Best soloer on the server deserve to be a soloer and have no fear, I am a noob as far as soloing goes. I may rule in the grouping system however, depend on my luck of been recruited.
I remember the madness in old EQ, I was barely log in and didn't talk and group offers where already kicking in. I doesn't expect my game to be that offering for groups, but I expect to PLAY and make fun and this exclude completely raiding, PvP or waiting.
Why I keep writing here? Because all the other MMOs devs elsewhere ain't listening and for some reason I can't explain, I hope that it is possible to get Verant to understand, it is no easy task, but eh, they say it is a risk VS reward concept...and expressing myself with all the trigger happy fanboi is certainly high risk.
See, SoE made the mistake to keep 1 system and dumbing down everything. WoW did even worser on this chapter. 1 system doesn't work, a soloer should lack in everything but freaking rule the solo content better than anyone else. A raider should lack as soon as he is not raiding, but for some reasons, it is hard to accept. Maybe you have the wrong peoples raiding, but real raiders would raid for raid uberness even if it give them nothing else, in fact they would be grateful for cleaning all the lootwhore from the raiding guilds. But again, getting this to be understood fairly is hard...yet...for some..."illogical" reasons, I believe I have more chances to convince Verant...err Sigil, than about just any competitor. I was sure Cryptic understand this and I was happy for a while...but they doesn't understand, they where just not evolved enough to have considered this aspect...Maybe I am wrong. Maybe I should not spent my time writing here.
But maybe...maybe...it could plant the basic of comon sense about having MANY distincts and independant end games, which lead to a server focused on grouping (and/or soloing) and on nothing else...which would made me extremely happy.
Dreaming is the basic of everything. I can dream on those boards, which I can't on a raiding/PvP game, and dreaming is better than lacking, so I am better here than in a raiding or PvP game.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
hmm that is an iteresting idea having a solo lvl and group lvl
might even be nice to have them be different classes too i mean you might want to play a healer for group play but a different class solo and you would most likely want them on same character because i mean if your waiting to find a party you tend to solo or craft or what ever
so only thing i see would be the problem with the gear the items would have to be sperate even the point where you character curently is would have to be different so really
it would look like you would need to be able to instead of sitting down and logging out sitting down and just going to chacter selection swith to a new char in the solo only area but still have you party character listed as logged on looking for party and currently in solo mode
that way you can play solo and still be able to quickly swith to party character and msg players on the party main site
oh and that even solves other prbolems too ie if you want you character to set up a acution/ ie your character sits down and other players can go and shop from you
this way you just switch to solo world play and still can check on whats sell and talk to players and play the game instead of just walking away from your computer and just wait for stuff to sell
there would need to be a very small delay to log off solo but then normal logoff from party it could be really nice
how ever the solo play would have to be set up way differently and then they could also put in more lineur story line so you can go to solo play and play through some of the story line and lore and be more involoved in it ie you could actually play one of the other heroes in the game and then play through what happens other then being just told