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Apparently 80% of the players stayed through the NGE.
Bob_Blawblaw
Member Posts: 1,278
So says Virrago.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=swggpdiscussion&message.id=580780#M580780
Why don't I believe him.
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While the poster was baiting, Virrago showed nothing but contempt in his reply. If I still could post to thier boards - I would have a go at him. He just admitted to seeing stats on a daily basis - that was a can of worms I am sure he will soon regret.
Edit coming...
I absolutely believe that SOE, SONY, or LA would say that.
After all .... they lied to us for almost 2 yrs ... why stop now?
The above mentioned companies and their representatives can say what ever they want. But if it walks like a duck, smells like a duck, and sounds like a duck ... well ... it must be a duck I guess.
They can preach whatever BS they want ... I'm not a kid. I know and have seen and experienced the truth. These people at SONY, SOE, and LA think if they keep preaching this BS some of it will stick and people will start believing what they are saying. Their comments are now made to cover their arses at this point.
Sago Mactow
Former SWG 2yr 7 month Vet
6/26/03 - 1/26/06
Jedi, Master Shipwright, Master Architect
DFR Councilman
Tarq Server
Here's whats really funny. The original post was about Torres's statement that 80% of the people that currently play are vets (taken right out of his producer's letter)
Virrago then comes in to lock the post, corrects the poster by saying "SWG has retained 80% of it's players through the NGE", so, in essence, corrects Mr Julio Torres himself since the quote was taken directly from him.
Kinda fishy that all the numbers over at SOE are 80%. Makes you wonder if the big "SWG Stats" ticker on the wall is stuck or needs new batteries.
Here's some double A's SOE, now tell us the truth.
The Millenium Lee
Viraggo is either lying or not understanding the PR spin Torres put on the numbers. And the way Viraggo ended that thread was certainly very childish and immature.
As it stands, it is generally agreed by the vets that Torres really said that 80% of current post-NGE subs were pre-NGE. That is much different than saying 80% of the vets stayed after the NGE; if this were true, then SOE would have been very, very, clear about boasting that number. Torres, if lying, could get SOE in trouble because SOE is part of Sony Pictures which is publically traded. That kind of lie would constitute a misleading of investors (don't forget, those Producers letters are not just about the player community, investors look for that kind of information to colloberate with financial reports).
Yeah, it was just a spin on numbers. 80% of the people playing are Vets. But to say that 80% of the Vets are still playing is ridiculous. Just look at the forums. Yeah, sure there is a vocal minority on the forums, but regardless its still a percentile number of the whole player base. Frankly in its current state, the game is all but dead.
It was clever marketing jargin, but thats it. SOE continues to prove itself an ass.
If that's not the funniest thing I have ever read on the suckboards, I don't know what is.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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What this doesnt look like a friendly guy? No way...
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=54319
Compensating?
If that's not the funniest thing I have ever read on the suckboards, I don't know what is.
I play on what has always been a busy server (Bloodfin) and I see maybe HALF (at best) the people that I did pre-NGE. He is clearly lying.
Pre-NGE they had 200K subs according to the press. No way there are still 160K left (that would be 80% of 200K). You can't get to 160K from only 10K concurrent logins.
The only way I can get at his number would be if they are counting:
1. People who download the trial, play, but never pay for a subscription.
2. Station Pass subscribers who once played SWG but don't now
There is no way there are 160K PAYING, ACTIVE SWG subscribers right now. No way.
Well #2 is definately possible.
One of the accountants told a friend of mine at the fanfair thing that there is NO WAY for them to tell which game an Access pass player is actually playing for, only the games licensed to that account.
So if someone owned SWG and used to play it, but now plays EQ2 exclusively.. they have no way to quantify it... so it counts for both.
Not that I think those numbers are overwhelming by any stretch.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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My personal opinion has always been they pad the numbers with Station Access subs regardless. Yes they do know if you have the software or not. Because even on Station Access the games you've never registered show up with a "add this game" by them until you have registered.
That said.. most of the people I knew who played SWG wouldn't play an EQ type game. There is benefits to being a station access subscriber in EQ2. You get extra chracter slots.. and free adventure packs.
To that end I think they've been using those station access subs to pad any game they want. Whether or not the owner has even registered the software.
There is a point in time where if you go back to interviews... They quote the same number for at least 3 possibly 4 different SOE games. That number was around 250,000. Which was why at that point I started to suspect this..
I guess in theory if they could prove those people had at one time registered the games then they could be considered as subscribing.
Last thing... if bloodfin you see half of what you used to consider yourself lucky to see that. There was a post on the SWG official forums last ngiht where a player claimed they see as many people as 2 years ago. So I went out at 6pm and 9pm pac time and took pictures at the star ports.
In Theed and Coronet there were 0 players. I found 8 players at Mos Eisley which all seemed to have come off the starter station recently. Except for one person with an "Elder" title was helping 2 of them.
Every other place I went was 0 players. On Mustafar I found 2 other people.
The later patrol I did the only people I saw at all were in Mos Eisley and it was just two "elder" titles hitting the launch terms to head into space. When I get bored I have been running around to see how many people I see its almost always dead on Starsider regardless of day or time of day/night. There will be a couple days here and there where I may see around 20 people in one area.
Just for reference just days before CU went live.. Going into most of these places resulted in so many blips on your radar window that it was a solid mass of color. There was more spam bots in theed than the players I see total on the server now.
They can and will be tracking what games players are playing on access and then they will know which one a player plays most. Ever see XFire and how it tracks games? Samething.
Kai
They can and will be tracking what games players are playing on access and then they will know which one a player plays most. Ever see XFire and how it tracks games? Samething.
Kai
Yea they know who is playing what and how often, they just dont like to say it. They would rather put everybody in the same bag and weigh it.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
They are counitng in All Access passes in the subscription base, since All Access include SWG.
That has nothing to do with SWG players.... Most of them I found in Planetside
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
Virrago said it again.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=swggpdiscussion&message.id=583990
You could take that a step farther because that 80% didn't include all their new "fans" that are supposedly playing now. So you could say he is saying their is the same or MORE players now then before.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
You could take that a step farther because that 80% didn't include all their new "fans" that are supposedly playing now. So you could say he is saying their is the same or MORE players now then before.
Which would lead us to believe that they are at 100% since Torres claimed 80% of the current playerbase are vets. Sure...
Ya, they have been doing that for some time. They even stated that even if the person has never registered SWG on their AAP they still count them.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
They have been questioned on this and stated publically ALL AAP members are counted as an active sub for SWG. So wether you actually register an SWG key or not, they count you for it.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
I bet they also count the free trials in their numbers as well. AOL does the samething.
Kai
They can and will be tracking what games players are playing on access and then they will know which one a player plays most. Ever see XFire and how it tracks games? Samething.
Kai
Yea they know who is playing what and how often, they just dont like to say it. They would rather put everybody in the same bag and weigh it.
That's not what their accountant told a friend I trust implicitly. If they are adding this functionality.. please show me a reference for it.
The direct statement was that they don't separate Access pass subscriptions by game... only that they can tell if they have activated that game. If you played EQ on the pass.. but moved to EQ2, your pass tells them you play both no matter when you last logged in. That came directly from an $OE accountant's mouth. If you activated a game on your access pass, and you continue to pay the access pass, your subscription is counted to ALL the game tallies in your profile no matter what you log into.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Compensating?
Well maybe 80% still pay 15$ a month to post on the forums and bitch about SWG , The other 20% cancelled and post here now .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
They can and will be tracking what games players are playing on access and then they will know which one a player plays most. Ever see XFire and how it tracks games? Samething.
Kai
Yea they know who is playing what and how often, they just dont like to say it. They would rather put everybody in the same bag and weigh it.
That's not what their accountant told a friend I trust implicitly. If they are adding this functionality.. please show me a reference for it.
The direct statement was that they don't separate Access pass subscriptions by game... only that they can tell if they have activated that game. If you played EQ on the pass.. but moved to EQ2, your pass tells them you play both no matter when you last logged in. That came directly from an $OE accountant's mouth. If you activated a game on your access pass, and you continue to pay the access pass, your subscription is counted to ALL the game tallies in your profile no matter what you log into.
Show me some evidence of this brothers nephews friends accountant of a swg employee or whatever's info and you got a deal.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett