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Who truly enjoys the pve in MMORPGs for over a month of game play?
jackilojohn
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I was just wanting to see what the population thought about this. Do you really have alot of fun playing the PVE part of mmorpgs or do you enjoy other things like the social aspect, economy, getting new loot
(this is different from pve and the difference is pve is the actual combat between you and the MOBS and loot is when you actually see what item you got),
pvp, creating guilds, guild warefare?
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I truely enjoy PVE in games. Yes, for over a month. I suck at PVP, for me it is not fun. Call me carebare, I could really care less. I even played on the PVE server on DAOC cause it was more fun for me. I imagine with time and patience I could learn the fine arts of PVP in games but for the moment I chose not.
I do see a need for PVP and PVE servers as they cater to different play styles. To each their own...
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I like having PVP and PVE areas seperate, for example WOW has instanced PVP which is great. When i'm doing PVE in the world i don't want to be ganked.
I also like EVE's PVP system where it's not isntaced and out in the real world, works for that game though because it has no real PVE. So you play it to PVP.
SWG had a great PVP system where you could go overt and enter the PVP.
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Excuse me.....I played everquestfrom 2000 to 2004 on a PVE server without ever PVP'ing....And I enjoyed it...so there.
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I do! I like adventuring. I enjoy playing a game to escape into a cool fantasy world. Just like I love watching a good movie or reading a good book.
I'm not a big fan of MMO PvP. I do enjoy going against a human competitor in some games though. But I enjoy it more in strategy games or in board games like chess. PvP in MMO's is not fun to me for two reasons.
One, the people that do PvP are usually not in it for the competitiveness more so than just being an ass most of the time. And yes, I'm generalizing so no need to point that out to me. But I think everyone who's honest knows what the MMO PvP crowds are. For instance, what competitiveness is there in games like WoW where someone 10 or 20 levels ahead of you kills you? That is just being an ass. That kind of stuff gets old really quick.
Two, I don't think that the Internet is a good MMO PvP medium. Maybe this will change one day, but for now it's not fun having to contend with lag when you get more than 3 or 4 people in one area. Even with broadband and a fast computer it's still more than an annoyance.
That being said, there is one game that I've tried where I do occasionally have fun with PvP. And that's Dark Age of Camelot. Yes, there is lag when there are big battles going on, but for some reason that game draws me in. It's different to me for some reason. I'm just glad it's also got some good PvE to go along with it.
Reavo, and maybe some other people didn't read my post. Pve is the actually combat between you and the MOB?? Do you actually get a challenge or any kind of satisfaction from killing mindless creatures over and over. I can understand taking down large bosses is interesting but the everyday grinding pve??
AI is AI and even the most advanced AI is AI. Artificial, predictable, not very good, and just boring.
I like PVP in MMOs because I can't stand playing against a computer. I beat them too easily.
I suck at PVP FPS, so I play PVP MMOs. I have insane reaction time, but I lack the precision to play FPSs.... so sue me. LoL, I actually get a challenge from FPS games that aren't PVP, I'm pretty bad at them.
But in games like WoW, where reaction time is mixed w/ strategy (1 on 1 that is), I will kick you ass. I used to bet 5g to 5s on it in gen.... I never had to pay 5g even when I was dueling on a 56k modem w/ 256mb Ram and a 6000ms ping.
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I hate doing polls because you never really know which people spoke up. I can't believe that people actually enjoy killing everyday mobs over and over.
I suggest strategy games like Warcraft 3 (actually there's not much strategy in WC3 at all)... Try Age of Mythology... If you're just looking for pvp and you suck at fps...
Instead of trying to make PVE sound like a bad thing ( because it's not... PVE is the story, substance, etc...) find out ways to make PVP work without impeding on PVE aspects and yet add more to the fun... The reason why there aren't so much pvp games or games that gives you freedom to pvp, is because it causes so much problems... I'm just going to leave it at that, because this has been talked about over and over before already...
well your poll is set up to make people answer they don't like PvE. The fact that it backfired is pretty funny.
Most people include all the things you listed in your third option ( other then PvP ) as part of the PvE game.
PvE = player vrs environment. Crafting, quests, economy and even the social aspect of the games rightly belong under PvE. I'm sure not many people like to just grind mobs, it's the results from doing that, that people enjoy.
Well, that was my point....I thought that was clear. My poll was very much against pve the combat between players and mobs.....So that is why I believe most people didn't answer truthfully. The third option would lend itself to someone saying they enjoy the results from pve......but people didn't do that did they.
The truth is, you turn PvE into something it isnt. PvE is EVERYTHING in the game other than the PvP side of things. Whether you like to admit it or not.
Frankly, PvP may drive sales, but PvE brings in the players who actually have any morals, and common decency.
As was stated, and I will generalize as well, most PvP players are like those morons who play (american) football. When you watch football, the idiots run the ball to the end, spike a touchdown, and dance like little children. That is exactly what you see in MMO PvP. You see this moronic child, who twinked his character as much as he could, completely raping someone not even worth killing, and dancing about it.
Frankly, I dont see the fun in this. Unless you have the mentality of a ten year old (meaning you are the one killing someone 10 levels lower than you and gloating about it) PvP just isnt fun in its current state.
As was also stated, FPS is where the real skill in PvP lies. It takes skill, not just money and levels. MMOFPS is the new realm for PvP players online. Planetside, and others coming like it, hold the true test of PvP prowess. You have to balance your skills and show how well you can manuevre.
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I love you people you ruin all of my fun. I just want a game that has fucking freedom but you don't.......majority of people don't....it's sad.
what youre saying is you want a game like Runescape, where you can run free and gank people, laugh at their low level corpses, and be king of the kiddies?
EDIT: It used to say "king of the children" but I thought "king of the kiddies" would help him recognize it a bit more. It would rhyme with his Dr. Seuss hes been reading lately
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No, when I say freedom I mean. Freedom for a guild to be able to take over a land and call it their own simply becaues they can kill anyone that tries to take it from them. I mean freedom to set up player cities that actually matter. The freedom to burn a player cities to the ground if you have the power to do so. Games that dont' take 4000 years to level a charactor just to attempt to gain better loot as end game content. I want a game were you know who your friends are because the first time u met them they didn't try to kill you. I want to be able to take everything someone has when they attack me and I kill them because that is just how it would be in real life. For your information I would be one of the people trying to save the people thta don't want to get ganked. I have actually made a ruleset for games like this that if one does make it to release, I will never attack someone unless they A. attack me first B. are part of an opposing guild C. attacking someone lower level just to be killing them d. have pk'ed a friend just for no reason.
I can't say for other persons.
But for me, COOPERATION is the driving aspect that bring me back hoping for a good MMO. COMPETITION is present but completely subjugated. I would group my main competitor anyday, even if it mean I can't bypass him. As long as I enjoy his presence, which might not be the case, see if I do better than someone on a precise aspect and that person is mean, it is possible I will refrain from grouping that person. Well, maybe not, I like to give tons of chances.
GROUPING in a PvE style is what bring me back. It can be challenging encounters, but if it is not, I will give myself artificial challenges to always do better (or to farm better like some would say). SOLO is very important, since if I doesn't find a FUN group, I need to be doing something, and doing second rated activities is not worth it...SOLOING as to be significant, relevant, nice...if only to make sure I remains online LFG. Grouping strangers is FUN. Competing with the rest of the server in a friendly and courteous manner is FUN, someone who is jealous nicely and obviously angry, yet honorable, is great fun and I will be extremely happy to group that person again and who know, maybe the next time I will be the jealous person when he does better than me...COOPERATION outmatch COMPETITION, yet...competition is there...and still very important...COOPERATION is the heart, the brain, the bones...while COMPETITION is the skin.
To fully goes PvP reverse that order and possibly completely remove cooperation...It is not for me. I want to group the "new toon" in town and to show him a few tricks...and eventually some of them will prolly show me back a few tricks!
Raiding put the competition above cooperation. I will curse at every simple flaw in it simply because, the system is inherantly flawed. If the best guilds would accept everyone, especially the weakest characters and players, then I will respect it. But to progress, the strongest guilds need to crush weak appliants and keep only the strong. Strangely enough, soloing is more COOPERATION than raiding. In my perception, a soloer can still position cooperation as more important than competition and be the best soloer and reach the Karma of soloers. "Elite Raiding" enforce competition before cooperation, on a server point of view...while "Elite Soloing" has actually no stance for or against cooperation and players can put cooperation as a priority.
I play MMOs for the COOPERATION aspect of them...yet the competition is also driving me...will always be driving me...but not in a bad way. PvP, by putting competion prior cooperation is automatically losing all my interest.
PS: Still must like the basics of the game, an action game, like DDO, is doomed to failure with me.
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I read your post. I guess I just wasn't too clear in my response. I consider fighting the monsters part of adventuring. Otherwise I'd just be running around in a non-threatening environment. Not much adventuring to that.
I have fun fighting the monsters. It's just like any other RPG game I guess. You fight some mobs, right?
Depends on the MMO, and the sort of combat system it has. Sure, of course I enjoy the PvE, if it's not too simplistic. I've enjoyed fighting bots in UT2004, too, though. I've even enjoyed single-player games, now and then, and you don't get any more carebear than that :P
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
People on these forums go gaga for PvP, denouncing PvE games as being inferior. All I have to say is, did you get to the level cap by only PvP'ing? Didn't think so. Denouncing PvE play is like eating food to survive and then saying it's useless.
I think the whole point is they would rather of eaten something else. What they don't seem to understand is that FFA PvPers make up such a small % of mmo gamers any company that tries to make a FFA MMO is pretty much saying we don't care if 95% of the player base wont touch our game we're going to risk hundreds of thousands on that 5% who will. And when they figure out that it's no fun when only wolves play the game and they have no sheep to slaughter they'll quit too.
Same goes for me. I also play RTS and Civ4 for PvP.
Button mashing third person MMO's don't make for very stimulating PvP in my opinion. The genre has very little to offer a PvP enviroment.
It's not so much the "MMO" that is the problem, but the "RPG". Role play games are about questing and leveling/skill advancing and exploring and learning the lore of the land. Killing your fellow player is just a distraction from this end.
Currently looking for that internet webcam beat em up game. That is going to be my PvP of choice for a little while. Time to reconnect with my inner kung fu. And Red Orchestra for my next shooter. http://www.redorchestragame.com/index.php?categoryid=3&p13_sectionid=3
With the exception of WWii online and Planetside, MMO's are truley uninspired PvP games.
If you have never gotten into the depths of pvp in a complex mmo then you can't say that it doesn't offer much. I know that having alot of experience in pvp makes a big difference when you fighting against someone that knows what's going on. If the game allows for it you have to have alot of knowledge of the combat system to be good at pvp. As far as twitch based skill no it's not as difficult as fps games...but pc fps games are alot easier than say HALO but I still see people playing PC fps. I know your going to flame that comment but don't bother I have to much proof on that subject.
I also refuse the believe that ffa pvp players only make up 5% of the community. I think it's a much larger audience than most of you forum blasters seem to think. In the beginning of UO there were tons of people that played the game and loved it. Then EA bought it and tried to bring in even more players by starting the trammel system and that screwed it up for the people that enjoyed the complex society structures within the ffa pvp server. I don't think alot of the anti-ffa pvp people understand that we aren't wanting a gank fest. We are wanting a game that will allow for this exact complex social enviroment. If you ask any vet UO player they will tell you that they weren't in the game to gank people. The people that wanted to gank people are the same type of person you see grinding there way through the WoW pvp ranking system.......so how small is that target audience?
Bah. The difference is similar to that between an RTS and a TBS: both require skills, just different ones. In an FPS, you need twitch and map information and a little bit of tactics. In an RPG you need more strategy than tactics, more resource-gathering than twitch and more build-information than map-information.