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MMO_Munk
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IS does this game blow?
Your answer can be viewed as many, as i've seen in the forums so far, some people like it, others dipise it not even calling this an MMO.
Now I personally don't care if you play the game or not. I know i play it, and i have fun with it (So Far) I made it to LvL 3 in one day. Mind you I'm a pretty hardcore gamer, 6 years everquest 1 year and half everquest 2 9 months of eve online, Ultima Online 2 years, Guild Wars, The MAtrix online, World of Warcraft, Star Wars Galaxies, and beta'd for more games than i can remember. I've made it to end game in all of these games. And what i got to say is, this game is origonal, on the fact that I do not play with pickup groups, and only my gaming circle. (Pickups only if everyone else is busy) this is a GREAT game to play with a circle of friends IE your DnD group or whatnot. THIS IS THE AUDIENCE THIS GAME WAS SHOOTING FOR. This is NOT like the other MMO's. This is a game i see playing until Vanguard comes out, cause by then I'll be far through whatever content this game has to offer. No i do not see this game making it for the long Haul. Talking about 4-6 years like other mmo's in the past. This is a 2 year max market Niche game.
But it is a FUN game, least on hard mode for the quests, really almost makes it impossible unless with a circle of friends you game with on the regular. This is a NICE game, and DOESNT need people that LIVE THEIR LIVES IN MMO's Yes there are HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF people that look at an MMO As their life style? I mean so what if there is no In game housing, its not like giant american party is going to go down in my ingame house. Its just a bank with visuals. The PvP Aspect of this game, so theres no PvP once again, so what. If you want a PvP game, go play a PvP game, i suggest EVE for all our new World of Newbie members.
But anyways back to the point, I'm sick of seeing 14 year old boys, and little kid gamers, flame this game. This game is a fun well developed city to Roleplay, and Quest in. So all I'm asking is, Please stop putting flame threads on these boards, I'm sick of reading them. They are all pointless and your opinions.
And as of the Servers population being low, so not true, i have yet to seen more than 3 feet without someone else standing there while in the city, and the taverns are so packed with people sometimes the lag gets disgusting.
So can we all agree to disagree and stop flaming this game, it will be out of your hair for all that hate it in about 2 years. So just give it a rest =p Thanks much
-Munk
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Let the flamers flame - I'd prefer they stay away from DDO anyway. I took a chance on this game and I've been thoroughly impressed ... it's downright exciting how good this game is and how much potential this game has.
DDO = Guild Wars + Monthly Fee
Enough said.
Uggh....
I can appreciate that you like the game, but in my view I'm very dissapointed. I hope that's ok to say because I'm not 14 years old and I don't think I'm flaming. Last time I looked this was a forum for posting our views.
It always floors me that the notion of this game is to play with a small circle of friends just like DnD. I'll repeat it again as I have in other posts, when I was playing the internet wasn't a big thing and of course we played with a small circle of friends because we had no choice. If we could have a living breathing world (more people, crafting, ect) we whould have loved it. If I just want to play with friends why would I pay a monthly charge for a lan game?
Next the thought that you don't need to spend your life on DDO. Most casual MMOs you don't need to, I think that's a misconception. A lot of people do because they enjoy it. But on the flipside, if I'm paying monthly I'm going to play the snot out of a game.
Lastly as someone else said the scope of the game is very limited. Sitting ina crowded tavern is not my idea of a MMO experience. All instanced areas aren't my idea of a MMO. There are some good games out there that let you hook up with your friends online and play. NWN comes to mind.....and it's free to play every month.
Personally I think the game would have been more appealing to me if there was some more solo content and no monthly charge. Then as time goes on charged for 'modules' or something for added adventures.
...or left it open for the community to make adventures.
Why? In some games the solo experience is better, but that isn't always the case.
If a game is designed well, that is designed with both senarios in mind, why shouldn't it be? I think that's what makes a game stand out is if they offer something unique. DDO sorta does but it's nothing that can't be done for no monthly charge. Sorry if it seems to back to money, but moneys a concern for alot of people nowadays.
The way I look at is that if you want to grind it's either in a group or solo it doesn't matter, you're still grinding. Devs can always put something else in for people to do, such as crafting so it's not just about adventuring.
But that's niether here nor there since the game is already out. It will be interesting to see how it all works out. If you like the game, that's cool like I said I'm not trying to flame.
The game is ok so far. I'm just out of the tutorial area and am doing some initial quests.
Tons of lag caused graphics stuttering problems in the Stormreach Tavern. As soon as I entered the screen "rubberbanded" the scene forward and back several times. People were jumping on the bar to talk to the bartender npc, people were casting spells right at the entrance (inside where you "land").
Once out of the tavern there was a large crowd of people and again the graphics fell apart. I have a decent card and machine.
I'm not left handed and using the WASD keys plus Q and E to lunge back and forth-really awkward.
The "narrator" has a voice out of some old movie.
The city is very compact. Even so it is hard to find your way around.
So far the combat is ok, even with awkward controls. Which means I killed instead of being killed.
There was a bit of rain falling, which made the dark scene even darker.
Movement made me a bit queezy. That could be a problem.
Nice character customization. Lots of hair styles and colors for women
K
Did open beta loved it... now im having a break from mmo's when im done having a break DDO it is!
"Those that run away will fight another day" - Vegitus
I have seen 3 or 4 other posts of you asking questions about the game all started on the same day. Have you actually played the game?
I honestly don't get this. You're paying the equivalent of $0.50 per day, and that means you have to play the game like fire? By that logic, since I pay a flat monthly fee for cable TV I should have the TV constantly on 24/7, or since I have free nights and weekends on my cellphone I should spend as much time as possible talking on my cellphone nights and weekends (of course with the cable TV turned on as well, so I can "get my money's worth" ...).
It's $0.50 a day ... the cost of a newspaper. It doesn't justify a playing style, either way.
Dude... DDO is terrible. I dont need to resay what many others have said. No content, no MMO free roaming environment. NWN2 will kill this thing out right. Past that... 15 a month for a single channel is a fairer comparison then all your cable right? HBO is 5 bucks dude. I get like 5 million times the content just from the sopranos. 15 dollars a month is a high premium for a gaming experience. I am a 30 year old software engineer w/ a bmw payment, so all flames about being broke should stop here. Its about the appropriate price for the content. You wouldnt be like, "what are you cheap??? everybody else buys their bazooka bumble gum for 10 bucks a piece.
Mydasx
No, not really. It's a flat fee for a service. My point is that people shouldn't say "if I'm paying I'm going to play the snot out of it", because that's a personal choice. If you think that you have to "play the snot out of the game" because you're spending $0.50 a day on it, more power to you. It's like saying since Im paying for cable I should watch the snot out of it ...
Again $0.50 a day is an appropriate price imo. $15 a month is cheaper than it costs me to take me and my son to the movies once for a 2 hour experience. I have no sympathy for the "it's not worth $15 a month" arguments because the amount of money we're talking about is very small at the end of the day in comparison with other entertainment expenditures.
I agree that DDO isn't for everyone, but it's been very fun for me, and certainly worth the $0.50 a day as long as I decide to keep playing it. After all $0.50 a day is only 20% of the price of a Starbucks cup of coffee, for goodness sake!
your comparison to everything else in the world besides subscription based entertainment is apples and oranges dude. On that same line i could argue, that my mortgage is 2000 bucks a month, so paying 100 dollars a month to game is fine. Come on man, get real. The industry standard for Massives is 15 bucks a month. This game has such little content, and differs from the persistant NWN worlds so minutely, its my humble oppinion that a game that you will play for upwards of a year for 15 dollars has to be on a higher caliber then this one.
Nuff said.
Mydasx
99% of NWN persistant worlds are shite. An 100% of them support less than 100 players on a single server. Some of them are fun for a bit but hardly on par with DDO IMO.
I can make my own world, so the sky is the limit. I am the dungeon master in NWN. DDO, yea, not the case. Did i mention, NWN is free? 100 or less players..., in an instanced environment, i really only need a couple of players. Everything else is chat.
Mydasx
Well then don't play it I guess.
I'll never be convinced that $0.50 a day is a lot of money to spend on anything, however, in terms of entertainment. It isn't apples and oranges at all. It's all entertainment dollars and how you choose to spend them. MMOs are an entertainment bargain, and it's totally, 100% appropriate to compare the cost of them to the cost of other things you might spend your entertainment dollar on, because it's all coming out of the entertainment budget at the end of the day.
But as with any other form of entertainment, if you don't like it, don't spend money on it.
To the OP (Munk),
I could not help but laugh at some of the things you tried to say in your post. Instead of calling everyone who hates the game 14 year olds - I'd suggest quitting all those MMO's you listed. You should go back to school and learn things like spelling, logic and sentence structure. The first rule of making an intelligent post is to be intelligent.
If you're sick of reading posts with people's "pointless" opinions - I'd suggest not reading posts here. People have a right to explain why DDO did not live up to their expectations. I'd hardly call their opinions pointless.
DDO is a good game for what it is - but it is not a MMORPG. This is one of the reasons it has been flamed on these forums. Let me give you an analogy . . . Turbine has made a set of Tupperware. Some people think it is the finest set of Tupperware ever created. Still, the fact remains, you'd be hard-pressed to sell Tupperware in a Fine Crystal Shop.
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Alas, the youre too broke to pay 15 dollars flamers have arrived. Again, i'm a 30 year old software engineer w/ a bmw payment and a mortgage. My post is about how i spend my money not whether or not i can. This i'm not worried about 15 bucks thing is whack. Yes 15 bucks is how much i spend on lunch each day, yes 15 dollars is a quarter of what i make in an hour, yes 15 dollars is a drop in a bucket, NO TURBINE DOES NOT DESERVE MY 15 BUCKS. Again, the age ol' well you must be broke crap is not a valid statement for justifying why i wont play this game. Simply the content is not worth 15 bucks. a month for a year. When i look at the total cost to play the game to completion, i'm seeing a 15 dollar a month fee, and an initial cost of 50 dollars. For a year to play that's a grand total of 230 dollars. NWN2 is on the bubble and will be 50 dollars. PERIOD. If you want to talk about money spent lets talk about that. 230 vs 50 almost 5 times more money for chat. Look at the FPS market, all multiplay is free. If its instanced and multi, it should be free IMHO. In a year i spend a butt load of money on games, if i'm going to push 4 other games to the side for a massive, i want it to be worth 4 other games.
2nd, the well don't play argument sucks too. No shit i'm not going to play. I come to these forums to see whether or not i want to play games. Everyones oppinion is important for that reason alone. If i see a bunch of people griping about the kind of stuff that makes me hate games, i don't buy them. If i save one guy from putting a dime down on this heap, i have done my job. I hope that you would do the same for me.
Mydasx
You don't actually think NWN2 is still going to be out in april do you?
this year will be fine.
I'm not even very confident it will be out this year. I haven't seen more than a dozen screenshots for it as of yet and not a single movie available anywhere. I think they still have a long way to go with the game before it's done. Hopefully they will show it off at this years E3 though.
Good post Munk. I'm guilty of criticizing games, but not try to flame them or generate hate. DDO IS a fun game. But it is a disposable game at that. The line between of MMOG and Single Player game is getting blurred these days. I associate an MMOG with long replayability and community building. The games I crit are usually the ones straying from that foundation set by earlier MMOGs.
And I must add, Vanguard is our only hope. Praise to Aradune.
EQ1 - Shaman & Cleric 1999-2003
Others Played: AC1, AC2, AO, EQ2, EVE(Beta Tester), SWG(pre-NGE/CU), Guildwars, TSO, MxO(Beta Tester), Lineage 1, Lineage 2, WOW, COV/COH, DDO, Vanguard(Beta Tester), DAOC, Tabula Rasa
Another flawed comparison. Why assume you're going to play for a year? The only MMO that has managed to keep my attention for anything more than a few months has been EVE Online (2 years next month). That doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the other games I've played for a month or two here and there, and I surely don't begrudge the development company the extra 15-45 dollars I spent for a few months of investigating and playing the games they've created. So to me it's not the $230 issue, because the only development company so far that's been able to lay claim to that kind of money from me is CCP, but it's really more an issue of whether you're willing to pay $15 for as long as you enjoy the game. I'm willing to do that for DDO. I doubt I'll play for more than a few months, because that's generally the way I've played other non-EVE games, but if I enjoy what I'm doing during those 2 months, the $30 I pay for them is not an issue at all.
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I don't expect an online game to be the price of bubble gum.
Another flawed comparison. Why assume you're going to play for a year? The only MMO that has managed to keep my attention for anything more than a few months has been EVE Online (2 years next month). That doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the other games I've played for a month or two here and there, and I surely don't begrudge the development company the extra 15-45 dollars I spent for a few months of investigating and playing the games they've created. So to me it's not the $230 issue, because the only development company so far that's been able to lay claim to that kind of money from me is CCP, but it's really more an issue of whether you're willing to pay $15 for as long as you enjoy the game. I'm willing to do that for DDO. I doubt I'll play for more than a few months, because that's generally the way I've played other non-EVE games, but if I enjoy what I'm doing during those 2 months, the $30 I pay for them is not an issue at all.
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I don't expect an online game to be the price of bubble gum.
Fair enough, riddle me this, if i play NWN for more then one month. How much does that cost me?