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EVE, Make Me Like It.

NakorTheWiseNakorTheWise Member Posts: 20
Ive played EVE for a month and Im hesitating to renew. I started my own corp early and Im sure its dieing now with its CEO.  I just find that everything besides PVP is extremly slow based. While my corp goals clearly move into PVP eventually the mining corp I have now is just boring. I LOVE the freedom offered by EVE but nothing happens. I don't want to make money off mission because its borign and the corp doesnt seem to be any more exciting...I Do love EVE radio though. Can someone tell me what Im missing in this game thats making it not fun, I want to like this game.
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  • DarkentwoDarkentwo Member Posts: 160

    Your first mistake was creating a corp too soon afetr starting playing.

    Second is still being in a corp that has nothing to offer you.

    The remedy is to go to the recruitment forum and find a good solid PvP corp to join, preferably one in a good alliance with lots of wars. You then spend as much time as needed in cheapo ships learning how to kill people before you even think about taking expensive ships to battle.

     I would suggest you try playing a tackler for a while so your skills and wallet can get better.

     And remeber, never do anything in eve that you dont enjoy. Thats the one key thing and thats why people like me have been playing for three years.

  • NakorTheWiseNakorTheWise Member Posts: 20
    But I just wanna be a crazy ass tycoon capitalist, thats what attracted me to teh game in teh first place, but a pirate corp wasnt an option because new ones get owned in corp wars from all advice ive been given.
  • DarkentwoDarkentwo Member Posts: 160

    If you want to be an industrialst sorta charracter, join on the big industrial corps. They will show you the ropes and later on when you're in the know, you can start your own industrial corp.

     And trust me, industry in eve is a form of PvP as well. It just doesnt involve guns thats all.

  • WrayethWrayeth Member Posts: 229



    Originally posted by Darkentwo

    If you want to be an industrialst sorta charracter, join on the big industrial corps. They will show you the ropes and later on when you're in the know, you can start your own industrial corp.
     And trust me, industry in eve is a form of PvP as well. It just doesnt involve guns thats all.



    QFT.

    There are huge industrial powerhouse corps in EVE, some of which even have a near monopoly on certain tech 2 items.  Try applying for member ship in NAGA corporation - they're one of the most extensive industrial corps in EVE.

    -Wrayeth
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  • JhughesyJhughesy Member Posts: 419

    You love the freedom that Eve gives you but nothing happens? Isn't that your own fault then?

    Get involved, find goals and most importantly, lose the sandbox that other MMORPGs inflict upon your mindset.

  • ScarletMoonScarletMoon Member Posts: 28

    u r being lazy ... that's all

    it offers you freedom and you still want it to hold ur hand and point to some orc and order you to atk it and bring back some "watever" ?

     go and find watever suit urself

    ZZZ

  • OsireOsire Member Posts: 33
    If you want to be a big capatilist tycoon man, with a ton of power. You have to start at the bottom chain of things. Start industry (if thats what you meant by capatilist). Get some good friends besides you, join a corp, get up into their ranks, gain alliances, make pos's, make more things, its an endless cycle that can make you fairly well off and powerful. However this does take time. do not think that at the begging you can create a corp and start playing. FOr some reason it isnt like other MMORPG's in that aspect...not sure why....image I am sure you can do it though!
  • Ranma13Ranma13 Member Posts: 747

    EVE is the kind of game that you need to have small, short-time achievable goals in order to enjoy playing the game. If you set some lofty goal such as creating a powerful corporation, it might be months, even years, before you hit that goal. Instead, make goals such as running enough agent missions to use level 2 agents or mining enough minerals to build a cruiser. That'll help keep you motivated to continue playing for months. Also, don't spend too much time playing EVE, it's boring to work 8 hours in a real job and the things you can do in EVE are similar to a real job. I find myself playing 2-3 hours at a time and it's kept me interested for several months now.

  • chaintmchaintm Member UncommonPosts: 953

    haha it's me again, all these threads about "make me like the game" "what makes this game fun" are all the same. Follow the main stream players way of thinking or don't play.

    Here's my simple peice of advice on any game,

    "if your not having fun, don't play it, nothing anyone will say will change that"

     

    "The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"

  • immortumimmortum Member Posts: 18
    image  This has been the most intriguing forum I have visited.  I look forward to trying out EVE in a couple of weeks.
  • NakorTheWiseNakorTheWise Member Posts: 20
    Damn this pisses me off, I want to get into this game so bad but it really is just too slow for me. I love all the ideas so much, this tears me up inside.
  • DraigCochDraigCoch Member Posts: 81



    Originally posted by chaintm

    "if your not having fun, don't play it, nothing anyone will say will change that"



    QFT

     

    I will add to it :-

     

    If you ARE having fun, screw what anyone else thinks image

  • chaintmchaintm Member UncommonPosts: 953

    If you ARE having fun, screw what anyone else thinks image

    no argument there.

    "The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"

  • RagoschRagosch Member Posts: 727



    Originally posted by NakorTheWise
    Damn this pisses me off, I want to get into this game so bad but it really is just too slow for me. I love all the ideas so much, this tears me up inside.


    I really cant understand this argument - I want to get into this game but it is too slow for me - what do you want to express by it?

    Does it mean "I do not have the patience to play EVE"?- Then you are maybe to young for it.

    Does it mean "I takes too long until I have the skills needed to do anything useful"?- Then have a look at your real life. Are you currently doing anything useful even you dont have the skills for playing an important role in real life yet?

    Does it mean "I want to be part of the EVE community, but I do not get the fun factor of EVE"?- To have fun is a feeling, you cant learn to have fun.

     

    Ragosch


     

  • chaintmchaintm Member UncommonPosts: 953



    Originally posted by Ragosch



    Originally posted by NakorTheWise
    Damn this pisses me off, I want to get into this game so bad but it really is just too slow for me. I love all the ideas so much, this tears me up inside.

    I really cant understand this argument - I want to get into this game but it is too slow for me - what do you want to express by it?

    Does it mean "I do not have the patience to play EVE"?- Then you are maybe to young for it.

    Does it mean "I takes too long until I have the skills needed to do anything useful"?- Then have a look at your real life. Are you currently doing anything useful even you dont have the skills for playing an important role in real life yet?

    Does it mean "I want to be part of the EVE community, but I do not get the fun factor of EVE"?- To have fun is a feeling, you cant learn to have fun.

     

    Ragosch


     



    You pretty much said it, its the ease of play, let's be perfectly honest, the interface and the game in general are not user friendly. While I accomplished this part with some ruff bumps, my issue was something else which I will not repeat here as their is a whole thread dedicated to it. However I think what he is saying is just the "getting into the action" with other players. Most want to join the "fun" of that. This title, makes it difficult for new players to do so and no one argues that point. Sure some will side step it, but when u read a final argument from a player of the game, it is... "this game isn't for you" and they (maybe even you) wonder why you don't get the people joining and staying that you do.

    I seen this very remarks awhile ago about population on the servers. While they are decent, there was concern on growth, there is a reason why this isn't happening. Accept it or not, it is fact and not something made up. All the company has to do is really revamp the noob section if you ask me, work on a better interface and just get it more easier to get into.

     

    "The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"

  • fizzle322fizzle322 Member Posts: 723

    [quote]
    You pretty much said it, its the ease of play, let's be perfectly honest, the interface and the game in general are not user friendly. While I accomplished this part with some ruff bumps, my issue was something else which I will not repeat here as their is a whole thread dedicated to it. However I think what he is saying is just the "getting into the action" with other players. Most want to join the "fun" of that. This title, makes it difficult for new players to do so and no one argues that point. Sure some will side step it, but when u read a final argument from a player of the game, it is... "this game isn't for you" and they (maybe even you) wonder why you don't get the people joining and staying that you do.
    I seen this very remarks awhile ago about population on the servers. While they are decent, there was concern on growth, there is a reason why this isn't happening. Accept it or not, it is fact and not something made up. All the company has to do is really revamp the noob section if you ask me, work on a better interface and just get it more easier to get into.
    [/b][/quote]

    You're deluding yourself.

    You think Eve isnt newbie friendly because they don't just hand you 40 million skillpoints to be "equal" to the longtime players and that you need to "catch up" to everybody else to "compete."

    You can be "in the action" in under 2 weeks.

  • DraigCochDraigCoch Member Posts: 81





    .... and they (maybe even you) wonder why you don't get the people joining and staying that you do.
    People do join this game - it has doubled in population in the last few months, and the percentage of those who stay is obviously greater than those that leave. Remarkable considering the lack of advertising the company do. Most people who find the game find it either through blind luck, word of mouth, or from forums.
    I seen this very remarks awhile ago about population on the servers. While they are decent, there was concern on growth, there is a reason why this isn't happening. Accept it or not, it is fact and not something made up. All the company has to do is really revamp the noob section if you ask me, work on a better interface and just get it more easier to get into.
    Again, I don't know where your getting your information from, but the population has done nothing other than increase, sometimes alarmingly, to the stage they now have to buy in new equipment to handle them all. This is being done mid february.
     




    If your trying to imply this game is not newbie friendly, I sort of agree with you. It isn't the easiest game to get into, but it also isn't THAT hard. Let's be honest, if your of average intelligence, it isn't a problem, unless you have the attention span of a 12 year old, overdosed on sherbert. If you are like that, then the overall slower pace of the game will mean you probably won't enjoy it.

    The tutorial really has been revamped a lot, from what it was, and while it could still be improved, I don't think it is bad at all really. It does take a fairly long time to complete it, but it does give you a lot of info that you will need. Overall I would give it 7/10 for the tutorial.

    I guess you also must have missed the fact, this very site has awarded this game many awards? And the fact it is currently teh top rated game overall? Most of those awards are well deserved, imo. I didn't vote, but I would have to debate the choice over best graphics. That really should have gone to EQ2, again just my opinion, and obviously not in the majority of the readers of this site who voted. The graphics in EvE are good, I really like them, but they are not the best of the best. The rest of the awards are well deserved.

    So, I think, if your going to try and trash a game, you should really get your facts a lot closer to the truth before you do so. I don't mind people knocking EvE who don't like it, everyone is entitled to their opinions. I just don't like it when people come to the EvE section of these forums, in particular, try and run the game down, not based on their opinion of actually trying the game for a reasonable amout of time, but spouting utter rubbish and claiming it is "Accept it or not, it is fact and not something made up." when what your saying is just plain wrong and exactly that - made up.

  • chaintmchaintm Member UncommonPosts: 953

    To the first poster: cry on, your complaining on a past thread here. Give it up allready, I am right you are wrong move on.

    To the Seond poster: You are very correct, I was talking about the ease of play (as a new player) and followed by "why is the population not growing larger?" This statment was (if taken out of context) talking about the past before it hit the #1 slot for game of 2005. While I have no argument the game in general can be fun, I am saying the ease of getting into is not. Majority (not minority) have issue with getting into it.

    As far as allot of new players since last month, I would agree. However you are talking free-trials, not hard to get people to try your game, it's hard to get them to stay in it. The numbers will come out soon. Personally I think it has stayed even, but not by the #'s being boasted. Again , the whole point was..

    The starting of the game is not "easy" or "simple" to get into and most vets (most) say "Then this game isn't for you" as a final response. All that points out is the truth about the first comment here was my whole point. So I hope that clears it up for you. As your response is very open and not bashing me personally left and right. I appreciate well written responses such as yours. Pardon my post atm, I just woke up :P first cup of coffee :)

    PS. 58,000  subscribers isn't bad for any game, encluding one that works off of one server. However it's holding steady around that number for sometime, point being it will be sometime before we notice a differance since the 2005 award announcment. Thou it dosn't come close to many other morphs out there, heck planetside still holds 54,000 members , but from the complaints, you would think more like 10,000. This chart is a bit old a new one is due out soon, however again I didn't come to some false information. I research like many, but my comments come from the actual website of EVE when I was a subscriber. Big issues I remember.. Lag, Skills, population.  If you would like to see this info for yourself on numbers, check out this.. http://www.mmogchart.com/  best info in the industry and the industry looks to this info as well.

    This chart as you will see will show the influx of the player base in Eve, from up to down as many , but it usually right at the same number when it goes up. When anyone analizes this more closly, you can only come to one conclusion as I described above. It is holding steady, but not climbing in subscribers, because again, the starting of this game is not user friendly, nor does the average new subscriber find it fun after a given time. Again and again, all they need to do, is work on a better way of introducing a player to the game and maybe if the community was a bit nicer, but that's for a new topic all togather.

     

    "The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"

  • WrayethWrayeth Member Posts: 229

    Your statement that the number of EVE subscriptions is not increasing and is hovering at around 58,000 is not correct.  The devs have stated that the number of EVE acounts is currently around 100,000, and only 20,000 of them are trial accounts.  The current number of active accounts is roughly 80,000 per several dev posts on the EVE forums.

    -Wrayeth
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  • MinscMinsc Member UncommonPosts: 1,353

    [quote]Originally posted by chaintm
    [b]To the first poster: cry on, your complaining on a past thread here. Give it up allready, I am right you are wrong move on.
    To the Seond poster: You are very correct, I was talking about the ease of play (as a new player) and followed by "why is the population not growing larger?" This statment was (if taken out of context) talking about the past before it hit the #1 slot for game of 2005. While I have no argument the game in general can be fun, I am saying the ease of getting into is not. Majority (not minority) have issue with getting into it.
    As far as allot of new players since last month, I would agree. However you are talking free-trials, not hard to get people to try your game, it's hard to get them to stay in it. The numbers will come out soon. Personally I think it has stayed even, but not by the #'s being boasted. Again , the whole point was..
    The starting of the game is not "easy" or "simple" to get into and most vets (most) say "Then this game isn't for you" as a final response. All that points out is the truth about the first comment here was my whole point. So I hope that clears it up for you. As your response is very open and not bashing me personally left and right. I appreciate well written responses such as yours. Pardon my post atm, I just woke up :P first cup of coffee :)
    PS. 58,000 subscribers isn't bad for any game, encluding one that works off of one server. However it's holding steady around that number for sometime, point being it will be sometime before we notice a differance since the 2005 award announcment. Thou it dosn't come close to many other morphs out there, heck planetside still holds 54,000 members , but from the complaints, you would think more like 10,000. This chart is a bit old a new one is due out soon, however again I didn't come to some false information. I research like many, but my comments come from the actual website of EVE when I was a subscriber. Big issues I remember.. Lag, Skills, population. If you would like to see this info for yourself on numbers, check out this.. [url=http://www.mmogchart.com/] best info in the industry and the industry looks to this info as well.
    This chart as you will see will show the influx of the player base in Eve, from up to down as many , but it usually right at the same number when it goes up. When anyone analizes this more closly, you can only come to one conclusion as I described above. It is holding steady, but not climbing in subscribers, because again, the starting of this game is not user friendly, nor does the average new subscriber find it fun after a given time. Again and again, all they need to do, is work on a better way of introducing a player to the game and maybe if the community was a bit nicer, but that's for a new topic all togather.
    [/b][/quote]

    That that chart is out of date? Those numbers are from JUNE 2005. EVE has gone from 54,000 PAYING subscribers to 85,000 PAYING subscribers 7-8 Months. With trial players that number is up to about 100,000. For an MMO that growth is phenominal. Also the fact that the game has had almost no advertising and is still growing like crazy just backs up the fact that it is starting to gain momentum. Some people enjoy the freedom EVE offers and are self-motivated and smart enough to be successful in it, others just want to be lead by the nose from one place to another to play wack-a-mole ad nauseum. It's a long term game and a game where group co-ordination and teamwork are necessary to achieve the highest level aspects of the game. You can grind up all you want and have enough isk that you can buy anything in the game 10x over, but a group working together towards the same goal will always get there quicker and easier. I'm not going to continue the argument about skill-training here as there's already another thread on that topic but honestly you need to drop the whole "I'm right you are wrong" crap. It is YOUR opinion, nothing more, you can bring up as many points supporting your stand as I can mine, but it still remains your opinion and nothing else.

  • chaintmchaintm Member UncommonPosts: 953



    Originally posted by Wrayeth

    Your statement that the number of EVE subscriptions is not increasing and is hovering at around 58,000 is not correct.  The devs have stated that the number of EVE acounts is currently around 100,000, and only 20,000 of them are trial accounts.  The current number of active accounts is roughly 80,000 per several dev posts on the EVE forums.




    When the actual numbers come out from this report from an un-biast source then I will beleive the numbers. The link provided above is what I go by as well as the industry at large. There will be an updated report soon, but as of now it stands to be tested against. This report is again what the industry goes by and not what you , I, or a companies own numbers might suggest. I don't know a company out there who's posted projections were close to their actual numbers. However since this reporting has been done, more companies are conforming to the truth in the ethics of reporting. But again, I will wait as the industry does to see the true numbers. Argue all you want, but there is a reason why this report is trusted.


     That that chart is out of date? Those numbers are from JUNE 2005. EVE has gone from 54,000 PAYING subscribers to 85,000 PAYING subscribers 7-8 Months. With trial players that number is up to about 100,000. For an MMO that growth is phenominal. Also the fact that the game has had almost no advertising and is still growing like crazy just backs up the fact that it is starting to gain momentum. Some people enjoy the freedom EVE offers and are self-motivated and smart enough to be successful in it


    wow talk about defensive, the game does have adverstiment, geez, the chart shows up and down , not up and up :P how do you read a chart? and only smart people play eve? yeah I see that by your stemement. well played. image charts show potentials, percentages, and known numbers, some show overall aspects comapired to other online games, others show realtive information to the trends..etc the current given numbers in the report are the final totals. See below... ps. actually read what you see, don't just look at pretty colors.

    Eve Online  (Accuracy Rating: A)<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

    I now have some very reliable numbers for Eve Online, which I hope to keep updated on a monthly basis.  As of May 2005, Eve has nearly 58,000 subscribers.

    "The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"

  • WrayethWrayeth Member Posts: 229



    Originally posted by chaintm


    When the actual numbers come out from this report from an un-biast source then I will beleive the numbers. The link provided above is what I go by as well as the industry at large. There will be an updated report soon, but as of now it stands to be tested against. This report is again what the industry goes by and not what you , I, or a companies own numbers might suggest. I don't know a company out there who's posted projections were close to their actual numbers. However since this reporting has been done, more companies are conforming to the truth in the ethics of reporting. But again, I will wait as the industry does to see the true numbers. Argue all you want, but there is a reason why this report is trusted.

    I see you're used to dealing with companies such as Sony Online Entertainment who mislead and lie to their customers.  Believe me when I tell you that CCP is a beast of a different stripe - if they make a statement, you can be sure that it's true to the best of their knowledge.  In this instance, seeing as how Oveur is the senior producer and has access to information on subscriber numbers, you can treat anything he posts regarding the subscription count as gospel.


    -Wrayeth
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  • KienKien Member Posts: 520

    The title of this thread ("Eve, make me like it") attracted my interest... as a new Eve player, I've found myself thinking along similar lines.


    I like a lot of what Eve has done. It's certainly very different from the other MMO*s I've tried. For one thing, it's really more of a sim than an RPG. I know a lot of thought went into the development of the game, and I appreciate that. I submitted one petition and got a quick and helpful reply, which was good. The volunteers that monitor the newbie channel and patiently answer questions are awesome. The graphics are nice.


    The problem I have with Eve is I just don't have fun playing it. I want to have fun, but I can't find anything interesting to do. I think the real problem is that I haven't run across anything I regard as a challenge. Mining isn't a challenge. Courier missions aren't a challenge. Buying low and selling high isn't a challenge. The security missions are ok a first, but when you've done one security mission you've done them all, and they certainly aren't a challenge (disclaimer: my character was designed to be a fighter, not a trader).


    I haven't joined a corporation yet, although I plan to do that in the future. I'll admit that I'm skeptical that joining a corp will flip the fun switch, but we'll see.

  • WrayethWrayeth Member Posts: 229



    Originally posted by Kien The problem I have with Eve is I just don't have fun playing it. I want to have fun, but I can't find anything interesting to do. I think the real problem is that I haven't run across anything I regard as a challenge. Mining isn't a challenge. Courier missions aren't a challenge. Buying low and selling high isn't a challenge.


    I haven't joined a corporation yet, although I plan to do that in the future. I'll admit that I'm skeptical that joining a corp will flip the fun switch, but we'll see.



    EVE's truly a PvP game.  The PvE elements are there primarily to support the PvP aspects, IIRC.  Competing with other players, whether in combat or in the market, and also controlling territory and building vast military/financial/political networks and empires are what EVE is all about.

    Once you join a corporation, you'll find that your combined resources will give you greater upward mobility in this regard, and open up doors that were previously closed.  Just be aware that more doors are open in some corporations than others (not all corps have the same focus).

    -Wrayeth
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  • KnallkoppKnallkopp Member Posts: 38


    Originally posted by Darkentwo
    Your first mistake was creating a corp too soon afetr starting playing.
    Second is still being in a corp that has nothing to offer you.
    The remedy is to go to the recruitment forum and find a good solid PvP corp to join, preferably one in a good alliance with lots of wars. You then spend as much time as needed in cheapo ships learning how to kill people before you even think about taking expensive ships to battle.
    I would suggest you try playing a tackler for a while so your skills and wallet can get better.
    And remeber, never do anything in eve that you dont enjoy. Thats the one key thing and thats why people like me have been playing for three years.

    3 years?
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    nice ::::19:: - am i allowed to ask how many skillpoints you have at your current state on your main char?

    Thx ::::28::

    Another EvE addict

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