Considering that Lucas and his team of lawyers just last year did a big sweep on freely distributed MODs for other games that used SW themes, demanding that they immediately stop the distribution and making of them, I wouldn't put anything past him.
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Originally posted by Ch3cksix I find El's reply espically funny since his sig has two Jedi fighting in it. No El, your not in danger of being sued. ahahahah
My sig has graphics in it made public by Lucasarts as part of the hype for EPIII. It's not a game that they currently run for profit. By launching his own instance of SWG this person would be directly infringing on LucasArts IP.
You guys slay me. Do you even READ The law before you try to debate it?
Those graphics were not released as intended for your signature. They are not public domain. That is film footage owned by Lucas Arts not for distribution in public or private by you. Ever read those FBI warnings before a DvD feature starts? Hummm? No didn't think so. You are bending the rules by using them in your signature AND could be liable.
But lets be real. No one is going to bother you. Just as no one would bother you if you made a Starwars game FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR FRIENDS...
Dude, you're such a forum monkey. You'll debate anything, I swear!
Originally posted by Ch3cksix I find El's reply espically funny since his sig has two Jedi fighting in it. No El, your not in danger of being sued. ahahahah
My sig has graphics in it made public by Lucasarts as part of the hype for EPIII. It's not a game that they currently run for profit. By launching his own instance of SWG this person would be directly infringing on LucasArts IP.
You guys slay me. Do you even READ The law before you try to debate it?
Those graphics were not released as intended for your signature. They are not public domain. That is film footage owned by Lucas Arts not for distribution in public or private by you. Ever read those FBI warnings before a DvD feature starts? Hummm? No didn't think so. You are bending the rules by using them in your signature AND could be liable.
But lets be real. No one is going to bother you. Just as no one would bother you if you made a Starwars game FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR FRIENDS...
Dude, you're such a forum monkey. You'll debate anything, I swear!
I'm not the one trying to compare a animated GIF downloaded from the official SWG site for use by SWG Fan Site Web Admins (which I am) file to a movie clip (which it's not). I'm also not the one trying to defend someone who is trying to pirate the game server or IP of a company
I agree he CAN do it but I also state that LucasArts most assuredly CAN sue him for a ton of liscence infringements, not to mention the IP rights they own to anything "Star Wars". If he does it and LucasArts catches wind of it I can guarantee they'll have an army of lawyers to the nearest courthouse post-haste.
You guys just make no sense. At least when I choose to debate something I check the facts first.
And sure I'm a forum monkey What else am I supposed to do when stuck on 2-3 hour conference calls
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Originally posted by Ch3cksix I find El's reply espically funny since his sig has two Jedi fighting in it. No El, your not in danger of being sued. ahahahah
My sig has graphics in it made public by Lucasarts as part of the hype for EPIII. It's not a game that they currently run for profit. By launching his own instance of SWG this person would be directly infringing on LucasArts IP.
You guys slay me. Do you even READ The law before you try to debate it?
Those graphics were not released as intended for your signature. They are not public domain. That is film footage owned by Lucas Arts not for distribution in public or private by you. Ever read those FBI warnings before a DvD feature starts? Hummm? No didn't think so. You are bending the rules by using them in your signature AND could be liable.
But lets be real. No one is going to bother you. Just as no one would bother you if you made a Starwars game FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR FRIENDS...
Dude, you're such a forum monkey. You'll debate anything, I swear!
I'm not the one trying to compare a animated GIF downloaded from the official SWG site for use by SWG Fan Site Web Admins (which I am) file to a movie clip (which it's not). I'm also not the one trying to defend someone who is trying to pirate the game server or IP of a company
I agree he CAN do it but I also state that LucasArts most assuredly CAN sue him for a ton of liscence infringements, not to mention the IP rights they own to anything "Star Wars". If he does it and LucasArts catches wind of it I can guarantee they'll have an army of lawyers to the nearest courthouse post-haste.
You guys just make no sense. At least when I choose to debate something I check the facts first.
And sure I'm a forum monkey What else am I supposed to do when stuck on 2-3 hour conference calls
Bah! You're like talking to my eight year old. You know everyting. Good luck with that!
Originally posted by Ch3cksix This may clear things up for most people...Except for El of couse because he knows everything http://en.wikipedia.org/siki/Fair_use
As has been stated here by many others: Resorting to insults is the sign of a lack of intellect.
The basic gist of the "Fair Use" doctrine is this:
the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
the nature of the copyrighted work;
the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work
(you started this, not me)
He is not using it for "nonprofit educational purposes", he is using it for "private use". There's a world of difference. And, if he allows OTHERS to use it he's not even in that ballpark and is directly taking potential customers away from LEC.
Nature of the copyrighted work: Software Artwork Story (writing) and Music, subject to software piracy and Intellectual Property law, in addition to typical Copyrite.
Ammount and Substantiality of the "portion" used in related to the copyrighted work as a whole: He wants to copy the entire game. Duh.
The effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work: This is the only area he has a pure win in: His impact, if he keeps it for his SOLE use is minimal, if at all. However, if he allows OTHERS to use the site he crosses the line into direct competition with the REAL product.
Care to discuss this further? I am glad you finally bothered to look it up. But I find it odd that you aren't reading the meaning behind the fair use laws but merely trying to bend them to fit your own arguement. The Fair use law hasn't protected MODDERS for other games from LEC in court. Why would it protect a person from standing up a Pirated SWG server of their own?
PS: Next time post the right link. Fortunately since I work in the IT industry I have a bookmark to that page already It's an area my company is VERY careful about.
Copyright law only effects published works. I can do anything I want with Starwars characters if I don't publish the work. If this guy can actually write a starwars game and not publish it there is NO BASIS for copyright infringement.
Of course if you had read more than one paragraph of the link I provide you'd see that.
How much of someone elses work can I use without getting permission?
Under most national copyright laws, it is permissible to use limited portions of a work, including quotes, for purposes such as news reporting and private personal use. For further information see the national legislation available in the Collection of Laws for Electronic Access (CLEA).
Originally posted by Ch3cksix Here is another good link:
My fav-or-ite question: How much of someone elses work can I use without getting permission? Under most national copyright laws, it is permissible to use limited portions of a work, including quotes, for purposes such as news reporting and private personal use. For further information see the national legislation available in the Collection of Laws for Electronic Access (CLEA).
"it is permissible to use limited portions of a work"
He wants to use the whole thing. End of story.
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Considering that Lucas and his team of lawyers just last year did a big sweep on freely distributed MODs for other games that used SW themes, demanding that they immediately stop the distribution and making of them, I wouldn't put anything past him.
"Death is a dignitary who when he comes announced is to be received
with formal manifestations of respect, even by those most familiar with him."
- Ambrose Gwinnett Bierce
My sig has graphics in it made public by Lucasarts as part of the hype for EPIII. It's not a game that they currently run for profit. By launching his own instance of SWG this person would be directly infringing on LucasArts IP.
You guys slay me. Do you even READ The law before you try to debate it?
Those graphics were not released as intended for your signature. They are not public domain. That is film footage owned by Lucas Arts not for distribution in public or private by you. Ever read those FBI warnings before a DvD feature starts? Hummm? No didn't think so. You are bending the rules by using them in your signature AND could be liable.
But lets be real. No one is going to bother you. Just as no one would bother you if you made a Starwars game FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR FRIENDS...
Dude, you're such a forum monkey. You'll debate anything, I swear!
Ch3cksix
My sig has graphics in it made public by Lucasarts as part of the hype for EPIII. It's not a game that they currently run for profit. By launching his own instance of SWG this person would be directly infringing on LucasArts IP.
You guys slay me. Do you even READ The law before you try to debate it?
Those graphics were not released as intended for your signature. They are not public domain. That is film footage owned by Lucas Arts not for distribution in public or private by you. Ever read those FBI warnings before a DvD feature starts? Hummm? No didn't think so. You are bending the rules by using them in your signature AND could be liable.
But lets be real. No one is going to bother you. Just as no one would bother you if you made a Starwars game FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR FRIENDS...
Dude, you're such a forum monkey. You'll debate anything, I swear!
I'm not the one trying to compare a animated GIF downloaded from the official SWG site for use by SWG Fan Site Web Admins (which I am) file to a movie clip (which it's not). I'm also not the one trying to defend someone who is trying to pirate the game server or IP of a company
I agree he CAN do it but I also state that LucasArts most assuredly CAN sue him for a ton of liscence infringements, not to mention the IP rights they own to anything "Star Wars". If he does it and LucasArts catches wind of it I can guarantee they'll have an army of lawyers to the nearest courthouse post-haste.
You guys just make no sense. At least when I choose to debate something I check the facts first.
And sure I'm a forum monkey
What else am I supposed to do when stuck on 2-3 hour conference calls 
Currently Playing: Dungeons and Dragons Online.
Sig image Pending
Still in: A couple Betas
My sig has graphics in it made public by Lucasarts as part of the hype for EPIII. It's not a game that they currently run for profit. By launching his own instance of SWG this person would be directly infringing on LucasArts IP.
You guys slay me. Do you even READ The law before you try to debate it?
Those graphics were not released as intended for your signature. They are not public domain. That is film footage owned by Lucas Arts not for distribution in public or private by you. Ever read those FBI warnings before a DvD feature starts? Hummm? No didn't think so. You are bending the rules by using them in your signature AND could be liable.
But lets be real. No one is going to bother you. Just as no one would bother you if you made a Starwars game FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR FRIENDS...
Dude, you're such a forum monkey. You'll debate anything, I swear!
I'm not the one trying to compare a animated GIF downloaded from the official SWG site for use by SWG Fan Site Web Admins (which I am) file to a movie clip (which it's not). I'm also not the one trying to defend someone who is trying to pirate the game server or IP of a company
I agree he CAN do it but I also state that LucasArts most assuredly CAN sue him for a ton of liscence infringements, not to mention the IP rights they own to anything "Star Wars". If he does it and LucasArts catches wind of it I can guarantee they'll have an army of lawyers to the nearest courthouse post-haste.
You guys just make no sense. At least when I choose to debate something I check the facts first.
And sure I'm a forum monkey
What else am I supposed to do when stuck on 2-3 hour conference calls 
Bah! You're like talking to my eight year old. You know everyting. Good luck with that!
Ch3cksix
This may clear things up for most people...Except for El of couse because he knows everything
http://en.wikipedia.org/siki/Fair_use
Ch3cksix
As has been stated here by many others: Resorting to insults is the sign of a lack of intellect.
The basic gist of the "Fair Use" doctrine is this:
(you started this, not me)
Care to discuss this further? I am glad you finally bothered to look it up. But I find it odd that you aren't reading the meaning behind the fair use laws but merely trying to bend them to fit your own arguement. The Fair use law hasn't protected MODDERS for other games from LEC in court. Why would it protect a person from standing up a Pirated SWG server of their own?
PS: Next time post the right link. Fortunately since I work in the IT industry I have a bookmark to that page already
It's an area my company is VERY careful about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Use
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OH I JUST CANT STAND IT...
Copyright law only effects published works. I can do anything I want with Starwars characters if I don't publish the work. If this guy can actually write a starwars game and not publish it there is NO BASIS for copyright infringement.
Of course if you had read more than one paragraph of the link I provide you'd see that.
Ch3cksix
Here is another good link:
http://www.wipo.int/copyright/en/faq/faqs.htm
My fav-or-ite question:
How much of someone elses work can I use without getting permission?
Under most national copyright laws, it is permissible to use limited portions of a work, including quotes, for purposes such as news reporting and private personal use. For further information see the national legislation available in the Collection of Laws for Electronic Access (CLEA).
Ch3cksix
"it is permissible to use limited portions of a work"
He wants to use the whole thing. End of story.
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