It's not that i dont belive that SOE/Sony will port a mmo onto the PS3 i do and it would be great to get a mmo on a console i just dont think it would be a great idea to port any of the games it has too a PS3 but if SOE and blizzard got together and ported wow to the PS3 that would sell (as long as any changes made to the game were only done to the new PS3 servers)
tbh SOE only have one mmo under devlopment (DC commics) and the rest are just old and unpopular with dated graphics and bad reputations of buggs on every corner
besides if SOE ported SWG to its PS3 i think as its a sony console and a sony game it would have a negitive effect on sales of the console. For me they could do it, they would be nothing more funny in my mind than the millions spent on the devlopment of the PS3 go to see it go down the drain i hope everyone buys the console and never buys a game.
Originally posted by Arvad This is certainly something interesting to speculate about. Best estimates are that the PS3 may not make it's way to the U.S. in any significant numbers until 2007 and may be very expensive ( in the $700.00 range). MMORPGs for the new generation of consoles is not unreasonable with their capabilities in storage, graphics, and input devices. Microsoft's Marvel MMORPG will be for the Xbox 360 so there is already some movement in that direction. Besides Sony's issues with the PS3 itself it also has no service comparable to Xbox Live for online gaming. Wait, you don't think? No! Not SOE! Anyway, a SWG 2 for the PS3 will be a long way off and they will have a hard time competing with Microsoft. Have you considered that Microsoft may be gunning for Sony? Not only do you have the Xbox 360 vs PS3 but there is also the Marvel MMORPG vs the DC MMORPG. Come to think of it Microsoft is the financial backer of Vangaurd, is taking on Everquest also in their plans?
Do you know if this Marvel MMO is being developed soley for the XBOX 360 ? Im concerned future MMO's might lock out the PC world
I have given this lots of thought and come to the crazy conclusion that we could be near the end of both PC's and consoles (mainly consoles) as we know it as consoles are more and more like PC's and becoming just as expensive so with LCD and plasma tv's really taking off ATM and windows media pc/tv combo's becoming more affordable the way we live our homelife will change how mass broadband cheep combo PC's/TV media centers then who will need expensive consoles
i think what will happen is all in one units PC, TV media gamestations after that who is then going to $700 on a console just to only be able to play the manufactures games on it.
Originally posted by Shayde I'm sure they're kicking around the Xbox2 version if the PS3 doesn't ship soon.And quite frankly, this may be the only way to "save" the game.
Yeah i would have to agree with that . Its not unheard of anyway , FF and EQOA come to mind ..
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WoW PSP3 SWG , SOE has been denying this all along and now its coming true (maybe).
Another SOE LIE proven out ,and it will fail. SOE reputation is worse then ever and I do not see that taking the keyboard away from the players will help except that they can not post here or on their forums without one ( OOOH , that might be the target Audience then - Morons without keyboards for the obvious reasons WTG SOE!)
WoW PSP3 SWG , SOE has been denying this all along and now its coming true (maybe).
Another SOE LIE proven out ,and it will fail. SOE reputation is worse then every and I do not see that taking the keyboard away from the players will help except that they can not post here or on their forums without one ( OOOH , that might be the target Audience then - Morons without keyboards for the obvious reasons WTG SOE!)
I can see a SWG 2 for the PS3 but I have a hard time seeing SOE doing the development work.
I would see this more likely coming out of LA themselves (or a team contracted by LA) than SOE. The multicore cell processor used in the PS3 is complex to develop for and I doubt SOE has the staff for an undertaking like that. I could see SOE hosting the online service for it however.
Originally posted by Arvad I can see a SWG 2 for the PS3 but I have a hard time seeing SOE doing the development work. I would see this more likely coming out of LA themselves (or a team contracted by LA) than SOE. The multicore cell processor used in the PS3 is complex to develop for and I doubt SOE has the staff for an undertaking like that.
SOE already has at least one PS3 title in development. It was confirmed by a SOE employee who wrote an article about PS3 development and how the PS3 games aren't very impressive at the moment - the guy got fired for it. I can't remember the name but it was a few weeks ago.
Originally posted by Arvad I can see a SWG 2 for the PS3 but I have a hard time seeing SOE doing the development work. I would see this more likely coming out of LA themselves (or a team contracted by LA) than SOE. The multicore cell processor used in the PS3 is complex to develop for and I doubt SOE has the staff for an undertaking like that. I could see SOE hosting the online service for it however.
Neither SOE or LA will develope a "new " SWG game for the PS3. It would be stupid why reinvent the wheel? ... besides ... remember Nancy said they wanted to reach a broader younger customer??? SWG was taken from a great MMO game and turned onto a console game with the NGE. And all of the existing customers were already in place to test it and work out the bugs before SP3 hit the stores. I totally believe that the sole purpose of the NGE was to turn SWG into a game that will be included in the PS3. SOE and LA planned a long time ago to do this and to hell with us Vets, like me, who spent $1,100.00 with them over 2 accounts.
Hardware (and software for that matter) is ALWAYS backwards compatable. Just cuz it has a multicore processor doesn't mean SWG in it's present state won't run.
I think it is time we started flaming the PS3 where ever we can write a review. Maybe the next MMO company will think twice about the repercussions if they start thinking about pushing out total revamps and changing the core of a game they already sold to their customers 1 1/2 - 2 years earlier?
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Some of you probably already forgot, but I predicted this would happen not too long ago (here at MMORPG).
Basically, here's what I said:
FACT: We know that SOE *did* have plans to port SWG to consol. This was told to us by the "NGE DEEPTHROAT" at the same time he informed us about the NGE.
FACT: Shortly after the NGE's abysmal release, those plans were put on hold indefinetly. This was also told to us by the nge deepthroat.
FACT: It should be clear to everyone that SWG isn't shutting down. Not today, not tomorrow and not until SWG runs its original intended life-span of 5+ years.
Based on what we know to be fact, here's what any clear thinking person will now surmise:
- SOE has reinstated the plans to bring SWG to consol.
- The fact that there hasn't been any server consolidations means SOE is still expecting an influx of new players, PS3 players to be exact.
- If you haven't noticed, the devs are mostly working on the rest of the legacy quest line. Which will be released in installments over the next few months. It is being fast-tracked for the PS3 launch (fourth quarter this year).
- And finally, ask yourself _this_ question: What does Sony have to LOSE by releasing this game on consol? At this point, NOTHING. In fact, from Sony's perspective, they lose-out if they DON'T port to consol. Half the work is done (visa-ve NGE), so why not? The PS3 will have an extra title at launch (which always looks good), and SOE will grab some new players at christmas time next year (always good).
- In various interviews, both SMed and Raph have been quoted as saying that the next step is "integration". By that he means PC players with consol players... and someday even handhelds/cellphones.
SWG is coming to Playstation 3, you can bet your life on it.
Originally posted by SofaKing2000 Slapme7times: If you remember the battle of Beta vrs Vhs.... you do know that Beta was better right? Vhs won because company's like Sony made it their standard product. Beta was far superior in quality to Vhs. I fear this might happen again with this damn blu crap.
Actually, no.
SONY created and owned Beta. It was the better format. They decided that SONY would make ALL the Betamax players and have a monopoly on the home video market.
Along comes VHS, a lesser format. How do they compete? They give the specs to other companies to all make players. More players = cheaper prices = everyone has a VHS.
Because Sony wanted to corner the market, they lost the market. That's how Blu-ray and HDDVD will play out. When has Sony learned from their mistakes?
P.S... as far as "keyboardless" goes for the PS3.. you DO know they are selling keyboards for it, right?
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Originally posted by MeFartsSmell Hey that would be great to have SWG or SWG2 on PS3, about time to bring MMO to the PS3 and 360.
You are definitely in the minority opinion here. Most folks do NOT want to see their MMO's ported to console, it spells the demise of PC gaming if successful
Well if the rumours are true and the PS3 will fully support a keyboard and mouse as control options for games, and the console is as good as it is hyped up to be then PC gaming will be in trouble in particular the FPS market. (Provided they make any decent games but thats another issue.)
However due to the nature of MMO's i doubt we will see any pc games ported to consoles due to patches being released every other month to fix things and i doubt the consoles could cope with this.
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It is nearly inevitable that we will see major MMORPG franchises appearing on consoles in the coming generation. The PS3 will have a built in hard drive, and the X-box 360 comes with an external hardrive unless you're a complete dingbat and buy the "core" package (save 100$ just to have to turn around and spend $50 on a memory card that completley sucks compared to a HD...yeah .that's a good deal . . .).
FFXI is being beta tested for the X-box 360, it will launch in a month or so. It's one of the most popular MMORPGs, with slightly more subscribers than any single SOE product. No surprise there, it launched on the PC and PS2 after all.
Microsoft is reportedly prepping the Marvel MMORPG for the 360.
From the opposite direction, games with many similariteis to MMORPGS are coming out for consoles in the near future. Monster Hunter is being prepped for the PSP, and Phatasy Star Evolution is coming to the PS2 in the fall ( a direct sequeal ...at last..to PSO!).
Now to enter the realm of speculation . . .
EQOA is being kept alive for some reason. The game has to be down in the neighbohood of 10K subscribers. The only reason that I can see for SOE to not pull the plug is that it' the only console MMORPG they have right now. I think it's being kept alive as a test case, and that eventually we will see some EQ spin off game on the PS3.
I'd also be really surprised if the DC MMORPG doesn't also appear on the PS3.
Several MMORPGs currently in development/ recently released would lend themselves readilly to consoles. Autoassualt, DnD Online, and Guild Wars come to mind. I could go into specifics, but if you think about it I think you'll see where I'm coming from.
SWG massively dumbed down recently. Rampant rumors that it's being ported to the PS3. However, there's more to it. SOE intended to port it to the PS2, even announced it around the launch of the system. However, they evntually canned it for reasons that reamain unclear (moste likely 1. technically unfeasable on the PS2, 2. PC version didn't do as well as they hoped):
And finally Smed himself has all but said that there will be MMORPGs on the PS3, at least if this random guy that saw his keynote address at a 2005 cell phone conference is to be believed:
There is no trascript of the speach available, but by following links you can at least verify that Smed did talk at the event.
The first company to put a fast paced "for the masses" MMORPG on a console and not shoot themselves in the foot will make a ton of money. The only reason they haven't taken off is that the developers keep doing really stupid stuff everytime they bring one out (I'm going to include a few that aren't MMORPGs, but that i think would appeal to a similar demographic):
PSO, DC: released on a dying system. Considering the installed base of the DC, it actuallu did quite well for a while.
PS GC: when it came out in the US, there was no keyboard available for the gamecube in the US. Also, PSO was the only game to take advantage of the modem, until of course PSO Card Revolution (the sequal no-one that liked PSO really wanted) came out.
Resident Evil Online: neither version had any support for keyboard or voice chat. In a game that forces you to cooporate to get through it, it's hard to imagine a more stupid and obvious mistake.
FFXI: PS2. Required you to buy an expensive peripheral that Sony never supported at all. Even simple functions like using it as a really big memory card were not supported. Soone after it came out, SOE caem out with a version of the PS2 that wasn't compatible with the harddrive. Needless to say, the PS2 community for this game never really took off in the states. here it's mainly a PC game.
EQOA: the developers decided that not having zones was more imoprtant than overall graphics quality. Given the memory limitations of the PS2 this pretty much doomed the game to have horrifically bad graphics. Also, the game was arguably highly incomplet at launch. A few months after launch the first raid zones went in. A year after launch crafting went in. Nearly three years after launch the epics finally went in (I'm sure all that sounds familiar to SWGs players).
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
Originally posted by MeFartsSmell Hey that would be great to have SWG or SWG2 on PS3, about time to bring MMO to the PS3 and 360.
You are definitely in the minority opinion here. Most folks do NOT want to see their MMO's ported to console, it spells the demise of PC gaming if successful
Admiker... I usually side with you on most arguments, but not this one. Without getting into a Console vs. PC argument. I'll just say that the "demise of the PC" has been touted for ages now. Yet it's never happened. No matter how good consoles become, PCs will catch up and surpass them, until the next generation comes along and the cycle begins again, so there's no need to fear on that side of things.
I'd be more worried about the type of player that consoles bring, and the "dumbing down" of a game to fit a console theme.
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Originally posted by duncan_922 Admiker... I usually side with you on most arguments, but not this one. Without getting into a Console vs. PC argument. I'll just say that the "demise of the PC" has been touted for ages now. Yet it's never happened. No matter how good consoles become, PCs will catch up and surpass them, until the next generation comes along and the cycle begins again, so there's no need to fear on that side of things. I'd be more worried about the type of player that consoles bring, and the "dumbing down" of a game to fit a console theme.
duncan_992 is exactly right. The PC will always be the cutting edge of gaming. Espically with the advent of the internet, they are even more so. If it wasn't for PC gaming we would never have seen games like Half Life or its plethora of multiplayer MODs such as couter-strike and Team Fortress Classic. These games simply wouldn't have existed if it wasn't for PC gaming (the modding community for consols is non-existent).
PC games are able to be more "complicated" in their desiges... offering more options which makes for a better and richer experience. Consols are restricting in their design. You'll always be able to do things with PC games that just can't be done with consols. What's worrysum in this PC vs Consol debate isn't which is 'more powerful' (it's PC btw, and always will be) its that the profit margins for consols is much larger.... so gaming companies are starting to design their games to be "consol" freindly from the get-go... which means a loss of what makes PC games superior and higher-quality to begin with.
Originally posted by MeFartsSmell Hey that would be great to have SWG or SWG2 on PS3, about time to bring MMO to the PS3 and 360.
You are definitely in the minority opinion here. Most folks do NOT want to see their MMO's ported to console, it spells the demise of PC gaming if successful
Admiker... I usually side with you on most arguments, but not this one. Without getting into a Console vs. PC argument. I'll just say that the "demise of the PC" has been touted for ages now. Yet it's never happened. No matter how good consoles become, PCs will catch up and surpass them, until the next generation comes along and the cycle begins again, so there's no need to fear on that side of things.
I'd be more worried about the type of player that consoles bring, and the "dumbing down" of a game to fit a console theme.
Hmm yeah your probably right. With Bill Gates in our corner, PC's should survive the console onslaught. Still, I hope we arent delegated 2nd class citizenship.
It seems like yesterday when I would go into my local Electronics Boutique store or Babbages (Gamestop now) and shop around for PC games. The place would be packed with PC games. I could spend hours looking through ever box hoping to find some hidden gem. Now PC games in those same stores are buried in the back on one dusty shelf. Hell, even used ps2 games get more shelf space than PC games do nowadays.
And Im not anti-console. My son has XBOX 360 and Gamecube and sometimes we hook them up to the bigscreen tv for some fun. But your right, those type of gamers arent exactly great for MMO communities.
Admiker... I usually side with you on most arguments, but not this one. Without getting into a Console vs. PC argument. I'll just say that the "demise of the PC" has been touted for ages now. Yet it's never happened. No matter how good consoles become, PCs will catch up and surpass them, until the next generation comes along and the cycle begins again, so there's no need to fear on that side of things. I'd be more worried about the type of player that consoles bring, and the "dumbing down" of a game to fit a console theme.
duncan_992 is exactly right. The PC will always be the cutting edge of gaming. Espically with the advent of the internet, they are even more so. If it wasn't for PC gaming we would never have seen games like Half Life or its plethora of multiplayer MODs such as couter-strike and Team Fortress Classic. These games simply wouldn't have existed if it wasn't for PC gaming (the modding community for consols is non-existent).
PC games are able to be more "complicated" in their desiges... offering more options which makes for a better and richer experience. Consols are restricting in their design. You'll always be able to do things with PC games that just can't be done with consols. What's worrysum in this PC vs Consol debate isn't which is 'more powerful' (it's PC btw, and always will be) its that the profit margins for consols is much larger.... so gaming companies are starting to design their games to be "consol" freindly from the get-go... which means a loss of what makes PC games superior and higher-quality to begin with.
The reason PC games aren't high on the resell platform is because you can easily copy a PC game and not need the disks, then sell them back and keep playing the game. The industry discourages it.
Now with a PS2, the industry knows that 99.9% of the people need the game to play it, do resale is a-ok.
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Originally posted by Shayde The reason PC games aren't high on the resell platform is because you can easily copy a PC game and not need the disks, then sell them back and keep playing the game. The industry discourages it. Now with a PS2, the industry knows that 99.9% of the people need the game to play it, do resale is a-ok.
Not true. ANY software that is opened can not be returned. Every major computer store has that policy just because of people having the ability to do exactly what you are stating. I was in a CompUSA store and someone tried returning some software next to me and the Tech brought it into the back room and loaded it up on a pc back there ... came out and said ... works fine for me..... try it again.
As far ar someone selling a game to a "friend" well you can't get around that but there is only ONE CD Key. Where any PS2 or 3 or an XBOX game will work in ANY other console of that type.
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Originally posted by Sago Originally posted by Shayde The reason PC games aren't high on the resell platform is because you can easily copy a PC game and not need the disks, then sell them back and keep playing the game. The industry discourages it. Now with a PS2, the industry knows that 99.9% of the people need the game to play it, do resale is a-ok. Not true. ANY software that is opened can not be returned. Every major computer store has that policy just because of people having the ability to do exactly what you are stating. I was in a CompUSA store and someone tried returning some software next to me and the Tech brought it into the back room and loaded it up on a pc back there ... came out and said ... works fine for me..... try it again. As far ar someone selling a game to a "friend" well you can't get around that but there is only ONE CD Key. Where any PS2 or 3 or an XBOX game will work in ANY other console of that type.
Re read what I said.
I said PC games are discouraged from RESALE because you can install the game on the PC and sell the disks, and keep playing the game. That. and they're easy to copy.
Console games are difficult to copy and you can't save the game on a console and keep playing it.
THAT's why console game resale is encouraged while PC game resale is discouraged.
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It's not that i dont belive that SOE/Sony will port a mmo onto the PS3 i do and it would be great to get a mmo on a console i just dont think it would be a great idea to port any of the games it has too a PS3 but if SOE and blizzard got together and ported wow to the PS3 that would sell (as long as any changes made to the game were only done to the new PS3 servers)
tbh SOE only have one mmo under devlopment (DC commics) and the rest are just old and unpopular with dated graphics and bad reputations of buggs on every corner
besides if SOE ported SWG to its PS3 i think as its a sony console and a sony game it would have a negitive effect on sales of the console. For me they could do it, they would be nothing more funny in my mind than the millions spent on the devlopment of the PS3 go to see it go down the drain i hope everyone buys the console and never buys a game.
Tin Foil hats dont work.. its all a conspiracy
I have given this lots of thought and come to the crazy conclusion that we could be near the end of both PC's and consoles (mainly consoles) as we know it as consoles are more and more like PC's and becoming just as expensive so with LCD and plasma tv's really taking off ATM and windows media pc/tv combo's becoming more affordable the way we live our homelife will change how mass broadband cheep combo PC's/TV media centers then who will need expensive consoles
i think what will happen is all in one units PC, TV media gamestations after that who is then going to $700 on a console just to only be able to play the manufactures games on it.
Tin Foil hats dont work.. its all a conspiracy
Yeah i would have to agree with that . Its not unheard of anyway , FF and EQOA come to mind ..
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Another SOE LIE proven out ,and it will fail. SOE reputation is worse then ever and I do not see that taking the keyboard away from the players will help except that they can not post here or on their forums without one ( OOOH , that might be the target Audience then - Morons without keyboards for the obvious reasons
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WoW PSP3 SWG , SOE has been denying this all along and now its coming true (maybe).
Another SOE LIE proven out ,and it will fail. SOE reputation is worse then every and I do not see that taking the keyboard away from the players will help except that they can not post here or on their forums without one ( OOOH , that might be the target Audience then - Morons without keyboards for the obvious reasons
WTG SOE!)
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I can see SWG on teh PS3 - np
I can see a SWG 2 for the PS3 but I have a hard time seeing SOE doing the development work.
I would see this more likely coming out of LA themselves (or a team contracted by LA) than SOE. The multicore cell processor used in the PS3 is complex to develop for and I doubt SOE has the staff for an undertaking like that. I could see SOE hosting the online service for it however.
SOE already has at least one PS3 title in development. It was confirmed by a SOE employee who wrote an article about PS3 development and how the PS3 games aren't very impressive at the moment - the guy got fired for it. I can't remember the name but it was a few weeks ago.
Neither SOE or LA will develope a "new " SWG game for the PS3. It would be stupid why reinvent the wheel? ... besides ... remember Nancy said they wanted to reach a broader younger customer??? SWG was taken from a great MMO game and turned onto a console game with the NGE. And all of the existing customers were already in place to test it and work out the bugs before SP3 hit the stores. I totally believe that the sole purpose of the NGE was to turn SWG into a game that will be included in the PS3. SOE and LA planned a long time ago to do this and to hell with us Vets, like me, who spent $1,100.00 with them over 2 accounts.
Hardware (and software for that matter) is ALWAYS backwards compatable. Just cuz it has a multicore processor doesn't mean SWG in it's present state won't run.
I think it is time we started flaming the PS3 where ever we can write a review. Maybe the next MMO company will think twice about the repercussions if they start thinking about pushing out total revamps and changing the core of a game they already sold to their customers 1 1/2 - 2 years earlier?
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Some of you probably already forgot, but I predicted this would happen not too long ago (here at MMORPG).
Basically, here's what I said:
FACT: We know that SOE *did* have plans to port SWG to consol. This was told to us by the "NGE DEEPTHROAT" at the same time he informed us about the NGE.
FACT: Shortly after the NGE's abysmal release, those plans were put on hold indefinetly. This was also told to us by the nge deepthroat.
FACT: It should be clear to everyone that SWG isn't shutting down. Not today, not tomorrow and not until SWG runs its original intended life-span of 5+ years.
Based on what we know to be fact, here's what any clear thinking person will now surmise:
- SOE has reinstated the plans to bring SWG to consol.
- The fact that there hasn't been any server consolidations means SOE is still expecting an influx of new players, PS3 players to be exact.
- If you haven't noticed, the devs are mostly working on the rest of the legacy quest line. Which will be released in installments over the next few months. It is being fast-tracked for the PS3 launch (fourth quarter this year).
- And finally, ask yourself _this_ question: What does Sony have to LOSE by releasing this game on consol? At this point, NOTHING. In fact, from Sony's perspective, they lose-out if they DON'T port to consol. Half the work is done (visa-ve NGE), so why not? The PS3 will have an extra title at launch (which always looks good), and SOE will grab some new players at christmas time next year (always good).
- In various interviews, both SMed and Raph have been quoted as saying that the next step is "integration". By that he means PC players with consol players... and someday even handhelds/cellphones.
SWG is coming to Playstation 3, you can bet your life on it.
The NGE combined with SOE's antisocial approach to its paying customers is what has caused the population numbers to slowly dwindle.
Actually, no.
SONY created and owned Beta. It was the better format. They decided that SONY would make ALL the Betamax players and have a monopoly on the home video market.
Along comes VHS, a lesser format. How do they compete? They give the specs to other companies to all make players. More players = cheaper prices = everyone has a VHS.
Because Sony wanted to corner the market, they lost the market. That's how Blu-ray and HDDVD will play out. When has Sony learned from their mistakes?
P.S... as far as "keyboardless" goes for the PS3.. you DO know they are selling keyboards for it, right?
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Well if the rumours are true and the PS3 will fully support a keyboard and mouse as control options for games, and the console is as good as it is hyped up to be then PC gaming will be in trouble in particular the FPS market. (Provided they make any decent games but thats another issue.)
However due to the nature of MMO's i doubt we will see any pc games ported to consoles due to patches being released every other month to fix things and i doubt the consoles could cope with this.
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A couple pf thoughts.
It is nearly inevitable that we will see major MMORPG franchises appearing on consoles in the coming generation. The PS3 will have a built in hard drive, and the X-box 360 comes with an external hardrive unless you're a complete dingbat and buy the "core" package (save 100$ just to have to turn around and spend $50 on a memory card that completley sucks compared to a HD...yeah .that's a good deal . . .).
FFXI is being beta tested for the X-box 360, it will launch in a month or so. It's one of the most popular MMORPGs, with slightly more subscribers than any single SOE product. No surprise there, it launched on the PC and PS2 after all.
Microsoft is reportedly prepping the Marvel MMORPG for the 360.
From the opposite direction, games with many similariteis to MMORPGS are coming out for consoles in the near future. Monster Hunter is being prepped for the PSP, and Phatasy Star Evolution is coming to the PS2 in the fall ( a direct sequeal ...at last..to PSO!).
Now to enter the realm of speculation . . .
EQOA is being kept alive for some reason. The game has to be down in the neighbohood of 10K subscribers. The only reason that I can see for SOE to not pull the plug is that it' the only console MMORPG they have right now. I think it's being kept alive as a test case, and that eventually we will see some EQ spin off game on the PS3.
I'd also be really surprised if the DC MMORPG doesn't also appear on the PS3.
Several MMORPGs currently in development/ recently released would lend themselves readilly to consoles. Autoassualt, DnD Online, and Guild Wars come to mind. I could go into specifics, but if you think about it I think you'll see where I'm coming from.
SWG massively dumbed down recently. Rampant rumors that it's being ported to the PS3. However, there's more to it. SOE intended to port it to the PS2, even announced it around the launch of the system. However, they evntually canned it for reasons that reamain unclear (moste likely 1. technically unfeasable on the PS2, 2. PC version didn't do as well as they hoped):
SWG on the PS2
And finally Smed himself has all but said that there will be MMORPGs on the PS3, at least if this random guy that saw his keynote address at a 2005 cell phone conference is to be believed:
News Story
There is no trascript of the speach available, but by following links you can at least verify that Smed did talk at the event.
The first company to put a fast paced "for the masses" MMORPG on a console and not shoot themselves in the foot will make a ton of money. The only reason they haven't taken off is that the developers keep doing really stupid stuff everytime they bring one out (I'm going to include a few that aren't MMORPGs, but that i think would appeal to a similar demographic):
PSO, DC: released on a dying system. Considering the installed base of the DC, it actuallu did quite well for a while.
PS GC: when it came out in the US, there was no keyboard available for the gamecube in the US. Also, PSO was the only game to take advantage of the modem, until of course PSO Card Revolution (the sequal no-one that liked PSO really wanted) came out.
Resident Evil Online: neither version had any support for keyboard or voice chat. In a game that forces you to cooporate to get through it, it's hard to imagine a more stupid and obvious mistake.
FFXI: PS2. Required you to buy an expensive peripheral that Sony never supported at all. Even simple functions like using it as a really big memory card were not supported. Soone after it came out, SOE caem out with a version of the PS2 that wasn't compatible with the harddrive. Needless to say, the PS2 community for this game never really took off in the states. here it's mainly a PC game.
EQOA: the developers decided that not having zones was more imoprtant than overall graphics quality. Given the memory limitations of the PS2 this pretty much doomed the game to have horrifically bad graphics. Also, the game was arguably highly incomplet at launch. A few months after launch the first raid zones went in. A year after launch crafting went in. Nearly three years after launch the epics finally went in (I'm sure all that sounds familiar to SWGs players).
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
Admiker... I usually side with you on most arguments, but not this one. Without getting into a Console vs. PC argument. I'll just say that the "demise of the PC" has been touted for ages now. Yet it's never happened. No matter how good consoles become, PCs will catch up and surpass them, until the next generation comes along and the cycle begins again, so there's no need to fear on that side of things.
I'd be more worried about the type of player that consoles bring, and the "dumbing down" of a game to fit a console theme.
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duncan_992 is exactly right. The PC will always be the cutting edge of gaming. Espically with the advent of the internet, they are even more so. If it wasn't for PC gaming we would never have seen games like Half Life or its plethora of multiplayer MODs such as couter-strike and Team Fortress Classic. These games simply wouldn't have existed if it wasn't for PC gaming (the modding community for consols is non-existent).
PC games are able to be more "complicated" in their desiges... offering more options which makes for a better and richer experience. Consols are restricting in their design. You'll always be able to do things with PC games that just can't be done with consols. What's worrysum in this PC vs Consol debate isn't which is 'more powerful' (it's PC btw, and always will be) its that the profit margins for consols is much larger.... so gaming companies are starting to design their games to be "consol" freindly from the get-go... which means a loss of what makes PC games superior and higher-quality to begin with.
Admiker... I usually side with you on most arguments, but not this one. Without getting into a Console vs. PC argument. I'll just say that the "demise of the PC" has been touted for ages now. Yet it's never happened. No matter how good consoles become, PCs will catch up and surpass them, until the next generation comes along and the cycle begins again, so there's no need to fear on that side of things.
I'd be more worried about the type of player that consoles bring, and the "dumbing down" of a game to fit a console theme.
Hmm yeah your probably right. With Bill Gates in our corner, PC's should survive the console onslaught. Still, I hope we arent delegated 2nd class citizenship.
It seems like yesterday when I would go into my local Electronics Boutique store or Babbages (Gamestop now) and shop around for PC games. The place would be packed with PC games. I could spend hours looking through ever box hoping to find some hidden gem. Now PC games in those same stores are buried in the back on one dusty shelf. Hell, even used ps2 games get more shelf space than PC games do nowadays.
And Im not anti-console. My son has XBOX 360 and Gamecube and sometimes we hook them up to the bigscreen tv for some fun. But your right, those type of gamers arent exactly great for MMO communities.
duncan_992 is exactly right. The PC will always be the cutting edge of gaming. Espically with the advent of the internet, they are even more so. If it wasn't for PC gaming we would never have seen games like Half Life or its plethora of multiplayer MODs such as couter-strike and Team Fortress Classic. These games simply wouldn't have existed if it wasn't for PC gaming (the modding community for consols is non-existent).
PC games are able to be more "complicated" in their desiges... offering more options which makes for a better and richer experience. Consols are restricting in their design. You'll always be able to do things with PC games that just can't be done with consols. What's worrysum in this PC vs Consol debate isn't which is 'more powerful' (it's PC btw, and always will be) its that the profit margins for consols is much larger.... so gaming companies are starting to design their games to be "consol" freindly from the get-go... which means a loss of what makes PC games superior and higher-quality to begin with.
Good point
The reason PC games aren't high on the resell platform is because you can easily copy a PC game and not need the disks, then sell them back and keep playing the game. The industry discourages it.
Now with a PS2, the industry knows that 99.9% of the people need the game to play it, do resale is a-ok.
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Not true. ANY software that is opened can not be returned. Every major computer store has that policy just because of people having the ability to do exactly what you are stating. I was in a CompUSA store and someone tried returning some software next to me and the Tech brought it into the back room and loaded it up on a pc back there ... came out and said ... works fine for me..... try it again.
As far ar someone selling a game to a "friend" well you can't get around that but there is only ONE CD Key. Where any PS2 or 3 or an XBOX game will work in ANY other console of that type.
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Re read what I said.
I said PC games are discouraged from RESALE because you can install the game on the PC and sell the disks, and keep playing the game. That. and they're easy to copy.
Console games are difficult to copy and you can't save the game on a console and keep playing it.
THAT's why console game resale is encouraged while PC game resale is discouraged.
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