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Fejimush
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I purchased EVE when it got such a high rating from its users here at mmorpg.com. I've been playing for two months and all I have really done is jump from star base to star base and do quests, raised my skills, got owned by a few pks and that's about it.
Needless to say I've gotten board. I'm certain that I am missing something because people really seem to be very enthusiastic about EVE.
Where did I go wrong and what did I miss?
I feel like when I got done with the tutorial and started doing quests that I got on this treadmill and now I don't know what to do. To make matters worse it looks like I can't use the newbie channel any more because I have been playing too long and the folks in the corp channel just blow of my questions.
Thanks,
Fej
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Alright, well first of all find a new player corp. that has some fiarly new players. Due to massive influx of new players to EVE it should not be a problem to find one. You can simply post in EVE forums, or ask around in game.
You are bored because you are just running missions man; which is the worst part of the game I might add. First of all try different things; missions are not the end of world. Get into a cruser and go out into .4 - .1 systems and kill some NPC pirates; be very careful and watch out for PC pirates; use map to check if a lot of people were killed in a system in the last hour that should give you an idea if the gate is camped or not.
When you join a corp. do some corp mining and see what you enjoy doing. EVE is a very open ended game it is a bit wierd because it doesnt hold you hand, but it just throws you in it. Ultimately it is all about community and your level of interaction in it.
Good luck!
Thanks Urza. Well that makes sense. Playing the worst part of the game was sucking the life out of me.
One question... How do I get the credits to buy a cruiser? I have a good frigate but the time I ventured out into a <0.5 space I got pk'ed right away by someone more powerful. I guessed that I needed to quest to make credits but it takes a long time that way and is quite tedious.
Is there a better way to earn credits to purcahse a cruiser without getting pk'ed? When I get pk'ed I can afford a new ship but not enough for the insurance, so I run out of credits really fast.
Thanks,
Fej
If you get yourself into a good player corp they will help you out with working towards your next class of ship. Many corps will have blueprints for these ships and will have cheaper prices for members (or if you provide the minerals they will build it for you). If you end up in a corp that isn't willing to give you a hand in this way, think carefully about whether you wish to stay with them or not.
One thing to be aware of is that the most common mistake in EVE is to try to advance too quickly. It doesn't take long to get the minimum skills to fly a cruiser, but you actually need a lot of supporting skills to fly it well. Once again, a good corp will help you with advice on things like this.
The other way you end up behind the 8-ball is to fly something you can only barely afford. If you can't comfortably afford to buy the ship, all the fittings and top-level insurance then you shouldn't be flying the ship. That way, if you get it shot out from under you, the insurance will cover most of your loss.
Urza's right when he says EVE doesn't tell you what to do, but that kind of freedom means you are not limited in what you do. Missions are one way to earn money, as is mining. You could be a builder of ships and equipment, or you could just try to scam people out of their money. You could be a pirate if you like PvP, or contact one of the 0.0 alliances and live out in lawless space. There's also money to be made in hauling equipment from place to place (but that's pretty dull too). There's even research - though that's completely luck based and not a good first job.
If you're creative you can even make something totally new. There are people making banks and loan companies, creating huge pacts and making a real mark on the in-game society.
EVE takes some effort to get going. That's probably what most people who try it and quit don't like. Most MMOs are designed to lead you through - EVE's a virtual world where you only get out what you put in. Good luck.
Well there are a lot of ways to do that, generally if you were doing a lot of missions you might have enough faction to move on to level 2 agents that will pay a bit better, so that is something you need to take a look at. Second is mining, find a good .5 system to mine it and go at it see if you like it. Another thing is belt jumping where you go from belt to belt and kill pirates that are in that belt and live off the rewards. Please note that pirates that are in regular space drop a lot better loot and are worth a bit more then pirates in your deadspace missions.
Reguarding PvP; if it is your first time and you just want to go see .5- systems, dont fly anything bigger then a frigate. The idea is never go out into .5- (unless you know what you are doing) with more then you can afford to loose. So if you want to explore get a rookie frig for 30k or 40k or even a shuttle and go at it! Look out for bottleneck systems (that is where pirates will usually camp the gates), when you enter the system and there are like 10 ppl in it, check out their profiles and see if any one of them is with a negative security standing (which would mean he is most likely a pirate). Overall if you are in .5- and just jumping from belt to belt you should be pritty safe as long as you dont stay in one spot for too long. Just keep your eyes on the local and be ready to warp out any time.
But like I said in my previous post, find a good player corp that has same play time as you do and stick to them. It THE BEST advice I can give you.
Good luck!
The problem with putting so much responsibility for making the game fun in the hands of players, is that there is no rule that players will take this responsibility seriously.
Everyone here has given Fej the same advice: go find a player corp.
And that would be great, except player corps are not obligated to take Fej. And because player corps can afford to be picky, EVE is going to suffer from too many players getting frustrated, and leaving. Turnover rate is high in EVE. Its because its all well and good if the player is lucky enough to find a few friends willing to take a chance on them early. But there are many who really never get that chance until much later.
Corps in general are getting more and more strict. Even the entry level corps are starting to demand the players get on TeamSpeak or Vent as a condition of membership. They demand screenshots of the character page. They demand a certain level of skills. They reject any and all alts. They do this because it is so easy to scam a corp, they don't want to even entertain the possibility of that happening. I can't blame them, but what I can blame is CCP for not giving players who aren't in player corps more things to do.
So I guess if you are an alt, or you refuse to get on TS/Vent, or refuse to take screenshots, or register on some independent forums with an E-Mail address and your IP logged, you may not be able to enjoy EVE in the way it was apparently meant to be played. Its the problem when guilds or player organizations take too prominent a role in gameplay. Players tend to ask too much when it is their organization that is asked to reach out and help.
What I think is telling is that I hear the same advice in games like EVE: go join a player guild/corp/clan/etc. The problem is, its always someone else's guild/corp/clan/etc. you should join. It is never our corporations who have to make player content work. Its always the "other guy's corp," who will take these people.
What if there is no "other guy" to take Fej?
The fact that he isn't already in a player corp is telling. Yeah, I've heard it before, "we don't want to take trial accounts/alts/non-mic'ed, etc." The problem is, if we don't, and if everyone else don't, who will? And this wouldn't be so bad if there was just more a subscriber who isn't in a player corporation could do.
Look, if we had our choice, we would all want the guy with 5 million skill points, a DSL or Broadband connection, in the time zone we needed him or her, hooked up to the same voice software we love, with a clean character sheet we know about, big in the killboards, a big contact and positive security rating sheet, experienced in PvP and PvE, with a ton of ISK and commodities to bring to us.
The problem is, that ain't the guy who needs a corp as much as the guy on day four.
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"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Beatnik, I had a bunch of my friends joining in the game and all of them went for finding their newby corps on their own. No one had a problem. Aside from that there are dozens of posts on forums of corporations seeking new people; and in a lot of cases they specifically say that newbies are welcome. I can see your point, becomming possible of EVE player base was 300 - 400k people but it is not so it is not an actual problem of finding a decent corp. Sure you might have shop around for a day or two, but it is not a big problem.
Finding a player corp in Eve is not hard.
You see, corps need players to have success. Finding more players is a constant requirement for most ambitious corps in Eve. So unless you are still on your trial (and then there's specialist corps taking on trial players for education), or unless you exhibit overt anti-social or unproductive traits, you should be able to find a decent corp in no time.
The corps that are ahrd to get into are the extremely succesfull ones. The guys with hte tech2 BPO's and claimed 0.0 space. The rest ? not at all.
Secondly, Eve's turnover rate isn't high, but rather low actually. It may have risen somewhat during the last year since we get more 'general' MMO players now as opposed to those that chose Eve for it's specific traits early on. There'll be a difference in that respect, but other then that player that stick around tend to staick around for extremely long periods in Eve.
Great post beatnek, you've got that down for most of the oersized corps in low sec space. 'Newbie' friendly player corps are everywhere in hig sec space, and most of them are connected directly or loosely to low sec corps. Not all, actually very few Corps I came across when I decided to join a corp wanted TS/Vent, and I only looked on the forums to find that out. Took 3 applications and bam I was in one. TS/Vent shouldn't be a problem for players nowadays. Most if not all of the upcomming MMO's have Voip in them in some way. So most players will have mic's anyway.
I lost my point, started this and got distracted....
Newer player friendly corps are everywhere, just you have to look for them yourself
"Just because there are other colours to use in chat does not mean you have to use them..." - Please follow
Getting voice isn't a problem if you want to get on voice.
But having voice isn't a requirement of many MMOs. Many either choose not to do it, or cannot do it. There are reasons for not wanting it, and I'm not even suggesting that player corps should have to honor those reasons.
But I do think that players who use it need to understand that its not a small, inconsequential issue. Its a big issue that divides players in MMOs, and will only get bigger.
I admit, the corp situation may not be as bad as I made it sound. There are almost as many corps as there are players to be a part of them, and its a relatively simple matter to start one's own corp.
But this doesn't mean it doesn't have the potential to be a problem, and I think it gets worse when there are more players than many corps even could use. Because as long as players can afford to be picky with their membership, they will. And I don't fault them for this, as much as I fault CCP for not giving solo players more of a game.
Giving solo players more of a game helps everyone, and doesn't take away from private gaming clubs/corps.
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"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE