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Not a very good game for new players.
brihtwulf
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Well, I've posted a few of my concerns about this game on the forums in the last few weeks, and there doesn't seem to be much in the way of good arguements that can save this game from a new players perspective. My experience with the game is that it looks nice, and the players are friendly. But that's where the positive qualities end for me. The game is full of people interested in nothing more than the fastest grind possible to the end game (now before you go off saying how every game has people wanting to get to the end-game and that's the point. You know who you are...), leaving no actual gameplay or fun left to be had.
The trend is to spend all 50 levels in Task Dungeons and neglect the rest of the game. It's the quickest way to level, but also the most boring. No one goes out and explores, there are no real quests to be had, and people will only group with you if you are doing those TDs as well (that is if they are not getting power-levelled). There is nothing to keep a new player interested in the game because no one cares about playing. They just use the same "rinse and repeat" pattern over and over again until they are level 50, which seems to be where the real game starts.
Now, while this game may be excellent for the veteran players who were around for the ancient days before people quit playing, it's just tedious and boring for a new players to go through. The only thing you can hope for is to join a guild where you're lucky enough to get power-levelled yourself if you can even stand the boredom of that. So, I wish all the veterans of DAoC good luck, but I have cancelled my subscription and I don't think other new players should waste their time on this game. Luckily there is a free trial, so hopefully people can understand the way things work before commiting themselves to the $40 of the Epic Edition.
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Not everyone's experience will be the same. So I would suggest it is arrogant to assume that your perspective is correct. You are only one of many new players. Many of those new players have posted on your thread disagreeing with you. At the same time there are many new players who agree with you.
Yet, many of your alligations are without merit. Plenty of people level without TD. There are a huge amount of quests. I see people grouping outside of TD.
As for people "exploring" how many times have you explored the area you live in? Do you do it on a daily basis? Given the choice between sitting inside and playing a game or looking at the same store for the thousandth time, what do you do? The issue with exploration has to do with time. If you want people to group with that go 'hmm lets go see what is over that hill' you are not going to find many of them because of the simple reason people have already been there.
That is not to say that people do not go to certain areas. Of course they go there to do a quest or hunt. But people simply exploring is pointless because you have already been there. You might not have, but 95% of the player base has. I have seen many compliants in threads or in games that are more than 2+ years old that have your exact same complaint. There is no one to go exploring a certain zone or to group with.
I would suggest that given what you want from your other threads, the only game that will make you happy is a game that is recent. It is not that those games are better for new players, nor just better games in general. But, if what you want is a huge population that is your level that has no idea where anything is, and is willing to simply go exploring, then you are going to want a almost brand new game.
I just started Daoc about 3 weeks ago and I been having a blast, I brought a few friends from SWG into the game as well and they love it to. The td's is a fast way to level but I spent alot of time roaming aroung seeing what is what and I honestly think with a few exceptions that a game is what u make of it. I made 5 toons so far and have easily got them to 15+ in level without any td's, I just got that expansion a few days ago. I cant see how its a bad game for a new player, I found a realy nice organized guild and so far I see tons of stuff to to ingame.
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I started playing on one of the brand spanky new Altlantis free servers right after they launchd them, and I found that there were a ton of newbies and pickup groups in the starter areas. And mostly they were for kill task, grinding on random mobs, and teaming on random quests and TDs. Maybe the influx of newbies has dwindled since then, if so I can imagine that it might be hard to get PvE pickup groups. Also, if you started on one of the regular servers, very few of the players would be any other than vets.
I do know that vets tend to solo kill tasks, catacombs quests, TDs, and IDs to level as quickly as possible. That's certainly what I did. I don't see that as much of a problem because I greatlly enjoy a solo PVE experience. When I felt like interacting with my fellow humans I'd usually head to a BG. You are pretty much forced to team up there or you will be gank bait. And if you use the newbie guid chat you can get pickup groups and meet peaple, if that's your bag.
If you are the type that enjoys EQ1 or FFXI style forced grouping, I can see where the relative independance of characters in the low level game wouldn't suit your tastes. But personally I have a blast with the low level game.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
I play LOTS of alts... and even recently have periodically scrubbed my toons on lamorak to try various realms out (just switched from hib to mid on lamo last night in fact) so I can try different ideas/whatever. Matter of fact I play alts so much that it may be several months before I get a toon to 50 on any servers (other than the 50's I already have and no longer play on several 'normal' servers). As such I play the low end game a *lot* and I couldn't dissagree with the OP more. There are TONS of low level groups out there. I get invited to groups all the time, even when I'm not looking. When I'm actively looking for a group I can find one very quickly.
As far as finding groups that aren't doing TD's? Do a /who <startlevel> <endlevel> and you'll see people out and about in the world around your level. I find folks ALL THE TIME that way to go do stuff other than TD's. If all you do is run around with your group finder flag on and never actively LOOK for people to group with then yeah, you'll only get invites from TD groups most likely, because yes... those ARE The most popular way to level. I don't personally do them very often but occasionally I do one with a group if I only have 30 minutes or so to play. It's nice to be able to hop on, join a group, hit a dungeon and hop back off. But for the most part I do quests and group with people in catacombs areas. Especially the various special dungeons in Catacombs. They're very interesting, great fun and just neat to go to because I've never been to them before.
I have never been in a situation where I couldn't find a group. Because I take the time to find them. And if I can't find a group I make my own by inviting people to it.
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That is what my girlfriend does. She will hear a bunch of people in /as asking for a group and they will do it more than once. So she tells them that they could group together. It is like the thought of starting a group and not just joining one never occured to them.
That is what my girlfriend does. She will hear a bunch of people in /as asking for a group and they will do it more than once. So she tells them that they could group together. It is like the thought of starting a group and not just joining one never occured to them.
I think some people are shy. Or maybe they think they might have to be the group leader if they start it. I personally hate being group leader. I don't like the abuse. hehe.
I've heard it suggested here before, but I think the meeting stones idea is a good one. That way a group queue could be started. It would be good for raids, ML's, artifacts, or whatever. I think it would work better than the LFG tool they have. I've used it a lot with no results.
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It all seems so stupid
It makes me want to give up
But why should I give up
When it all seems so stupid
Well I know when I was playing a few months ago it was dead easy to get pickup groups for pretty much whatever you felt like, but I was trying to giv the OP the beneifit of doubt.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.